Las Vegas Raiders Thread

Kev8360 · 11-11-2018 12:14am

Prefab Sprouter wrote: »

But he didnt need to study tapes, before his drafting the pundits were raving about how he could sit at midfield and throw the ball between the uprights!!!

I think that was his problem - he was supposed to be throwing it to his receivers 😀

Prefab Sprouter · 13-11-2018 11:32am

Looks like we are starting rookies at receiver against Arizona. Brandon Lafell and Jared Cook are the main "threats"....:D

eire4 · 13-11-2018 6:00pm

Considering how clearly the Raiders have decided to tank the season at this point the team almost put a spanner in the works of getting the number 1 pick in next years draft with what was a decent performance against the Chargers under the circumstances. The score does not reflect what was a fairly close game really. Just at this point Carr has nobody to help him put any real points on the board being the key difference this week.

Prefab Sprouter · 19-11-2018 2:58pm

Well we got a win!! Away from home!

Kev8360 · 19-11-2018 4:22pm

Now that I know we are going to be terrible watching the game last night wasn't as bad as earlier in the season. Looking at who we had lined up last night I didn't expect much and I was not surprised. Good opening TD for Cook but once again our defense cant stop big plays.

Positive is that we got turnovers but Arizona should have closed it out at the end - a holding penalty was the difference at the end on the David Johnson TD that was wiped out.

Negative is that win may have cost us the 1st pick if it comes down to a head to head between us and the cardinals.

I don't mind so much that Carr and Gruden are getting into it on the sideline - I actually like that Carr is willing to talk back to him as he is the only leader on the team we really have now - that feels weird to say when we had the oldest team in the NFL last year.

eire4 · 19-11-2018 4:31pm

Kev8360 wrote: »

Now that I know we are going to be terrible watching the game last night wasn't as bad as earlier in the season. Looking at who we had lined up last night I didn't expect much and I was not surprised. Good opening TD for Cook but once again our defense cant stop big plays.

Positive is that we got turnovers but Arizona should have closed it out at the end - a holding penalty was the difference at the end on the David Johnson TD that was wiped out.

Negative is that win may have cost us the 1st pick if it comes down to a head to head between us and the cardinals.

I don't mind so much that Carr and Gruden are getting into it on the sideline - I actually like that Carr is willing to talk back to him as he is the only leader on the team we really have now - that feels weird to say when we had the oldest team in the NFL last year.

Right now with the win the Cardinals have the number 1 pick the Raiders number 2. Both have pretty similar schedules over the final 6 games none of which I see the Raiders winning. But we will see as things stand with this weekends win the Raiders are at number 2 and wherever later in the first round the Cowboys and Bears end up.

Prefab Sprouter · 19-11-2018 4:43pm

Kev8360 wrote: »

Now that I know we are going to be terrible watching the game last night wasn't as bad as earlier in the season. Looking at who we had lined up last night I didn't expect much and I was not surprised. Good opening TD for Cook but once again our defense cant stop big plays.

Positive is that we got turnovers but Arizona should have closed it out at the end - a holding penalty was the difference at the end on the David Johnson TD that was wiped out.

Negative is that win may have cost us the 1st pick if it comes down to a head to head between us and the cardinals.

I don't mind so much that Carr and Gruden are getting into it on the sideline - I actually like that Carr is willing to talk back to him as he is the only leader on the team we really have now - that feels weird to say when we had the oldest team in the NFL last year.

I am glad Carr is with us still. He's had his detractors but I still think he should be our QB going forward.

eire4 · 19-11-2018 4:52pm

Prefab Sprouter wrote: »

I am glad Carr is with us still. He's had his detractors but I still think he should be our QB going forward.

I would agree with that. Even in the fiasco that this season has become he has still performed fairly well overall. He is not the issue and whether the Raiders end up with the number 1 or 2 pick that needs to be spent on the best player available regardless of position IMHO but not on a QB.

adrian522 · 19-11-2018 5:22pm

Kev8360 wrote: »

Negative is that win may have cost us the 1st pick if it comes down to a head to head between us and the cardinals.

Head to head isn't a tie breaker for draft position. The first tie breaker is strength of schedule and after that it goes to coin toss.

eire4 wrote: »

Right now with the win the Cardinals have the number 1 pick the Raiders number 2. Both have pretty similar schedules over the final 6 games none of which I see the Raiders winning. But we will see as things stand with this weekends win the Raiders are at number 2 and wherever later in the first round the Cowboys and Bears end up.

