Recommend a smart trainer

Macy0161 · 11-11-2020 1:11pm

It probably goes to sleep if left plugged in? My original Hammer does anyway.

dahat · 11-11-2020 1:14pm

Macy0161 wrote: »

It probably goes to sleep if left plugged in? My original Hammer does anyway.

You imagine so by I'm just wary of power spikes etc.

Macy0161 · 11-11-2020 1:18pm

dahat wrote: »

You imagine so by I'm just wary of power spikes etc.

I switch off at the socket on mine anyway. Partly due to my botch job electrical set up where I have it!

dahat · 11-11-2020 1:19pm

Safety first n all that!

clod71 · 14-11-2020 1:47am

I've got a Tacx Neo. It's pretty good.

mitchelsontour · 14-11-2020 2:16am

Anyone get a reconditioned Wahoo Kickr or core?
Any negatives to getting one?

wersal gummage · 15-11-2020 11:16am

I'd previously asked about codes.... Just to update...

Contacted wahoo and they said codes are provided automatically, once per week (Mondays) and to wait... The Monday came and went but no codes, contacted them again and they sent me the codes after a few days, codes for strava, zwift, Rouvy, suffer fest and 3 or 4 others I hadn't heard of.

Another question....

I've the fan set up but still have never sweated anything like this in my life....

Currently washing my asos bibs 3 times a week (after each use), so I'm assuming this will affect their longevity.... Anyone recommend a cheap pair of bibs for the trainer? Also anyone train in just the bibs? I'm wearing a Jersey too but really not sure what purpose it serves, might try without...

Thanks for all the tips so far

joey100 · 15-11-2020 11:55am

What fan are you using??

Get yourself something like this,

https://powercity.ie/product/207684

I use two at the moment and it's great, very little sweat at all.

Air movers get good reviews too, think Cleva might be a brand that sell them, move much more air than a fan. Think usually used by painter decorators so hardware shop might be best bet.

outfox · 15-11-2020 1:01pm

wersal gummage wrote: »

Currently washing my asos bibs 3 times a week (after each use), so I'm assuming this will affect their longevity.... Anyone recommend a cheap pair of bibs for the trainer? Also anyone train in just the bibs?

Do you need to wear padded shorts at all? I don't use zwift. How long is a typical session? I've been using a turbo for years with unpadded shorts, with a typical session about ah hour in duration, so pads not required. Toughens up your derriere too. You can buy a pile of unpadded shorts (any old things), and fire them into the wash repeatedly till they disintegrate.

eeeee · 15-11-2020 1:40pm

outfox wrote: »

Do you need to wear padded shorts at all? I don't use zwift. How long is a typical session? I've been using a turbo for years with unpadded shorts, with a typical session about ah hour in duration, so pads not required. Toughens up your derriere too. You can buy a pile of unpadded shorts (any old things), and fire them into the wash repeatedly till they disintegrate.

Indoor training is much harder on your behind than riding out on the road.
I keep my best shorts for rollers. You're not out of the saddle as much as you would be on the road or track, and you're working at a higher intensity.
Sports pursuit have good shorts on sale often, I like Rivelo shorts.

CramCycle · 15-11-2020 1:41pm

wersal gummage wrote: »

I've the fan set up but still have never sweated anything like this in my life....

Currently washing my asos bibs 3 times a week (after each use), so I'm assuming this will affect their longevity.... Anyone recommend a cheap pair of bibs for the trainer? Also anyone train in just the bibs? I'm wearing a Jersey too but really not sure what purpose it serves, might try without...

Thanks for all the tips so far

Any major online retailer will have own brand stuff that will do the job like DHB with Wiggle etc. Personally I'd stick with what you are using as, no different than outside cycling, I would want what I am comfy with but a total personal choice. 3 times a week, just use short cold washes, non bio, I can't see it shortening the life span that much unless you don't wear them much at all.

outfox wrote: »

Do you need to wear padded shorts at all? I don't use zwift. How long is a typical session? I've been using a turbo for years with unpadded shorts, with a typical session about ah hour in duration, so pads not required. Toughens up your derriere too. You can buy a pile of unpadded shorts (any old things), and fire them into the wash repeatedly till they disintegrate.

