Selling house because of Youth problem

Mongfinder General · 20-11-2019 12:17am

threeball wrote: »

That might work for big developers with multiple estates but smaller guys have to sell one before moving to the next so loads of small housing estates end up with a couple of knacker families who don't belong. Its like having a boarding kennel that mainly caters for poodles and chihuahuas but then someone randomly drops off a rottweiler and expects all to be good.

And we wonder why builders aren’t building. Houses in private pre 2000’s estates are the safest bet. I would not advise anybody to buy in a newly developed area or estate. Too big a risk,

Kermit.de.frog · 20-11-2019 1:03am

Mongfinder General wrote: »

And we wonder why builders aren’t building.

But it also makes the objections to houses more logical too.

Take the Raheny residents objecting to all those apartments.

On first glance you think "NIMBY's". And without further consideration you would be completely right.

But on closer inspection, though they would never say it publicly, they know that 30% of those apartments would be social. And, rightly, they would be concerned of the implications for them of that, most importantly on their quality of life, but also potentially on the value of their own properties.

It only takes one family...

Nermal · 20-11-2019 1:17am

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

The issue is, if they evict non payers or ASB feckers where do they house them then?

Why do they have to re-house them? Why should councils have a blanket obligation to house everyone who turns up at their office?

Kermit.de.frog · 20-11-2019 1:20am

Nermal wrote: »

Why do they have to re-house them?

They shouldn't.

If these families are given a house at our expense and want to behave like animals in the community they are in, with zero appreciation of what they have been given, then they can just as well behave like animals homeless on the streets.

Other countries have zero problem doing this so I don't see why we do. I wouldn't lose a night's sleep over it.

Samuel T. Cogley · 20-11-2019 8:00am

Mokuba wrote: »

Yeah they can keep certain estates exclusive by giving the council the properties elsewhere in lieu.

I thought that had been stopped?

the.red.baron · 20-11-2019 10:17am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

I thought that had been stopped?

yes because the in lieu houses were never getting built

the whole idea is to spread out the social housing rather than creating a ghetto

Its not social housing that is the issue, the trouble makers are small in number but never get dealt with, that's the issue

No repercussions, thats the irish way

same as all the feral children and druggies making dublin city center a ****hole

look at the quinn situation, even then, the guards couldn't be arsed untill huge public pressure was put on them

its a pretty **** country we live in at times

threeball · 20-11-2019 12:14pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

They shouldn't.

If these families are given a house at our expense and want to behave like animals in the community they are in, with zero appreciation of what they have been given, then they can just as well behave like animals homeless on the streets.

Other countries have zero problem doing this so I don't see why we do. I wouldn't lose a night's sleep over it.

I agree. If you get given a house there should be an onus on you to mind the house and control the kids.
Damage the house it comes off your social welfare. If they or the kids are running wild in the area and have to be dealt with by the guards then first time you get a warning. 2nd you should be evicted and you can make your way from there. It wouldn't be long changing a few attitudes and kerbing the feral scum.

BeerWolf · 20-11-2019 12:47pm

Why don't they just make estates with 100% social housing, saving others grief from the prospect of gambling a house to be housed beside such dregs of society...?

20-11-2019 1:03pm

threeball wrote: »

That might work for big developers with multiple estates but smaller guys have to sell one before moving to the next so loads of small housing estates end up with a couple of knacker families who don't belong. Its like having a boarding kennel that mainly caters for poodles and chihuahuas but then someone randomly drops off a rottweiler and expects all to be good.

Comparing rotties and their docile, playful mannerisms with the predatory nature of our esteemed ethnic brethren is wide of the mark and an insult to rottweilers (and other restricted breeds).

20-11-2019 1:07pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why don't they just make estates with 100% social housing, saving others grief from the prospect of gambling a house to be housed beside such dregs of society...?

Because that's how Ballymun/Tallaght of the 90's became so infamous in the first place. Ask anyone in D5 what their impression is of Casino park / Cherrymount and they'll all tell you the same. It was a no-go area up until very recently, even for the hardchaws in Donnycarney. It's taken the guts of 25 years for the toerags to grow up and get a corpo gaff elsewhere with thier own kids for that to have changed.

