Sexism you have personally experienced or have heard of? READ POST 1

cms88 · 08-12-2020 9:36am

Will there be calls for people to stand down after the LGFA latest **** up? Seeing as most of the top people are female

py2006 · 10-12-2020 1:51pm

https://twitter.com/Suffragentleman/status/1336692851149836288?s=20

One eyed Jack · 10-12-2020 5:33pm

Dáil hears claims that single gender schools are contributory factor in domestic violence

”Nobody can convince me that that isn’t part of the problem,” the Dublin Bay North TD said, pointing to significant numbers of young women born since 2000 who are experiencing violence.

Bizarre rationale to try and argue that single sex schools contribute to domestic violence

Gervais08 · 10-12-2020 5:35pm

py2006 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/Suffragentleman/status/1336692851149836288?s=20

Ah yes but according to women I know - “it’s a bit of fun when it’s done to men, they secretly love it!!”

Hypocrisy!!

Silentcorner · 10-12-2020 5:52pm

Legally and socially we are expected to treat adult women as children or a person with special needs....what a time to be alive!!!

KrustyUCC · 10-12-2020 6:04pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Dáil hears claims that single gender schools are contributory factor in domestic violence

”Nobody can convince me that that isn’t part of the problem,” the Dublin Bay North TD said, pointing to significant numbers of young women born since 2000 who are experiencing violence.

Bizarre rationale to try and argue that single sex schools contribute to domestic violence

Can you imagine a TD coming out with the sentence "There can be a toxic femininity that grows up in a single gender female school"

He'd never think of it not to mind say it

iptba · 10-12-2020 6:21pm

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Dáil hears claims that single gender schools are contributory factor in domestic violence

”Nobody can convince me that that isn’t part of the problem,” the Dublin Bay North TD said, pointing to significant numbers of young women born since 2000 who are experiencing violence.

Bizarre rationale to try and argue that single sex schools contribute to domestic violence

Yes, it’s not like there has been any noticeable increase in pupils/boys in single sex schools in recent years.

Day Lewin · 10-12-2020 6:27pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Can you imagine a TD coming out with the sentence "There can be a toxic femininity that grows up in a single gender female school"

He'd never think of it not to mind say it

Nevertheless, it is true.

The echo chamber of the female gang - aka girls' friend group.
It exerts massive pressure on its members to conform, and mercilessly stigmatises those who break ranks.
Naturally, this leads to a lowest-common-denominator type of groupthink.

And a terror of being seen as non-conformist, even a terror of what the others might think, a fear that they might think you think...
That's how important groupthink is for primate females.

PS No prejudice here, just a bit of social theory. I AM a primate female!

10-12-2020 6:35pm

Day Lewin wrote: »

Nevertheless, it is true.

The echo chamber of the female gang - aka girls' friend group.
It exerts massive pressure on its members to conform, and mercilessly stigmatises those who break ranks.
Naturally, this leads to a lowest-common-denominator type of groupthink.

And a terror of being seen as non-conformist, even a terror of what the others might think, a fear that they might think you think...
That's how important groupthink is for primate females.

PS No prejudice here, just a bit of social theory. I AM a primate female!

You'll find if you look at single gender schools for males, that similar problems of conformity, and excessive discipline arise too. Bullying becomes rampant. As does institutional discrimination, abuse and favoritism. The issues with single gender schools are nothing new. Dead Poets society did a pretty good attempt at showing what it was like, as have a variety of other movies (from the perspective of male only schools).

The problem though is that there have been many complaints about mixed schools too, to the degree that exams/classes have been modified to help female students over male students. With the majority of teachers being female, and there have been clear research showing that female teachers often give better grades/attention to female students, the mixed schools have their own biases...

So, female only schools are bad. Mixed schools are bad unless they're altered to favor females.

This is just a further attempt to increase control, and marginalise boys in schools. It doesn't matter than the grades of males have dropped considerably since schools began favoring girls.. and we are seeing more and more articles like the above as time goes by.

The J Stands for Jay · 10-12-2020 6:35pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Can you imagine a TD coming out with the sentence "There can be a toxic femininity that grows up in a single gender female school"

He'd never think of it not to mind say it

The "Nobody can convince me" bit is also worrying.

Pawwed Rig · 11-12-2020 8:13am

Not a smart thing to say when Raheny is his base of support where the 2 main secondary schools and many of the primary schools are single sex. He does not seem to rate his male constituents very highly.