If you need pads outdoors, you need them indoors IMO.

dahat · 15-11-2020 1:42pm

outfox wrote: »

Do you need to wear padded shorts at all? I don't use zwift. How long is a typical session? I've been using a turbo for years with unpadded shorts, with a typical session about ah hour in duration, so pads not required. Toughens up your derriere too. You can buy a pile of unpadded shorts (any old things), and fire them into the wash repeatedly till they disintegrate.

The horror of this!!!

Plenty get away without padded shorts but most need them really. The turbo itself means a long time in the same position so a decent chamois plus cream is generally needed.

OP, if you can afford to get new pairs of Asoss do but if not the Galibier range of bibs is very good value.

CramCycle · 15-11-2020 1:45pm

Haven't used cream myself for years but I did used to need it. I once got a golf ball size thing full of pus coming out of my gouch, which I lanced my self and couldn't sit right for awhile. I appreciated the anti bacterial properties of the cream after that till that area became more robust to friction.

wersal gummage · 15-11-2020 2:08pm

outfox wrote: »

Do you need to wear padded shorts at all? I don't use zwift. How long is a typical session? I've been using a turbo for years with unpadded shorts, with a typical session about ah hour in duration, so pads not required. Toughens up your derriere too. You can buy a pile of unpadded shorts (any old things), and fire them into the wash repeatedly till they disintegrate.

Oh I definitely need the pad, I need them out on the road but even more so on the trainer. As others have said there, I find it more intense than regular outdoor spin and working myself a bit harder.

wersal gummage · 15-11-2020 2:10pm

dahat wrote: »

The horror of this!!!

OP, if you can afford to get new pairs of Asoss do but if not the Galibier range of bins is very good value.

Yeah I've picked up a few galibier bits recently and they've been decent, don't know why I didmt think of them, will give this a go

wersal gummage · 15-11-2020 2:12pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Any major online retailer will have own brand stuff that will do the job like DHB with Wiggle etc. Personally I'd stick with what you are using as, no different than outside cycling, I would want what I am comfy with but a total personal choice. 3 times a week, just use short cold washes, non bio, I can't see it shortening the life span that much unless you don't wear them much at all.

If you need pads outdoors, you need them indoors IMO.

I've a few bib tights and jackets from dhb.

Anyone tried le col? Never heard of them until recently, I think they are partnered with wahoo, I'm certainly getting some kind of marketing push towards them anyway, discounts by email etc

MayoSalmon · 15-11-2020 4:30pm

wersal gummage wrote: »

I'd previously asked about codes.... Just to update...

Contacted wahoo and they said codes are provided automatically, once per week (Mondays) and to wait... The Monday came and went but no codes, contacted them again and they sent me the codes after a few days, codes for strava, zwift, Rouvy, suffer fest and 3 or 4 others I hadn't heard of.

Another question....

I've the fan set up but still have never sweated anything like this in my life....

Currently washing my asos bibs 3 times a week (after each use), so I'm assuming this will affect their longevity.... Anyone recommend a cheap pair of bibs for the trainer? Also anyone train in just the bibs? I'm wearing a Jersey too but really not sure what purpose it serves, might try without...

Thanks for all the tips so far

Ah here just buy cheap ones off aliexpress 15 dollars like

saccades · 15-11-2020 8:19pm

wersal gummage wrote: »

I've a few bib tights and jackets from dhb.

Anyone tried le col? Never heard of them until recently, I think they are partnered with wahoo, I'm certainly getting some kind of marketing push towards them anyway, discounts by email etc

Looks ok, easy to get discount via a Strava achievement but too pricey for me even with the discount.

Would rather pearl izumi or sugoi gear.

saccades · 15-11-2020 8:29pm

Anyone using the Elite Qubo B+ (catchy name).

