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S2S Cycleway - northside

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  • #152
    magicbastarder
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    i was cycling along it yesterday trying to decide which option i'd prefer - leaving them there or removing them. it's quite pretty looking.


  • #153
    buffalo
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    Today's IT; http://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/work-on-5m-clontarf-section-of-dublin-bay-cycle-path-starts-1.2218425
    Construction of the €5 million“missing link” of the Dublin Bay cycle path is starting this week, more than a decade after planning of the route began.

    ...

    Work is starting this week on the west side of the road, not the seaward side, and will continue until the end of July. Work on the coastal side of the road will begin in the autumn. The full scheme is due for completion in July 2016.


  • #154
    magicbastarder
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    what work are they doing on the west side?


  • #155
    tmq
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    The article is a bit unclear, it says the missing 2km will be finished in July 2016, and then it says the whole scheme will be..... wonder which?


  • #156
    mrcheez
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    tmq wrote: »
    The article is a bit unclear, it says the missing 2km will be finished in July 2016, and then it says the whole scheme will be..... wonder which?

    The whole scheme will take a decade at least to complete. Aren't there still people blocking proposed sections along the southern route?


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  • #157
    monument
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    magicbastarder wrote: »
    what work are they doing on the west side?

    The whole road is being redesigned / reconfigured.


  • #158
    Pigeon Reaper
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    The €5 Million is misleading. A water main is being put in under under the road and the road foundation is being redone and unpinned as it is in danger of collapse. The cycle lane itself is a relatively minor part of the works.


  • #159
    magicbastarder
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    i've heard the new section is going to be a maglev section, so your bike will float along. unless of course it's a carbon or aluminium frame, in which case, you'll drop through onto the mudflats below.


  • #160
    Mercian Pro
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    Bit ridiculous that the first sign you meet heading towards Howth tells you the (advisory) cycle lane is closed. I had hoped they would divert the cycle path through the edge of St Anne's for the duration of the works but that would probably need the Roads Department to talk with the Parks Department. No such luck.


  • #161
    mrcheez
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    Bit ridiculous that the first sign you meet heading towards Howth tells you the (advisory) cycle lane is closed. I had hoped they would divert the cycle path through the edge of St Anne's for the duration of the works but that would probably need the Roads Department to talk with the Parks Department. No such luck.

    I'd rather take my chances with the cars than the dogwalkers and militant joggers


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  • #162
    RobertFoster
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    mrcheez wrote: »
    I'd rather take my chances with the cars than the dogwalkers and militant joggers
    Are they any relation to the militant cyclists I keep hearing about? :p


  • #163
    Raam
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    Bit ridiculous that the first sign you meet heading towards Howth tells you the (advisory) cycle lane is closed. I had hoped they would divert the cycle path through the edge of St Anne's for the duration of the works but that would probably need the Roads Department to talk with the Parks Department. No such luck.

    Why would you want us all to cycle through the park on a footpath?


  • #164
    monument
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    Raam wrote: »
    Why would you want us all to cycle through the park on a footpath?

    I'm guessing he's talking about a possable temporary cycle path detour as they often (but not always) do in the Netherlands:

    http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/08/four-more-examples-of-how-to-preserve.html?m=1


  • #165
    Raam
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    monument wrote: »
    I'm guessing he's talking about a possable temporary cycle path detour as they often (but not always) do in the Netherlands:

    http://www.aviewfromthecyclepath.com/2014/08/four-more-examples-of-how-to-preserve.html?m=1

    The diversion in this case would be more awkward than continuing to ride on the road.


  • #166
    Mercian Pro
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    Raam wrote: »
    The diversion in this case would be more awkward than continuing to ride on the road.

    Maybe for you and I Raam but there are a lot of others who use that route who won't fancy being pushed out into a narrowed car lane. The path immediately inside the park (and the footpath on that side of the road) are very lightly used by pedestrians and could easily have been adapted as a dedicated outbound cycle path years ago.
    I know it would still leave a problem on the stretch nearer the bridge but, as a temporary measure, for most cyclists it's better and safer than the on-road option.
    Thanks monument for the Dutch link.