Marcos · 13-12-2020 7:07pm

I just knew it would be that muppet saying something like that.

Of course it's not like he'd jump on any bandwagon going like voting to close the Seanad and when he lost his seat at the next election emmm . . . . taking a seat in the Seanad. :rolleyes:

py2006 · 28-12-2020 2:54pm

A perfect example of the hypocrisy and double standards of modern day feminism:

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And another beauty.

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cms88 · 30-12-2020 9:05pm

py2006 wrote: »

A perfect example of the hypocrisy and double standards of modern day feminism:

And another beauty.

Re not wearing masks. Form what i've seen it's more likely to be women who don't wear or not wear them right

mcsean2163 · 30-12-2020 9:26pm

Just stumbled across this. I remember this girl in college. We were out together and I can't remember but I said something like if you were to hit me I wouldn't even feel it. So it ended up that I said she could give me a free punch in the face.

She nearly knocked me out. It was a huge punch. I probably deserved it.

30-12-2020 11:30pm

cms88 wrote: »

Re not wearing masks. Form what i've seen it's more likely to be women who don't wear or not wear them right

Pretty much. Whenever I see groups of women out jogging, or walking/exercising, their masks are around their necks. Just the same when they're stopping to rest/stretch.. and have that long chat.. the masks are kept around their necks. Not everyone mind (since a disclaimer seems to be needed all the time here nowadays), but the majority I see (there's a popular 'green road' for walkers/cyclists that runs past my house) aren't engaging much in the way of safety.

No doubt they're really careful when they're out in public (shopping/public areas), but it makes me wonder where else would they be very lax about the precautions. My sister was complaining recently that very few parents (Male/Female.. although most were female) were wearing masks when she went to pick up her kids at the school.

ligerdub · 31-12-2020 12:22am

There is no need to wear masks outdoors.

31-12-2020 11:10am

ligerdub wrote: »

There is no need to wear masks outdoors.

There is, if you're in a group and not social distancing.

cms88 · 31-12-2020 11:31am

Deleted User wrote: »

Pretty much. Whenever I see groups of women out jogging, or walking/exercising, their masks are around their necks. Just the same when they're stopping to rest/stretch.. and have that long chat.. the masks are kept around their necks. Not everyone mind (since a disclaimer seems to be needed all the time here nowadays), but the majority I see (there's a popular 'green road' for walkers/cyclists that runs past my house) aren't engaging much in the way of safety.

No doubt they're really careful when they're out in public (shopping/public areas), but it makes me wonder where else would they be very lax about the precautions. My sister was complaining recently that very few parents (Male/Female.. although most were female) were wearing masks when she went to pick up her kids at the school.

Those are the same people who drive a Range Rover and take up as much of the road outside of a school as they can.

31-12-2020 1:57pm

cms88 wrote: »

Those are the same people who drive a Range Rover and take up as much of the road outside of a school as they can.

There's very few Range Rovers where I'm from. This isn't the case of passing blame off on to a particular income/status group. Our schools are open to all, and the vast majority in my area would be middle/working class.

Pawwed Rig · 04-01-2021 8:45am

When sexism is seen as noble

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-55339750

iptba · 04-01-2021 2:01pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

When sexism is seen as noble

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-55339750

She said something like there were plenty of men in management in Paris. She made no attempt to argue the women were chosen on merit or they couldn’t find suitable men. And of course the fine was being paid by taxpayers not her.

The J Stands for Jay · 04-01-2021 2:32pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

When sexism is seen as noble

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-55339750

One of the links below is a out how Covid affects women worse than men, but it starts off by saying it kills more men....

Padraig Mor · 07-01-2021 12:50pm

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40202045.html

The Examiner's 21 'books to watch' in 2021. Eighteen are by female authors - does anyone really think it would pass without comment if the gender proportions were reversed?

07-01-2021 1:20pm

Padraig Mor wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsandculture/arid-40202045.html

The Examiner's 21 'books to watch' in 2021. Eighteen are by female authors - does anyone really think it would pass without comment if the gender proportions were reversed?

I was looking at some recommended lists for fantasy books 2020/2021.. and the vast majority of the market are from female authors. Publishers have gone very focused on meeting the perceived market demands of diversity, LGBTQ, etc.