The 49ers currently have the weakest SOS so would have the first pick, but SOS changes each week depending on how the teams do.

eire4 · 19-11-2018 6:34pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Head to head isn't a tie breaker for draft position. The first tie breaker is strength of schedule and after that it goes to coin toss.

The 49ers currently have the weakest SOS so would have the first pick, but SOS changes each week depending on how the teams do.

Ahhh ok I thought it was head to head. Wel so at this point worst case scenario the Raiders would be the third pick.

wong · 19-11-2018 6:35pm

This is a good site for determining next years draft order.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

Tiebreakers: strength of schedule, division tiebreakers, conference tiebreakers, coin flip

eire4 · 19-11-2018 6:43pm

wong wrote: »

This is a good site for determining next years draft order.

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl

Tiebreakers: strength of schedule, division tiebreakers, conference tiebreakers, coin flip

Thanks for posting that. So the Raiders right now have the third pick. No way thought that will go on a QB. That is the one position the Raiders are fine one right now.

Prefab Sprouter · 19-11-2018 10:49pm

eire4 wrote: »

Thanks for posting that. So the Raiders right now have the third pick. No way thought that will go on a QB. That is the one position the Raiders are fine one right now.

i'm not an expert on College Football but I believe that the QB depth is not great in next Year's draft. Defensive Ends and tackles have a much deeper class. We have to go Defense with the first pick. Sorry, imho!

Kev8360 · 20-11-2018 7:21am

adrian522 wrote: »

Head to head isn't a tie breaker for draft position. The first tie breaker is strength of schedule and after that it goes to coin toss.

The 49ers currently have the weakest SOS so would have the first pick, but SOS changes each week depending on how the teams do.

ok I saw that our strength of schedule was the same as the cardinals , didn't realise head to head wasn't a tie breaker.

looking at the 49ers schedule they are going to find it hard to win again as well (buccaneers are their best bet next week) so they will most likely be picking first.

adrian522 · 20-11-2018 11:43am

Well the SOS changes every week depending on how all the other teams do.

The 49ers have Tampa, and Denver which are both winnable. They also have the Rams in week 17 when they could be resting starters. I think the 49ers are likely to win a game as a lot of their games have been very close and they should probably have more wins as it is.

eire4 · 20-11-2018 3:38pm

adrian522 wrote: »

Well the SOS changes every week depending on how all the other teams do.

The 49ers have Tampa, and Denver which are both winnable. They also have the Rams in week 17 when they could be resting starters. I think the 49ers are likely to win a game as a lot of their games have been very close and they should probably have more wins as it is.

I think your right there. They have been more competitive then their record would suggest so I would be confident the Raiders will finish "ahead" of them in terms of the number 1 pick. The Cardinals who knows thats a toss up as both their schedule and the Raiders looks about the same in terms of difficulty.

eire4 · 20-11-2018 3:41pm

Prefab Sprouter wrote: »

i'm not an expert on College Football but I believe that the QB depth is not great in next Year's draft. Defensive Ends and tackles have a much deeper class. We have to go Defense with the first pick. Sorry, imho!

O I totally agree with you there. The idea that the Raiders would pick a QB with the first pick in next years draft is laughable. The Raiders have a ton of issues QB is not one of them though. Derek Carr is well capable of leading the Raiders and if he ever got a good cast around him he is good enough IMHO to win a super bowl.

golfball37 · 10-12-2018 1:33am

Serious stones shown tonight. Something for Gruden to build on these past two weeks.

Prefab Sprouter · 10-12-2018 1:08pm

Great result. Steelers had no answer for Jared Cook in terms of coverage and Carr had a good night. It was really good to see how well the players performed for Gruden and there are reasons for optimism. It was the best result of the year.

Kev8360 · 11-12-2018 12:04am

Always nice to get a win over the Steelers - Derek Carr had some amazing throws into tight windows and his receivers didn’t let him down. Considering what we have traded away and lost to injury this year it would be nice to pick up a win or two to close out the season and give some optimism for next year

eire4 · 11-12-2018 5:43pm

Personally I would rather not. Another win could really drop the Raiders first round draft pick number because there is quite a big group of teams currently sitting on only 4 wins. Right now the Raiders are sitting at number 3 and with the other picks from the Bears and Cowboys fading further into the first round I would want the Raiders to be as close as possible to the number 1 pick. This season is done. The team other then a handful of players is being over overhauled the only thing a win or 2 now would do is hurt the Raiders in next years draft.

