JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

Cheerful Spring2 · 06-08-2020 5:26pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

in the picture you posted of JFK in the limo on the day he was assassinated there was clearly no privacy glass installed. The glass is comprised of two panes with a line in the middle where the panes overlap. that overlap is not there on the day of the assassination. who asked for it to be removed is irrelevant. it isn't there. any theories you propose that assume that the glass is there are nonsense from the off.

It actually is relevant because the conspiracy involves a host of players. Many believe the murder was an inside job so stripping down the car might be a factor here. Removing the privacy glass for what reason? I understand removing the bubble top but removing the glass serves no purpose for the trip.

The Nal · 06-08-2020 6:12pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

in the picture you posted of JFK in the limo on the day he was assassinated there was clearly no privacy glass installed. The glass is comprised of two panes with a line in the middle where the panes overlap. that overlap is not there on the day of the assassination. who asked for it to be removed is irrelevant. it isn't there. any theories you propose that assume that the glass is there are nonsense from the off.

Indeed. Anyway, leaving the bubble top wouldn't have meant he was protected, it wasn't bulletproof. It was plexiglass. And the middle part wouldnt have stopped a bullet either.

When JFK got the car in 61 he gave a standing order saying if its not raining, no bubble top. Standard procedure.

Heres the car and the options to strip it. Simply put, no rain, no glass.

As was the case in sunny Florida 4 days earlier.

But not the case in rainy Washington

ohnonotgmail · 06-08-2020 7:25pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It actually is relevant because the conspiracy involves a host of players. Many believe the murder was an inside job so stripping down the car might be a factor here. Removing the privacy glass for what reason? I understand removing the bubble top but removing the glass serves no purpose for the trip.

until you can show that removing the privacy glass made a material difference to what happened then it is irrelevant. The simplest explanation is that the privacy glass was removed when the top was removed because privacy glass in an open top car is redundant.

Overheal · 06-08-2020 11:31pm

Either way it likely wasn’t removed so much as lowered.

The Nal · 07-08-2020 9:47am

Whatever way you look at it, the below is yet another lie and a waste of everyone's time. Again.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Fundamental problem with that theory is, there is a glass partition in the middle seat of the car. You can even see this on the first photograph i posted. The crack seems to have got caused by an impact from the front ( window outside the driver seated position)

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-08-2020 10:06am

The Nal wrote: »

Whatever way you look at it, the below is yet another lie and a waste of everyone's time. Again.

Come on, this is the guy who claimed a huge mirror was clearly visible in the rubble of 9-11 so obviously he can see the glass in the car :pac:

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 1:11pm

The Nal wrote: »

Whatever way you look at it, the below is yet another lie and a waste of everyone's time. Again.

The crack is on the driver's window, so is not a waste of time. Privacy glass in the middle there or not makes no difference here to the original stated claim a bullet hit the front window.

Far as we know Connelly wrist and thigh was not missing a piece of bone that lead to the cracking of the front window.

Fragment of a bullet? We have only one magic bullet here so that means more fragments of that bullet had to impact the window glass.

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 1:19pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Come on, this is the guy who claimed a huge mirror was clearly visible in the rubble of 9-11 so obviously he can see the glass in the car :pac:

I not the guy proposing this one bullet here injured and maimed two men and cracked the car window. If you believe there was no second shooter, you believe this bullet did all this damage to tissue and bone in both men.

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 1:37pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Come on, this is the guy who claimed a huge mirror was clearly visible in the rubble of 9-11 so obviously he can see the glass in the car :pac:

That I could see it was reflection of some sort and you guys couldn't that's true.

Firemen body shape in the picture matches the odd things out in the picture. It odd camera/photo processing problem or some odd reflection occurring here.

Fireman in red is holding something in his hand that matches the image between the pillars of steel.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-08-2020 2:00pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

That I could see it was reflection of some sort and you guys couldn't that's true.

Firemen body shape in the picture matches the odd things out in the picture. It odd camera/photo processing problem or some odd reflection occurring here.

Fireman in red is holding something in his hand that matches the image between the pillars of steel.

Yeahhhhh we did that to death in the relevant thread, if you want to go down that rabbit hole again then post it in that thread instead of derailing this one.

