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Would you report someone for Social Welfare fraud

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  • #52
    TheSheriff
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,108 ✭✭✭TheSheriff


    Report them OP, I hate this s**t


  • #53
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    It depends on the circumstances to be honest.
    If Claire/John and there kids were on some type of social welfare/disability and they tried there best but Claire did a few hours baby sitting I probably wouldn't.

    If Claire/John and there kids had new cars/jewelry/etc whilst being on social welfare. I'd question reporting mainly because Ireland is a small county and people talk. It could be more hassle than it's worth.

    One thing I would say is I know people on social welfare/have medical cards. You'd hear rumors that they have loads of money/etc but in reality they haven't.

    Another thing is I know somebody who's always contacting social welfare/tulsa/etc reporting people for everything. She's a nasty piece of work and money can go missing off people when she's around. She loves causing trouble for people and seeing people in bother. It would really turn you off it.


  • #54
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    GoneHome wrote: »
    Absolutely the more I think about it I'm going to report them in the morning, can they back date it cause they;ve been screeing the system with years

    Report now. Go online as you are, fill in as much as possible and leave it there....

    Yes they can back date and do a full investigation....

    Sure even if they're full of bull the investigation will show that too.


    Report.


  • #55
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    Who are you going to report them too and what exactly for?

    He can't rent a room from his wife, if they are married, and you have referred to them as husband and wife several times.

    If he is claiming disability allowance, it is not means tested and his medical card could be on medical grounds.


  • #56
    20/20
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 720 ✭✭✭20/20


    AulWan wrote: »
    Who are you going to report them too and what exactly for?

    He can't rent a room from his wife, if they are married, and you have referred to them as husband and wife several times.

    If he is claiming disability allowance, it is not means tested and his medical card could be on medical grounds.

    Well spotted . OP did say husband and wife.


  • #57
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    AulWan wrote: »
    Who are you going to report them too and what exactly for?

    He can't rent a room from his wife, if they are married, and you have referred to them as husband and wife several times.

    If he is claiming disability allowance, it is not means tested and his medical card could be on medical grounds.

    My aunt is always saying this and that person is loaded from their social welfare but in reality they aren't.


  • #58
    CFlat
    Registered Users Posts: 2,806 ✭✭✭CFlat


    Valley of the Squinting Windows.


  • #59
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes, if I could also report all the self-employed tradespeople/businesspeople/professionals who are not paying tax on all their income by virtue of substantial amounts of undeclared income/cash price jobs, etc. In my experience, that's a far more common defrauding of this state.

    You can report those self employed people very easily. Write a letter containg their details plus your concerns and send it to your nearest tax office.


  • #60
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    AulWan wrote: »
    Who are you going to report them too and what exactly for?

    He can't rent a room from his wife, if they are married, and you have referred to them as husband and wife several times.

    If he is claiming disability allowance, it is not means tested and his medical card could be on medical grounds.

    Social welfare it is 2019 and they have the internet....

    People are up to all sorts of scams such as single mothers but the father's are living with them even though they don't exist.


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  • #61
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    There is a non means tested scheme which gives free medication to people with specified conditions. This might be what the person on 80 K a year is getting?

    https://www2.hse.ie/services/long-term-illness-scheme/long-term-illness.html

    Reporting fraud is an anonymous process. So nobody should be afraid of being attacked, unless they go round telling the wrong people that they reported someone.

    https://m.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx


  • #62
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Funny thing is though if you're from a certain ethnic minorities you'll be grand.,..


  • #63
    macnug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    There is a non means tested scheme which gives free medication to people with specified conditions. This might be what the person on 80 K a year is getting?

    https://www2.hse.ie/services/long-term-illness-scheme/long-term-illness.html

    Reporting fraud is an anonymous process. So nobody should be afraid of being attacked, unless they go round telling the wrong people that they reported someone.

    https://m.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

    I'm on that scheme, you don't get a medical card just all medications related to the illness are free. Still have to pay to see the doctor.