My dumb turbo bearings died and santa has come early for me.

Anything I need to know about this one?

Macy0161 · 16-11-2020 2:01pm

outfox wrote: »

Do you need to wear padded shorts at all? I don't use zwift.

The usual advice is to use your best shorts on the turbo!

I sometimes do half an hour 50% of ftp without shorts, but that'd be it. And that's with a rocker plate.

I use my best shorts for intense workouts/ longer sessions. Easier stuff I use older ones. Part of that is probably mental too - I don't want any excuses for VO2 Max or over/ unders!

I wash my shorts every time I use them - I sweat far more, everywhere, inside than outside. With much less circulation. Less inconvenient washing them than the inconvenience of a saddle sore.

1 pair of "good" galibier shorts are showing wear, but I can't tie that down to the turbo - they're a few years old, and have put in a couple of seasons are my "go to" shorts outside too. If you were wearing them on weekend spin, they'd go in the wash every week (between Galibier, club, "commuter" I've enough shorts that they normally only get worn once a week).

Fiftyplus · 16-11-2020 6:41pm

Hi, Have you still got this? If so, what make/model is it?

Fiftyplus · 16-11-2020 6:43pm

dahat wrote: »

Kickr core ordered & eta mid November which suits really as I'm off season currently. Looking forward to using Zwift with smart control now.

Anyone after a direct drive non smart trainer? &#55356;&#56355;

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dahat · 16-11-2020 7:51pm

Fiftyplus wrote: »

Have you still got this? If so, what make/model is it?

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Sorry, sold it a few days ago.

outfox · 17-11-2020 12:27pm

I'm starting to think ye all have soft aul arses. :pac:
Or else I'm not working hard enough on the turbo.
Probably the latter.

dahat · 18-11-2020 4:10pm

Am i correct in thinking that in order to dual record my session/race i'll need to unpair the Kickr Core from my headunit? Or can the Bolt take data from just the on bike power meter?

I'd like to see how both compare plus have a backup just in case.

Crocked · 19-11-2020 12:50pm

Core as far as I know has dual bluetooth broadcasting as well as ant+, so it should connect to two bluetooth devices and as many ant+ as you want. I triple record workouts, have apple tv connected by bluetooth and the watch and a tablet connected by ant+. Not using a Core though.

edit misread your post. Are you trying to record two separate power sources, eg use your trainer for Zwift and then your power meter for the head unit? If so then yes, pair zwift to the trainer to get sim mode and then select on your head unit the power meter as you would on an outdoor ride. No need to unpair your core from the head unit, so you can connect to it in future without having to add it each time. Just select on the head unit which one you are using when you want to dual record.

dahat · 19-11-2020 1:33pm

Yes, record from Kickr on Zwift and Assimo pedals on headunit.

I unpaired the Kickr from my headunit as i couldn't seem to be able to select which power source to record from.

wersal gummage · 21-01-2021 5:01pm

joey100 wrote: »

Air movers get good reviews too, think Cleva might be a brand that sell them, move much more air than a fan. Think usually used by painter decorators so hardware shop might be best bet.

Ordered one of these at the time, fantastic yoke and makes some difference.

First World problems and all that.... But no remote control. Any tech savy people know if I can get a smart plug that would work? I've seen remote controlled plugs in power city, would that allow me to turn the fan off and on? I understand that it would just be an off/on job and not adjust the fan speed! Just wonder if anyone can recommend any brand before I buy something as I don't really know anything about this, thanks

Kevincavan83 · 23-01-2021 8:08am

wersal gummage wrote: »

Ordered one of these at the time, fantastic yoke and makes some difference.

First World problems and all that.... But no remote control. Any tech savy people know if I can get a smart plug that would work? I've seen remote controlled plugs in power city, would that allow me to turn the fan off and on? I understand that it would just be an off/on job and not adjust the fan speed! Just wonder if anyone can recommend any brand before I buy something as I don't really know anything about this, thanks

https://www.homestoreandmore.ie/electrical/gadgetpro-remote-sockets-twin-pack/075984.html

dazzday · 27-01-2021 4:15pm

Any recommendations for a basic smart turbo trainer that is in stock?

