Would you report someone for Social Welfare fraud

GoneHome · 21-07-2019 09:45PM #1

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

Yer Da sells Avon · 21-07-2019 09:48PM

Am no a grass.

But seriously, snitches get stitches.

Jim Bob Scratcher · 21-07-2019 09:49PM

Leg End Reject · 21-07-2019 09:49PM

Is there a reward? Asking for a friend.

GoneHome · 21-07-2019 09:51PM

Leg End Reject wrote: »

Is there a reward? Asking for a friend.

I hope there is, I'd make a fortune with all of them I know screwing the system

SCOOP 64 · 21-07-2019 09:51PM

Properly not ,just begrudge them.

21-07-2019 09:54PM

It would depend on their circumstances and the level of fraud..

JPCN1 · 21-07-2019 09:55PM

Don't know, it's deeply ingrained in our psyche!

I guess though with all the technology around welfare will catch up with them sooner rather than later.

punisher5112 · 21-07-2019 09:56PM

Yes why wouldn't you ....

So many getting away with it from using fake bus passes to those that were cancelled or a family members. Similar to using the disability badge for parking....

Just because you think it's getting one up on the gubernment it's not.... We owe 200billion and counting and the gobsheens running this country seem to want to make that worse with all those on welfare whether here already or importing more.....

Our fighters from 1916 would be turning in their graves.....

Fook you all to the scammer backstards you are.

fmpisces · 21-07-2019 09:56PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

Nope. I don't agree with fraud but at the same time I'm not one for meddling in other peoples' business. They will quite possibly get caught out one way or another.....

votecounts · 21-07-2019 09:56PM

Isn't this the millionth thread on this very question?

banie01 · 21-07-2019 09:57PM

Report all the insurance fraudsters ya know 1st OP

On disability, the person could be on partial benefit or have permission to work 20hrs a week.

On Jobseekers they may be doing X's and O's

On the medical card I know many people who are in excess of the income limits but due to medical conditions or it being awarded and valid prior to some jump in the family income it remained valid until it's next expiry date/review.

If you are certain, if you know that none of the above apply then report away.
Don't assume that you know all the circumstances tho, and in fairness given the amount of data and oversight for the majority of claimants it's naive to assume that unless they are dealing drugs or working nixers completely under the table, there will be a cash trail.

GoneHome · 21-07-2019 09:58PM

riffmongous wrote: »

It would depend on their circumstances and the level of fraud..

It's probably low level fraud, claiming jobseekers or disability €200 per week but working cash in hand then as well, plus getting rent paid and medical card, it all adds up, it's us tax payer who are subsidising it

Greyfox · 21-07-2019 10:00PM

GoneHome wrote: »

would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

Doing the odd "nixer" on the side I'd be ok with but anything more and I think if your a decent human being you have to rat on them, it's not fair on all those people who get up early every day for work.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 21-07-2019 10:00PM

Absolutely no issues if they’re long term on the fiddle

the_pen_turner · 21-07-2019 10:00PM

if they are doing a small job here and there to boost their income and pay a few bills then no i wouldnt . nothing major wrong with that
you have t remember that those people are spending their money locally and helping the economy a bit

if they are taking the piss and milking the system then yes.

_blaaz · 21-07-2019 10:01PM

Snitches end in ditches,

so no i wouldnt

AulWan · 21-07-2019 10:03PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

Claimants of Disability Allowance are allowed to work up to 15 hours per week, in certain circumstances.

Someone can be granted a medical card based on medical grounds even if over the limit.

Someone can claim Jobseekers for days they don't work, while working other days.

My point is - unless you are 100% certain of your facts, then it leave well enough alone.

I'm always amazed by how much some people think they know about other peoples business.

Foweva Awone · 21-07-2019 10:03PM

You can work on Disability, you can earn I think up to €300 a week and still get a part-payment.

Plumbthedepths · 21-07-2019 10:04PM

Yep in a heartbeat. Don't have a problem with someone in genuine need , but f**ked if I'd let a scammer go free.

One eyed Jack · 21-07-2019 10:04PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

Doesn’t sound like you actually have any evidence that the people you know are committing fraud. A more accurate question is whether or not one would report suspected fraud?

Honestly, nope. I just couldn’t bring myself to care enough for other people to the degree that I’d be so invested in their lives I’d want to see someone prosecuted for being suspected of committing fraud.

punisher5112 · 21-07-2019 10:06PM

My mother worked all her life from a young age, had 4 kids and worked....

Gor terminal cancer with only months to live and as my dad worked she wasn't entitled to a medical card and here is the clinger his job paid absolutely sh1te.

kneemos · 21-07-2019 10:06PM

There are back to work schemes where you keep benefits for a period.

FishOnABike · 21-07-2019 10:08PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

How do you know they are committing social welfare fraud?

AFAIK someone on disability allowance can work. There is an individual rate or family rate depending on circumstances and an income disregard level, above which a percentage of further income is deducted from any disability payment.

Similarly for there are circumstances where a person may qualify for a medical card irrespective of their (or family) income.

fmpisces · 21-07-2019 10:08PM

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yep in a heartbeat. Don't have a problem with someone in genuine need , but f**ked if I'd let a scammer go free.

The thing I'd struggle with is how would you discern who is "in genuine need" and who "is not" (I suppose). Do we really know the full story? Do we need to?
Before anyone has a potential go at me I work and therefore pay my taxes

corner of hells · 21-07-2019 10:08PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

You may be entitled to a medical card without being means tested once you satisfy a list of certain conditions.
It's also possible to work and be on a disability allowance, again under certain conditions.

InTheShadows · 21-07-2019 10:09PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Ok I know of a least three people claiming jobseekers and disability while working on the side, another I know who has a medical card when his wife is on over €80,000, all people I know, we're breaking our ass getting up at 6 every morning to go to work, getting peed off with it, would you report them or say f**k it if they can get away with it leave them off?

I wouldn't just because of the amount of threads on Boards about the issue.

Leg End Reject · 21-07-2019 10:09PM

Do they actually prosecute? What are the penalties?

GoneHome · 21-07-2019 10:10PM

banie01 wrote: »

Don't assume that you know all the circumstances tho, and in fairness given the amount of data and oversight for the majority of claimants it's naive to assume that unless they are dealing drugs or working nixers completely under the table, there will be a cash trail.

Banie01 I'm certain on the fraud with the girl on €80,000 working for the HSE, a Medical Card, the husband stays at home minding the two kids, jesus we're breaking our ass working and still have to pay €60 to see the doctor, it annoys me that they can get away with it (and this is not here say she told me that she swinndled the system)

Allinall · 21-07-2019 10:12PM

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Am no a grass.

But seriously, snitches get stitches.

Snitches don’t generally get stitches, unless they’re inflicted by uncouth thugs, which would justify the snitching in the first place.

Reporting criminally is never wrong.

LirW · 21-07-2019 10:12PM

GoneHome wrote: »

Banie01 I'm certain on the fraud with the girl on €80,000 working for the HSE, a Medical Card, the husband stays at home minding the two kids, jesus we're breaking our ass working and still have to pay €60 to see the doctor, it annoys me that they can get away with it (and this is not here say she told me that she swinndled the system)

But do you know his medical history?

Would you report someone for Social Welfare fraud

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