Kev8360 · 25-12-2018 9:47am

Nice to get a home win in “possibly” the last game in Oakland. It wasn’t pretty but nothing has been this year.

eire4 · 02-01-2019 9:42pm

and so it is the 4th pick in the draft for the Raiders plus 2 late first round picks from the Bears and the Cowboys. Big draft and off season for sure coming up.

Prefab Sprouter · 03-01-2019 5:58pm

And a new GM. I must say I've always liked Maycock on NFL.com doing his Draft analysis but can he be a GM?

Kev8360 · 05-01-2019 5:46pm

My first thought when I saw Mike Mayock as GM is that he will be heavily involved in the draft picks but Gruden will run the show in terms of contract negotiations and free agents. They should just have gone and given him the dual role - he’s getting paid enough anyway.

Big draft coming up this year - we need to get some real quality in the first round.

eire4 · 06-01-2019 11:58pm

Kev8360 wrote: »

My first thought when I saw Mike Mayock as GM is that he will be heavily involved in the draft picks but Gruden will run the show in terms of contract negotiations and free agents. They should just have gone and given him the dual role - he’s getting paid enough anyway.

Big draft coming up this year - we need to get some real quality in the first round.

No question about that. The picks from the Bears and Cowboys will unfortunately be at the end of the first round but really with 3 first round picks and then one right at the start of the second round as well the picks to do so are certainly there with the right free agent of 2 added in afterward.

Prefab Sprouter · 11-03-2019 11:49am

Opens door of Raiders thread. Walks in.....dusts down the furniture.......puts on the heating and the kettle! Welcome to the offseason lads! The one time of the year where we get to hope just like the other 31 teams!!

anyways Antoniio Brown coming in the door and Osemele off to the Jets. Hankins resigned.....its going to be a crazy offseason again!

eire4 · 11-03-2019 3:37pm

Well we will see where things go from here with the Raiders rebuild but at last this actually looks like a positive. Only giving up a third and fifth round pick to get Brown certainly is a good deal on paper and clearly fills the hole left by the Cooper trade.

VillaMad · 11-03-2019 5:18pm

Raiders adding another Brown
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1105138576373755906

Foxtrol · 11-03-2019 5:41pm

VillaMad wrote: »

Raiders adding another Brown
https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/1105138576373755906

Skeptical of paying that sort of money for him. Effort was a concern when he was with the 49ers so I’d fear him easing off now that he’s getting paid, especially stepping down from the Patriots coaching/culture

Kev8360 · 13-03-2019 5:35pm

I cant help wondering if Jared Cook will not be resigned now due to the early splash in free agency. I would like to see him stay as he was the best part of our offense last year.

ELM327 · 13-03-2019 5:37pm

Foxtrol wrote: »

Skeptical of paying that sort of money for him. Effort was a concern when he was with the 49ers so I’d fear him easing off now that he’s getting paid, especially stepping down from the Patriots coaching/culture

He'll go back to mediocre OL now IMO, similar to the downgrade Solder suffered post NE.

Foxtrol · 13-03-2019 7:10pm

ELM327 wrote: »

He'll go back to mediocre OL now IMO, similar to the downgrade Solder suffered post NE.

It'll be a great start if he shows up to camp weighing less than 400lbs

Kev8360 · 20-03-2019 9:04pm

Bruce Irvin out , Vontaze Burfict in. Just trading 1 indisciplined LB for another (although Irvin has a way to go to match the type of nasty hits Burfict is known for). Safe to say I am not impressed.

Kev8360 · 22-03-2019 4:28pm

Kev8360 wrote: »

I cant help wondering if Jared Cook will not be resigned now due to the early splash in free agency. I would like to see him stay as he was the best part of our offense last year.

And rumours now he is going to sign for the Saints - would be a good pickup for them. our TE depth looks very thin.

Prefab Sprouter · 05-04-2019 1:21pm

Now....I know this is stupid...silly...juvenile.... and completely illogical.....but is it wrong to feel just a little bit optimistic about the coming draft and upcoming season?? I'm following this team since '83 so I know not to be in any way fooled by offseasons, but I feel I need to try and at least look on the bright side for a few weeks at least (I know......we'll draft the 5 fastest people on the draft boards and end up with 3 WR's, a safety and a punter with our first 5 picks) I'm not sure I can take much more depressing analysis and there's a limit to the amount of alcohol one can ingest to erase the taste of humble pie............

