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Woman assaulted at knifepoint in Dublin *MOD WARNING ADDED TO OP*

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    I watched the victim's account of the attack on the main Virgin Media news this evening. They gave it a substantial amount of airtime. The victim's retelling of the incident was chilling and vivid, with the attackers specifically aiming the knife at her face, which she blocked with her heavy winter jacket. The attack was sustained for multiple minutes as she tried to fight them off until one of them said "Run blood", and that's when they ran off laughing. It must have been a horrendous assault, as she said that she saw her life flashing before her, and all she could think about was her 3 children and her partner.

    Very brave woman, but I would imagine that the incident will stay with her for the rest of her life. I echo what others said about sentencing when/if they catch these cowardly thugs. There needs to be a total revamp of the justice system in Ireland, where the focus should be on the victim and not on the convicted criminal. Currently as it stands, the justice system in Ireland is weighed heavily against the victim with these types of crimes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    A match against St Monica's on a wet Sunday will make it fairly clear that it's not a posh area.

    haha, this guy knows


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,157 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    Lux23 wrote:
    What do you mean by 'new' Irish?


    It's a term commonly used by racists to describe people of African origin


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,157 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    MarkY91 wrote:
    How did I know they were 3 black teenagers the second I read it happened in balbriggan...


    Dude you wanted them to be black. That's different from knowing if they were black or not


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    * Off topic dribble*

    Mod:

    Threadbanned, and count yourself lucky it's not a forum ban for posting this inane muck below a mod warning


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Khumatmibro


    Vermin like this need to be put down on the spot. I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing stories like this week after week. These degenerate scum bags offer nothing of value to society. Not only do they not add anything of value they actively detract from anyone who has the misfortune of living anywhere near them. It's absolutely sickening and really makes me think twice about rearing children here.

    There should be massive incentives to prevent the absolute scum of society from having children. I'm sorry it's harsh but it's an absolute fact that excluding the occasional outlier, most children born to these degenerates are going to follow in their footsteps.

    As if it isn't bad enough with our own we certainly don't need to be importing plane loads of them from other countries on top of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Until problems are acknowledged and addressed it will keep getting worse ,theses gangs are running amok and getting away with it because if they are challenged by people or the gardai the gangs and their families label all involved as racist,
    There was a priest in tallaght years ago who fought to bring drug addiction supports and gardai awareness to the problem ,the chief superintendent in tallaght made a public statement that there was no drug problem in tallaght ,
    The same priest then gave an interview to the media where he compared the youth of parts of tallaght to the black youth of apparite South Africa ,
    For a a number years after the interview he was followed and had special branch detectives sit outside the parish house 24/7 ,
    Why because he was right and we had a massive drug problem.

    Here we have gangs running amok and anyone challenges them they are labelled as racists ,on social media ,the guards are powerless hands are being tied with be labelled racist for making arrests ,the parents of these scrotes are labelling the guards as racist, teachers and principals are being labelled as racists for challenging bad behaviour by both students and their parents ,
    It's this total denial by a handful of woke idealists who don't want a discussion of any kind taking place ,
    Things will end up like Manchester, Liverpool , London Birmingham , Rotherham with Black or Muslim groups who cannot be challenged or stopped for fear of being labelled racist,


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    bubblypop wrote: »
    But her brother fiachra might have killed some other young man outside an up market niteclub.

    Seriously, there are some really obsessed people on boards.
    Everybody can commit crimes, not everyone does, but everyone can. Doesn't matter a sh1t what the colour of their skin, or religion, or country of origin.

    A scumbag is a scumbag and should be arrested and charged.

    Bit of false equivalence on your part there re Fiachra - is there really that many poshos killing fellas outside nightclubs on the regular?

    I can think of a single case of it and it occurred 20 years ago


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,760 ✭✭✭Effects


    Gatling wrote: »
    There was a priest in tallaght years ago who fought to bring drug addiction supports and gardai awareness to the problem.
    The same priest then gave an interview to the media where he compared the youth of parts of tallaght to the black youth of apparite South Africa ,
    For a a number years after the interview he was followed and had special branch detectives sit outside the parish house 24/7 ,

    So you want us to believe that an overstretched Garda force, had detectives working 24/7, to watch over a priest for no reason other than intimidation? Pull the other one.

