12 years for ex-shinner

...__... · 02-06-2017 2:29am

He should be charged with membership of an illegal organisation as well
anyone who votes for these wannabe dictators needs there head examined

end of the road · 02-06-2017 2:37am

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Fifteen of Sinn Féin's 35 MPs, TDs, MEPs, and Assembly members have a history of IRA involvement or have convictions.

Notice he was convicted HERE in the republic. Not in the North.

http://politico.ie/archive/who-sinn-f%C3%A9in-was-ira

They ARE the IRA.

the actions of the ira have nothing to do with sinn fein.

Persephone kindness wrote: »

It's not worth my life.

I am not 'Irish enough' and they will gas me when the revolution comes. And then the far right will take a pee on my grave. Happy days.

that won't happen as the far right will not be allowed to get a grip in this country. there are plenty of people who will insure it.

...__... wrote: »

He should be charged with membership of an illegal organisation as well
anyone who votes for these wannabe dictators needs there head examined

can't be done. it would be against democracy to charge him with something that it would be impossible for him to be guilty of. sinn fein are a legitimate political party and the ira were gone before he would have been old enough to be trusted to have anything to do with it. anyone who would vote for sinn fein will be making a good choice.

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 2:42am

Scary people I don't like them.:( Bad energy. You can sense it. Aura...

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 2:44am

tomwaterford wrote: »

If you honestly believe this....id suggest get professional help and set away frpm the internet for a bit

I think you need to re read the OP.

...__... · 02-06-2017 3:10am

end of the road wrote: »

the actions of the ira have nothing to do with sinn fein.

that won't happen as the far right will not be allowed to get a grip in this country. there are plenty of people who will insure it.

can't be done. it would be against democracy to charge him with something that it would be impossible for him to be guilty of. sinn fein are a legitimate political party and the ira were gone before he would have been old enough to be trusted to have anything to do with it. anyone who would vote for sinn fein will be making a good choice.

oh I'm sorry but I must be mistaken like the rest of the nation he said he was part of the IRA in fact didn't he admit he was with the head of the Ira or at the very least as an innocent man might interpret representing them and the provisional movement?? given his links with mary lou it seems he was speaking the truth!
Once a shinbot always a shinbot 12 years is 12 years too short we tried to get rid of your type in 1994 seems the normal decent people missed a few anti peace process wanna keep the ballad session going type guys who post the shiner propaganda in my letterbox to walk off a hangover type guys away

...__... · 02-06-2017 3:15am

I love that saying the actions of the ira have nothing to do with sin fein 1982 is a long time passed wake up and stop trying to play the sensible people of the nation your trying to drag into a war we don't want any part of it and hope you disappear like the innocent victims the ira butchered.

02-06-2017 5:46am

end of the road wrote: »

that wasn't sinn fein. that was the ira. the actions of the ira had nothing to do with sinn fein.

I'm trying to figure out, are you trying to separate the IRA from SF and the child rape angle, or separate SF from the IRA and the child killing angle?

tomwaterford · 02-06-2017 6:09am

Persephone kindness wrote: »

I think you need to re read the OP.

It deosnt reference any present sinn fein members??

Tbf this lad deserves 20 years for the stupididy of recording it

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 6:24am

Our politics has hit a new low.

02-06-2017 6:32am

tomwaterford wrote: »

It deosnt reference any present sinn fein members??

Ach, mud sticks, sure some people still bang on about FF and Bertie Ahern whereas, as you would argue, he's not a current member...

BalcombeSt4 · 02-06-2017 6:40am

More Free State attacks on Republicans.

Phoebas · 02-06-2017 6:46am

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

More Free State attacks on Republicans.

:pac:
These threads are hilarious - watching the usual handful of SF posters contort themselves.

tomwaterford · 02-06-2017 6:47am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ach, mud sticks, sure some people still bang on about FF and Bertie Ahern whereas, as you would argue, he's not a current member...

This is pretty much what irish politic amounts to....mud slinging matches and an example of why nothing ever gets done/changes here

But it geos down a treat with anyone who the hardest taught they have to do each day is tie their laces

02-06-2017 7:01am

tomwaterford wrote: »

But it geos down a treat with anyone who the hardest taught they have to do each day is tie their laces

We can all agree that it's good to see we are now merely murdering the English language...

ChikiChiki · 02-06-2017 7:02am

Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »

We should be proud to see the Irish justice system at its finest.

Yes we should but unfortunately it fails us all too often. This sentence is severe compared to far worse crimes that have been committed. Where is the consistency.

I think if he was a member of another party it wouldn't be as severe. Sure what happened to a certain ex FG TD for glassing someone?