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 2:09pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Yeahhhhh we did that to death in the relevant thread, if you want to go down that rabbit hole again then post it in that thread instead of derailing this one.

Funny man when you are the one who tried to derail this thread bringing up 9/11 and the mirror/ reflection. I made no mention of 9/11 until you tried to use is as tactic here.

Timberrrrrrrr · 07-08-2020 2:13pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Funny man when you are the one who tried to derail this thread bringing up 9/11 and the mirror/ reflection. I made no mention of 9/11 until you tried to use is as tactic here.

I bought that up as an example of how you choose to see what you want to see, you will make all sorts of ridiculous claims to make something suit your agenda.

Glad you posted the picture though, it shows others what I meant

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 2:19pm

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

I bought that up as an example of how you choose to see what you want to see, you will make all sorts of ridiculous claims to make something suit your agenda.

Least you admit you raised an off topic point here first.

Back to JFK.

Don't you guys often make ridiculous claims about the magic bullet? Why does Gov Connelly own doctor scoff at the one bullet theory? He's a medical doctor with expertise and he says one bullet could not have caused the injuries seen that day? What your expert opinion with medical matters.? Why does Dr Shaw support the JFK conspiracy theory?

Dohnjoe · 07-08-2020 2:42pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Why does Dr Shaw support the JFK conspiracy theory?

What conspiracy theory?

This entire thread, like all others, is just an endless effort to attack the facts and cast doubt on the event whilst vaguely hinting at some wispy conspiracy that strangely never gets subjected to the same scrutiny, or even detailed.

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 2:45pm

Nal of course will downplay this but Oswald last job before the Texas Book Depository was him working for the Reilly Coffee company. Diligent investigators have discovered it was a CIA front least back then in the 60s.

Owned by William B. Reily, a financial supporter of the CIA-sponsored Cuban Revolutionary Council. A CIA memo dated January 31, 1964, that has since been declassified states "[Reily's] firm was of interest as of April 1949." CIA contractor Gerry Patrick Hemming also confirmed Reily's coordination with the CIA in a 1968 interview with the New Orleans District Attorney's Office, which "confirmed that William Reily had worked for the CIA for years." Reily's company was located close to the New Orleans offices of the CIA, FBI, Secret Service, and Office of Naval Intelligence (ONI).

http://www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald_and_the_cia.htm

Ruth Paine who got Oswald the job at the Texas book Depository, her history is interesting, the records have not come to light that show her Father, sister and sister law all worked for the CIA. Ruth Paine husband worked for a Aerospace Defense contractor

Every aspect of Oswald life after returning from the Soviet Union has him meeting and friending people who had intelligence ties.

Overheal · 07-08-2020 2:48pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What conspiracy theory?

This entire thread, like all others, is just an endless effort to attack the facts and cast doubt on the event whilst vaguely hinting at some wispy conspiracy that strangely never gets subjected to the same scrutiny, or even detailed.

What does metabunk say about JFK, or are they actually just like 'there is something here'

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 2:59pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

What conspiracy theory?

Dr Shaw spoke on video that Connelly rib injuries alone would have damaged the bullet. He says the bullet ripped out 10cm of the 5th rib it drove fragments into his chest. Left the chest and then struck the radius bone in his wrist. Then some small fragments of the bullet entered his thigh.

Dr Shaws says there was too much bone damage and tissue damage here for this to be caused by the magic bullet he saw in the FBI archive.

Dohnjoe · 07-08-2020 3:00pm

Overheal wrote: »

What does metabunk say about JFK, or are they actually just like 'there is something here'

I don't know, maybe Nal knows what the current "strongest" alternative theory is. But I have asked Cheerful before, and the list of characters in their theory is longer than the Onion's

Dohnjoe · 07-08-2020 3:01pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Dr Shaw spoke on video that Connelly rib injuries alone would have damaged the bullet. He says the bullet ripped out 10cm of the 5th rib it drove fragments into his chest. Left the chest and then struck the radius bone in his wrist. Then some small fragments of the bullet entered his thigh.

Dr Shaws says there was too much bone damage and tissue damage here for this to be caused by the magic bullet he saw in the FBI archive.

Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question in the slightest

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 3:06pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question in the slightest

It does answer it. Dr Shaw's opinion the bullet in the FBI archive is not the bullet that maimed Connelly in Dallas.

