FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

Ash.J.Williams · 20-01-2021 1:31pm

Madigan spouting sh1te again

"We’ve spent the last week talking about mother and baby homes, where our most vulnerable were left to their own devices in less than satisfactory conditions and we're now allowing further anxiety and upset to be placed on the shoulders of parents whose children desperately need to go back to school."

What does she even mean

blanch152 · 20-01-2021 1:33pm

Bowie wrote: »

Is LV for the heave?
Odd the Times publish this now.

Oh hilarious post. Not a chance. Keep dreaming.

Idbatterim · 20-01-2021 1:40pm

if FG get rid of the slimey worm and actually do commit to cutting income taxes and actually do, do it. They could win back voters, that left them after years of being lied too!

James Brown · 20-01-2021 3:25pm

blanch152 wrote: »

This is comedy gold. People shooting their load over an Irish Times article that says:

"A spokeswoman for Mr Harris said: “As the Tánaiste has said, Minster Harris provided him with a copy of the agreement on April 4th or 5th. The Minister sought a copy of the final contract on April 15th - ahead of a Dáil debate. He was eager for this to be published. He was provided with a copy of the agreement on the 17th April and the contract was published in May by the Department.”"

So Harris gave Varadkar the copy that Varadkar gave O'Tuathail yet somehow Pearse and the boys think that Varadkar had a copy before Harris.

Crying tears of laughter emoji

That's the opposite of the Times piece. What's your source? The Times piece states that Harris was still looking for a draft when Varadkar sent it to his pal.
Somebody is telling fibs.

James Brown · 20-01-2021 3:27pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Madigan spouting sh1te again

What does she even mean

What a horrible thing for her to do. Use the mother and baby homes to try damage teacher unions. Very nasty.

James Brown · 20-01-2021 3:29pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Oh hilarious post. Not a chance. Keep dreaming.

Very mature. So that would be a no?
Just wondering why the Times brought it up again. We discuss things here.

I think Varadkar does great work for anyone looking to see the back of FG or looking for a laugh.

blanch152 · 20-01-2021 3:51pm

Bowie wrote: »

That's the opposite of the Times piece. What's your source? The Times piece states that Harris was still looking for a draft when Varadkar sent it to his pal.
Somebody is telling fibs.

It is the very last paragraph of the Irish Times article!!! Did you not read to the end because of excitement?

James Brown · 20-01-2021 4:31pm

blanch152 wrote: »

It is the very last paragraph of the Irish Times article!!! Did you not read to the end because of excitement?

As I said, (x3) I was wondering why the Times published it, not how they came upon it.
Did you find out who was telling lies? Was your 'shooting your load' post spin on half truths or just lies?
Seems Harris couldn't get a copy when Varadkar was slipping a draft to a pal. Really caught Leo out lying again.
Would you respect the Greens more if they took issue, this time? If not, would you be cool with Gino from PBP telling such lies too?

blanch152 · 20-01-2021 4:49pm

Bowie wrote: »

As I said, (x3) I was wondering why the Times published it, not how they came upon it.
Did you find out who was telling lies? Was your 'shooting your load' post spin on half truths or just lies?
Seems Harris couldn't get a copy when Varadkar was slipping a draft to a pal. Really caught Leo out lying again.
Would you respect the Greens more if they took issue, this time? If not, would you be cool with Gino from PBP telling such lies too?

The bit in bold simply isn't true, as Harris himself is quoted as saying in the Irish Times!!!! Read to the end.

James Brown · 20-01-2021 5:03pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The bit in bold simply isn't true, as Harris himself is quoted as saying in the Irish Times!!!! Read to the end.

That's not true. A spokesperson for Harris, quoting a known liar, Varadkar.
I think you are not understanding what it actually says in your haste to defend Varadkar.

Here we go:

A spokesman for Mr Varadkar said: “As the Tánaiste explained to the Dáil in November, he received a copy of the agreement made with the IMO from the minister for health around April 4th or 5th.

A spokeswoman for Mr Harris said: “As the Tánaiste has said, Minster Harris provided him with a copy of the agreement on April 4th or 5th. The Minister sought a copy of the final contract on April 15th - ahead of a Dáil debate. He was eager for this to be published. He was provided with a copy of the agreement on the 17th April and the contract was published in May by the Department.”

