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14-07-2019, 21:31   #16
 
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If there were no attacks on security forces, and no riot / missiles thrown, do you still think the troops would have opened fire?
Thats no excuse for what they done (if they cant handle it,maybe ahouldnt joined army?)and trying to blame ivan cooper is just.about the stupiest thing ive read in a long time
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Blaze, you have not answered the question.
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I see little point on answering questions on makey-up.scenarios on a factual forum??
The opening post referred to him as one of the organisers of the Bloody Sunday March, two days after 2 policemen were murdered in the city. I am merely pondering if there would have been fewer casualties, or better still none at all, if matters had been organised better?
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The opening post referred to him as one of the organisers of the Bloody Sunday March, two days after 2 policemen were murdered in the city.
I seen yous post this,time and again...im.failing to see what it has to do with civil rights movement...other than to conflate unionist baiting by linking civil rights to republicanism??


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I am merely pondering if there would have been fewer casualties, or better still none at all, if matters had been organised better?
Its unlikely,we will ever know....but given record of parachutes record....i doubt it...they killed far more civilans than any other regiment afaik
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I seen yous post this,time and again...im.failing to see what it has to do with civil rights movement...other than to conflate unionist baiting by linking civil rights to republicanism??




Its unlikely,we will ever know....but given record of parachutes record....i doubt it...they killed far more civilans than any other regiment afaik
We know because at peaceful marches, without rioting and without the threat of attacks on security forces, people were not murdered.
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We know because at peaceful marches, without rioting and without the threat of attacks on security forces, people were not murdered.
And how many of them.were over seen by parachute regiment?


Your comparing apples and oranges mate
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And how many of them.were over seen by parachute regiment?
If they were that bad why riot against them first? Or march only 2 days after the murder of 2 other security force people in the smallish city.
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If they were that bad why riot against them first? Or march only 2 days after the murder of 2 other security force people in the smallish city.
Thats right ya....blame a few young lads for soldiers shooting em


Or blame organisers of the peaceful protest for civil rights for soldiers shooting em



When pointed out the parachutes (and blackwatch) were at root and scene of worst dusturbemces....blame everyone else but them....the worst susturbemces in coalisland through the troubles were in 1995 were parachute regiment were stationes there and took full force of human shield to stop em finishing off killing another unarmed youth after shooting him in stomach


But ya lets blame the locals for forgien soldiers shooting em,if that is what pleases you
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Tensions were very high in Derry just before Bloody Sunday because two ruc men, one catholic and one protestant, were murdered in Derry only a few days before Bloody Sunday. I wonder if Ivan Cooper could wind back the clock would he have still helped organise the March then , or if it had been postponed for a few weeks would that have made a difference? Or would he have taken steps to try to ensure it did not develop in to a full riot before shooting started?
Tensions were high long before Bloody Sunday, 39 people were killed in December 1971 alone.
Including 15 killed in McGurks bar, 4 killed on the Shankill, UUP Senator John Barnhill was the first politican killed in Ireland since the 1920's, a civilian was killed by the Army in Ardoyne. Bombs were going off in Derry & Belfast pretty much every day.
Tensions were high since the British government introduced internment in August in which 22 people were killed between the 9th - 11th, 17 of them civilians by the British Army & 11 of those from the infamous Ballymurphy massacre, so tensions were no more high or less high on Bloody Sunday.
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The opening post referred to him as one of the organisers of the Bloody Sunday March, two days after 2 policemen were murdered in the city. I am merely pondering if there would have been fewer casualties, or better still none at all, if matters had been organised better?
Well they took a priest waving a white flag at them in Ballymurphy as provocation and shot him dead, so they didn't need much petrol for the fire, shot 5 at Springhill another 3 in Newry, a deaf mute in Strabane, a 12 year old girl going to church, and I could go on but I wont,
There would have been a massacre because of the situation created by 50 years of Unionist misrule which helped to create a revolutionary fevour in Nationalist ghetto areas, and the awful handling of the situation by the British government who admitted they had no clue about the country they claimed was apart of their state to govern.
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If they were that bad why riot against them first? Or march only 2 days after the murder of 2 other security force people in the smallish city.
I love the creative way you use language here, security forces get murdered but Irish people just magically die on Bloody Sunday.

Ivan Cooper (and a lot of other people on that day) would be spinning in his grave at this cold, heartless epitah of a giant of the NICRA.
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Better still, AH.
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… 39 people were killed…Including 15 …. 4 killed on the Shankill, ….Senator … the first politican …. a civilian was killed b…22 people were killed between the 9th - 11th….
I really don’t get your fascination with bodycount, not just in this but in the majority of your posts. It has absolutely nothing to do with Ivan Cooper, unless I'm missing something?

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Nope. Perhaps Creative Writing, because Balcombe is dreaming again when you read this nonsense :-

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Well they took a priest waving a white flag at them in Ballymurphy as provocation and shot him dead.
Fr. Daly went on to be a bishop and died just a few years ago. Maybe thread should be moved to Paranormal?

However I do agree that H & H certainly would be better off without this stuff.
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I love the creative way you use language here, security forces get murdered but Irish people just magically die on Bloody Sunday.

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They were all murdered. I love the way you insinuate thr people that the security force people who were murdered 2 days before Bloody Friday in Derry were not Irish : they were Irish, born on the island of Ireland and were catholic and protestant people. Their murder was planned and advance, and they were shot in the back by people who were dressed as civilians and blended back in the civilian population. Ivan Cooper did not condone any of the murders. In my opinion though he and others should have postponed the March, which turned in to a riot and murder scene.

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