    “Where’s the proof, I want to see the proof, you’re making it up!”


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Effects wrote: »
    you’re making it up!”

    Ah Ted are you carrying your ****e over from where your banned


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling



    Hard labour is too good for these

    I'd imagine people would be telling us about their human rights and forced labour if it was even considered for dealing with there feral thugs


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 76 ✭✭Khumatmibro


    Gatling wrote: »
    I'd imagine people would be telling us about their human rights and forced labour if it was even considered for dealing with there feral thugs

    They wouldn't work on batteries.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    How dare she go the Guards, id say she would not have done that if they were white. She doesnt know about the lived experience of being a Black person in Ireland....:rolleyes:

    Funny how you never hear about those roving East Asian/Polish gangs, its almost as if some cultures are less compatible with Irish society.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Effects wrote: »
    So you want us to believe that an overstretched Garda force, had detectives working 24/7, to watch over a priest for no reason other than intimidation? Pull the other one.

    “Where’s the proof, I want to see the proof, you’re making it up!”
    Gatling wrote: »
    Ah Ted are you carrying your ****e over from where your banned

    Mod:

    Don't start this crap again here please or you'll both be removed from the thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Necro wrote: »
    Mod:

    Don't start this crap again here please or you'll both be removed from the thread.

    Sorry necro shouldn't have reacted .

    I'll ignore and carry on.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,139 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    How do we know these 3 were "black"/"new Irish" etc?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭glenfieldman


    Odhinn wrote: »
    How do we know these 3 were "black"/"new Irish" etc?

    The lady said so herself on radio


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭John Doe1


    Odhinn wrote: »
    How do we know these 3 were "black"/"new Irish" etc?

    She said so......

    Also the Journal closed comments


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,105 ✭✭✭Kivaro


    Odhinn wrote: »
    How do we know these 3 were "black"/"new Irish" etc?
    She described them as black on a radio show earlier.
    Doubt if the mainstream media in Ireland will report on that aspect of it though. To identify the perpetrators and to help with their apprehension, if they were white then they should say so, if black, likewise.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭kravmaga


    Odhinn wrote: »
    How do we know these 3 were "black"/"new Irish" etc?

    There is loads of them in Balbriggan and Tyrrelstown.

    The new Brixtons and Broadwater Farm estates of the future.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    The lady said so herself on radio

    What radio show was this ?

    Fair play to her. Hope she has a speedy recovery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    It's a term commonly used by racists to describe people of African origin

    No it isn't. Beasty has in the past even clarified this having done his own research. This just another example of how the racism card gets played incessantly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 283 ✭✭timeToLive


    It does seem like the mainstream media has censored a lot about this but maybe I just haven't paid attention enough


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Gatling wrote: »
    I'd imagine people would be telling us about their human rights and forced labour if it was even considered for dealing with there feral thugs

    And those crying "human rights" should themselves been throwing in a forced labor camp. Wokeists know absolutely nothing about actual human rights abuses around the world.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    The_Brood wrote: »
    And those crying "human rights" should themselves been throwing in a forced labor camp. Wokeists know absolutely nothing about actual human rights abuses around the world.

    So you're making up a situation where made up woke people are crying "human rights" at a made up situation where people are sent off to a made up Gulag.
    I love these threads.
    These bloody wokeists wont even let us have forced labour camps, I'm sick of this world!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 181 ✭✭Sarcozies


    But again why does it matter what race these scrotes are?

    Well it might be a potential hate crime? If it was a gang of white guys attacking a black woman you can be sure the assailants colour and victims colour would be in the news headlines and discussed heavily as a potential motive for the attack.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    Gatling wrote: »
    Until problems are acknowledged and addressed it will keep getting worse ,theses gangs are running amok and getting away with it because if they are challenged by people or the gardai the gangs and their families label all involved as racist,
    There was a priest in tallaght years ago who fought to bring drug addiction supports and gardai awareness to the problem ,the chief superintendent in tallaght made a public statement that there was no drug problem in tallaght ,
    The same priest then gave an interview to the media where he compared the youth of parts of tallaght to the black youth of apparite South Africa ,
    For a a number years after the interview he was followed and had special branch detectives sit outside the parish house 24/7 ,
    Why because he was right and we had a massive drug problem.