Deebles McBeebles · 20-11-2019 1:07pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why don't they just make estates with 100% social housing, saving others grief from the prospect of gambling a house to be housed beside such dregs of society...?

The government will tell you its because they don't want to create ghettos. What the actual reason is, I do not know.

BeerWolf · 20-11-2019 1:10pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

The government will tell you its because they don't want to create ghettos. What the actual reason is, I do not know.

If they want to live in their own wastelands, let them. Why should others have to suffer...

victor8600 · 20-11-2019 1:13pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why don't they just make estates with 100% social housing, saving others grief from the prospect of gambling a house to be housed beside such dregs of society...?

Because it won't work. The 100% social housing estate is likely to become barely inhabitable after some time. Look at the Ballymun flats situation.

IMO, the problem is not that 10% should be allocated for social housing, it is the lack of consequences for antisocial behaviour.

MetzgerMeister · 20-11-2019 1:18pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Because it won't work. The 100% social housing estate is likely to become barely inhabitable after some time. Look at the Ballymun flats situation.

IMO, the problem is not that 10% should be allocated for social housing, it is the lack of consequences for antisocial behaviour.

Not to mention the fact that the people in the non-social housing houses will be directly on the receiving end of anti-social behaviour and their only choice is to move out because as we know, tackling it or calling the Gardai only entices the scrotes.

mondeo · 20-11-2019 1:40pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why don't they just make estates with 100% social housing, saving others grief from the prospect of gambling a house to be housed beside such dregs of society...?

Think they already did this in the 80's and 90's, isn't Ballycraigh D24 completely social housing when it was developed ? I remember my Dad complaining when this place was built, saying many anti social issues popped up in and around Firhouse when Ballycraigh came to light.

I do wish the council would stop buying up property in private residential areas, but so many people are put into B&B's and hotels that I suppose they have no choice but to buy them up. Some council tenants are decent, some are not. Peter with his mortgage paid, going to work in his shirt and tie, and company car will have to live next door to Tracksuit John laughing like Dustin the Turkey with his mates at the front of his all expenses paid council gaf. They are just effing lucky to be getting a free house like this, really insane that people can get a 3 bedroom house for basically free and entitled to lived there for the rest of their lives, where as next door people are killing themselves to buy exactly the same house and giving away 50% + of their salary every month to cover mortgage payments.

Are we the fools going out and buying houses ?

Deebles McBeebles · 20-11-2019 1:41pm

victor8600 wrote: »

Because it won't work. The 100% social housing estate is likely to become barely inhabitable after some time. Look at the Ballymun flats situation.

Isn't that just spreading the mess rather than containing or cleaning it though?

victor8600 wrote: »

IMO, the problem is not that 10% should be allocated for social housing, it is the lack of consequences for antisocial behaviour.

Spot on.

victor8600 · 20-11-2019 1:42pm

mondeo wrote: »

Are we the fools going out and buying houses ?

Yes.

Wanderer78 · 20-11-2019 1:43pm

mondeo wrote:

Are we the fools going out and buying houses ?

I think we re fools to allow the financial sector to be so deeply involved in the creation of money, that has caused house prices to be so overly inflated

Andreas77 · 20-11-2019 2:05pm

Social inclusion. It is obscene to create social housing estates in isolated suburban areas, as was done in many cities. You will provide the highest quality of social housing possible, to give the greatest chance to children being raised in these homes. Thankfully, the government has learned their lesson on this point and have started to do the right thing. I have seen some beautiful new estates in inner city areas being built to highest standards in terms of build, energy efficiency, and dignity of living space. Besides, as many have noted, there are plenty of hard working people, considerate neighbours and such, who live in social housing. The whole system is rigged, making people who avail of social securities an easy scapegoat.

Henry Ford III · 20-11-2019 2:14pm

Haven't read the entire thread but just on the 1st post I feel for the O.P.

I had a similar issue once. Kids sitting on a wall nearby. Noisy and their behavior was getting progressively worse. They were also attracting some undesirables into a quiet cul de sac.