The bullet in the archive supposedly if you believe the official account inflicted
all injuries to both Kennedy and Connelly in the car that day?

Dohnjoe · 07-08-2020 3:14pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

It does answer it.

It doesn't answer my question

You wrote:

Why does Dr Shaw support the JFK conspiracy theory?

My question was, what is the JFK conspiracy theory?

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 3:25pm

Dohnjoe wrote: »

It doesn't answer my question

You wrote:

My question was, what is the JFK conspiracy theory?

What is this always difficult for you? Gov Connelly Doctor at Parkland Hospital believes the bullet in the FBI archive is not the bullet that caused these injuries.

Where the real bullet? Who planted the fake bullet later? How many bullets were fired that day at the car and was covered up?

The Nal · 07-08-2020 3:38pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nal of course will downplay this but Oswald last job before the Texas Book Depository was him working for the Reilly Coffee company. Diligent investigators have discovered it was a CIA front least back then in the 60s.

http://www.whokilledjfk.net/oswald_and_the_cia.htm

Ruth Paine who got Oswald the job at the Texas book Depository, her history is interesting, the records have not come to light that show her Father, sister and sister law all worked for the CIA. Ruth Paine husband worked for a Aerospace Defense contractor

Every aspect of Oswald life after returning from the Soviet Union has him meeting and friending people who had intelligence ties.

From your link. "Oswald also worked in the office of a detective and former FBI agent named Guy Banister."

Thats a lie.

The article also mentions "New Orleans District Attorney's Office" but dances around who it really was - Jim Garrison and doesn't mention him once because even the wildest conspiracy theorists know hes a joke.

Nonsense.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The crack is on the driver's window, so is not a waste of time. Privacy glass in the middle there or not makes no difference here to the original stated claim a bullet hit the front window.

You claimed that it was impossible for the crack to have been caused from JFKs head/bullet as there was glass in the middle of the car.

There was no glass in the middle of the car. You were 100% wrong. You either posted without checking or, what I suspect, you lied on purpose hoping no one would notice.

As for a waste of time, I meant your posts are a waste of time.

Dohnjoe wrote: »

Thanks, but that doesn't answer my question in the slightest

lol. I had to re read your question and Cheerfuls answer twice to see if I missed something but nope. Irrelevant off point general waffle yet again.

Dohnjoe · 07-08-2020 3:46pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

What is this always difficult for you? Gov Connelly Doctor at Parkland Hospital believes the bullet in the FBI archive is not the bullet that caused these injuries.

Cool, he doubts it. People and experts can doubt stuff, and they can also be wrong. You can go to one doctor receive diagnosis X and go to an entirely different doctor and receive diagnosis Y. As always what matters is the consensus, not the individual.

However you are claiming this doctor believes in a conspiracy theory, okay, which one?

And while we're on this, why do you have a habit of scrutinizing every tiny detail of the main theory, but never of the so-called conspiracy theories?

Once again, we're back in the land of mental Narnia, where you attack endlessly attack the facts of some historical event in order to hint at some vague theory you haven't the slightest bit of interest in detailing. That's not an interest in the truth, that's an interest in perpetual denial

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 3:51pm

The Nal wrote: »

From your link. "Oswald also worked in the office of a detective and former FBI agent named Guy Banister."

Thats a lie.

The article also mentions "New Orleans District Attorney's Office" but dances around who it really was - Jim Garrison and doesn't mention him once because even the wildest conspiracy theorists know hes a joke.

Nonsense.

lol. I had to re read your question and Cheerfuls answer twice to see if I missed something but nope.

False, Garrison court trial collapsed when David Ferrie died. He was a key witness for the trial coming up linking Oswald to Guy Banister and Clay Shaw. Clay Shaw also lied under Oath he no association with the CIA and therefore Garrison could not prove the CIA/ Cuban conspiracy in court.

We now have today- clear evidence Clay Shaw was an asset of the CIA.

In 1996, the CIA revealed that Shaw had obtained a "five Agency" clearance in 1949

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Shaw

Multiple eyewitnesses saw Oswald in Guy Banister's office, but the Warren commission was not interested in that. Oswald pro Castro/ Cuban leaflets all stamped inside the same building where Guy had an office at was never investigated.