  • #64
    GSBellew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    AulWan wrote: »
    Claimants of Disability Allowance are allowed to work up to 15 hours per week, in certain circumstances.

    Someone can be granted a medical card based on medical grounds even if over the limit.

    Someone can claim Jobseekers for days they don't work, while working other days.

    My point is - unless you are 100% certain of your facts, then it leave well enough alone.

    I'm always amazed by how much some people think they know about other peoples business.

    Whilst I accept that you are correct in that there can be circumstances where it is legitimate, if that is the case reporting them won't affect them, as they will be found to be in the clear & above board, if not it is one less leach for the rest of us to pay for.


  • #65
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Social welfare it is 2019 and they have the internet....

    People are up to all sorts of scams such as single mothers but the father's are living with them even though they don't exist.

    Social Welfare have no role in the awardiing or administration of medical cards.

    Does the OP suspect this man's disability allowance claim is fraudulent? Does he even know the nature of his illness? It may not necessarily be a "visible" disability. As already been mentioned, those on disability are allowed work limited hours every week without it impacting on their payment. Disability Allowance is also one of the hardest benefits to be awarded, it is not a simple case of filling in a form.

    The nature of his illness must also be something substantial to be granted a medical card with his wife's income at €80k.


  • #66
    Ninthlife
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,312 ✭✭✭Ninthlife


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Funny thing is though if you're from a certain ethnic minorities you'll be grand.,..

    Collect your social welfare in your 191 Transit on the way to the community welfare officer for an emergency payment then onto the local councillor for a council house


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  • #67
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    macnug wrote: »
    I'm on that scheme, you don't get a medical card just all medications related to the illness are free. Still have to pay to see the doctor.

    Yes, as I said free medication. I'm on it myself.


  • #68
    blindsider
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭blindsider


    If someone is eligible for a SW payment then they should receive it - no questions.

    If someone is not eligible, then they shouldn't receive it...

    If there's a query, then the proper department should double-check - if all is okay, then there's no problem, if it's not....then the payment stops.

    The national SW bill is pretty high - you and I pay for it, through tax - I would rather not pay someone who is ineligible.

    Report it, and the proper authorities will investigate - no harm done.


  • #69
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,409 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Funny thing is though if you're from a certain ethnic minorities you'll be grand.,..

    62 posts in before any mention of the "ethnic minorities ", for shame AH , shame on you .
    #losing our touch.


  • #70
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    Funny thing is though if you're from a certain ethnic minorities you'll be grand.,..

    If by grand you mean you know people who are doing fraud, you can report them.


  • #71
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    GSBellew wrote: »
    Whilst I accept that you are correct in that there can be circumstances where it is legitimate, if that is the case reporting them won't affect them, as they will be found to be in the clear & above board, if not it is one less leach for the rest of us to pay for.

    I wonder how much time is wasted in investigating unfounded / spurious / malicious claims each year?

    Not to mention the stress endured by the person being investigated and their family. That's an affect.

    I would never report anything unless I was 100% absolutely sure of all my facts in advance, and to me, it doesn't sound like the OP is.


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  • #72
    banie01
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,935 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    AulWan wrote: »

    If he is claiming disability allowance, it is not means tested and his medical card could be on medical grounds.

    Just on this point.
    Disability Allowance is means tested.
    Invalidity Pension is not.

    Both however require an inordinate amount of review, medical evidence, including review by SW Doctors and supporting evidence regarding prognosis of recovery and ability to work.
    They also come with a Free Travel pass and free TV license OP!

    Those sick/invalided bastárds are totally milking the system and get to watch RTÉ for free too!!!

    Fupping disgrace so it is...


  • #73
    Stop moaning ffs
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,850 ✭✭✭Stop moaning ffs


    You have our current Taoiseach verifiably protecting at least three TDs that commited insurance fraud. Three we know of. It might be more.

    But yeah let’s rant about the OPs imaginary loads of people he knows scamming the dole AND hse AND local council.


  • #74
    macnug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Yes, as I said free medication. I'm on it myself.

    Oh I know it's just the op said he had a medical card.