    Here we have gangs running amok and anyone challenges them they are labelled as racists ,on social media ,the guards are powerless hands are being tied with be labelled racist for making arrests ,the parents of these scrotes are labelling the guards as racist, teachers and principals are being labelled as racists for challenging bad behaviour by both students and their parents ,
    It's this total denial by a handful of woke idealists who don't want a discussion of any kind taking place ,
    Things will end up like Manchester, Liverpool , London Birmingham , Rotherham with Black or Muslim groups who cannot be challenged or stopped for fear of being labelled racist,

    I think what causes polarisation of views, is when people know the truth and the mainstream try supress and deny it, when you cant discuss problems or challenge wrong doing or those people cant be punished, the woke pc-ness has gone too far. I know it has when I agree with a poster I wouldnt normally agree with, the Russians you so dislike would never tolerate this nonsense, I think theyd go in a sort it out one way or the other, the States on the other hand is replete with woke extremism.

    If these problems continue to not be challenged, everything worsens for everyone, Im wondering who benefits? someone does.
    IMO weak politcal leadership, which isnt new to this Govt, hand in hand with vested interests in an industry of support services, inefficient state services and a poor performing judiciary are responsible, but someone somewhere is cleaning up

    In the meantime, we are getting walked over, If a political party came into being that wasnt extreme but said, were going to build a prison on a new site somewhere and start locking up criminals, no more revolving door and that it was true, how would that not be viable?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    1874 wrote: »
    the States on the other hand is replete with woke extremism.

    Don't they have one of the highest prison populations in the world and their police often shoot people willy nilly?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,675 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    This is why we voted back in 2004 to close the loophole.

    We already had enough scumbags of our own at the time now we have second generation imported ones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,157 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    No it isn't. Beasty has in the past even clarified this having done his own research. This just another example of how the racism card gets played incessantly

    Yes my friend it is.

    The term "new Irish" was originally coined to describe people from all over the world who have made Ireland their home in the last few decades. All different shades of colours from all continents. It never ever meant only one colour from one continent. Google the term New Irish. Look back at the original articles from years ago when this term was coined. Try find a single mainstream reputable newspaper article where New Irish refers to only one race & one colour.

    In recent years racists on Twitter, Boards etc have adopted the term "new Irish" to describe Black African /Irish. An Indian, Chinese, Polish, Brazilian etc are all New Irish. Its not a black thing. White people can be New Irish.

    If you mean African /Irish then say it. It's not offensive or racist. Not knowing what New Irish actually means isn't a good enough excuse for it to be used for racist reasons.


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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    +1 I thought the "new irish" thing covered just about everybody that arrived in the last 20 years.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Sarcozies wrote: »
    Well it might be a potential hate crime? If it was a gang of white guys attacking a black woman you can be sure the assailants colour and victims colour would be in the news headlines and discussed heavily as a potential motive for the attack.

    The sh*t would hit the fan. Various politicians would be climbing across each other to get to the TV microphones.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    Don't they have one of the highest prison populations in the world and their police often shoot people willy nilly?

    the US is an extreme example alright, they have questionable private prisons, liky eun for profit. On the other hand they have huge social problems and it should be no surprise they have a huge prison population. The larger that is, the bigger the problem is to deal with and the greater the cost.
    There are peoplehere whos familys arrived to country where there is an option to lift anyone out of poverty, its called education, its the 1st foremost system to raise a society and anyone in it up, the opportunities for.anyone in a disadvantaged position are fantastic in this country compared to others, thats not to say it is easy. I wouldnt consider myself wealthy by any means but looking back my siblings and I grew up in poverty, and others were worse off than we were despite them having both parents.
    imo rehab should be part and parcel of prison, but 3 lads who stab at a woman, towards her face or in anyway (but I include violence towards males) should not be allowed walk the streets, prison is for people dangerous to society, reform inside with rehab or stay there.
    I can only imagine what these sorts were like in school, no doubt troublesome nightmares for a school.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭Necro


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    It's a term commonly used by racists to describe people of African origin
    No it isn't. Beasty has in the past even clarified this having done his own research. This just another example of how the racism card gets played incessantly
    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Yes my friend it is.