  • #167
    Raam
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    Maybe for you and I Raam but there are a lot of others who use that route who won't fancy being pushed out into a narrowed car lane. The path immediately inside the park (and the footpath on that side of the road) are very lightly used by pedestrians and could easily have been adapted as a dedicated outbound cycle path years ago.
    I know it would still leave a problem on the stretch nearer the bridge but, as a temporary measure, for most cyclists it's better and safer than the on-road option.
    Thanks monument for the Dutch link.

    Well that's grand, you can head off through the park right now if you want anyway. But if they redirected the cycle track through it then our motoring brethren might expect everyone to use it and not be as understanding during the works.


  • #168
    Mercian Pro
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    Raam wrote: »
    Well that's grand, you can head off through the park right now if you want anyway. But if they redirected the cycle track through it then our motoring brethren might expect everyone to use it and not be as understanding during the works.

    Good luck with the understanding. I seem to have missed it any time I try to cross over at that spot to the cycle path.


  • #169
    Raam
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    Good luck with the understanding. I seem to have missed it any time I try to cross over at that spot to the cycle path.

    The only time I cross there is when it's totally clear, otherwise I go up to the lights.


  • #170
    awec
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    What bits of the cycle path are currently closed?

    Cycling on the road is ok, the concrete can be a bit bumpy. But when you get close to the Clontarf end the traffic can get a bit whacky.


  • #171
    Mercian Pro
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    awec wrote: »
    What bits of the cycle path are currently closed?

    Cycling on the road is ok, the concrete can be a bit bumpy. But when you get close to the Clontarf end the traffic can get a bit whacky.

    The last 100m or so of the road section near the Causeway on the park side. Looks like they intend working their way back towards the Bridge this year and then tackling the sea side next year.


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  • #172
    mrcheez
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    Mercian Pro wrote: »
    Good luck with the understanding. I seem to have missed it any time I try to cross over at that spot to the cycle path.
    Raam wrote: »
    The only time I cross there is when it's totally clear, otherwise I go up to the lights.

    This. Apart from being dangerous to cross mid-way, people pulling up suddenly to cross here force other cyclists out into the road. Crossing at the traffic lights is safer for all.

    As for the section in question, just take the lane (giving advance warning to cars behind of course) and it will solve any dangerous close-calls.


  • #173
    awec
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    I take it you are talking about the bit when heading Howth-bound when the Cycle lane just re-appears through a hole in the wall on the right hand side?

    I always just go to the crossroads and take the right turn onto Causeway road and rejoin the path there. Just get onto the road itself when you're getting close and cycle as if you were a car (i.e. in the middle of the lane so nobody tries to be cheeky).


  • #174
    mrcheez
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    Pretty much what I said :)


  • #175
    cdaly_
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    mrcheez wrote: »
    As for the section in question, just take the lane (giving advance warning to cars behind of course) and it will solve any dangerous close-calls.

    I've been taking the lane pretty much from Wongs traffic lights (or a bit further on). No problem turning into the off-road cycle lane as I'm mid lane already...


  • #176
    Mercian Pro
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    Just shows that cyclists are all individuals and everyone has their own way of doing things. I enjoy the cycle path so much more than the road so I try to get over on to it as soon as possible. There have been times where I can't find a gap and end up going on to the lights.

    Discovered the other night why the outbound lane at the roadworks doesn't seem too narrow - they have done away with the inbound cycle lane and moved the two traffic lanes and centre-line over. Heading into town, the sharp left turn onto the road from the cyclepath is even more dangerous than before.


  • #177
    BrianHenryIE
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    Irish Times: Residents say Clontarf sea wall construction must be stopped
    Independent councillor Damian O’Farrell has asked council chief executive Owen Keegan to stop work until after an information meeting scheduled for November 5th, but he said he had yet to receive a response.
    “The information given to residents clearly wasn’t good enough. I also think it was disingenuous to put flood defences in with the cycle project. ..."