Cheerful Spring2 · 07-08-2020 4:01pm

Debunkers for years ridiculed the JFK community David Ferrie and Oswald never knew each other. Later a picture emerged showing Ferrie and Oswald in the same photograph.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-fbi-knew-about-david-ferrie-on-11-22-63

The Nal · 08-08-2020 9:35am

Dohnjoe wrote: »

I don't know, maybe Nal knows what the current "strongest" alternative theory is.

There isn't one really. Take your pick between the mob, CIA, Russia, Cuba et al but theres no evidence for any of them. 57 years later and not a jot of anyone but Oswald.

patsman07 · 08-08-2020 12:27pm

Cheerful Spring, just to take you up on your point about the magic bullet from the other thread.

I agree that the 'pristine' bullet is suspicious and seems unlikely, but unlikely events happen all the time. For the magic bullet theory to be incorrect you have to account for where the bullet that exited Kennedy's throat went? it had to have hit something in the car surely?

The Nal · 08-08-2020 12:33pm

patsman07 wrote: »

Cheerful Spring, just to take you up on your point about the magic bullet from the other thread.

I agree that the 'pristine' bullet is suspicious and seems unlikely, but unlikely events happen all the time. For the magic bullet theory to be incorrect you have to account for where the bullet that exited Kennedy's throat went? it had to have hit something in the car surely?

There is a theory that the throat wound is an entrance wound. Again though, no evidence for it.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-08-2020 2:38pm

patsman07 wrote: »

Cheerful Spring, just to take you up on your point about the magic bullet from the other thread.

I agree that the 'pristine' bullet is suspicious and seems unlikely, but unlikely events happen all the time. For the magic bullet theory to be incorrect you have to account for where the bullet that exited Kennedy's throat went? it had to have hit something in the car surely?

There is enough evidence now available, the conspiracy people are right and someone was touching Kennedy body before the Bethesda autopsy.

The official account says Kennedy body was wrapped up in just White Sheets at Parkland Hospital and placed in an expensive bronze casket and nobody according to the official account opened the casket till it's arrival at Bethesda.

In 2018 Richard Lipsey revealed something interesting during an interview that must people never caught.

Background

He was in charge of all the ceremonial duties of Washington, which included state funerals. When the president was assassinated, he was in charge of the funeral.

https://www.225batonrouge.com/our-city/richard-lipsey-recalls-present-president-john-f-kennedys-autopsy

Revealed in his interview here Kennedy was in a body bag when removed from the casket!! Where was the body switched from White sheets to a body bag? The body bag is not part of the official narrative, it something the JFK conspiracy people have written about happened though and confirmed by other people who worked at Bethesda they too saw Kennedy in a body bag. Debunkers have dismissed this as nonsense Kennedy was in a body bag.

If someone was messing with the body, bullet fragments are missing and wound tampering maybe have occurred here to hide direct evidence of a second shooter.

The Nal · 08-08-2020 3:27pm

lol

Yet again, not even close to answering the question.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-08-2020 9:38pm

The Nal wrote: »

lol

Yet again, not even close to answering the question.

The conspiracy has been answered. You just prefer to believe the official version and any doctor, nurses and physicians who dispute the official version are lying or wrong in their opinion.

Dr Shaw is a respected doctor he operated on Gov Connelly and he says the bullet in the archive could not have caused those wounds. His not a conspiracy nut, he says this based on what he saw on that day..

Why are are all these people working at Bethesda and there for the autopsy claiming Kennedy body was in a body bag? You know damn well Nal the official story Kennedy was wrapped in white sheets when he left Parkland Hospital and was then placed in the casket.

Body bag means Kennedy was taken out of the casket after it left Parkland

I don't think Richard Lipsey understands why he just said in that video. The official version is Kennedy was still in white sheets when he was removed from the bronze casket at Bethesda . Richard Lipsey says no he arrived in a body bag inside a casket? Who was in the casket with Jackie?

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-08-2020 9:55pm

The Nal wrote: »

There isn't one really. Take your pick between the mob, CIA, Russia, Cuba et al but theres no evidence for any of them. 57 years later and not a jot of anyone but Oswald.

