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Eviction Ban extended

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    #422
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Manion wrote: »
    You realise you're responding to someone who is part of a homeless family right?
    Yes a homeless homeowner
    Unfortunate ,but if he moved into the property the tenants could become homeless.
    I said it is a broad axe that's not perfect but it was well intentioned and is what it is.


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    #423
    accensi0n
    Registered Users Posts: 2,745 ✭✭✭accensi0n


    brisan wrote: »
    Its both
    if a tenant is evicted who houses them
    The state?

    What?.. Themselves.


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    #424
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    I do find it 'interesting' the use of emotive images such as homeless shelter, there appears to be a working assumption that this is what us 'accidental landlords' have in mind for our 'evicted' tenants.

    I have a different 'take' on how we should treat each other on this earth

    Would appear from some comment that if its the LL problem then that's a good outcome?


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    #425
    the_syco
    Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    27th March is when the emergency 'measures' came in, almost four months later and I have no idea when I will be allowed to move back into my home.
    Although you can't evict them, you can offer them money to leave. Something such as €1,000 after they move out. Pay via bank for a record of the transaction.


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    #426
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Panch18 wrote: »
    They could just pay their rent for a different property
    That would involve a deposit(although the could use their tenants deposit ) references and maybe signing a 12 month lease which they may not be prepared to.
    Although with the ban in place till January maybe they could get a 6 month lease


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    #427
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    brisan wrote: »
    Yes a homeless homeowner
    Unfortunate ,but if he moved into the property the tenants could become homeless.
    I said it is a broad axe that's not perfect but it was well intentioned and is what it is.

    It’s absolute bollocks is what it is

    It is a massive infringement on property owners rights. Forbidding someone to issue tenants with an already lengthy notice period shows the absolute disregard the government of Ireland has for people’s property rights.

    You’re better off owning nothing in this country, because if you have nothing the government will give you everything, and if you have anything at all the government will do everything they can to take it off you to give to ****ers who pay for nothing


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    #428
    Manion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    brisan wrote: »
    Yes a homeless homeowner
    Unfortunate ,but if he moved into the property the tenants could become homeless.
    I said it is a broad axe that's not perfect but it was well intentioned and is what it is.

    Well OK then, as long as it's well intentioned. You don't know that they would be homelesss if they moved along. There is only one definitely homeless family here.


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    #429
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    I do find it 'interesting' the use of emotive images such as homeless shelter, there appears to be a working assumption that this is what us 'accidental landlords' have in mind for our 'evicted' tenants.

    I have a different 'take' on how we should treat each other on this earth

    Would appear from some comment that if its the LL problem then that's a good outcome?

    That’s exactly it, just read the press on this and it is 100% about the poor renters, not 1 word about landlords and how there has been a massive infringement on their rights, not 1 word. Because it suits this left wing poor us agenda that the Irish media is absolutely fixated with

    It’s a pity that COVID didn’t put paid to Irish media


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    #430
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    Maybe I have an idea as a sweetener, forgive the rent that was not paid (prior to Covid) that I was trying to work with them to resolve, perhaps?


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    #431
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    Maybe I have an idea as a sweetener, forgive the rent that was not paid (prior to Covid) that I was trying to work with them to resolve, perhaps?

    You’ll never see that anyway I’m afraid!!!

    They will want cash on top of that

    It’s nothing short of extortion is what it is


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    #432
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    Hi Panch18, I do feel your frustration but the emotive words thing cuts both ways.

    For me, I will have a conversation with my tenant later in the week, he 'holds all the cards' with respect to him not having to vacate but I am hoping that we can see each others point of view and come to a mutual arrangement even if it is a bit further away than was originally anticipated.


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    #433
    Hudur
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Hudur


    Panch18 wrote: »
    They could just pay their rent for a different property


    "Decided to rent the house in August 2017 at a little below market rate to make sure it was looked after."


    If that is Dublin, difference between that and current rents is about 600-1k euros per month probably, which is quite good reason to hang in the old place as long as possible.


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    #434
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    I may well be wrong but based on discussion other threads rental rates have reduced due to an increase of supply caused by effects of Covid - is that not the case?


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    #435
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Phishnet wrote: »
    Extended till August 1st
    As was posted earlier ,rent freeze extended till August 1st ,Eviction ban extended until January,
    So you can increase the rent but not evict the tenants if they refuse to pay it.


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    #436
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    I may well be wrong but based on discussion other threads rental rates have reduced due to an increase of supply caused by effects of Covid - is that not the case?

    But not to 2017 rates


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    #437
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    Don't follow, my tenants rates are 2017?


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    #438
    handlemaster
    Registered Users Posts: 6,003 ✭✭✭handlemaster


    Crazy not been able to evict . Kicking the issue again to the landlords. Why don't the government pick up the bill for this ?? Its already nearly impossible to get a tenant out who doesn't pay


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    #439
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    Don't follow, my tenants rates are 2017?
    Have you increased your tenants rent since they moved in .
    If they are in a RPZ it cant have been by much.
    Rents in Dublin although falling are not at 2017 levels yet.
    So your tenant may find it difficult to find similar property in the locality for the same money.
    If he cant and decides not to move you can as was suggested give him a financial inducement or just wait it out.
    As another poster said you could try and get a six month lease on a property for yourself using your tenants rent to cover it .
    Its an unfortunate set of events but other posters here are in the same position


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    #440
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    Apologies, brain not engaged.

