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Gynoid · 24-01-2020 5:03pm #1

*A 16 year old girl from Cork was having the craic online and posted a video of herself singing. She is a lesbian and wants to be a pop star. She got some pretty nasty sexual comments back from a young lad and when she rebuffed him he publicly called her a dirty Irish whore, a dirty dyke, and so on. He then said he was a Catholic. The girl responded by saying I hate all religions, Catholicism is full of hate, I have no time for any of it, your priests rape children, your nuns kill babies.

The internet went mad. Some lads went online and published the girls name, address and where she goes to school. Hundreds if not thousands of homophobic and misogynistic threats were posted online against her, calling for her to be hunted down, raped, attacked and killed. Really vile stuff.

The local cops visited the girl in school and told her to leave and to go immediately into hiding. They told her family to be careful of their security. There are efforts being made now to find those who have threatened her with death. She says she has nothing against any type of people, she just really hates religion, and that she speaks her mind and should be allowed to do so.

Terrible thing to happen. Sure, she could have been less crude, but she is a stroppy fiery girl and she does not like creeps perving on her, she does not like homophobic attacks on her and she also does not like religion, like many before her.

*This did not really happen in Cork.

But it did really happen elsewhere, the girl is French, the boy said he is a Muslim. I think it is just as bad as if the fictional scenario happened. Do you?

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/french-teenager-in-hiding-after-insulting-islam-online-0vl5hrs0m

Eric Cartman · 24-01-2020 5:05pm

the amount of people who probably had replies written out using the words 'far right' 'incel' and describing it as a religious fuelled hate crime then read the last line of your post and just backed away from the thread....

is_that_so · 24-01-2020 5:12pm

Je ne suis pas pour l'un ou l'autre. It really is a modern condition. One person is edgy, people hit back, person one gets offended and lashes out. Cue the worst of the internet by a braindead mob. It's repeated day in day out online. All the child can do is refer it to those who may be able to do something.

WrenBoy · 24-01-2020 5:22pm

If your account is true, the message the police are sending here is basically if you don't want any trouble from these people keep your mouth shut, don't stand up for yourself and let them abuse you because you don't follow their strict rules.
Better cover your face too to be safe.

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 5:27pm

My point really is the advent in parts of Europe of new Blasphemy rules by any other name. A 16 year old girl has gone into hiding fearing for her life. There is essentially a fatwa on her head. This is a state of affairs worthy of note in any democracy.

is_that_so · 24-01-2020 5:42pm

Gynoid wrote: »

My point really is the advent in parts of Europe of new Blasphemy rules by any other name. A 16 year old girl has gone into hiding fearing for her life. There is essentially a fatwa on her head. This is a state of affairs worthy of note in any democracy.

However poorly or dubiously others may behave, this fictitious chain of events was put in motion by the poor decisions of a very young person on social media.

24-01-2020 5:47pm

is_that_so wrote: »

However poorly or dubiously others may behave, this fictitious chain of events was put in motion by the poor decisions of a very young person on social media.

Is this what is referred to usually as "victim blaming"?

is_that_so · 24-01-2020 5:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Is this what is referred to usually as "victim blaming"?

There is no blame to assign to her, just a description of the events and consequences, sadly predictable.

buried · 24-01-2020 5:54pm

Gynoid wrote: »

The internet went mad.

When this happens, then its time to ignore

is_that_so · 24-01-2020 5:56pm

buried wrote: »

When this happens, then its time to ignore

A whole lot do not and have invested much of their life in it.

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 6:03pm

is_that_so wrote: »

However poorly or dubiously others may behave, this fictitious chain of events was put in motion by the poor decisions of a very young person on social media.

There is not a week goes past that I do not read equally strident views on boards about other religions. Is the expression of those opinions all the poor decisions of very young people, or do people feel on boards feel free to express themselves however vehemently without fear of death and rape threat?

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 6:05pm

buried wrote: »

When this happens, then its time to ignore

Many do not do context very well. Or import. Or nuance. That's okay. They rely on casual irony and apathy instead. It is the modern way.

MMXX · 24-01-2020 6:07pm

Gynoid wrote: »

But it did really happen elsewhere, the girl is French, the boy said he is a Muslim. I think it is just as bad as if the fictional scenario happened. Do you?