Witnesses saw men with guns in the stockyard. There are just no clear photographs of the men to identify them. Debunkers just ignore these witness sightings and people in the area smelling gunpowder on the street. Warren Commission also ignores dozens of people heard shots coming from the stockyard fence. Nobody ran to TSBD they ran up to the hill to the fence to catch the shooter. Debunkers ignore a man with a fake badge was up there before the shooting. The motorcycle cop he said it was a secret service badge and left the man go and to be never heard from again. The white house confirmed they had no secret service agents guarding the fence that day.

Cheerful Spring2 · 08-08-2020 10:12pm

Some of these details are known to most people when you have not studied the JFK conspiracy, but it shows someone was following Oswald and impersonating him months before the assassination.

Good write up here.

The CIA advised that on October 1, 1963, an extremely sensitive source had reported that an individual identified himself as Lee Oswald, who contacted the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City inquiring as to any messages. Special Agents of this Bureau, who have conversed with Oswald in Dallas, Texas, have observed photographs of the individual referred to above, and have listened to a recording of his voice. These special agents are of the opinion that the above-referred-to individual was not Lee Harvey Oswald."

The paragraph shown above comes from an FBI memo sent to both the White House and the Secret Service on November 23, 1963, the day after President Kennedy's assassination. It was a follow-up to a phone call at 10:01 AM, in which Director Hoover informed Lyndon Johnson of the same fact. Lee Harvey Oswald, the alleged assassin of Kennedy held in police custody in Dallas, had been impersonated in phone calls to the Soviet Embassy in Mexico City.

An otherwise inexplicable impersonation episode takes on an entirely new meaning in this light. The calls from the Oswald impersonator made it appear that Oswald was a hired killer, hired by the Soviet Union no less.

Perhaps the perfect plan was foiled by the fact that Oswald was captured, allowing the FBI to interrogate him and compare his voice to the tapes of these tapped phone calls, which were apparently flown up from the CIA's Mexico City Station on the evening of November 22. In any case, what should have been a hot lead to sophisticated conspirators was instead quickly buried—by November 25, FBI memos made no more mention of tapes, only transcripts. The CIA has maintained to this day that the tapes were routinely recycled prior to the assassination, and no tapes were ever sent. But the evidence that the tapes did exist and were listened to is now overwhelming, and includes several FBI memos, a call from Hoover to LBJ which appears to have been suspiciously erased, and even the word of two Warren Commission staffers who say they listened to the tapes during their visit to Mexico City in April 1964!

https://www.history-matters.com/frameup.htm

Personally i believe Oswald likely visited Mexico, but someone was trying to impersonating him before Dallas and for what reason i guess will never be known? People do speculate about it. Not hearing from the impersonator the person pretending to Oswald, you will never have the the full picture of events.

The Nal · 09-08-2020 11:53am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nobody ran to TSBD they ran up to the hill to the fence to catch the shooter.

This is the sort of nonsense Im referring to.

I just couldnt be bothered with you.

patsman07 · 09-08-2020 12:22pm

A policeman ran up the steps of the Depository building with his gun drawn.

Cheerful Spring, when do you suppose the body was tampered with? Having left Parkland hospital the coffin was accompanied by Dave Powers, Mrs Kennedy, Kenny O'Donnell etc. As far as I remember, the only time Mrs Kennedy left the coffin was for Johnson's swearing in on the plane.

Cheerful Spring2 · 13-08-2020 5:49pm

patsman07 wrote: »

Cheerful Spring, when do you suppose the body was tampered with? Having left Parkland hospital the coffin was accompanied by Dave Powers, Mrs Kennedy, Kenny O'Donnell etc. As far as I remember, the only time Mrs Kennedy left the coffin was for Johnson's swearing in on the plane.

Richard Lipsey's story he told the HSCA was- two vehicles were waiting at Andrews airforce base for Air Force one to arrive. One of the vehicles was a black hearse and another grey ambulance hearse was also waiting.

Kennedy's body got taken to the rear of Bethesda Naval Hospital and was unloaded from the back of the black hearse and taken there to the morgue.The body arrived after 6.30pm. Jackie i believe arrived at the front of the hospital at 7pm with the bronze casket in the back of the grey ambulance.