I got some motor underseal and painted the top of the bricks with it. Problem was solved overnight.

p.s. Has anyone mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito?

MetzgerMeister · 20-11-2019 2:33pm

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Haven't read the entire thread but just on the 1st post I feel for the O.P.

I had a similar issue once. Kids sitting on a wall nearby. Noisy and their behavior was getting progressively worse. They were also attracting some undesirables into a quiet cul de sac.

I got some motor underseal and painted the top of the bricks with it. Problem was solved overnight.

p.s. Has anyone mentioned https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Mosquito?

"Infringes on the human rights of young people" - literally fighting for their right to sell drugs and do as they like :rolleyes:

AulWan · 20-11-2019 2:47pm

BeerWolf wrote: »

Why don't they just make estates with 100% social housing, saving others grief from the prospect of gambling a house to be housed beside such dregs of society...?

Because that worked oh so well in the past.

Henry Ford III · 20-11-2019 3:24pm

MetzgerMeister wrote: »

"Infringes on the human rights of young people" - literally fighting for their right to sell drugs and do as they like :rolleyes:

I'd have a quite un PC reply but won't post it here.

Wanderer78 · 20-11-2019 3:25pm

Henry Ford III wrote:

I'd have a quite un PC reply but won't post it here.

Ah go on

Hector Savage · 20-11-2019 4:09pm

Is there any way to find out what neighbourhoods will be effected by this ?

scamalert · 20-11-2019 4:23pm

so fckn pathetic that people see here as only choice to run away and sell their own homes because no law or guards can do anything just promote such BS to go further.

whoever buys OPs place basically will inherit the issue

Think that guy few years back with hurley cracking skull was actually proper response that should be encouraged, not running away every time some t^ats decide to destroy peoples homes and make their lives constant misery, should be way forward to tackle youth gang issues, as parents basically encourage that behaviour, so what hope is there for future.

ThunbergsAreGo · 20-11-2019 4:38pm

AulWan wrote: »

Because that worked oh so well in the past.

Was it much worse than now? I mean countrywide.....was there less or more antisocial behaviour

80j2lc5y7u6qs9 · 20-11-2019 5:32pm

The person who is interested will also be able to talk to garda, drive around at night and weekends and check it out

AulWan · 20-11-2019 6:05pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Is there any way to find out what neighbourhoods will be effected by this ?

I don't see how.

I was not informed by the Council when they purchased the house next door to me.

I only found out they had bought it when the Council hired contractors arrived to start gutting the house.

20-11-2019 6:09pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Was it much worse than now? I mean countrywide.....was there less or more antisocial behaviour

Correlation does not equal causation. there are a multitude of factors at play which govern the levels of anti-social behaviour.

FWIW, I think that yes...it was much worse in Dublin certainly. There were whole pockets of the city that were no-go areas. Have a look at the number of people walking / cycling around and though the Sherriff St area between now and 7pm tonight in suits, carrying laptops, on high end bikes etc. That just didn't happen for a quarter of a century.

Throw in the rest of Dublin 1, most of Finglas, all of Ballymun etc. There used to be much more general scumbag activity, IMO, compared to now.

Hotblack Desiato · 21-11-2019 1:10pm

Paddy Cow wrote: »

The problem is the people who make these decisions will never find themselves living among the problem makers. A judge will never live in the corner house that is targeted by delinquents and so will never experience the full horror of what that entails. It's easy to intellectualise a problem/solution when that will never impact you.

Just had a GREAT idea for a reality TV series. Get one of these toffee nosed fooks to move in with the OP and live in the real world for an entire week (if they can last that long) Oh and leave them with the same disposable income each week the OP has after mortgage, car, bills etc.

RTE wouldn't touch it with a bargepole, Virgin Media though...

Blaizes wrote: »

Even adding to that get an area without loads of young families, you’d definitely be better off living near retired pensioners.

Describes where we live to a T. The downside is that there are no kids around for our kids to play with, but that can be a double-edged sword anyway.

A bit concerned though as to what will happen in a few years when the pensioners all start dying off. Would be pricey enough to buy here but that doesn't seem to be stopping the councils these days.