Yes, it is definitely just as bad - but it is also remarkably different.

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 6:10pm

MMXX wrote: »

Yes, it is definitely just as bad - but it is also remarkably different.

In what way?

MMXX · 24-01-2020 6:10pm

Gynoid wrote: »

In what way?

I am not biting.

suicide_circus · 24-01-2020 6:12pm

the amount of people who shrugged their shoulders and intimated the charlie hebdo journalists had it coming was an eye opener

is_that_so · 24-01-2020 6:14pm

Gynoid wrote: »

There is not a week goes past that I do not read equally strident views on boards about other religions. Is the expression of those opinions all the poor decisions of very young people, or do people feel on boards feel free to express themselves however vehemently without fear of death and rape threat?

The difference on Boards and other such forums is that we are not really free to say what we want. The restrictions help us learn, well some of us. In social media it's a real swamp with people vying to outdo each other and forming mobs. Add in the finely honed sense of outrage and increasing intolerance of opinions of others nothing is at all surprising. In your example what "happened" is completely wrong, illegal and deserves punishment. I can see how someone might be offended at such carte blanche opinions and they are entitled to feel that way. Acting on it in a way that affects another person is not acceptable

24-01-2020 6:17pm

MMXX wrote: »

I am not biting.

You mean, you aren't going to explain yourself because you can't without coming across hypocritical?

MMXX · 24-01-2020 6:21pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You mean, you aren't going to explain yourself because you can't without coming across hypocritical?

No, because I don't care - nor do I have the energy, to defend myself against accusations of Islamophobia, should I have indeed attempted to explain the difference.

LaFuton · 24-01-2020 6:21pm

free speech doesn't include vile crude attacks on people's faith. pity we dont stand up for ourselves anymore we wouldn't have a terminal nation.
oh and while im piss3d off... 16 year old homosexual? thats just bad parenting.

meeeeh · 24-01-2020 6:29pm

So how many of you have fatva on your head because of your criticism of muslim religion? Or is it maybe very relevant that she is lesbian and a woman and threatening behaviour against women online is popular sport?

I absolutely despise religious fundamentalism and I think as many of those who threatened her should be prosecuted. However let's not pretend tha nonmuslims don't threaten women with all sorts of violence. Thank you for highlighting what young women are subjected online to when they rebuff someone's advances.

24-01-2020 6:30pm

LaFuton wrote: »

oh and while im piss3d off... 16 year old homosexual? thats just bad parenting.

Do you think people *just become gay* at 18? What?

Of course there's homosexuals aged 16, (and, shock, horror!) EVEN YOUNGER THAN THAT.

Unless you think being gay is a choice? If so, how old were you when you decided to be straight?

24-01-2020 6:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Do you think people *just become gay* at 18? What?

Of course there's homosexuals aged 16, (and, shock, horror!) EVEN YOUNGER THAN THAT.

Unless you think being gay is a choice? If so, how old were you when you decided to be straight?

I wouldn't bother if I were you. Best left under the bridge.

24-01-2020 6:49pm

meeeeh wrote: »

So how many of you have fatva on your head because of your criticism of muslim religion? Or is it maybe very relevant that she is lesbian and a woman and threatening behaviour against women online is popular sport?

I absolutely despise religious fundamentalism and I think as many of those who threatened her should be prosecuted. However let's not pretend tha nonmuslims don't threaten women with all sorts of violence. Thank you for highlighting what young women are subjected online to when they rebuff someone's advances.

Jesus Christ. That is what you took from this? You are going to try turn this into a feminist thread?

You should really be ashamed of yourself.

James Brown · 24-01-2020 6:53pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

the amount of people who shrugged their shoulders and intimated the charlie hebdo journalists had it coming was an eye opener

Neither did the people that happened to be nearby when Cherlie Hebdo was being so brave.

SexBobomb · 24-01-2020 6:54pm

LaFuton wrote: »

free speech doesn't include vile crude attacks on people's faith.