So.. don't be surprised if you see a complete domination of most genres by female authors.

iptba · 07-01-2021 4:12pm

No Gender Bias in Peer Review: Study
An analysis of data from nearly 150 journals across scientific disciplines finds that, if anything, manuscripts authored by women are treated more favorably than those submitted by men.

https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/no-gender-bias-in-peer-review-study-68320

While female scientists publish fewer articles than their male counterparts across scientific disciplines, they also submit fewer manuscripts, and following submission, their articles were treated more favorably than men’s were.

https://advances.sciencemag.org/content/7/2/eabd0299

Results showed that manuscripts written by women as solo authors or coauthored by women were treated even more favorably by referees and editors.

What a strange world we live in where women being treated more favourably gets translated to "no gender bias"

iptba · 09-01-2021 12:29am

This blog, which isn't too long, explains "gamma bias", a term I'd come across, but hadn't understood:

Can we discuss gender issues rationally? Yes, if we can stop gamma bias.
https://malepsychology.org.uk/2018/12/04/why-are-there-so-many-disagreements-about-gender-issues-its-usually-down-to-gamma-bias/

There is an 18-minute video on it from the Male Psychology Conference 2019 here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHYRYKCIDxk

cms88 · 17-01-2021 11:14am

While i'm not sure this is the right place for this i'll post it anyway.

While the whole mother and baby home thing is terrible etc i can't help but feel many in the media etc are very inclined to put all the blame on men. First off i'm pretty sure there were no male nuns in the homes, also i'm pretty such all the babies that were born there wern't all girls.

CageWager · 17-01-2021 12:33pm

cms88 wrote: »

While i'm not sure this is the right place for this i'll post it anyway.

While the whole mother and baby home thing is terrible etc i can't help but feel many in the media etc are very inclined to put all the blame on men. First off i'm pretty much there were no male nuns in the homes, also i'm pretty such all the babies that were born there wern't all girls.

I thought that as well. I saw the tweet below and it just didn’t sit right with me. Very subtle use of language to remove any mention of male victims.

17-01-2021 12:59pm

cms88 wrote: »

While i'm not sure this is the right place for this i'll post it anyway.

While the whole mother and baby home thing is terrible etc i can't help but feel many in the media etc are very inclined to put all the blame on men. First off i'm pretty much there were no male nuns in the homes, also i'm pretty such all the babies that were born there wern't all girls.

Same. I watched some of the shows on RTE about it, where they presented the people who had been campaigning regarding unmarked graves, the deaths etc. There was a serious focus on female side of things rather than consideration to both genders. Which, I can kinda, understand TBH.. still it bothered me a little.

In addition, there was a reinforcement of the idea of women being victims in the past, rather than being responsible for their own choices in life. The attention was given to the formless/vague men who put them in that situation, as if the women had no choice in the matter at all.

No surprises TBH.

iptba · 17-01-2021 3:04pm

I heard something about a boy being adopted by a farmer where he had to do a lot of work on the farm and was basically like cheap farm labour. I imagine if this happened a bit more boys than girls were adopted into such a scenario.

Though I’m certainly not arguing overall it was worse for males.

cms88 · 17-01-2021 3:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Same. I watched some of the shows on RTE about it, where they presented the people who had been campaigning regarding unmarked graves, the deaths etc. There was a serious focus on female side of things rather than consideration to both genders. Which, I can kinda, understand TBH.. still it bothered me a little.

In addition, there was a reinforcement of the idea of women being victims in the past, rather than being responsible for their own choices in life. The attention was given to the formless/vague men who put them in that situation, as if the women had no choice in the matter at all.

No surprises TBH.

All of the ''activists'' seem to be women, some of whom in their own heads really believe no boys/men were effected.

There was an article in the paper the other day pretty much blaming the fathers or the children as well. While there were of course cases of rape etc some of the fathers more than likely would have wanted to keep the children but they were just as powerless yet you won't see too many in the media saying this.

silverharp · 17-01-2021 5:18pm

cms88 wrote: »

All of the ''activists'' seem to be women, some of whom in their own heads really believe no boys/men were effected.

There was an article in the paper the other day pretty much blaming the fathers or the children as well. While there were of course cases of rape etc some of the fathers more than likely would have wanted to keep the children but they were just as powerless yet you won't see too many in the media saying this.

Call it a bias or feel free to challenge me, but I'd wager a lot of the "what would the neighbours think" was the family matriarchs calling the shots. If the mothers had stood behind their daughters, the girls fathers would have rowed in behind

17-01-2021 7:57pm

cms88 wrote: »

All of the ''activists'' seem to be women, some of whom in their own heads really believe no boys/men were effected.