Hector Savage · 21-11-2019 1:15pm

AulWan wrote: »

I don't see how.

I was not informed by the Council when they purchased the house next door to me.

I only found out they had bought it when the Council hired contractors arrived to start gutting the house.

Christ so this could literally happen in any neighbourhood in dublin ?
Even if all the houses are privately owned and have heavty mortgages attached ?

Hotblack Desiato · 21-11-2019 1:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Throw in the rest of Dublin 1, most of Finglas, all of Ballymun etc. There used to be much more general scumbag activity, IMO, compared to now.

The amount of absolute thuggery on the streets was way worse 40 years ago.

Sure didn't Bono used to get beaten up by the Black Catholics on a more or less weekly basis

I can remember being ushered out of Stephens Green one random Saturday afternoon by my mother because there were gangs of boot boys and punks fighting in the park in broad daylight.

Sam Quentin · 21-11-2019 1:34pm

I think it got worse since the media tried to promote MMA as our national sport and that fella from Dublin(he definitely had a Dublin accent) became a national hero overnight!?
I literally feel sick for the op,. it's absolutely desperate, I lived in London a number of years back and I won't go into details but the Police and Council are GENUINELY and LITERALLY on top of such situations within days or weeks,.. this has to STOP.

twinytwo · 21-11-2019 2:16pm

Easy fix, any kids involves in anti social behaviour - stop the parents benefits. Issue guaranteed to be solve almost over night.

AulWan · 21-11-2019 2:31pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Christ so this could literally happen in any neighbourhood in dublin ?
Even if all the houses are privately owned and have heavty mortgages attached ?

Yep.

pablo128 · 21-11-2019 3:08pm

twinytwo wrote: »

Easy fix, any kids involves in anti social behaviour - stop the parents benefits. Issue guaranteed to be solve almost over night.

And if the parents work?

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-11-2019 3:32pm

pablo128 wrote: »

And if the parents work?

Fine them

pablo128 · 21-11-2019 3:52pm

ThunbergsAreGo wrote: »

Fine them

That means the Gardai have to do their jobs and arrest them first and bring them to court. Ain't gonna happen. They don't even turn up when you ring them. I have first hand experience of this.

The first time our home was bricked I ran after them and caught hold of the lad who threw it, while the neighbours watched on. I had him by the neck as I rang the Gardai. As I was ringing them, I was getting abused by the same neighbours. Turns out it was their little darling. They were still roaring abuse 15 minutes later as the Gardai turned up, and actually witnessed them. The only reason they came is because I said I had him by the neck.

Nothing came of it. We rang the council too and they said they couldn't do anything because they owned their house.

threeball · 21-11-2019 5:41pm

pablo128 wrote: »

That means the Gardai have to do their jobs and arrest them first and bring them to court. Ain't gonna happen. They don't even turn up when you ring them. I have first hand experience of this.

The first time our home was bricked I ran after them and caught hold of the lad who threw it, while the neighbours watched on. I had him by the neck as I rang the Gardai. As I was ringing them, I was getting abused by the same neighbours. Turns out it was their little darling. They were still roaring abuse 15 minutes later as the Gardai turned up, and actually witnessed them. The only reason they came is because I said I had him by the neck.

Nothing came of it. We rang the council too and they said they couldn't do anything because they owned their house.

Should have fcuked him through their window. See how they like sh1t being thrown at their house.

pablo128 · 21-11-2019 5:59pm

threeball wrote: »

Should have fcuked him through their window. See how they like sh1t being thrown at their house.

I never had a problem off that particular lad again because they were told whatever happened to my home, would happen to their home.

Paddy Cow · 21-11-2019 6:52pm

threeball wrote: »

That might work for big developers with multiple estates but smaller guys have to sell one before moving to the next so loads of small housing estates end up with a couple of knacker families who don't belong. Its like having a boarding kennel that mainly caters for poodles and chihuahuas but then someone randomly drops off a rottweiler and expects all to be good.

That's the best description of it I've ever heard :pac:

21-11-2019 8:10pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Christ so this could literally happen in any neighbourhood in dublin ?
Even if all the houses are privately owned and have heavty mortgages attached ?