  • #75
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    If by grand you mean you know people who are doing fraud, you can report them.

    They are given extra status you mad they are untouchable.....


  • #76
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    AulWan wrote: »
    I wonder how much time is wasted in investigating unfounded / spurious / malicious claims each year?

    Not to mention the stress endured by the person being investigated and their family. That's an affect.

    I would never report anything unless I was 100% absolutely sure of all my facts in advance, and to me, it doesn't sound like the OP is.

    By it's nature it is reporting suspected fraud. Some things should be clear, like claiming for a dead person, or claiming for someone who is in prison long term. Other things like claiming Lone Parents while living with a partner, might be an on off situation. No harm in making a report anyway, unless you know that there is a major amount of time being wasted.


  • #77
    old_aussie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Leg End Reject wrote: »
    Is there a reward? Asking for a friend.

    Yes there is.

    Your country will be better off.

    Don't you hate the feeling that someone is stealing your taxes(for their personal use) that you worked hard to pay.

    More money for hospitals, education, transport and many other important community benefits.

    Dob the scum in, give them the message to get their thriving hands out of your wallet!


  • #78
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    punisher5112 wrote: »
    They are given extra status you mad they are untouchable.....

    Travellers, if that is who you mean are 0.7% of the general population, but 22% of the prison population. So far from untouchable by the criminal justice system.


  • #79
    macnug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug


    If he's just getting a free medical card then I wouldn't bother tbh, what's that worth maybe 500-1000 a year. I know one person getting a lot more than that from sw because she uses a different second name from the one she is known by. I also know one other person who is self employed and doesn't pay a penny in tax. Don't know how he gets away with it.


  • #80
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    macnug wrote: »
    If he's just getting a free medical card then I wouldn't bother tbh, what's that worth maybe 500-1000 a year. I know one person getting a lot more than that from sw because she uses a different second name from the one she is known by. I also know one other person who is self employed and doesn't pay a penny in tax. Don't know how he gets away with it.

    That form I linked to would be perfect to report those things. And it is anonymous.


  • #81
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    No harm in making a report anyway, unless you know that there is a major amount of time being wasted.

    We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

    I had a neighbour, a genuine woman who lived alone with her child, who was reported for "suspected" fraud.

    Her payment was suspended for 8 weeks while they investigated her and she had to depend on her parents for money for food during that time.

    To me that is the opposite of "no harm".

    Like I've said, if you are 100% absolutely positive sure of your facts, then report away. But I wouldn't do it unless I was at that level of certainty.


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  • #82
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    Travellers, if that is who you mean are 0.7% of the general population, but 22% of the prison population. So far from untouchable by the criminal justice system.

    Does that in itself cost us hard working people nothing???

    Why are we pandering to these groups...


  • #83
    macnug
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 619 ✭✭✭macnug


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    That form I linked to would be perfect to report those things. And it is anonymous.

    Ah I just wouldn't bother, I know one guy owed them 30k and all he has to do is pay back €10 a week. Plus one is family.


  • #84
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    AulWan wrote: »
    We'll have to agree to disagree on that point.

    I had a neighbour, a genuine woman who lived alone with her child, who was reported for "suspected" fraud.

    Her payment was suspended for 8 weeks while they investigated her and she had to depend on her parents for money for food during that time.

    To me that is the opposite of "no harm".

    Like I've said, if you are 100% absolutely positive sure of your facts, then report away. But I wouldn't do it unless I was at that level of certainty.

    I don't even know if any of my neighbours are on social welfare, except presumably Child Benefit in some cases. That is very detailed knowledge of your neighbour.


  • #85
    freshpopcorn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,825 ✭✭✭✭freshpopcorn


    dxhound2005 wrote: »

    Reporting fraud is an anonymous process. So nobody should be afraid of being attacked, unless they go round telling the wrong people that they reported someone.

    https://m.welfare.ie/en/Pages/secure/ReportFraud.aspx

    If you do report don't give your name.
    If you do it may come back to bother you.
    I've hear of all these places you can report things in confidence/etc.
    However the cleaning lady/etc know everything that's going on.