So it's agreed Varadkar leaked a draft of the document, many claimed falsely was published, to his pal. A confidential negotiation document to the then head of a rival union to try score support/votes.
The only grey area is what version of the document Harris was looking for when Varadkar was leaking his copy.
I suppose trying to get some sort of a win, is still a win

blanch152 · 20-01-2021 5:09pm

Bowie wrote: »

That's not true. A spokesperson for Harris, quoting a known liar, Varadkar.
I think you are not understanding what it actually says in your haste to defend Varadkar.

Here we go:

So it's agreed Varadkar leaked a draft of the document, many claimed falsely was published, to his pal. A confidential negotiation document to the then head of a rival union to try score support/votes.
The only grey area is what version of the document Harris was looking for when Varadkar was leaking his copy.
I suppose trying to get some sort of a win, is still a win

You are spinning it again.

You are including some half-truths with some lies and creating a false extra narrative around it that doesn't exist.

McMurphy · 20-01-2021 5:11pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The bit in bold simply isn't true, as Harris himself is quoted as saying in the Irish Times!!!! Read to the end.

Where?.

Blanch, it looks to me like they are paraphrasing a "spokesperson" for Harris, and how what that spokesperson said then, and how in light of the FOI documents released, and seen by both the Shinners and the times, it looks like Harris lied too*.

*Harris Spokesperson lied.

James Brown · 20-01-2021 7:38pm

blanch152 wrote: »

You are spinning it again.

You are including some half-truths with some lies and creating a false extra narrative around it that doesn't exist.

Says the man claims a quote from a spokesperson of Harris', quoting a yarn from a liar, as "Harris himself is quoted...".

Glad in the least we are agreed Varadkar lied, leaked and FF/FG/Greens and yourself are okay with that.

satguy · 20-01-2021 9:59pm

This shows just FG & FF think alike.

Iconic Dublin pub to be demolished

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pubs-ireland-donnybrook-dublin-property-19663193

Dublin City Council has given the green light to demolish the popular pub, Kiely’s in Donnybrook, to make way for a shared co-living accommodation scheme.

But just look at who spoke out about this development.

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Cllr Hazel Chu (Green Party), Chris Andrews TD (SF), Senator Ivana Bacik (Lab) and Cllr Dermot Lacey (Lab) have objected against the six-story plan.

While there nothing but silence from our big two parties. They all keep quiet, while their developer buddies and donors get rich.

Crooks, every last one of them.

20-01-2021 10:17pm

satguy wrote: »

This shows just FG & FF think alike.

Iconic Dublin pub to be demolished

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pubs-ireland-donnybrook-dublin-property-19663193

Dublin City Council has given the green light to demolish the popular pub, Kiely’s in Donnybrook, to make way for a shared co-living accommodation scheme.

But just look at who spoke out about this development.

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Cllr Hazel Chu (Green Party), Chris Andrews TD (SF), Senator Ivana Bacik (Lab) and Cllr Dermot Lacey (Lab) have objected against the six-story plan.

While there nothing but silence from our big two parties. They all keep quiet, while their developer buddies and donors get rich.

Crooks, every last one of them.

But, but, but......the homeless crisis......

FrancieBrady · 20-01-2021 10:18pm

Deleted User wrote: »

But, but, but......the homeless crisis......

...is not a charter for pariah developers and their yes men and women.

20-01-2021 10:20pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...is not a charter for pariah developers and their yes men and women.

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

FrancieBrady · 20-01-2021 10:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

Who said that?

These guys aren't building to cure the homeless crisis, get a grip.

McMurphy · 20-01-2021 10:24pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

It's in the article.

Lord Mayor Chu argued that during a homelessness and housing crisis, "co-living is a dangerously complacent attempt to address the crisis in the capital’s rental market.”

She claimed that the plan to construct the scheme “is unduly hasty and poses serious health concerns” during a pandemic.

20-01-2021 10:29pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Sooooo. The homeless don’t matter. Right.

evidently not....why did dublin homeless service,not get any extra assistance during recent cold snap

Will they next week,when there is another forecast?

20-01-2021 10:34pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Who said that?

These guys aren't building to cure the homeless crisis, get a grip.

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

FrancieBrady · 20-01-2021 10:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

nonsense, You don't create problems to solve problems. The FG way

20-01-2021 10:37pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

Building what are effectively tenaments isnt an improvement.....its a backwards step

Can we not try and do things right in this country for once.....why do everything always have to be half-arsed here

McMurphy · 20-01-2021 10:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

That won't improve the housing stock.

Again, it's in the article.

They have also demanded that all rooms must have a minimum width of three metres.