According to Lipsey the grey ambulance with Jackie in it, was a decoy to throw off the news media and the waiting crowds who had gathered out front.

When did the switch from the bronze casket to the different casket occur I not sure? Lipsey doesn't say in his HSCA testimony.

It likely happened sometime after the body got rolled out of Parkland, or inside the hospital- maybe the switch happened there? Or the drive between Parkland and Love field? Less likely onboard the plane but you can't rule out anything here!

After Kennedy was pronounced death, the doctors left the room, and some people started preparing the body to be taken away and we know a scuffle happened inside the room and in hallways at Parkland. The secret service and others would not allow an medical autopsy to happen there in Dallas. If you're conspiracy minded you can assume the wanted the body out of there as soon as possible to carry out medical procedures for the cover up?

The best evidence for wound tampering later is the Parkland doctors stories . According to the doctors in the room that day Kennedy rear side of the head was missing. There was a massive gaping wound in the back of the head behind the right ear.

On the Zapruder film , there no gunshot wound that resembles anything the doctors described here in books and on film and video.

BloodBath · 13-08-2020 5:54pm

The Nal wrote: »

This is the sort of nonsense Im referring to.

I just couldnt be bothered with you.

Yet you keep coming back for more. You're no better either.

The Nal wrote: »

There isn't one really. Take your pick between the mob, CIA, Russia, Cuba et al but theres no evidence for any of them. 57 years later and not a jot of anyone but Oswald.

Plenty of evidence for it but like anything that proves conspiracy you choose to ignore it.

Cheerful Spring2 · 13-08-2020 6:08pm

The Nal wrote: »

This is the sort of nonsense Im referring to.

I just couldnt be bothered with you.

The presumed last shot that hit Kennedy in the head many on the day felt that bullet came from a rifle position at the grassy knoll/stockyard. Everyone on the side streets and grass next to the car, seconds later, ran up the hill to catch the shooter there.

Debunkers just assume there was no second shooter there to catch

We know though there was a guy in a suit up there flashing a badge to people and flashed it again when he got stopped by a Dallas motorcycle cop. The man was an imposter and was likely a spotter/watcher to allow the second gunman to take off.

What nonsense a bullet could even be found on a stretcher in that state and how it got there make zero sense too.. Connelly was taken to Trauma room 2 on a stretcher, his clothes got taken off with doctors and nurses in the room,. They changed the sheets, later to new whites and placed the fresh sheeted stretcher to the hallway and yet somehow in all this the bullet was not spotted here? Make no sense.

The Nal · 14-08-2020 9:36am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Everyone on the side streets and grass next to the car, seconds later, ran up the hill to catch the shooter there.

Again...... lies.

Everyone really? Marilyn Sitzman ran to the fence did she?

BloodBath wrote: »

Yet you keep coming back for more. You're no better either.

Please point out where Ive posted blatant lies. Will happily address them.

BloodBath wrote: »

Plenty of evidence for it but like anything that proves conspiracy you choose to ignore it.

Again, please share evidence that proves a conspiracy. Id love if this was a conspiracy. Ive no skin in the game and believe in loads of conspiracies myself.

The Nal · 14-11-2020 2:18pm

Looking forward to this. Out next week.

ShatterAlan · 14-11-2020 8:53pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

Why is he coming out after 55 years? What's his motivation? How do we know what he's saying is correct or true? 55 years is an awfully long time to be recalling events accurately.

Not if you have a good memory or if you made records.

The Nal · 20-11-2020 1:37pm

The Nal wrote: »

Looking forward to this. Out next week.

Really enjoyed this. Had to do a bit of jiggery-pokery to get it. Very very detailed and quite long at 2 hrs 20. But a lot of the heavy hitters in there. Bugliosi, Robert Blakey et al.

Surprisingly, they didn't uncover a conspiracy.

No evidence uncovered. Not a scrap. 57 years now.

Maybe they will in year 58.

Samsonsmasher · 25-11-2020 2:04pm

The autopsy photos and x-rays and testimony of the autopsy doctors clearly support the conclusion that two shots struck Kennedy.
The first shot hit Kennedy in the back of the neck to the right of the spine before exiting the base of the throat. Bunching his suit jacket and shirt explain why the bullet holes in his clothing are lower than the neck wound. The blood patterns on the shirt and jacket the twin holes in the shirt collar and the nick in the tie knot support the conclusion the bullet exited the base of the throat.