  • #86
    paleoperson
    Registered Users Posts: 3,522 ✭✭✭paleoperson


    AulWan wrote: »
    I had a neighbour, a genuine woman who lived alone with her child, who was reported for "suspected" fraud.

    Her payment was suspended for 8 weeks while they investigated her and she had to depend on her parents for money for food during that time.

    I don't believe you. Why would they "suspend" her payment while they were proving their case, that makes no sense. You could just report anyone you didn't like.


  • #87
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    CFlat wrote: »
    Valley of the Squinting Windows.

    Ha. I haven't heard that book mentioned in years. Apparently when it was discovered that the town in the book, Garradrimna, bore many striking resemblances to the author's home town of... Delvin, Co. Westmeath the denizens there organised a burning of the books! (and boycotted his father, the local schoolmaster, for good measure). Brilliant.

    Brinsley MacNamara, The Valley of the Squinting Windows (1918)


  • #88
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    No.

    Hate all this heresay.

    Ive seen people on crazy big salaries that still have medical cards. Its all about the individual circumstances, some have extraordinary outgoings also.


  • #89
    GSBellew
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 761 ✭✭✭GSBellew


    AulWan wrote: »
    I wonder how much time is wasted in investigating unfounded / spurious / malicious claims each year?

    Not to mention the stress endured by the person being investigated and their family. That's an affect.

    I would never report anything unless I was 100% absolutely sure of all my facts in advance, and to me, it doesn't sound like the OP is.

    Are you a revenue trained social welfare inspector?

    Didn't think so.

    I am 100% confident that the cost of social welfare fraud far outstrips the cost of investigating unfounded / spurious / malicious accusations of fraud.

    If the reported party is legitimately working a few declared days a few key clicks will revel this.

    If they have a legitimate need for a medical card, likewise.

    If they warrant further investigation they are likely not above board.


  • #90
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    I don't even know if any of my neighbours are on social welfare, except presumably Child Benefit in some cases. That is very detailed knowledge of your neighbour.

    She was also my friend.


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  • #91
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    paleoperson wrote: »
    I don't believe you. Why would they "suspend" her payment while they were proving their case, that makes no sense. You could just report anyone you didn't like.

    I really don't care what you believe.

    And you're incredibly niave if you think malicious reporting doesn't happen.


  • #92
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    Here now. Can i just say one thing about the medical card.

    Yes you may still be granted one on a discretionary basis even if you have a significantly high wage.

    And yes it is relatively easy for people to con the medical card unit,

    Up until a few months ago they accepted a handwritten note from a 'landlord' as proof of rent.


    So people on a grand a week were forging handwritten notes from their imaginary landlords at imaginary addresses.

    Pretending to pay 200 a week etc
    Yes its true, i worked there! And they were getting granted medical cards.

    Nobody ever checked anything like that.

    This country is a joke, so are the services, i expect nothing less.

    And please stop talking like you know the ins and outs of everyones situation!!

    Believe me when I say. Hse checks nothing. Surely this is obvious, otherwise they'd actually help people.

    Its social welfare that do all the checking and investigating. You'd think they are all linked up but really there is limited access between both.


  • #93
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    dartboardio wrote: »
    No.

    Hate all this heresay.

    Ive seen people on crazy big salaries that still have medical cards. Its all about the individual circumstances, some have extraordinary outgoings also.

    Looking at the information here, I don't think people on crazy big salaries could qualify.

    https://www2.hse.ie/services/medical-cards/medical-card-application-process/how-much-you-can-earn-and-still-qualify-for-a-medical-card.html

    What you think you know about them might just be hearsay. But like I said earlier, millionaires with certain medical conditions, can get all their medication free, and no means test. I think this might cause confusion with medical cards.


  • #94
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    GSBellew wrote: »
    Are you a revenue trained social welfare inspector?

    Didn't think so.

    I am 100% confident that the cost of social welfare fraud far outstrips the cost of investigating unfounded / spurious / malicious accusations of fraud.

