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Vegans and soil health

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  • #52
    henryporter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,089 ✭✭✭henryporter


    gozunda wrote: »
    I wasn't the only one who called you out btw. I asked you to clarify your comment - you didn't bother and then attempted a smart answer.

    You may wish to look up the meaning of the word 'civilly', as from your first and subsequent comments I can only assume have no idea what it means. Thanks all the same.

    Does this mean we can't be friends


  • #53
    Tar.Aldarion
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,104 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    Tilikum17 do not speculate on a posters identity, it is against site rules.


  • #54
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    gozunda wrote: »
    Much of the anti-farming videos which have been posted presume much by those who evidently do not have the first clue about growing crops on a commercial scale.

    The presumption that less land will be used as what is being fed to animals will be diverted to humans - ignores the fact that much of that which is fed to animals are the by-products of the human food industry. Added to that are the crops not fit for human consumption and the vast areas of climatic grassland only suitable for grazing. * But such facts are most often blatantly ignored...

    For those genuinely interested *
    A new study by FAO and published in Global Food Security found that livestock rely primarily on forages, crop residues and by-products that are not edible to humans and that certain production systems contribute directly to global food security, as they produce more highly valuable nutrients for humans, such as proteins, than they consume....

    See:
    http://www.fao.org/ag/againfo/home/en/news_archive/2017_More_Fuel_for_the_Food_Feed.html


  • #55
    silverharp
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,676 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    lalababa wrote: »
    Irish people eat too much meat from a human health POV.

    How much is too much? All you can safely say is that irish people eat too much , too much processed food, too much sugar, too much processed grains.

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • #56
    davidjtaylor
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    yellowlabrador wrote: »
    Are there any vegan gardeners who have grown all their own food, and have managed this for several years?

    yellowlabrador, none do. That’s not the aim. We’ve grown veganically on this acre for over 20 years but only stuff we eat a lot of. There’s no point in growing those bits and pieces of food that are essential for nutritional variety, it’s too much hard work. Leave those odds and ends to specialist growers.

    My kind of rough ideal for a varied diet is about 50% from within 50 kilometres, 30% within 300 kilometres, 15% within 1,500 kilometres and the other 5% worldwide.

    So we just grow lots of toms, peas, broad beans, onions, garlic, kale, spinach, salad leaves and herbs plus half a dozen varieties of spud; throw in grapes, apples, pears, rhubarb and berries - then look to other local growers for variety - and we’re getting there.

    None of this requires the input of other species, though I accept some growers are hooked on shît. :eek:


  • #57
    davidjtaylor
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »
    In Ireland, climate smart and economically smart practices would include using (and wasting) less inorganic fert. Having FYM management that isn't straight out of the 17th century, stop over spreading slurry and ruining water courses, stop hedgerow destruction, and cut down herd sizes and stop over producing beef to the point where the sector is completely dependent on subsidies

    Heh heh. I always know when rain is due - the farmers start spreading slurry. :(:D:D:D


  • #58
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    davidjtaylor wrote: »

    ...None of this requires the input of other species, though I accept some growers are hooked on shît. :eek:

    And what exactly is wrong with sh!t? Animals have been excreting and replenishing soils for as long as there has been life on earth. Strange that we humans are becoming so cerebral and sanitised that some can no longer deal with this basic fact of life. And I know there can be problems with slurry, however objecting to all forms of ****e such as FYM - makes no sense whatsoever. But there you go ...
    davidjtaylor wrote: »
    Heh heh. I always know when rain is due - the farmers start spreading slurry. :(:D:D:D

    You can be guaranteed that it's going to rain in Ireland often and when you least expect it. Though tbh you really dont seem to like living in the countryside tbh ....:confused:


  • #59
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    And it's actually advised not to spread in dry weather


  • #60
    davidjtaylor
    Registered Users Posts: 755 ✭✭✭davidjtaylor


    jh79 wrote: »
    Organic isn't healthier. A myth built on the natural fallacy.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935119300246


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  • #61
    jh79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    davidjtaylor wrote: »
    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0013935119300246

    Paper doesn't show organic is healthier, unless you can equate the reduced levels to actual health outcomes my claim still stands.


  • #62
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    jh79 wrote: »
    Paper doesn't show organic is healthier, unless you can equate the reduced levels to actual health outcomes my claim still stands.

    I'd rather not ingest chemicals if I can avoid it.


  • #63
    jh79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I'd rather not ingest chemicals if I can avoid it.

    Even "organic" food has chemicals in it and the amount allowed changes year by year. It's an arbitrary accreditation system, essentially a marketing term with no scientific basis.

    Choosing either isn't gonna have an impact on your health.


  • #64
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I'd rather not ingest chemicals if I can avoid it.

    I'd completely agree, but organic doesn't mean pesticide free, there are many organic pesticides which can be just as harmful and are often more harmful.

    Would you rather have the synthetic poison or the organic poison sprayed on your food?


  • #65
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    jh79 wrote: »
    Even "organic" food has chemicals in it and the amount allowed changes year by year. It's an arbitrary accreditation system, essentially a marketing term with no scientific basis.

    Choosing either isn't gonna have an impact on your health.

    We buy our food from an organic farm and the quality and taste is amazing compared to the supermarket.

    Intensive farming with liberal use pesticides does equal an inferior product.


  • #66
    jh79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    stefanovich wrote: »
    We buy our food from an organic farm and the quality and taste is amazing compared to the supermarket.

    Intensive farming with liberal use pesticides does equal an inferior product.

    But not an healthier product.


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  • #67
    jh79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    stefanovich wrote: »
    We buy our food from an organic farm and the quality and taste is amazing compared to the supermarket.

    Intensive farming with liberal use pesticides does equal an inferior product.

    I'd agree with you on intensive farming but wouldn't agree the pesticides have any effect on taste / quality.

    A study was done in Denmark years ago with two fields side by side and they found no difference between the two.


  • #68
    stefanovich
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,490 ✭✭✭stefanovich


    jh79 wrote: »
    But not an healthier product.

    I totally disagree. Less harm is caused to the land, to animals, to the water. No GM crops.


  • #69
    jh79
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,285 ✭✭✭jh79


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I totally disagree. Less harm is caused to the land, to animals, to the water. No GM crops.

    Even Golden Rice?


  • #70
    ganmo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,748 ✭✭✭ganmo


    stefanovich wrote: »
    I'd rather not ingest chemicals if I can avoid it.

    That pesky dihydroxy oxide is a killer


  • #71
    emaherx
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,203 ✭✭✭emaherx


    ganmo wrote: »
    That pesky dihydroxy oxide is a killer

    Dihydrogen monoxide?
    wrote:

    is also known as hydroxyl acid, and is the major component of acid rain.
    contributes to the "greenhouse effect".
    may cause severe burns.
    contributes to the erosion of our natural landscape.
    accelerates corrosion and rusting of many metals.
    may cause electrical failures and decreased effectiveness of automobile brakes.
    has been found in excised tumors of terminal cancer patients.
    Despite the danger, dihydrogen monoxide is often used:

    as an industrial solvent and coolant.
    in nuclear power plants.
    in the production of styrofoam.
    as a fire retardant.
    in many forms of cruel animal research.
    in the distribution of pesticides. Even after washing, produce remains contaminated by this chemical.
    as an additive in certain "junk-foods" and other food products.

    Terrible stuff but they'll never ban it :D


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