There was an article in the paper the other day pretty much blaming the fathers or the children as well. While there were of course cases of rape etc some of the fathers more than likely would have wanted to keep the children but they were just as powerless yet you won't see too many in the media saying this.

Ahh well.. I've always found it curious the way society looks at pregnancy, and how it happens. Women know their bodies much better than men do. They know their period, and should know the risks of unprotected sex, better than men. It's simple logic. And yet, if a woman gets pregnant, the man is responsible. Just the man.

Oh, I know that throughout history women have been punished for getting pregnant, but again, it always makes me wonder why women, themselves, don't take more responsibility in ensuring that they don't get pregnant out of marriage. Surely they would have known the risks involved?

I'd say 9 times out of 10, when I've had casual sex with someone or even at the beginning of a relationship, I'm the one with the condoms, and the one making sure we're not being risky. Even now, I've found that many women won't engage in other forms of contraception, instead relying that the man is carrying condoms.. and if there's no condom, many will be fine with unprotected sex. Boggles the mind... And yes, many women are very careful about unprotected sex, and will refuse sex without a condom, but I've met very few women who would carry condoms themselves. The responsibility is left with the guy.

Pawwed Rig · 17-01-2021 8:27pm

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Oh, I know that throughout history women have been punished for getting pregnant, but again, it always makes me wonder why women, themselves, don't take more responsibility in ensuring that they don't get pregnant out of marriage. Surely they would have known the risks involved?.

Contraception was illegal here until relatively recently. Couple that with a strict religious up bringing where sex wasn't mentioned, lack of education and good old fashioned ignorance means they probably did not fully appreciate the risks involved.

iptba · 17-01-2021 8:34pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Contraception was illegal here until relatively recently. Couple that with a strict religious up bringing where sex wasn't mentioned, lack of education and good old fashioned ignorance means they probably did not fully appreciate the risks involved.

I don't know what the state of knowledge about conception was in the past. However there's a good chance males didn't know more about it than females. So if a similar percentage of either sex knew the facts of life, one could say that both were similarly responsible if this was the criterion used.

17-01-2021 10:54pm

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Contraception was illegal here until relatively recently. Couple that with a strict religious up bringing where sex wasn't mentioned, lack of education and good old fashioned ignorance means they probably did not fully appreciate the risks involved.

relatively recently? My idea of relatively recently would be 10-20 years ago...

"In 1978, the Irish Family Planning Act allowed the provision of contraceptives under prescription, and finally in 1985, condoms and spermicides could be sold without prescription."

And I'm not so sure about the indoctrination gig. Mothers are typically close to their daughters. Oh, sure, in some cases, there's room for pure ignorance, but.. general knowledge about pregnancy would surely have been available considering the high risk of dying from giving birth?

the_pen_turner · 17-01-2021 11:14pm

what really annoys me about the whole naritive is that the father is portrayed as either a rapist, incest situation or absent father whole dumps the pregnant woman . at least some of those pregnancies happened perfectly consentualy but out of wedlock and the father had no say either. the girlfriend and child were sent away

iptba · 30-01-2021 2:59am

(UK)

Children will be allowed to stay the night with their mother in prison: Ministry of Justice announces an extra 500 cells including en-suite showers will be built in existing jails

An extra 500 cells will be built in prisons to ease female inmates into normal life

The move will enable mothers to be reunited with their children behind bars

Announcement comes with a £2m boost to help steer women from life of crime

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9178359/Children-allowed-stay-night-mother-prison.html

The same won't be done for men.
There are issues I feel more strongly about, but I thought this was worth highlighting as its explicit different treatment.

y0ssar1an22 · 30-01-2021 3:04am

iptba wrote: »

(UK)

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9178359/Children-allowed-stay-night-mother-prison.html

The same won't be done for men.
There are issues I feel more strongly about, but I thought this was worth highlighting as its explicit different treatment.

how is women having more rights than men sexisit though?

99nsr125 · 30-01-2021 4:08am

y0ssar1an22 wrote: »

how is women having more rights than men sexisit though?

You can't be serious asking that question, if for one second you actuallly are

It's sexual discrimination. Women are being given preferential treatment based on their sex.

y0ssar1an22 · 30-01-2021 4:15am

99nsr125 wrote: »

You can't be serious asking that question, if for one second you actuallly are

It's sexual discrimination. Women are being given preferential treatment based on their sex.

eh, sexism only works 1 way. everyone knows that.

cms88 · 09-02-2021 10:30am

Good old Holly is on another rant. Complaining about her being the only female TD in Cork. I'm pretty such she wasn;t the only female TD who ran and also would be pretty much female voters would have voted for the male candidates also.