A conviction and a €750 fine. http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0208/851000-sean-conlan/

Its a political sentencing and it leaves a sour taste to be honest. Before anyone accuses me of being a Shinner I most certainly detest the party.

tomwaterford · 02-06-2017 7:03am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

We can all agree that it's good to see we are now merely murdering the English language...

Quality discussion point there :rolleyes:

02-06-2017 7:07am

tomwaterford wrote: »

Quality discussion point there :rolleyes:

Ah, the "hardest taught peepil to do to the shoelace tie taught" was a "discussion point"? Really?

Expand on it so.

tomwaterford · 02-06-2017 7:28am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Ah, the "hardest taught peepil to do to the shoelace tie taught" was a "discussion point"? Really?

Expand on it so.

Basically large portions of the irish electorate are like trump supporters

Mud slinging and lowest bass debating skills are what appeals to them....

this can be the only logical conlusion on the farce that is debate in the dail??

**pretty low to exagerate my poor spelling in an effort to undermine my point though....#lowbrowtechniques

Annasopra · 02-06-2017 7:28am

end of the road wrote: »

that wasn't sinn fein. that was the ira. the actions of the ira had nothing to do with sinn fein.

Ah here. That is seriously seriously deluded. In fact its worse than deluded.

ceegee · 02-06-2017 7:32am

FTA69 wrote: »

He wasn't a serving councillor, he wasn't even a party member,

http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-jonathan-dowdall-resigns-1937189-Feb2015/

The kidnapping happened January 2015

02-06-2017 7:46am

tomwaterford wrote: »

**pretty low to exagerate my poor spelling in an effort to undermine my point though....#lowbrowtechniques

Not just spelling, also syntax. And usually a cheap shot...except when the sentence was itself a cheap shot at the intelligence of others.

FTA69 · 02-06-2017 7:52am

ceegee wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/sinn-fein-jonathan-dowdall-resigns-1937189-Feb2015/

The kidnapping happened January 2015

It seems you're right, the dates and the resignations are a bit confusing to look at. The man is clearly a deranged sadist and a nasty piece of work.

diomed · 02-06-2017 7:54am

end of the road wrote: »

indeed. you are standing up and fighting to make the country better.
sinn fein have nothing but the countries best interests at heart. always have always will.

they can run a country. they will run this country north and south. they are trusted, will be trusted, can be trusted. it's only a matter of time. it's going to happen.

They have not run a country.
They are not trusted.
It will not happen.

Omackeral · 02-06-2017 8:10am

end of the road wrote: »

the actions of the ira have nothing to do with Sinn Fein .

Can't help but notice you thanked the following post...

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Once a thug always a thug.

Which kind of contradicts this ;

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Fifteen of Sinn F?in's 35 MPs, TDs, MEPs, and Assembly members have a history of IRA involvement or have convictions.

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 8:25am

Omackeral wrote: »

Can't help but notice you thanked the following post...

Which kind of contradicts this ;

How does it contradict it? Are you saying 'dems all thugs?'

Do you say that about all army's when ex members commit crimes or all political parties when ex members commit crimes?

Are FG all 'thugs' because one member actually injures another by glassing?

Or is the reasonable answer that some may be thugs or potential criminals?

Annasopra · 02-06-2017 8:25am

FTA69 wrote: »

It seems you're right, the dates and the resignations are a bit confusing to look at. The man is clearly a deranged sadist and a nasty piece of work.

I think SF have deliberately tried to confuse and evade and spin the issue in fairness.

He was a sitting SF Councillor when the waterboarding happened.

jh79 · 02-06-2017 8:27am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How does it contradict it? Are you saying 'dems all thugs?'

Do you say that about all army's when ex members commit crimes or all political parties when ex members commit crimes?

Are FG all 'thugs' because one member actually injures another by glassing?

Or is the reasonable answer that some may be thugs or potential criminals?

15 out of 35 MP/TD etc is 43%, a bit more than some.

beertons · 02-06-2017 8:28am

He's only an ex shinner 'coz he was caught.

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 8:29am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

He was a sitting SF Councillor when the waterboarding happened.

This is what people need to take from it.

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 8:30am

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I think SF have deliberately tried to confuse and evade and spin the issue in fairness.

He was a sitting SF Councillor when the waterboarding happened.

jh79 wrote: »

15 out of 35 MP/TD etc is 43%, a bit more than some.

Conlan was a sitting FG councillor when he actually injured another by glassing and in the same constituency McElevaney was a recent FG councillor when caught taking bribes.

What does that say about FG?

Take your time, I could name more examples.

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 8:34am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Conlan was a sitting FG councillor when he actually injured another by glassing and in the same constituency McElevaney was a recent FG councillor when caught taking bribes.

What does that say about FG?