    The term "new Irish" was originally coined to describe people from all over the world who have made Ireland their home in the last few decades. All different shades of colours from all continents. It never ever meant only one colour from one continent. Google the term New Irish. Look back at the original articles from years ago when this term was coined. Try find a single mainstream reputable newspaper article where New Irish refers to only one race & one colour.

    In recent years racists on Twitter, Boards etc have adopted the term "new Irish" to describe Black African /Irish. An Indian, Chinese, Polish, Brazilian etc are all New Irish. Its not a black thing. White people can be New Irish.

    If you mean African /Irish then say it. It's not offensive or racist. Not knowing what New Irish actually means isn't a good enough excuse for it to be used for racist reasons.
    +1 I thought the "new irish" thing covered just about everybody that arrived in the last 20 years.

    Mod:

    None of this is on topic. Not even remotely. Can we stick to the topic at hand please. If you want to discuss the origins and/or meaning of 'new Irish' please go to the appropriate thread. And please don't call posters racist. It's uncivil and not helpful in terms of discussion. Report posts you feel are racist and move on rather than engaging.

    Again we seem to be incapable of actually discussing the subject matter in the OP.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    Considering how generous Social welfare is in this country compared to London its to be expected that many of these London postcode black gangs will want to live here ,
    Rent paid in decent apartment/house and generous weekly payout in Dublin and never have to worry about looking for a job v
    Crap small bedsit/studio in London and miserable weekly dole and threat of been cut off every week you dont engage with job centre.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Anyone see that Special Forces show that was on last year where people are put through insane army training in the middle of nowhere? Can we send these little scrotes to something like this? Might put some f**king manners on them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    I used to think that I was incorrect, in a conclusion I came to, I couldnt understand in situations that required a certain response to deal with problems, that then werent,
    Not dealing with problems is either laziness/lack of knowledge or a lack of Will to fix things OR its intentional.
    It suits a lot of people imo for a situation/system to be in chaos.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,404 ✭✭✭1874


    eviltwin wrote: »
    Anyone see that Special Forces show that was on last year where people are put through insane army training in the middle of nowhere? Can we send these little scrotes to something like this? Might put some f**king manners on them.

    was this an Irish army thing? these scrotes dont need to be pandered to and I wouldnt let them near any specifc training, how about hard labour in prison and no luxuries.
    Modern militarys need willing, able, volunteers, most of all, they dont need criminals.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    LuasSimon wrote: »
    Considering how generous Social welfare is in this country compared to London its to be expected that many of these London postcode black gangs will want to live here ,
    Rent paid in decent apartment/house and generous weekly payout in Dublin and never have to worry about looking for a job v
    Crap small bedsit/studio in London and miserable weekly dole and threat of been cut off every week you dont engage with job centre.

    what the holy f*ck are you on about?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,479 ✭✭✭✭Thelonious Monk


    1874 wrote: »
    was this an Irish army thing? these scrotes dont need to be pandered to and I wouldnt let them near any specifc training, how about hard labour in prison and no luxuries.
    Modern militarys need willing, able, volunteers, most of all, they dont need criminals.

    What's the point in going on about fantasies that will never happen?
    Do you have any realistic solutions for dealing with youth crime?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    1874 wrote: »
    was this an Irish army thing? these scrotes dont need to be pandered to and I wouldnt let them near any specifc training, how about hard labour in prison and no luxuries.
    Modern militarys need willing, able, volunteers, most of all, they dont need criminals.

    Not actually put them in the forces, subject them to a harsh regime of training. Basic food, basic conditions, teach them about respect.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Basic food, basic conditions and a harsh regime of training. This may bring them out tougher than when they went in.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Basic food, basic conditions and a harsh regime of training. This may bring them out tougher than when they went in.

    The current system of suspended sentences or cushy prisons isn’t exactly a deterrent either.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,909 ✭✭✭CtevenSrowder


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    Yes my friend it is.

    The term "new Irish" was originally coined to describe people from all over the world who have made Ireland their home in the last few decades. All different shades of colours from all continents. It never ever meant only one colour from one continent. Google the term New Irish. Look back at the original articles from years ago when this term was coined. Try find a single mainstream reputable newspaper article where New Irish refers to only one race & one colour.

    In recent years racists on Twitter, Boards etc have adopted the term "new Irish" to describe Black African /Irish. An Indian, Chinese, Polish, Brazilian etc are all New Irish. Its not a black thing. White people can be New Irish.