You might not like it but it absolutely does. The ability to criticise ideologies is a must if you believe in freedom of speech.

splinter65 · 24-01-2020 6:55pm

MMXX wrote: »

Yes, it is definitely just as bad - but it is also remarkably different.

You’ll have to tell us why he’s excused if he’s a Muslim but not excused if he’s catholic. Otherwise you’ll appear religiously bigoted. Not a good look for anyone.

suicide_circus · 24-01-2020 6:57pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Neither did the people that happened to be nearby when Cherlie Hebdo was being so brave.

tried reading that a few times, cant make any sense of it

James Brown · 24-01-2020 6:58pm

suicide_circus wrote: »

tried reading that a few times, cant make any sense of it

Re: asking for it/had it coming.

SexBobomb · 24-01-2020 6:58pm

meeeeh wrote: »

So how many of you have fatva on your head because of your criticism of muslim religion? Or is it maybe very relevant that she is lesbian and a woman and threatening behaviour against women online is popular sport?

...... However let's not pretend tha nonmuslims don't threaten women with all sorts of violence. Thank you for highlighting what young women are subjected online to when they rebuff someone's advances.

Didn't take long for the whatabouters and apologists, yes it's not Islam , it's ALL men. what about the muslim women who believe she deserves the threats, and calls to violence ?

24-01-2020 6:59pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Re: asking for it/had it coming.

I still can't follow

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 7:02pm

SexBobomb wrote: »

You might not like it but it absolutely does. The ability to criticise ideologies is a must if you believe in freedom of speech.

100%.
I find attacks on any religion distasteful though I belong to none. Some of the crudity aimed against the Christian religion, for example, makes me cringe. I feel the same way about crude attacks against Islam - it is impolite and crass. But I completely believe in the right of all people to express their sentiments against all or any religion or polotical ideology. No one has to uphold my personal standard of habitual restraint. To think that there are religious adherents who will issue rape and death threats against any insult to their belief system is anathema to me.

Quantum Erasure · 24-01-2020 7:03pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Jesus Christ. That is what you took from this? You are going to try turn this into a feminist thread?

You should really be ashamed of yourself.

yeah, this is the muslim bashing thread

24-01-2020 7:05pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

yeah, this is the muslim bashing thread

Not at all. It is a thread which may be critical of Islam and extremists who want to shut down any criticism of it.

I wouldn't agree with anyone generalising that all muslims are bad.

But if you feel that any criticism of Islam is "muslim-bashing" then you are entitled to be wrong.

James Brown · 24-01-2020 7:07pm

Gynoid wrote: »

100%.
I find attacks on any religion distasteful though I belong to none. Some of the crudity aimed against the Christian religion, for example, makes me cringe. I feel the same way about crude attacks against Islam - it is impolite and crass. But I completely believe in the right of all people to express their sentiments against all or any religion or polotical ideology. No one has to uphold my personal standard of habitual restraint. To think that there are religious adherents who will issue rape and death threats against any insult to their belief system is anathema to me.

So what's the point of the thread again?

24-01-2020 7:09pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So what's the point of the thread again?

I found it to show that there is a certain hypocrisy on how people tolerate violence and intimidation from certain extremists based on the religion that they practice and how it isn't accepted when it is a different religion.

But I suppose you don't think we should have this conversation as it is "muslim bashing" judging by the post you thanked?

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 7:10pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

So what's the point of the thread again?

I disagree with blasphemy rules creeping in by any means.
Or do you agree with blasphemy rules, laws or customs? Perhaps you do.

Quantum Erasure · 24-01-2020 7:13pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I found it to show that there is a certain hypocrisy on how people tolerate violence and intimidation from certain extremists based on the religion that they practice and how it isn't accepted when it is a different religion.

fair enough, I thought it was about the poor girl being threatened, maybe I should be ashamed of myself

James Brown · 24-01-2020 7:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I found it to show that there is a certain hypocrisy on how people tolerate violence and intimidation from certain extremists based on the religion that they practice and how it isn't accepted when it is a different religion.

But I suppose you don't think we should have this conversation as it is "muslim bashing" judging by the post you thanked?

I don't follow.

24-01-2020 7:15pm

Quantum Erasure wrote: »

fair enough, I thought it was about the poor girl being threatened, maybe I should be ashamed of myself

No need to be ashamed of yourself; just maybe read the opening post a little more carefully.

