Do you believe in UFOs & flying saucers ?

Only heard about this case recently. Must be the biggest mass sighting case in Europe. Hovering above a stadium of 10k people in 1954.

https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-29342407

I believe in intelligent life elsewhere in the universe, but I don't believe they've come anywhere near us.

I read this, very good & interesting, multiple witnesses.


https://www.booktopia.com.au/the-zanfretta-case-rino-di-stefano/book/9781505650099.html





In the night between Wednesday 6 and Thursday 7 of December 1978, the security guard Pier Fortunato Zanfretta of the Institute of Private Security Val Bisagno in Genoa, Italy, was found in a state of shock and terror-stricken near the country house Casa Nostra (Our House) placed in Marzano of Torriglia, a village up in the hills of Genoa.


When he woke up, Zanfretta told shaking that he saw "a very big alien, three meters (118.11 inches) tall, with a fat and corrugated gray skin, like it was a flabby suit," who few minutes later fly away "aboard a giant bright light triangular shaped, with small little lights of different colors in the upper side." During regressive hypnosis, the night adventure was borne out by the man, and he told was dragged inside the "spaceship" where four monstrous aliens examined him in great details. An investigation by Carabinieri, the Italian military police, verified that 52 people saw a very big flying bright saucer at that time in the Torriglia sky.



Besides, in the meadow where the others' security guards found Zanfretta, Carabinieri found out a three meters mark, horseshoe shaped. The people were still thinking to that mysterious encounter of the third kind, that twenty days later it happened again. This time Carabinieri found out footprints 50 centimeters long (19.69 inches) near the security guard's car. The Zanfretta case was just beginning.

There’s supposed to be a big announcement coming in the New York Times this week about the US government being in possession of material/wreckage from a UFO. We’ll wait and see.

Anyway another interesting case here from Canada in 1996.

https://youtu.be/Rx5YprfueAQ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fermi_paradox

The Universe is so vast one would imagine life exists elsewhere. However that vastness also means we will never bump into another intelligent life form. Even travelling at the speed of light, it would take between 100 and 160 thousand years to cross the Milky Way.

unhappys10 wrote: »

You'd hope a civilisation that advanced would be a bit more enlightened.

The thinking being that if they weren't they would never have made it to the level they would need to be at to travel here due to wiping each other out!

Well maybe but they might have wiped out the opposition and went from there. Or they are so advanced they might look upon us as insects.

Rhys Essien wrote: »

There’s supposed to be a big announcement coming in the New York Times this week about the US government being in possession of material/wreckage from a UFO. We’ll wait and see.

Did it ever appear?

Who said it was coming? The NYT themselves? Or a crank on the internet?

ilovemuffin wrote: »

I've seen a UFO that didn't seem to be a drone (which are all the rage now and everyone and their aunt has a drone of some form now).

And no it was not one of those Chinese skylanterns with the fire in the middle that makes it rise either. This was different in that it performed maneuvers that would be otherwise impossible with a plane, as moving like that would damage the plane.

It performed perfect 45 degree turns without slowing down and doing a curve to turn, like a plane would. In order to do a perfect 45 degree turn you need to slow down, and approach the turn slowly in a curve. This was my proof that some entity has mastered flight and can fly much better than conventional aircraft. Not necessarily saying it's aliens or some sentient beings, but it freaked me the f​uck out

Where you see this ?

nthclare wrote: »

Myself and my son seen near one Doolough Co Clare, myself and my son just stood there watching this thing,and it wasn't a drone.
My lads very easy going,and nonchalantly said sure dad who's going to believe us, but we're both looking at it.

Sure some scientist like Richard Dawkins the Pope of the Atheists would suggest that we were under some delusion which was triggered by the sun and athmospheics, along with staring at the one object for too long.
A bit like his anology about the dancing sun in his book The God delusion.

It was a dull October's evening and it has an odd round but abstract shape to it.

Supposedly some people are more observant of what's going on around them than others and can see shapes and movements that others can't see because they're they're not creative and able to cognitively work out certain shape's and movements.

I'm not talking about Jesus on toast or the Co Limerick Virgin Mary stumps etc

I know you from your other posts, nthclare, in farming forum, your an outdoors man. Same as myself, born on a farm, stuck in offices but at home when I'm streamwalking or stargazing. As you say, some people are highly observant. And when they tell people in their private circle things, they get taken seriously. But UFOs smashes the strongest credibility! It's a gas thing. Just how it is.

nthclare wrote: »

Myself and my son seen near one Doolough Co Clare, myself and my son just stood there watching this thing,and it wasn't a drone.
My lads very easy going,and nonchalantly said sure dad who's going to believe us, but we're both looking at it.

Sure some scientist like Richard Dawkins the Pope of the Atheists would suggest that we were under some delusion which was triggered by the sun and athmospheics, along with staring at the one object for too long.
A bit like his anology about the dancing sun in his book The God delusion.

It was a dull October's evening and it has an odd round but abstract shape to it.

Supposedly some people are more observant of what's going on around them than others and can see shapes and movements that others can't see because they're they're not creative and able to cognitively work out certain shape's and movements.

I'm not talking about Jesus on toast or the Co Limerick Virgin Mary stumps etc

Very interesting. How did you feel in the moment you witnessed it?

I remember my experience it all feeling a bit surreal. I was calm yet nervous as hell. I actually had to look away because I said to myself that a beam of light is going to come down from this thing any minute and I'm going to be abducted.

As someone mentioned that you're a farmer, I recommend watching this case from Canada in 1974 about farmer Edwin Fuhr. All I'll say is I believe him.

Butson wrote: »

I always find it interesting when people who believe in God snigger at those who say they believe in, or have seen, a UFO.

So many people have seen these things, going back hundreds of years, that they cant all be making it up / bat**** crazy.

I always think that J Allen Hynek is a good example. He was asked to run the Project Bluebook programme for the US Air Force in the 50s and 60s. At first he was insulted to be asked, given he was a leading Astronomer at the time, and after some convincing went into it a total skeptic. Came out the other side a total believer.

The Cometa Report by the French government in the 80s is worth a read too. Conclusion - they are not ours, its a serious subject that needs to be taken as such by governments and scientists.

I suppose there’s so many people going around with a one track mind they don’t even have time to think about the subject. It’s definitely a real phenomenon.

What’s your take on it, time travelers, inter-dimensional beings or something else?