In a very longwinded way, I guess I'm trying to will myself to be optimistic at least until training camp, when it all falls horribly apart!!!! LOL

Kev8360 · 06-04-2019 5:24pm

Prefab Sprouter wrote: »

Now....I know this is stupid...silly...juvenile.... and completely illogical.....but is it wrong to feel just a little bit optimistic about the coming draft and upcoming season?? I'm following this team since '83 so I know not to be in any way fooled by offseasons, but I feel I need to try and at least look on the bright side for a few weeks at least (I know......we'll draft the 5 fastest people on the draft boards and end up with 3 WR's, a safety and a punter with our first 5 picks) I'm not sure I can take much more depressing analysis and there's a limit to the amount of alcohol one can ingest to erase the taste of humble pie............ In a very longwinded way, I guess I'm trying to will myself to be optimistic at least until training camp, when it all falls horribly apart!!!! LOL

No I think it’s totally normal to feel optimistic - one of the reasons I love the nfl is that there is always a chance that things can turn around quickly.

3 first round picks gives us a great chance to turn things around plus a legitimate wr1 now on the roster.

I am not happy with some of the decisions made so far this off season with some of the players we’ve let go but sometimes you got to burn down the house and start fresh.

golfball37 · 07-04-2019 2:30pm

Raiders are strongly rumored to be the featured team in this years hard knocks

heyjude · 07-04-2019 10:06pm

I'm very nervous about this years' draft, because I see it as the most crucial draft in the next nine years(the remaining length of Jon Grudens' contract). I think it will tell us whether Gruden can listen to his GM Mike Mayock and resist the temptation to take the players that give him some new offensive toys to play with, rather than those that most benefit the team the most overall.

It is generally agreed that this years' draft is top heavy with defensive talent, which just happens to be what the Raiders need most. With the main part of free agency now over, Joyner was the only major defensive signing(with Burfict and Marshall being risky one year signings on lower money), yet so far they have acquired Antonio Brown, Trent Brown, Tyrell Williams plus QBs Jones and Glennon and have other signings at every offensive position. So that according to Spotrac, they are spending $108.5m of their cap on offence, compared just $51.6m on their defence. This means they have the 5th highest offensive spend in the league and the lowest defensive spend.

The Raiders had no pass rush last season with just 13 sacks in 16 games(17 lower than the next worst team), yet I see mock drafts suggesting that they take a QB with their first pick(and even worse, trade up and give away their other first round picks to do so), I've also seen mock drafts where they pick a cornerback or middle linebacker, which although they are areas of need, are not the greatest need. I've also seen them linked with Rashaan Gary, who is a better athlete than his production shows(and I would hate as a first round pick).

I just hope that Mike Mayock can moderate Grudens' love of offensive players and stop him using a first round pick on a QB, running back, or one of the tight ends Hockenson or Fant. The 4th pick needs to be someone who upgrades the pass rush, ideally on the edge, but if Quinnen Williams is available at 4(as possibly the best player in the draft you'd have to take him to play alongside Maurice Hurst). I'd even consider another edge player with the second pick.

I don't think this is seen as an especially strong draft class for quarterbacks, running backs or wide receivers, so they need to concentrate on those positions where the talent is greatest and if they decide that Carr isn't the QB to take the team forward, then they have the extra first rounder to trade up next year, when the QB class is expected to be stronger. Similarly, using a first round pick on the best running back in a weak running back class would be a head scratcher.

Mayock was brought in to be a savvy drafter, now the question is, will Gruden allow to do this job ? The bookies have set the Raiders over/under wins for next season at 6, the first round picks and the value they get in any trades, will help determine whether this lack of confidence is justified or not.

Prefab Sprouter · 09-04-2019 12:04am

heyjude wrote: »

I'm very nervous about this years' draft, because I see it as the most crucial draft in the next nine years(the remaining length of Jon Grudens' contract). I think it will tell us whether Gruden can listen to his GM Mike Mayock and resist the temptation to take the players that give him some new offensive toys to play with, rather than those that most benefit the team the most overall.