    If you mean African /Irish then say it. It's not offensive or racist. Not knowing what New Irish actually means isn't a good enough excuse for it to be used for racist reasons.

    What are you getting at? You correctly describe new Irish as being anyone from anywhere outside of Ireland that have now made Ireland their home, correctly referencing how this is how the was used by 'mainstream' papers, and yet at the same time are proclaiming it is a term used by racists? Which is it exactly?

    The term new irish is still used from time to time by 'mainstream' papers, and still has it's original intended meaning, regardless of whatever ****e you've read on Twitter.

    Here is an article from May last year in TheJournal, not exactly known as a racist publication using the term in the sub-heading.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/irish-citizenship-ceremonies-5000-5029419-Mar2020/

    As I've stated, this topic has come up before and it was found to not be a 'racist' term. I suggest you delete Twitter as clearly it is colouring your thinking.

    EDIT: Just saw the mod warning I will drop this so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 208 ✭✭Valresnick


    What's the point in going on about fantasies that will never happen?
    Do you have any realistic solutions for dealing with youth crime?

    Tell us the solutions being implemented at national level by anyone please ? There are none because no one wants to know ! Show us any deterrent by our justice system for young teens to go out and mug someone by knife point or smash up a bus stop or burn down a historic tree etc etc. I’m sorry, but if you think serious anti social behaviour is not a problem here then you’re very naive and an answer of its always been here is not a solution so don’t bother saying that.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 71,799 ✭✭✭✭Ted_YNWA


    Vermin like this need to be put down on the spot. I'm absolutely sick and tired of hearing stories like this week after week. These degenerate scum bags offer nothing of value to society. Not only do they not add anything of value they actively detract from anyone who has the misfortune of living anywhere near them. It's absolutely sickening and really makes me think twice about rearing children here.

    There should be massive incentives to prevent the absolute scum of society from having children. I'm sorry it's harsh but it's an absolute fact that excluding the occasional outlier, most children born to these degenerates are going to follow in their footsteps.

    As if it isn't bad enough with our own we certainly don't need to be importing plane loads of them from other countries on top of that.

    Threadbanned.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,157 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    EDIT: Just saw the mod warning I will drop this so.

    Me too :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,829 ✭✭✭irishproduce


    Does anyone here raise this stuff straight and direct when local politicians come knocking? Does anyone here flag their interest in this kind of stuff to politicians before they are knocking?
    Look at your local politicians, identify which of them should represent a firmer and more robust approach for dealing with immigrant crime, immigrant gangs and ghettoisation of towns.
    If you don't directly raise it they focus on other things and let the soft of head types dictate stupid policies.


  • Posts: 18,749 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Does anyone here raise this stuff straight and direct when local politicians come knocking? Does anyone here flag their interest in this kind of stuff to politicians before they are knocking?
    Look at your local politicians, identify which of them should represent a firmer and more robust approach for dealing with immigrant crime, immigrant gangs and ghettoisation of towns.
    If you don't directly raise it they focus on other things and let the soft of head types dictate stupid policies.

    Why would you just complain about immigrant crime? Surely all crime needs to be dealt with tougher?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 763 ✭✭✭doublejobbing 2


    Sleeper12 wrote: »

    In recent years racists on Twitter, Boards etc have adopted the term "new Irish" to describe Black African /Irish. An Indian, Chinese, Polish, Brazilian etc are all New Irish. Its not a black thing. White people can be New Irish.

    .

    It was, however, started by the left. It was then adopted in an ironic tone.to refer to all sorts of yahoos on society's margins who are essentially Irish by passport only. Same as Pavee Point banged on for years about respecting traveller culture. Then, when a news story is posted featuring behavior that seldom to never happens among any other community (sulky accidents, roofing scams, brawls in hospital waiting rooms) people will add an ironic "culture boss" comment.

    Same happens when people comment "new to the parish eh" under a story about a foreign rapist or whatever. It's just a wee jab at Sorcha Pollak and her puff pieces that often feature asylum seekers with such a sense of entitlement that they readily admit in the articles that they are not fleeing any danger in the homeland and that the asylum system was simply the easiest migration mechanism to use.

    It's just a wee jibe to wind up the sensitive. Nothing to get excited about :)


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