24-01-2020 7:15pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I don't follow.

It's ok.

James Brown · 24-01-2020 7:18pm

Gynoid wrote: »

I disagree with blasphemy rules creeping in by any means.
Or do you agree with blasphemy rules, laws or customs? Perhaps you do.

I think all religion should be private and have zero bearing on any state or people unless they choose to follow which ever book of fantasy is to their liking.

I think the point of the thread actually is, 'Bad people do bad things. Bad things are bad'. I agree.

The con version however, 'Not all Muslims, but aren't Muslims bad? Not all, but, Muslims, am I right?'

24-01-2020 7:23pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think all religion should be private and have zero bearing on any state or people unless they choose to follow which ever book of fantasy is to their liking.

I think the point of the thread actually is, 'Bad people do bad things. Bad things are bad'. I agree.

The con version however, 'Not all Muslims, but aren't Muslims bad? Not all, but, Muslims, am I right?'

Who has said that?

James Brown · 24-01-2020 7:25pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Who has said that?

I did. My name is right there. You even quoted me.
'I think', kind of gives it away.

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 7:28pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I think all religion should be private and have zero bearing on any state or people unless they choose to follow which ever book of fantasy is to their liking.

I think the point of the thread actually is, 'Bad people do bad things. Bad things are bad'. I agree.

Personally I would like to see robust enforcement of anti blasphemy laws in all modern European democracies. To have declared social policies that will not tolerate the imposition of any religious ideologies on civil society. For people in government, judiciary, policing to make clear that they will not tolerate any creep of religious ideology into civil life. No fatwas, no FGM, no compulsory veiling or special clothing, no private religious courts, no prevention of women from entering cafes or public facilities in any part of any city, no marriage with minors, perhaps even no consanguineal marriage given the burden on public healthcare.
But yeah, start with the basics like not having young girls afraid to say fcuk you in however way they see fit.

James Brown · 24-01-2020 7:51pm

Gynoid wrote: »

Personally I would like to see robust enforcement of anti blasphemy laws in all modern European democracies. To have declared social policies that will not tolerate the imposition of any religious ideologies on civil society. For people in government, judiciary, policing to make clear that they will not tolerate any creep of religious ideology into civil life. No fatwas, no FGM, no compulsory veiling or special clothing, no private religious courts, no prevention of women from entering cafes or public facilities in any part of any city, no marriage with minors, perhaps even no consanguineal marriage given the burden on public healthcare.
But yeah, start with the basics like not having young girls afraid to say fcuk you in however way they see fit.

And if anyone attacks that girl the law will be on them. Same with any other criminal despite their reasons. So no worries.

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 8:05pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

And if anyone attacks that girl the law will be on them. Same with any other criminal despite their reasons. So no worries.

It does not worry you that in 2020 in Europe a young person has to go into hiding from death and rape threats because she criticised a religion?
The aggressors will be dealt with if they rape or kill her.
Okay. Good to know your opinion.

CrankyHaus · 24-01-2020 8:28pm

No need for fatwas over here soon.
Simply report the teenage girl for hate speech and let the justice system silence her.

Obvious Desperate Breakfasts · 24-01-2020 8:39pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I found it to show that there is a certain hypocrisy on how people tolerate violence and intimidation from certain extremists based on the religion that they practice and how it isn't accepted when it is a different religion.

But I suppose you don't think we should have this conversation as it is "muslim bashing" judging by the post you thanked?

Right... but it seems that the OP is trying to prove that this hypocrisy exists and that will be tough to do on a thread such as this, as everyone who is sickened by the treatment of this girl might not post about it. I doubt there’ll be many people defending the treatment of the girl. If the exact same incident happened in Ireland (not the Catholic version), can you see people shrugging their shoulders?

It’s an inelegant thought experiment, IMO.

biko · 24-01-2020 8:47pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgbJLO6XmQw

In French

Gynoid · 24-01-2020 8:51pm

biko wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgbJLO6XmQw

In French

Malheureusement je ne peut pas comprendre le video parce qu'ils parlent trop vite pour moi

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