    If the reported party is legitimately working a few declared days a few key clicks will revel this.

    If they have a legitimate need for a medical card, likewise.

    If they warrant further investigation they are likely not above board.

    Well, at least I know the Revenue Commissioners and Social Welfare are completely different departments - and the HSE is completely seperate from them too. :P


  • #95
    dartboardio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,436 ✭✭✭dartboardio


    dxhound2005 wrote: »
    dartboardio wrote: »
    No.

    Hate all this heresay.

    Ive seen people on crazy big salaries that still have medical cards. Its all about the individual circumstances, some have extraordinary outgoings also.

    Looking at the information here, I don't think people on crazy big salaries could qualify.

    https://www2.hse.ie/services/medical-cards/medical-card-application-process/how-much-you-can-earn-and-still-qualify-for-a-medical-card.html

    What you think you know about them might just be hearsay. But like I said earlier, millionaires with certain medical conditions, can get all their medication free, and no means test. I think this might cause confusion with medical cards.

    My mother is on 60k which is quite big to some but has a discretionary medical card, and lots of outgoings.

    And yes the long term illness scheme, free medication for specific illnesses as long as you are resident in ireland

    I work in the medical card unit (which is really just a call centre) with hundreds of people, and see this everyday, and hear people going on about the 'man down the road with a Mercedes' who has a medical card!

    Yes i agree think others may be getting confused with all the different ones


  • #96
    The Oort Cloud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭The Oort Cloud


    GoneHome wrote: »
    Banie01 I'm certain on the fraud with the girl on €80,000 working for the HSE, a Medical Card, the husband stays at home minding the two kids, jesus we're breaking our ass working and still have to pay €60 to see the doctor, it annoys me that they can get away with it (and this is not here say she told me that she swinndled the system)


    Jesus, the begrudgery and not only that, how are you getting/receiving all of their private details and their private information? are you working for data protection or just a nosey neighbour? How otherwise could you be possibly sure in regards to their circumstances.

    I think this kind of thing with certain people sticking their nose into others private live's and not knowing 100% whether they are just legally receiving their payments and have private issues whether medical or entitled to these payments should be scrutinised in such a disgusting way by stressed out individuals of anger towards their fellow folk in their community because they feel pressure in work or paying bills.

    Just imagine spending your important days constantly whinging about what your neighbours are doing on a daily basis, especially not fully knowing what their circumstances are.

    Individual people have different thoughts and understanding in regard to others opinions, but the problem is this... there are some people out there that will do everything in their power to cut you off when they do not like your opinion even when it is truth.

    https://youtu.be/v8EseBe4eIU



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  • #97
    Mean Laqueefa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 712 ✭✭✭Mean Laqueefa


    Y'know that scene in Ferris bueller where the sister is in the garda station talking to Charlie sheen and he asks her why dont you just ditch, i feel like that everytime a tread comes up like this.

    ****ing busy bodies, ratting on people without knowing a thing about there circumstance is plain wrong.

    Alot of people can front having money but behind it is a huge amount of debt and self torture trying to keep look like you can survive cause y'know your neighbours might rat you out otherwise


  • #98
    dxhound2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,399 ✭✭✭✭dxhound2005


    The Revenue are very good with tracking down defaulters, wherever they are getting the information. Big lists published every quarter, and very substantial amounts. Part 2 is the big ones.

    https://www.revenue.ie/en/corporate/press-office/list-of-defaulters/index.aspx

    Whether any of these people ever pay up is another matter. Some people no doubt would regard them as heroes for avoiding tax.


  • #99
    Chicken George
    Closed Accounts Posts: 76 ✭✭Chicken George


    GoneHome wrote: »
    would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

    No I'd never report anyone. This government is OK with fraud. It's all good!


  • #100
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,434 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    I'm sure you can report someone without naming yourself as the one reporting it.


  • #101
    punisher5112
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    BorneTobyWilde wrote: »
    I'm sure you can report someone without naming yourself as the one reporting it.

    Yes we have established that through anonymously reporting


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