    The council said it was aware of residents’ concerns and that engineering staff would be discussing the matter in advance of the November 5th meeting.

    And on YouTube: STOP the Sea wall, Dollymount (not talking about cycling)


  • #178
    lennymc
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    what do we want?
    flood defences
    when do we want it?
    As tall as the existing ones that dont work.....


  • #179
    Johnnio13
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    Damian O'Farrell is a trouble maker. Anything to keep his flag flying.
    Sorry I've no time for him and he really annoys me with the mindless comments he makes.

    arghh!


  • #180
    brocbrocach
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 890 ✭✭✭brocbrocach


    Finian "Friend to the Elderly" McGrath is also a known agitator on this question.


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  • #181
    Carawaystick
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    Finian "Friend to the Elderly" McGrath is also a known agitator on this question.

    He's no friend of 2 wheels anyway


  • #182
    Raam
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    Shout-out to the gentleman manning the stop/go sign on the Howth side for always giving cyclists a little head start.


  • #183
    Mec-a-nic
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    brian.henry wrote: »
    Irish Times: "I also think it was disingenuous to put flood defences in with the cycle project. ..."

    Ah now, it's not like they are pushing through a road project in the guise of a cyclepath. I believe three projects (sea wall, new pipeline, S2S) were aligned to cause minimum roadworks disruption, and still people complain?

    Finally, a 1 metre high wall that walkers, cyclists and bus users can see over... but people in cars cannot, boo hoo..


  • #184
    brocbrocach
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    Mec-a-nic wrote: »
    Ah now, it's not like they are pushing through a road project in the guise of a cyclepath. I believe three projects (sea wall, new pipeline, S2S) were aligned to cause minimum roadworks disruption, and still people complain?

    Finally, a 1 metre high wall that walkers, cyclists and bus users can see over... but people in cars cannot, boo hoo..


    If you could trust them to be doing everything right and that this was the only option ... but you can't.
    I've never seen any proper flooding along by St Anne's and there's no housing there yet the wall (looks higher than a metre to me?) is going to block off that whole lovely view of the lagoon there.
    There's little enough that's nice in this world. Why not keep some of it?
    Unfortunately this has all been manouevered to make opposition to one element opposition to all, probably deliberately. The cycleway is now part of an unpopular imposition on the area.


  • #185
    Raam
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    If you could trust them to be doing everything right and that this was the only option ... but you can't.
    I've never seen any proper flooding along by St Anne's and there's no housing there yet the wall (looks higher than a metre to me?) is going to block off that whole lovely view of the lagoon there.
    There's little enough that's nice in this world. Why not keep some of it?
    Unfortunately this has all been manouevered to make opposition to one element opposition to all, probably deliberately. The cycleway is now part of an unpopular imposition on the area.

    I have, plenty of times.


  • #186
    monument
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    Mec-a-nic wrote: »
    Ah now, it's not like they are pushing through a road project in the guise of a cyclepath. I believe three projects (sea wall, new pipeline, S2S) were aligned to cause minimum roadworks disruption, and still people complain?

    Trying to call the Liffey Cycle Route a "road project" as if it was some kind of promotion of car space is disingenuous or ill-informed.

    The project takes space from general traffic lanes and car parking spaces.


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  • #187
    brocbrocach
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    Raam wrote: »
    I have, plenty of times.

    Ok, fair nuff. Do you mean tidal flooding at the causeway cross?
    What I've seen could be made harmless enough with better drainage and a bit of work the road.


  • #188
    Effects
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    Raam wrote: »
    I have, plenty of times.

    But it hasn't come from the sea.


  • #189
    cdaly_
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    brocbrocach wrote: »
    the wall (looks higher than a metre to me?) is going to block off that whole lovely view of the lagoon there.

    If you look at the wall under construction, the black painted bit will be underground. Only the unpainted bit will be a wall above the bike lane surface. It's no higher than the wall further east around Bayside...