Says we desperately need more females at the top table. This is something i always laugh at. Nothing to back it up or anything like that. Also as an example the The Camogie Association top table is almost if not all female and it's one of the worst run associations in Ireland!

Also on the usual female sports not getting enough coverage etc Yet if you were to go to a ladies football game etc you'd more likely to see more men than women at games.

givyjoe · 09-02-2021 10:53am

cms88 wrote: »

Good old Holly is on another rant. Complaining about her being the only female TD in Cork. I'm pretty such she wasn;t the only female TD who ran and also would be pretty much female voters would have voted for the male candidates also.

Says we desperately need more females at the top table. This is something i always laugh at. Nothing to back it up or anything like that. Also as an example the The Camogie Association top table is almost if not all female and it's one of the worst run associations in Ireland!

Also on the usual female sports not getting enough coverage etc Yet if you were to go to a ladies football game etc you'd more likely to see more men than women at games.

I've yet to hear a convincing argument why we need more women TD's. We may need better TD's but there's no evidence so far they are 'better' than their male counterparts. Pretty mixed bag recently with some notably poor ones i.e. Maria Bailey, Josepha Madigan, Norma Foley.

09-02-2021 12:07pm

givyjoe wrote: »

I've yet to hear a convincing argument why we need more women TD's. We may need better TD's but there's no evidence so far they are 'better' than their male counterparts. Pretty mixed bag recently with some notably poor ones i.e. Maria Bailey, Josepha Madigan, Norma Foley.

Just as I've yet to hear a convincing argument as to why there aren't more female candidates, and more importantly, why female voters, more often than not, prefer male candidates to female candidates (as evidenced by votes made).

The simple fact is that most women are not interested in entering politics, and few women consider female politicians to be better or more trustworthy than their male counterparts.

cms88 · 09-02-2021 3:51pm

givyjoe wrote: »

I've yet to hear a convincing argument why we need more women TD's. We may need better TD's but there's no evidence so far they are 'better' than their male counterparts. Pretty mixed bag recently with some notably poor ones i.e. Maria Bailey, Josepha Madigan, Norma Foley.

Like always there's none. If you say otherwise you're being sexist.

Now something that probably does need to be done is getting more men into teaching, yet we never hear a word about that...

cms88 · 09-02-2021 3:55pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Just as I've yet to hear a convincing argument as to why there aren't more female candidates, and more importantly, why female voters, more often than not, prefer male candidates to female candidates (as evidenced by votes made).

The simple fact is that most women are not interested in entering politics, and few women consider female politicians to be better or more trustworthy than their male counterparts.

They're interested in running for a party as more often than not they won't be at a loss if not elected. That's why you see few to no independent females running.

A few years ago this wa being talked about on TV. Like him or not but John Waters on it and he asked just that. If women want to get into politics why don't they run as Independents. The answer he got was it costs a lot to run as an Independent, more or less saying they'd have no problem with running once someone else picks up the bill for them.

10-02-2021 6:11pm

As I've pointed out before, women are even less likely to run as independents than for a party which shows the parties are already very much encouraging female candidates.

iptba · 10-02-2021 9:08pm

cms88 wrote: »

Good old Holly is on another rant. Complaining about her being the only female TD in Cork. I'm pretty such she wasn;t the only female TD who ran and also would be pretty much female voters would have voted for the male candidates also.

Says we desperately need more females at the top table. This is something i always laugh at. Nothing to back it up or anything like that. Also as an example the The Camogie Association top table is almost if not all female and it's one of the worst run associations in Ireland!

Also on the usual female sports not getting enough coverage etc Yet if you were to go to a ladies football game etc you'd more likely to see more men than women at games.

A column in a national newspaper today highlighting this.
I can't bring myself to read it. But there seems to be a bias in terms of what gets reported and/or what columnists highlight.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40223318.html

cms88 · 10-02-2021 9:26pm

iptba wrote: »

A column in a national newspaper today highlighting this.
I can't bring myself to read it. But there seems to be a bias in terms of what gets reported and/or what columnists highlight.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/opinion/columnists/arid-40223318.html

This latest thing of playing more Irish female music is just more of it. Maybe there isn't more bring played because it's just ****!

This there are no female voices etc By the large the what i would call ''the answer to a question no one asked'' are women. There are countless examples of women who feel the need to have an option on everything. There are plenty making a carrer out of it.

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