The planner’s report said the three metres width condition "will, in all likelihood, involve a reduction in the number of rooms within the scheme which will reduce the number of residents sharing communal facilities.”

The Council stated that the developer’s proposed size of the shared living units was "restricted” and “failed to increase the width of the rooms to a level which is considered to provide a reasonable quality of residential amenity.”

20-01-2021 10:48pm

McMurphy wrote: »

That won't improve the housing stock.

Again, it's in the article.

Not everyone wants to live in a mansion. People have different needs at different times in their lives. Never say never. Open your mind to possibilities. I’ll bet that these properties will be filled in no time.

smurgen · 20-01-2021 11:19pm

Some day for FG.

Disgraced Seamus Woulfe's first Supreme Court listing revealed.
Madigan compared stand off with teacher union to Mother and Baby homes.
Revelation that Leo was leaking stuff he wouldn’t even show his own Minister for Health.
2500 new Covid cases and 61 deaths.

Not a normal party.

James Brown · 21-01-2021 12:29am

Deleted User wrote: »

Anything that would improve the housing stock must be welcomed.

A return to tenements is not welcome.

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 1:19am

satguy wrote: »

This shows just FG & FF think alike.

Iconic Dublin pub to be demolished

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/pubs-ireland-donnybrook-dublin-property-19663193

Dublin City Council has given the green light to demolish the popular pub, Kiely’s in Donnybrook, to make way for a shared co-living accommodation scheme.

But just look at who spoke out about this development.

Lord Mayor of Dublin, Cllr Hazel Chu (Green Party), Chris Andrews TD (SF), Senator Ivana Bacik (Lab) and Cllr Dermot Lacey (Lab) have objected against the six-story plan.

While there nothing but silence from our big two parties. They all keep quiet, while their developer buddies and donors get rich.

Crooks, every last one of them.

Great to see housing being built.

James Brown · 21-01-2021 1:57am

blanch152 wrote: »

Great to see housing being built.

If a race to the bottom to make money off misery is housing.

Allowing profiteering off shared accommodation tenements will only mean more profits for less quality.
Lowering the bar for cronies.

markodaly · 21-01-2021 1:59am

blanch152 wrote: »

Great to see housing being built.

Agreed, but the misery merchants will try and pick holes at this housing plan, actually any housing plan.

They think unicorns and rainbows exist when it comes to housing, living in a fantasy wonderland most of them are.

James Brown · 21-01-2021 2:11am

markodaly wrote: »

Agreed, but the misery merchants will try and pick holes at this housing plan, actually any housing plan.

They think unicorns and rainbows exist when it comes to housing, living in a fantasy wonderland most of them are.

It's FF/FG offering 25 year leased luxury D4 apartments to people on low/no income.

These over priced tenements will merely mean a low quality of living for single low/no income people.

Anything above a cardboard box is technically better, if that's the goal.

markodaly · 21-01-2021 2:21am

Bowie wrote: »

It's FF/FG offering 25 year leased luxury D4 apartments to people on low/no income.

These over priced tenements will merely mean a low quality of living for single low/no income people.

Anything above a cardboard box is technically better, if that's the goal.

LOL

Cant even be consistent in the same post.

21-01-2021 2:32am

Bowie wrote:

It's FF/FG offering 25 year leased luxury D4 apartments to people on low/no income.
.

Hellish.

If they don't want one I'll take one :pac:

markodaly · 21-01-2021 2:36am

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Hellish.

If they don't want one I'll take one :pac:

No, you didn't hear him properly in the midst of his inane rant.

These are luxury low-cost D4 tenements..... makes sense right?

Fann Linn · 21-01-2021 9:35am

Golfgate investigation handed over to DPP. Hasn't gone away yet.

21-01-2021 10:07am

Bowie wrote: »

A return to tenements is not welcome.

A tenement was a rundown building with no sanitation, families living in one room.
These new buildings will be for single occupancy, similar to student accommodation, en-suite, communal living areas. About as far removed from tenements as you can get. Yes, they won’t suit everyone, but as a stepping stone for new graduates, first time workers, they will be perfect.

McMurphy · 21-01-2021 10:23am

markodaly wrote: »

No, you didn't hear him properly in the midst of his inane rant.

These are luxury low-cost D4 tenements..... makes sense right?

I think you need your sarcasm detector needs recalibrated mark.