I am very privileged, thanks mainly to inheritance, to be living in a very “desirable” estate which won a top accolade for its planning, design etc. I don’t mean to be snobbish but it is plainly not the kind of place you could imagine typical council estate residents living in, however some of the accommodation is council owned. The only difference you see is if you look through the big windows you see tons of children’s stuff piled up.

Thankfully the estate is very well managed (I pay a small fortune in fees) and putting washing on balconies etc is not tolerated, and any breaches acted upon by the caretaker who knows everybody living here. There have been a small number of cat break-ins intone underground car parks, but a modern sporadically monitored security system has been installed. At night time cctv cameras are triggered by movement which alerts the monitoring centre. The security staff then can zoom in and check to see if there is suspicious activity and if so they can communicate through a loudspeaker to warn the intruder and alert the guards. The voice alert draws the intruder to look directly at the camera where the voice is coming from, so a good high definition image is captured. This modern security remote monitoring is greatly reducing problems. Any scrotes who might be living on the estate would know about this system. There are tons of cameras facing all directions, so no evading detection. Their voices are also recorded. This kind of system will become more and more the norm in modern estates and will reduce some of the antisocial problems.

Mad_maxx · 21-11-2019 8:33pm

threeball wrote: »

It's government policy to turn the whole of Dublin into knackerland. This 20% social housing rule inserts scumbags where they would never be before. They act the bollox there where no one will confront them. Their kids intimidate or recruit local kids that normally wouldn't have gotten involved and now this new estate you moved into with aspirations and dreams is just a nightmare dragging you to the bottom.

Happening in other towns and cities up and down the country too but Dublin is particularly bad. That city has fallen off a cliff in the last 10yrs.

Eoin o Broin ( sinn fein) has been particularly enthusiastic about increasing the percentage of mandatory social housing in new estates

This is the primary reason I would prefer to buy a fixer upper in a mature established area, less likely to fall prey to social engineering policies

AulWan · 21-11-2019 8:41pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

This is the primary reason I would prefer to buy a fixer upper in a mature established area, less likely to fall prey to social engineering policies

There is no safeguard.

The area I live in fits your description. A mature established area (built 35 years ago) but almost every house that has gone up for sale in the last 3 years were all purchased by South Dublin County Council.

5 that I know of.

Framed10 · 21-11-2019 8:50pm

Is there a way to find out if there are houses in an estate that have been bought by the council?
Or is it a case of doing your own asking around?
I'm currently considering buying a house in a mature estate in Cork at the moment.
Thanks

threeball · 21-11-2019 9:04pm

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Eoin o Broin ( sinn fein) has been particularly enthusiastic about increasing the percentage of mandatory social housing in new estates

This is the primary reason I would prefer to buy a fixer upper in a mature established area, less likely to fall prey to social engineering policies

Not surprised to hear Sinn Fein pandering to their electorate. If it weren't for the welfare class they'd have a smaller vote than PBP.

Mad_maxx · 21-11-2019 9:32pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Again, its best to ignore complex social issues, as the market will solve it!

lumpenproletariat

Mad_maxx · 21-11-2019 9:38pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

In what way did the market solve complex social issues, and which left leaning governments would that have been?

left wing activists created the culture of delinquency we see everywhere today , they told a particular section of society ( including travellers ) that the state was responsible for everything in their lives that was wrong but also that it was up to the state to wait on them hand and foot , the same activists tell the middle ireland tax payer to sit down and keep milking whenever we dare to raise our hand about said delinquency

all irelands problems stem from a smothering culture of left wing orthodoxy , from the media dictatorship which brands everyone a racist to the gargantuan quangocracy which pressurises politicians to bring in ghastly 20% social housing rules in private estates

holliehobbie · 21-11-2019 9:39pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Christ so this could literally happen in any neighbourhood in dublin ?
Even if all the houses are privately owned and have heavty mortgages attached ?

It's more likely to be Housing Bodies like Cluid buying the houses than Dublin City Council.

Selling house because of Youth problem

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