    Would appear that I possibly did myself a disservice by doing the right thing for my tenant in a lower rent in 2017 and that he would have no motivation as the rents will be higher than he is paying currently?


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    #441
    redarmyblues
    Registered Users Posts: 972 ✭✭✭redarmyblues


    THE TEMPORARY RENT freeze and ban on evictions is to be extended at an incorporeal Cabinet meeting being held later today.

    Yesterday, the Cabinet meeting which was due to sign off on the country’s travel ‘green list’ was deferred, due to ongoing negotiations in Brussels

    The Taoiseach Micheál Martin remains at the EU Council meeting, where leaders last night failed to agree on €750 billion rescue package.

    The temporary rent freeze is due to lapse today – 20 July – and must be extended by Cabinet if it is to continue.

    Under the emergency laws introduced at the beginning of the Covid-19 crisis, the minister said tenants cannot be forced to leave a property, and rent increases are prohibited for the duration of the crisis.

    "Housing Minister Darragh O’Brien confirmed last week that the eviction ban and rent freeze would continue past today, though he warned it would not be a permanent measure. It is understood the Attorney General has raised legal concerns in relation to the freeze and personal property rights.

    The length of the rent freeze and eviction ban will be agreed at today’s incorporeal meeting, thought it is believed the time period will be short"

    From the Journal.ie.

    The government is between a rock and a hard place here. If they extend the eviction ban and it is stuck down as unconstitutional, the state may be liable for the arrears of disincentived tenants.


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    #442
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    Apologies, brain not engaged.

    Would appear that I possibly did myself a disservice by doing the right thing for my tenant in a lower rent in 2017 and that he would have no motivation as the rents will be higher than he is paying currently?
    As it turns out maybe you did
    However as someone who rented out properties with my brothers previously we always did the same.
    We found it gave us a bigger selection of prospective tenants ,and tenants were less likely to jump ship.
    Every time a tenant leaves you are down at least 1 months rent ,repainting and cleaning costs and EA fees
    Easily add up to 2 months rents so a 16% decrease in yearly income if it happens every 12 months .
    We would keep an eye on the market and have on occasion reduced rents without being asked if that was what the market dictated.
    We managed to have high occupancy rates over the few properties we had anf the brothers still do the same.
    However that does not help you.
    All you can do is talk to your tenant and see what will it take for him to leave .
    If he owes you rent you can kiss that goodbye .
    Remind him he may need a reference from you.


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    #443
    Hudur
    Registered Users Posts: 34 ✭Hudur


    david72jenkins wrote: »
    Apologies, brain not engaged.

    Would appear that I possibly did myself a disservice by doing the right thing for my tenant in a lower rent in 2017 and that he would have no motivation as the rents will be higher than he is paying currently?


    See Daft for the area to know for sure, but I rented in 2017 bit under the market rent and now I can't find similar even if I pay 500e more.


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    #444
    david72jenkins
    Registered Users Posts: 23 ✭david72jenkins


    My property does not rent in that sector of the market


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    #445
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    Hudur wrote: »
    See Daft for the area to know for sure, but I rented in 2017 bit under the market rent and now I can't find similar even if I pay 500e more.

    Well I am down by more than that per month, and can’t an eviction notice issued to get the property sold

    It’s proving more than a little costly

    Will the government give me 350 a week for the cost the government is putting onto me I wonder


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    #446
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Panch18 wrote: »
    Well I am down by more than that per month, and can’t an eviction notice issued to get the property sold

    It’s proving more than a little costly

    Will the government give me 350 a week for the cost the government is putting onto me I wonder
    Its a cost of doing business
    Even without the pandemic tenants could have been overstaying and not paying rent and it could have taken you months to get an eviction order
    Maybe with the covid support scheme if you are a registered landlord you may be able to get state aid


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    #447
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    brisan wrote: »
    Its a cost of doing business

    Pandemics are a cost of doing business?


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    #448
    brisan
    Registered Users Posts: 2,242 ✭✭✭brisan


    Graham wrote: »
    Pandemics are a cost of doing business?
    Even without the pandemic its very hard to get an eviction notice.
    Yes as the insurance companies told businesses that tried to claim for closure and were refused


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    #449
    Panch18
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,471 ✭✭✭Panch18


    brisan wrote: »
    Its a cost of doing business
    Even without the pandemic tenants could have been overstaying and not paying rent and it could have taken you months to get an eviction order
    Maybe with the covid support scheme if you are a registered landlord you may be able to get state aid

    I fail to see how the government imposing totally unnecessary and restrictive and prohibitive laws which are unjustifiable are a cost of doing business

    It’s ridiculous


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    #450
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    brisan wrote: »
    Yes as the insurance companies told businesses that tried to claim for closure and were refused

    Which insurance company stated pandemics were a cost of doing business?


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    #451
    Manion
    Registered Users Posts: 1,508 ✭✭✭Manion


    brisan wrote: »
    Its a cost of doing business

    Again you realise you're talking to a homeless person? When it suits it's a business and when it doesn't it's people's homes. Seems the side people are on flips depending on whats convenient. I've sympathy for anybody he ends up homeless regardess of how that happens.


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