It is generally agreed that this years' draft is top heavy with defensive talent, which just happens to be what the Raiders need most. With the main part of free agency now over, Joyner was the only major defensive signing(with Burfict and Marshall being risky one year signings on lower money), yet so far they have acquired Antonio Brown, Trent Brown, Tyrell Williams plus QBs Jones and Glennon and have other signings at every offensive position. So that according to Spotrac, they are spending $108.5m of their cap on offence, compared just $51.6m on their defence. This means they have the 5th highest offensive spend in the league and the lowest defensive spend.

The Raiders had no pass rush last season with just 13 sacks in 16 games(17 lower than the next worst team), yet I see mock drafts suggesting that they take a QB with their first pick(and even worse, trade up and give away their other first round picks to do so), I've also seen mock drafts where they pick a cornerback or middle linebacker, which although they are areas of need, are not the greatest need. I've also seen them linked with Rashaan Gary, who is a better athlete than his production shows(and I would hate as a first round pick).

I just hope that Mike Mayock can moderate Grudens' love of offensive players and stop him using a first round pick on a QB, running back, or one of the tight ends Hockenson or Fant. The 4th pick needs to be someone who upgrades the pass rush, ideally on the edge, but if Quinnen Williams is available at 4(as possibly the best player in the draft you'd have to take him to play alongside Maurice Hurst). I'd even consider another edge player with the second pick.

I don't think this is seen as an especially strong draft class for quarterbacks, running backs or wide receivers, so they need to concentrate on those positions where the talent is greatest and if they decide that Carr isn't the QB to take the team forward, then they have the extra first rounder to trade up next year, when the QB class is expected to be stronger. Similarly, using a first round pick on the best running back in a weak running back class would be a head scratcher.

Mayock was brought in to be a savvy drafter, now the question is, will Gruden allow to do this job ? The bookies have set the Raiders over/under wins for next season at 6, the first round picks and the value they get in any trades, will help determine whether this lack of confidence is justified or not.

I agree that this is not a great draft for QB's, and I must say that I am perturbed by all the rumours surrounding Gruden drafting Kyler Murray at 4, despite our obvious needs on Defense. We are actually better placed at QB than many other teams and I'm sort of hoping that Gruden and Mayock are trying to get another team to trade into 4, that its a ruse designed to obtain more draft picks. I believe in Carr, I think that with a decent line, he can flourish. He has done so before and with a decent defense enabling the Offense to play a more controlled game, Gruden can play to Carrs strengths. Defenses win championships, end of. If you take the Pats out of the equation (cause they are another level entirely) then the best teams always have a great defense. Gruden has to show he isnt Al davis, easily distracted by a novel toy and focus on building up the Roster. I'm okay with Oakland trading 4, I'm okay with them staying put...my nightmare is them trading up to get Murray or drafting a TE or QB in the first round.

Kev8360 · 18-04-2019 11:47am

Schedule released:

Wk1 Broncos
Wk2 Chiefs
Wk3 @Vikings
Wk4 @Colts
Wk5 Bears (London)
Wk6 BYE
Wk7 @Packers
Wk8 @Texans
Wk9 Lions
Wk10 Chargers
Wk11 Bengals
Wk12 @Jets
WK13 @Chiefs
Wk14 Titans
Wk15 Jags
Wk16 @Chiefs
Wk17 @Broncos

On the whole not a bad schedule - good to start at home against Broncos/Chiefs - opportunity to get the fans behind the team with a couple of big rivals in town. Without knowing how the draft pans out I could definitely see us going 7-9 or 8-8 if we can get a few key additions on defense as the teams we play at home (outside of Bears and Chiefs) are all beatable.

Having 4 of the last 6 away from home is a pain - if we start badly I don't believe we will win (m)any of those games.

heyjude · 18-04-2019 9:39pm

I disagree, I think its a terrible schedule, its bad enough that in terms of opponents they have the strongest strength of schedule of any team in the league, but in terms of actual playing schedule, it must be one of the toughest ever and is a final slap in the face for Oaklands' home fans. Has any team ever played 5 consecutive games on the road and had 7 weeks between home games in the regular season before ?

For starters, they play on Monday night and so have a short week before facing the Chiefs(their toughest division opponent), then after the Chiefs on Sept 15th, they don't play another home game until 7 weeks later on Nov 3rd, as they face the Vikings and Colts on the road, they travel to London to face the Bears followed by the bye, then further road games against the Packers and Texans, before finally coming home on Nov 3rd to face the Lions. Their bye week also comes very early with just 5 games played.