Was looking at the Tacx Smart Flow but cannot find it in stock.

Any thoughs on the Elite Qubo Power Smart B+?

https://shop.feelgoodbicycles.ie/qubo-power-smart-b.html?source=googlebase

CramCycle · 27-01-2021 4:20pm

Cyclesuperstore have the TacX range back in stock today

dazzday · 27-01-2021 4:59pm

CramCycle wrote: »

Cyclesuperstore have the TacX range back in stock today

Is that in store only? Cant seem to see any instock online

CramCycle · 27-01-2021 5:03pm

dazzday wrote: »

Is that in store only? Cant seem to see any instock online

Might be, probably takes a day or so for them to go through pre orders and interested emails before they put the rest up online. I registered my interest in one hence I got a mail when they came in but after thinking it over, I simply hate turbo trainers and seeing as I will never be a pro racer and can always go outside, no matter how boring, I just pulled the plug. Going to buy new wheels instead.

nilhg · 27-01-2021 5:23pm

I'm seeing stock of the new Jetblack Volt appearing,

https://www.jetblackcycling.eu/de/product/jetblack-volt-ems-direct-drive-smart-trainer?action=change_lang&new_lang=en&info=10973

Seems to be a step up on what they've done before, got a decent review from GpLama

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcchKjieoEc&t

The usual caveats about V1 of anything apply

Macy0161 · 27-01-2021 5:49pm

Harry's have posted on Facebook as to having turbo's back in stock. Kickr Snap and a Saris one (not sure Hammer or wheel on).

dinneenp · 27-01-2021 7:31pm

Rose bikes (Germany) have a fee in stock.
https://www.rosebikes.com/bike-accessories/turbo-trainers

ED E · 28-01-2021 9:23am

dinneenp wrote: »

Rose bikes (Germany) have a fee in stock.
https://www.rosebikes.com/bike-accessories/turbo-trainers

When you click through most are available in 4-5 weeks.

MangleBadger · 01-02-2021 9:37pm

So decided I need to join the turbo trainer club. Crap weather and 5k boredom means I’m not getting enough exercise.
Trying to decide between a basic wheel on trainer which I can use my speed/cadence sensors to connect to apps or spend a little more and get a smart wheel on trainer like the elite tuo.
Fear is if I go too cheap it won’t be an enjoyable experience and I’ll end up not using it.

this.lad · 01-02-2021 10:07pm

I've been using the bog standard wheel on magnetic trainer with the power meter connected to rouvy. Found it very enjoyable but, obviously, you dont feel the resistance change properly etc.

You still have to push hard to get a decent time or to chase someone down you see up ahead, but if motivation.

Now my 28 day trial is time to sign herself up or move over to another platform for a free trial, hard set to part with cash when I dont have the real deal setup.

Have never used a smart trainer, I imagine it would be way better but if you are looking to start out I would say fire away on a dumb trainer rather than put it off,

CramCycle · 01-02-2021 10:13pm

MangleBadger wrote: »

So decided I need to join the turbo trainer club. Crap weather and 5k boredom means I’m not getting enough exercise.
Trying to decide between a basic wheel on trainer which I can use my speed/cadence sensors to connect to apps or spend a little more and get a smart wheel on trainer like the elite tuo.
Fear is if I go too cheap it won’t be an enjoyable experience and I’ll end up not using it.

If you can afford it and think you want it, get the wheel off smart trainer. I've had both and while not a trainer/turbo fan, the wheel off one was a huge improvement and if I ever went back, I'd not even consider the wheel option, night and day difference.