21-01-2021 12:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Can you gauramtee there wont ever be families end up staying in these rooms.....looks like a thin edge of wedge by FFG to force the poor and those on HAP back into tenaments to me anyway

How about thinking positive.
You say Tenements.
I say a step up from student accommodation. It won’t suit everyone, but I’ll bet that there’ll be 100% occupancy as soon as they’re ready.

blanch152 · 21-01-2021 12:30pm

Bowie wrote: »

A return to tenements is not welcome.

They are far from tenements!! Hilarious.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 12:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How about thinking positive.
You say Tenements.
I say a step up from student accommodation. It won’t suit everyone, but I’ll bet that there’ll be 100% occupancy as soon as they’re ready.

How about 'thinking' full stop?

Do not cause bigger problems and don't fall for people taking advantage for personal gain during a crisis.

smurgen · 21-01-2021 12:42pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How about thinking positive.
You say Tenements.
I say a step up from student accommodation. It won’t suit everyone, but I’ll bet that there’ll be 100% occupancy as soon as they’re ready.

Proper planning and calls for joint up thinking labelled negative. That's negative to me.

21-01-2021 12:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How about 'thinking' full stop?

Do not cause bigger problems and don't fall for people taking advantage for personal gain during a crisis.

Try looking at the bigger picture. Not everyone wants to live in a 4 bed semi detached house in suburbia. These properties would be a perfect stepping stone for a young person setting out who doesn’t want a houseshare or apartment/house. Try “Yes, we can” instead of nitpicking every possible solution.

Melanchthon · 21-01-2021 12:51pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Try looking at the bigger picture. Not everyone wants to live in a 4 bed semi detached house in suburbia. These properties would be a perfect stepping stone for a young person setting out who doesn’t want a houseshare or apartment/house. Try “Yes, we can” instead of nitpicking every possible solution.

We had a solution, it was bedsits, they weren't great but they were considerably cheaper and had more privacy than the co-living type developments.
Guess who got rid of them (fg) and increased rents.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 12:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Try looking at the bigger picture. Not everyone wants to live in a 4 bed semi detached house in suburbia. These properties would be a perfect stepping stone for a young person setting out who doesn’t want a houseshare or apartment/house. Try “Yes, we can” instead of nitpicking every possible solution.

The bigger picture also includes - problems down the road because the development was unsustainable and someone having a 'surplus of sterling' because normal planning criteria was overlooked.

21-01-2021 1:17pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The bigger picture also includes - problems down the road because the development was unsustainable and someone having a 'surplus of sterling' because normal planning criteria was overlooked.

Have you a link to that?

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 1:20pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you a link to that?

To 'the bigger picture'? No, I don't. Do you?

21-01-2021 1:27pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

To 'the bigger picture'? No, I don't. Do you?

The bigger picture is the creation of 90 living spaces. Serviced, concierge, on site laundry, kitchen, work spaces. Accommodation suitable for young people or older single people who don’t want/need bigger spaces.
Here’s one source. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/dublin-city-council-gives-green-light-to-co-living-scheme-at-kiely-s-of-donnybrook-1.4462252
I’m sure the planning office would have any additional info that you might need.

Your vision of the bigger picture is just negative thinking. Try positivity.

FrancieBrady · 21-01-2021 1:30pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The bigger picture is the creation of 90 living spaces. Serviced, concierge, on site laundry, kitchen, work spaces. Accommodation suitable for young people or older single people who don’t want/need bigger spaces.
Here’s one source. https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/dublin-city-council-gives-green-light-to-co-living-scheme-at-kiely-s-of-donnybrook-1.4462252
I’m sure the planning office would have any additional info that you might need.

Your vision of the bigger picture is just negative thinking. Try positivity.

Sorry to burst your bubble of positive thinking but good public representation has to consider the 'entire' bigger picture and balance it, in the public interest.

21-01-2021 1:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Sorry to burst your bubble of positive thinking but good public representation has to consider the 'entire' bigger picture and balance it, in the public interest.

And what’s better for the public interest than a wide variety of accommodation?

21-01-2021 1:50pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How about we do things properly,instead of half arsed as usual

What other country wants to move families back into tenaments.....can you gaurantee 100% no families will be moved into these?

I dont think your claim of 100% occupency is the win you think it is,its an indictment of the state the government have left the housing situation in

Why cant we have proper state led,affordable housing schemes,instead of passing off 19th century failed housing methods,as the great leap forward???

Is there an ounce of commonsense in ffg membership

Who said families or tenements? Serviced living quarters are far removed from tenements! Why would a family move into one of these when they’re not suitable for their needs?

FG to still just do nothing for the next 5 years - part 2

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