Take your time, I could name more examples.

jh79 · 02-06-2017 8:34am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Conlan was a sitting FG councillor when he actually injured another by glassing and in the same constituency McElevaney was a recent FG councillor when caught taking bribes.

What does that say about FG?

Take your time, I could name more examples.

43% means it's a common theme and representative of the party.

Sean Conlon and McE represents what % of FG?

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 8:35am

jh79 wrote: »

43% means it's a common theme and representative of the party.

Sean Conlon and McE represents what % of FG?

43% are engaged in criminal acts????

:D

jh79 · 02-06-2017 8:38am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

43% are engaged in criminal acts???? :D

43% are convicted criminals.

FTA69 · 02-06-2017 8:40am

jh79 wrote: »

15 out of 35 MP/TD etc is 43%, a bit more than some.

There's a difference between being an ex-combatant in a political conflict that's been over for years and Jonathan Dowdall doing what he did. Trying to link the two is a tad disingenuous to be fair. Dowdall was never in the IRA or had anything to do with that conflict, he was just a maniac involved in a personal vendetta by the sounds of it.

Dowdall was and is clearly a sadistic and dangerous individual. Personally I remember when I was in Sinn Féin's youth wing in the south of Ireland fifteen years ago, there was a party member who was caught looking up child pornography. As soon as it was discovered the cops were called and he was charged and that was the end of his involvement. None of us suspected or had a bloody clue about it, on the surface he appeared and acted a normal guy. (I suppose they all do really don't they?)

The point being is that many people harbour disturbing secrets. I've no doubt there are some councillors and TDs and hurlers and TV stars or whoever who abuse their wives at home, or who have raped or sexually assaulted in the past or who have done other twisted sh*t and have gotten away with it unbeknownst to anyone else.

Is Dowdall a scumbag? Undoubtedly. Did Sinn Fein have any inkling of this incident? Doubtful. (Cops the,selves only found out by accident). Is something like this indicative of the wider party and it's members? No.

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 8:43am

jh79 wrote: »

43% are convicted criminals.

No they aren't.
43% were engaged in a conflict and carried out acts that were deemed 'criminal' by two states. One of which has since been found to have committed worse acts of criminality while the other state stood idly by.

Since signing an international agreement those former members of the IRA have not been found to have been involved in criminality.
No higher a percentage than other parties anyhow.

Conlan got a fine for actually injuring somebody with a broken glass btw, McElevaney is a free man. That is in just one constituency.

jh79 · 02-06-2017 8:48am

FTA69 wrote: »

There's a difference between being an ex-combatant in a political conflict that's been over for years and Jonathan Dowdall doing what he did. Trying to link the two is a tad disingenuous to be fair. Dowdall was never in the IRA or had anything to do with that conflict, he was just a maniac involved in a personal vendetta by the sounds of it.

Dowdall was and is clearly a sadistic and dangerous individual. Personally I remember when I was in Sinn Féin's youth wing in the south of Ireland fifteen years ago, there was a party member who was caught looking up child pornography. As soon as it was discovered the cops were called and he was charged and that was the end of his involvement. None of us suspected or had a bloody clue about it, on the surface he appeared and acted a normal guy. (I suppose they all do really don't they?)

The point being is that many people harbour disturbing secrets. I've no doubt there are some councillors and TDs and hurlers and TV stars or whoever who abuse their wives at home, or who have raped or sexually assaulted in the past or who have done other twisted sh*t and have gotten away with it unbeknownst to anyone else.

Is Dowdall a scumbag? Undoubtedly. Did Sinn Fein have any inkling of this incident? Doubtful. (Cops the,selves only found out by accident). Is something like this indicative of the wider party and it's members? No.

They found out because of his links to the Hutch drug gang, that was why his house was raided, what did SF know about that?

jh79 · 02-06-2017 8:49am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

No they aren't.
43% were engaged in a conflict and carried out acts that were deemed 'criminal' by two states. One of which has since been found to have committed worse acts of criminality while the other state stood idly by.

Since signing an international agreement those former members of the IRA have not been found to have been involved in criminality.
No higher a percentage than other parties anyhow.

Conlan got a fine for actually injuring somebody with a broken glass btw, McElevaney is a free man. That is in just one constituency.

Have they criminal records?

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 8:49am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One of which has since been found to have committed worse acts of criminality

Says who?

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 8:51am

jh79 wrote: »

They found out because of his links to the Hutch drug gang, that was why his house was raided, what did SF know about that?

You tell us?

What did FG know about councillors across the country taking bribes? Surely somebody must have wondered how planning applications were suddenly getting through etc etc etc.

We could go on all day like this.

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 8:51am

People with mental health issues are treated worse in mental institutions than the IRA convicted prisoners wish to be treated. That is the truth.

And the victims of the Troubles will often spent their lives in and out of hospital for physical and emotional issues. They lives are destroyed. And families lose loved ones for good.