  • #190
    Squeaksoutloud
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    cdaly_ wrote: »
    If you look at the wall under construction, the black painted bit will be underground. Only the unpainted bit will be a wall above the bike lane surface. It's no higher than the wall further east around Bayside...

    That looks correct. The finished footpath level will be above the black line so wall will be quite low in reality. From reading all the information to date the wall gets a bit higher before getting very low once you reach the end of St. Annes Park / Mount Prospect Avenue.


  • #191
    brocbrocach
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    That's good news!
    Will they raise the road level as well or will the track be above the road like in bayside?


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  • #192
    cdaly_
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    I suspect track above road though, given the height of the new footpath on the park side of the road I would expect there'll be an extra 50mm in the road height with the new surface...


  • #193
    mattdi22le
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    Have been reading this forum for a few months now, new to cycling only at it 6 months on a road bike and before that 12 months on a hybrid, got my first puncture on sat morn after about 2000km around Dublin to date, about 8-10 cyclists passed me on the new road from Lucan to Tallaght just after the Naas road flyover I was Lucan bound, every one of them slowed and asked if I was ok, had everything etc......

    very encouraging and prob doesn't happen in any other group on the road.

    Nice one if it was you.


  • #194
    mattdi22le
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    Have been reading this forum for a few months now, new to cycling only at it 6 months on a road bike and before that 12 months on a hybrid, got my first puncture on sat morn after about 2000km around Dublin to date, about 8-10 cyclists passed me on the new road from Lucan to Tallaght just after the Naas road flyover I was Lucan bound, every one of them slowed and asked if I was ok, had everything etc......

    very encouraging and prob doesn't happen in any other group on the road.

    Nice one if it was you.

    sh*t, wrong thread !!


  • #195
    mathie
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    I was stopped at the nice guy who mans the stop sign this morning going southbound.
    I overheard on his walkie talkie something about "The council are here to look and see if they can raise the road"
    I said to him "Did I hear that right?"
    "Yeah" he says "Great use of taxpayers money"

    An Irish solution and all that.


  • #196
    Raam
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    mathie wrote: »
    I was stopped at the nice guy who mans the stop sign this morning going southbound.
    I overheard on his walkie talkie something about "The council are here to look and see if they can raise the road"
    I said to him "Did I hear that right?"
    "Yeah" he says "Great use of taxpayers money"

    An Irish solution and all that.

    Monster trucks for everyone. Problem solved.


  • #197
    Carawaystick
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    mathie wrote: »
    I was stopped at the nice guy who mans the stop sign this morning going southbound.
    I overheard on his walkie talkie something about "The council are here to look and see if they can raise the road"
    I said to him "Did I hear that right?"
    "Yeah" he says "Great use of taxpayers money"

    An Irish solution and all that.

    This is so people driving cars can look out at the sea instead of looking at the road?

    :eek:


  • #198
    buffalo
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    Carawaystick wrote: »
    This is so people driving cars can look out at the sea instead of looking at the road?

    :eek:

    I do wonder if anyone complaining is part of the same brigade who claim they can't obey the 30kph speed limits in Dublin because they'll spend too long looking at the speedometer...


  • #199
    odyssey06
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    Gosh, you'd imagine cars only have 1 passenger...

    "To follow knowledge like a sinking star..." (Tennyson's Ulysses)



  • #200
    Carawaystick
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    Gosh you'ld imagine the plans weren't published on the internet with time to comment on them long before any construction started.


  • #201
    Rogue-Trooper
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    Dublin City Councillors have passed a motion which says a new sea wall in Clontarf should be no higher than necessary to protect from flooding.
    The council called a full meeting last night to deal with the controversial wall.
    Locals have objected to the construction of the wall along the coastline.
    Councillors also voted to reverse any building work already carried out that goes against the motion.
    Link



    Hmmmm, looks like we could be 'running the gaunlet' at the roadworks for a while yet so.


    Also, that outbound stretch from the wooden bridge to the stop/go system is getting worse every day. There seems to be several new trenches filled with a mound of tarmac every evening - there is no good line to take through it all. My bunny-hopping skills on the road bike are progressing nicely though........


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