But the final insult to the Oakland fans is that, what will probably be the teams' last game in Oakland will be a non division week 15 game against the Jaguars, by which time their season could be over. Why couldn't they have switched the Broncos game from the start to the end of the season, to give a meaty division game as the final game in Oakland ?

golfball37 · 18-04-2019 9:40pm

Kev8360 wrote: »

Schedule released:

Wk1 Broncos
Wk2 Chiefs
Wk3 @Vikings
Wk4 @Colts
Wk5 Bears (London)
Wk6 BYE
Wk7 @Packers
Wk8 @Texans
Wk9 Lions
Wk10 Chargers
Wk11 Bengals
Wk12 @Jets
WK13 @Chiefs
Wk14 Titans
Wk15 Jags
Wk16 @Chiefs
Wk17 @Broncos

On the whole not a bad schedule - good to start at home against Broncos/Chiefs - opportunity to get the fans behind the team with a couple of big rivals in town. Without knowing how the draft pans out I could definitely see us going 7-9 or 8-8 if we can get a few key additions on defense as the teams we play at home (outside of Bears and Chiefs) are all beatable.

Having 4 of the last 6 away from home is a pain - if we start badly I don't believe we will win (m)any of those games.

If we lose to Denver I predict we’ll be 0-5 come the bye. That’s a really tough schedule

Prefab Sprouter · 18-04-2019 10:26pm

golfball37 wrote: »

If we lose to Denver I predict we’ll be 0-5 come the bye. That’s a really tough schedule

We got the worst schedule this season. We need to start winning stright out of the gate. At least it isnt KCC, week 1

Kev8360 · 20-04-2019 10:40am

heyjude wrote: »

But the final insult to the Oakland fans is that, what will probably be the teams' last game in Oakland will be a non division week 15 game against the Jaguars, by which time their season could be over. Why couldn't they have switched the Broncos game from the start to the end of the season, to give a meaty division game as the final game in Oakland ?

Fair point ... we should have had a home division game as our last game this season.

Prefab Sprouter · 26-04-2019 11:14am

Well, Day 1 is in the bag, lads. I'm really glad that we drafted for positions of need as opposed to going off on a QB reset (they may draft one today but I'm guessing that Carr is feeling much more secure now). I dont know whether Ferrell is a reach or not.....if he pans out then brilliant. If he is a bust then it doesnt matter so much where he was drafted. We can but hope that the choices pan out. Jacobs helps to fill the gap that Beast Mode has left and I like the fact that we addressed the Secondary. Its not that I'm optimistic, I think I'm more, relieved.

Kev8360 · 26-04-2019 11:29am

Prefab Sprouter wrote: »

I like the fact that we addressed the Secondary. Its not that I'm optimistic, I think I'm more, relieved.

Agreed happy to see players added to defense hopefully they can contribute from the get go. Hopefully we can get some more quality through the next few days to set the team up for a few years.

heyjude · 26-04-2019 7:48pm

Relief is a good word to describe how I feel about last nights' picks too. Hopefully they will all become week one starters and move the defence in particular, forward. My only reservation is about whether we needed to draft a running back in the first round, especially one, who wasn't a massive star in college(unlike Gurley, Barkley and Peterson), but as a first round pick he now needs to be a bell cow running back rather than part of a running back committee, because you can easily get that type of running back in the latter rounds.

There's still a lot of really good players left, so if they stay put in round two, they should have a great choice no matter what position they want to strengthen (though my fingers are still crossed that they don't use that pick on a QB or a WR who would likely be 3rd or 4th of the depth chart).

Kev8360 · 29-04-2019 1:25pm

Sebastian Janikowski retired over the weekend. Through the wilderness of the late 2000's the only bright spot in our team was our special teams. Him and Shane Lechler were right at the top of their game - had to be giving how much we were paying them but still they performed. I don't think he will make it to Hall of Fame (Vinatieri is the only chance a kicker has of getting in any time soon I think just down to his game winning kicks in multiple playoffs and Superbowls) but he deserves to be recognized as one of the best kickers of the last 20 years.

Kev8360 · 12-06-2019 12:34pm

We are on hard knocks this season - will be interesting to see how everything runs behind the scenes. Some lively characters anyway - gruden, AB, burfict and incognito.

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