Experiments have shown that the exit wound was small because the shirt collar and tie now prevented expansion whereas Connally suffered a fist size exit hole in his right chest. The emergency doctors never turned Kennedy over and so never saw the entrance wound in the back of the neck and assumed the hole in the throat was a wound if entrance. It was made larger by an incision so to insert a breathing tube. This was discovered later when pathologists in Bethesda Naval Hospital confered with emergency doctors in Parkland.

For the same reason that the body was never turned over the emergency doctors never discovered the wound in the back of the head and never had the opportunity that the pathologists had to discover the nature of the two wounds - the small exit wound in the back of the head and the much larger exit wound in the top right front of the head.
The presence of bullet fragments in the neck and the head also supports the conclusion of two bullets entering the rear of Kennedy's body and exiting the front.

There is no mystery.

Both shots came from the rear and above.

The Nal · 25-11-2020 3:23pm

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

whereas Connally suffered a fist size exit hole in his right chest.

Largely due to the bullet tumbling (as seen on Connallys back scar) which can only happen if the bullet has already passed through something - JFK.

The bullet exiting Connallys chest came out basically on its side. Huge wound.

The hard Texan bastard managed to get himself out of the limo at Parkland while still holding onto his hat too before eventually collapsing.

Samsonsmasher · 25-11-2020 3:48pm

The Nal wrote: »

Largely due to the bullet tumbling (as seen on Connallys back scar) which can only happen if the bullet has already passed through something - JFK.

The bullet exiting Connallys chest came out basically on its side. Huge wound.

The hard Texan bastard managed to get himself out of the limo at Parkland while still holding onto his hat too before eventually collapsing.

A few years ago the late Gary Mack the curator of the TSBD 6th Floor Museum was involved in a TV show that recreated the single bullet shot.

A 6.5mm round nose Western cartridge was fired from a scoped Mannlicher Carcano 91/38 bolt action Italian Army surplus rifle from the same height and distance into two replica human torsos.

The wounds to JFK's neck and Connallys back chest arm and leg were recreated almost exactly

The Nal · 26-11-2020 6:39pm

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

A few years ago the late Gary Mack the curator of the TSBD 6th Floor Museum was involved in a TV show that recreated the single bullet shot.

A 6.5mm round nose Western cartridge was fired from a scoped Mannlicher Carcano 91/38 bolt action Italian Army surplus rifle from the same height and distance into two replica human torsos.

The wounds to JFK's neck and Connallys back chest arm and leg were recreated almost exactly

A lot of the confusion/conspiracy ammo comes from the Warren Commission incorrectly saying the shots were fired in a minimum 5.6 seconds when in reality it was really closer to 9 seconds. So easily done.

Samsonsmasher · 26-11-2020 7:46pm

The Nal wrote: »

A lot of the confusion/conspiracy ammo comes from the Warren Commission incorrectly saying the shots were fired in a minimum 5.6 seconds when in reality it was really closer to 9 seconds. So easily done.

In William Manchester's book Death Of A President he points out that three shots could even have been fired in as little as 4.6sec starting with a round in the chamber. It took 2.3 secs to cycle the bolt of Oswald's rifle. First shot +2.3secs, second shot + 2.3secs third shot. At frame 223 of the Zapruder film we see both JFK and Connally start to react to gunfire and at frame 313 JFK was hit in the head. Oswald had plenty of time to aim and fire three shots.

The Nal · 27-11-2020 10:49am

Samsonsmasher wrote: »

In William Manchester's book Death Of A President he points out that three shots could even have been fired in as little as 4.6sec starting with a round in the chamber. It took 2.3 secs to cycle the bolt of Oswald's rifle. First shot +2.3secs, second shot + 2.3secs third shot. At frame 223 of the Zapruder film we see both JFK and Connally start to react to gunfire and at frame 313 JFK was hit in the head. Oswald had plenty of time to aim and fire three shots.

The first shot happened at about frame 155 so he took a little more time with the headshot. Had maybe 3 or 4 seconds to aim properly.

The Nal · 03-01-2021 12:31pm

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