DaveyDave · 01-02-2021 10:17pm

CramCycle wrote: »

If you can afford it and think you want it, get the wheel off smart trainer. I've had both and while not a trainer/turbo fan, the wheel off one was a huge improvement and if I ever went back, I'd not even consider the wheel option, night and day difference.

Yeah I'm not big on indoor training but the smart trainer is night and day, it's much more engaging. Grinding away at hills is a lot more fun when it's actually a challenge. I stick to shorter but more frequent spins and some of the 30 minute workouts on Zwift are a killer. Great use of time.

MangleBadger · 01-02-2021 10:49pm

CramCycle wrote: »

If you can afford it and think you want it, get the wheel off smart trainer. I've had both and while not a trainer/turbo fan, the wheel off one was a huge improvement and if I ever went back, I'd not even consider the wheel option, night and day difference.

I would love to go that way but the extra €200+ pushed it outside the budget. Wife is being particularly flexible with this purchase considering we just signed a contract on a house.
Pulled the trigger on the Elite Tuo.

dinneenp · 02-02-2021 1:47pm

MangleBadger wrote: »

So decided I need to join the turbo trainer club. Crap weather and 5k boredom means I’m not getting enough exercise.
Trying to decide between a basic wheel on trainer which I can use my speed/cadence sensors to connect to apps or spend a little more and get a smart wheel on trainer like the elite tuo.
Fear is if I go too cheap it won’t be an enjoyable experience and I’ll end up not using it.

I bought a basic/dumb trainer a few months ago and find it excellent. However I plan to upgrade to a smart wheel off trainer soon.
- I bought a cadence and speed sensor, will need to buy a TT tyre, rear wheel & cassette as I won't change road tyre to TT tyre constantly. I don't know how quickly tyres wear out on TTs but wouldn't feel comfortable on the road with the back of mind thinking will my tyre burst....
- as mentioned Zwift is fun but you do miss out the resistance changing for up/downhill.
- it took me a while to set the resistance properly, it was too tight & couldn't go any looser, had to take the yoke off & screw it on again, mess around with it. With a wheel off trainer you have none of this or wondering if your speed is accurate due to the resistance....

It's a massive jump price-wise, you can ride extremely happily with a dumb trainer but I like gadgets and knowing that there's a better TT experience than what I have is why I'll upgrade. Not a 'need to have, more a want to'.

MojoMaker · 02-02-2021 2:10pm

Direct drive turbos from about €300, much of a muchness with higher-end wheel-on trainers.

You won't look back though.

dinneenp · 02-02-2021 2:17pm

MojoMaker wrote: »

Direct drive turbos from about €300, much of a muchness with higher-end wheel-on trainers.

You won't look back though.

Hi,
There doesn't seem to be any available for under €500 or thereabouts. If you can show me one for 3-400 I'd be thrilled.

Thanks,
Pa.

mirrormatrix · 02-02-2021 3:15pm

With DD trainers is it easy enough to set the cassette in such a way as you don't have to make any gear adjustments when you switch from outdoors to the turbo? i.e. can you adjust the cassette on the turbo so that it mirrors your bike setup?

Macy0161 · 02-02-2021 3:42pm

I never had a problem with the shifting either way, but I always seemed to be slightly off re-tightening on my bike as I always got disc brake rub. That's on mechanical discs and quick release.

MeheeHohee · 02-02-2021 8:25pm

Anyone know where Wahoo Kickr Cores are in stock? Would like to buy Irish if possible, thanks

DaveyDave · 02-02-2021 8:51pm

MeheeHohee wrote: »

Anyone know where Wahoo Kickr Cores are in stock? Would like to buy Irish if possible, thanks

I got mine from Wahoo's website in December. It doesn't look like it's out if stock so you should be able to order there.

MeheeHohee · 02-02-2021 9:44pm

DaveyDave wrote: »

I got mine from Wahoo's website in December. It doesn't look like it's out if stock so you should be able to order there.

Cheers , they were sold out when I looked on Monday, but yeah back in stock now. Does it come with an european plug or an Irish plug?

Recommend a smart trainer

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