Whatever you think of how the Irish in NI are /were treated. There was another option. There are non affiliated parties the SDLP.

And if you are going to swallow SF ..swallow their communist manifesto too. And don't forget Terrorists are not an army ..they don't screen ..they take ANYONE. And they fund through crime.

And they want to be treated in prison better than the mentally ill....and people call the mentally crazy. NOPE

We had to let them partake in politics ...for the peace process ....they were instrumental in ending violence because they were the ones shooting. And after the gained ground and came to the south ..and gained ground much like trump after economic disaster...

And they are worse than trump.

In fact Gerry Adams met Trump ..years ago.

And yes ...the British at ONE point took a side in NI....but they are still a professional army bound by law...and they really did behave neutrally way before a peace was brokered.

The victims of the troubles are forgotten....In fact the biggest Whining voice of the troubles ..has been the terrorists. And now they lecture us

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 8:52am

RANT OVER.

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 8:54am

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Says who?

Me and also them. They apologised publicly for being involved in one notable one. Bloody Sunday. Nobody facing trial for that yet btw, but the usual suspects here are up in arms and are concentrating on one crime that has gone through the courts. Typical?...yep.

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 8:58am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Me and also them. They apologised publicly for being involved in one notable one. Bloody Sunday. Nobody facing trial for that yet btw, but the usual suspects here are up in arms and are concentrating on one crime that has gone through the courts. Typical?...yep.

Very different from SF. As a professional army is diff from SF also from here on in I intend to use IRA and SF interchangeably in life and online ...i would urge others to do the same until they clean house.

jh79 · 02-06-2017 8:58am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You tell us?

What did FG know about councillors across the country taking bribes? Surely somebody must have wondered how planning applications were suddenly getting through etc etc etc.

We could go on all day like this.

I could go on all day about SF you'll hit a brick wall pretty soon.

Raymond McCartney – A former hunger-striker, he was convicted of two murders in Derry in 1977. The first was of Catholic policeman Patrick McNulty. The second was of the manager of the local Du Pont factory, Jeffrey Agate, one of a series of IRA killings of businessmen who were accused of stabilising the Northern economy.

Barry McElduff – A Queen's University graduate, he was given an 18-month suspended sentence in 1992 for helping in the false imprisonment of a Protestant whom the IRA suspected of being an informer. The victim was interrogated by three masked IRA men in Sinn Féin's Dungannon offices. The court heard that McElduff had saved the victim from execution.

Aengus O Snodaigh – He has no IRA convictions. This week, he said he had "no idea" why his posters were present in a van occupied by convicted IRA men. His election agent and close political associate, Niall Binaid, was jailed just before Christmas for IRA membership.

http://politico.ie/archive/who-sinn-f%C3%A9in-was-ira

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 9:00am

Francie Brady I don't know what right you think you have to place SF so height they are free to murder but it's scary. There are few people in life I would say I would still support even if they killed someone.

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 9:00am

Persephone kindness wrote: »

Very different from SF. As a professional army is diff from SF also from here on in I intend to use IRA and SF interchangeably in life and online ...i would urge others to do the same until they clean house.

They(the BA) are different from the IRA (SF is not an army btw)

The IRA no longer exist and the BA are still killing in pursuit of their aims around the world. Simple as that really.

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 9:02am

Why do you have a problem with the British Govt and the British Army?

Persephone kindness · 02-06-2017 9:03am

They made mistakes ...sure and I am not down with that at all. But the last few years I think they did an honorable job in NI.

FrancieBrady · 02-06-2017 9:04am

jh79 wrote: »

I could go on all day about SF you'll hit a brick wall pretty soon.

Raymond McCartney – A former hunger-striker, he was convicted of two murders in Derry in 1977. The first was of Catholic policeman Patrick McNulty. The second was of the manager of the local Du Pont factory, Jeffrey Agate, one of a series of IRA killings of businessmen who were accused of stabilising the Northern economy.

Barry McElduff – A Queen's University graduate, he was given an 18-month suspended sentence in 1992 for helping in the false imprisonment of a Protestant whom the IRA suspected of being an informer. The victim was interrogated by three masked IRA men in Sinn Féin's Dungannon offices. The court heard that McElduff had saved the victim from execution.

You found examples of SF members who were involved in a conflict that is now over. Well done you!

Aengus O Snodaigh – He has no IRA convictions. This week, he said he had "no idea" why his posters were present in a van occupied by convicted IRA men. His election agent and close political associate, Niall Binaid, was jailed just before Christmas for IRA membership.

http://politico.ie/archive/who-sinn-f%C3%A9in-was-ira

What are you saying here? That he knew why they had posters?

12 years for ex-shinner

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