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JRPG general discussion

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,019 ✭✭✭Touch Fuzzy Get Dizzy


    Freya is my favorite character <3 in FF9, I'm gonna get that soon.
    Same, I liked Eiko (that her name?) too, just barely remember the story, so nostalgic seeing the cutscenes.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Same, I liked Eiko (that her name?) too, just barely remember the story, so nostalgic seeing the cutscenes.

    All I remember of the game is I loved it and I killed the last boss in my first try :D that and vivi annoyed me .


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I just remember I was low level and the final boss was a rng nightmare.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,388 ✭✭✭Cina


    About 30 hours into Ys VIII now, and wow, what a great game. A surprisingly great game. I mean, sure, it suffers from the usual dodgy graphics and poor localization you tend to get from JRPG's but the action-RPG battle system is just so.. much.. fun!


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Cina wrote: »
    About 30 hours into Ys VIII now, and wow, what a great game. A surprisingly great game. I mean, sure, it suffers from the usual dodgy graphics and poor localization you tend to get from JRPG's but the action-RPG battle system is just so.. much.. fun!

    Nothing surprising about it. Ys has been the best action RPG series since it first started and it's just heaps of fun. Falcom just make the best Action RPGs which are more fun and action packed than most plain action games. Recently played through Xanadu Next by them on steam and it was just an absolute blast. Like diablo if it was more focused on action rather than stats and some metroidvania elements.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Haven't played a Tales game yet, would Berseria be a good start or any recommendations? Not stuck for anything play and about to start into Ys VIII but Berseria is chape at the moment so was thinking of adding it to the JRPG queue.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    So if I was to try one of these Ys games.

    Where would be a good place to start?


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    skerry wrote: »
    Haven't played a Tales game yet, would Berseria be a good start or any recommendations? Not stuck for anything play and about to start into Ys VIII but Berseria is chape at the moment so was thinking of adding it to the JRPG queue.

    Vesperia or smyphonia would be my suggestion and then play beseria, just because beseria battles are faster than the former but the former have the better story lines IMO.
    noodler wrote: »
    So if I was to try one of these Ys games.

    Where would be a good place to start?

    Start with whatever one you want but I played celceta first and loved it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    noodler wrote: »
    So if I was to try one of these Ys games.

    Where would be a good place to start?

    Ys VIII is the newest but Oath in Felghana is a great one to get into as it's so well paced. Celceta as well is very good.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭noodler


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    Start with whatever one you want but I played celceta first and loved it.


    Just looking at the wiki but I've not vita so maybe 7s is the one to try first.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 DarioFER


    Suggest something closely similar to the golden age of Final Fantasy?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Vesperia or smyphonia would be my suggestion and then play beseria, just because beseria battles are faster than the former but the former have the better story lines IMO.



    Start with whatever one you want but I played celceta first and loved it.


    Just checked and saw that Symphonia is a PS3 title so that's out for me. Vesperia is full price on Switch and PS4 so will keep an eye out for sale on that. Tempted to pick up Berseria anyway, its down to 14.99 on Irish PSN Store as of today, not sure how often it gets discounted.



    Hoping to get started into Ys VIII this evening. About halfway through Xeno 2 but we need some serious time apart.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    noodler wrote: »
    Just looking at the wiki but I've not vita so maybe 7s is the one to try first.

    Oath is a much better game than 7. 7 is brilliant but a bit too talky.
    DarioFER wrote: »
    Suggest something closely similar to the golden age of Final Fantasy?

    Dragon Quest XI is a good shout. Persona 5 as well.

    If you have a 3DS there's plenty there as well such as Shin Megami Tensei 4 and the Etrian Odyssey games.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    skerry wrote: »
    Just checked and saw that Symphonia is a PS3 title so that's out for me. Vesperia is full price on Switch and PS4 so will keep an eye out for sale on that. Tempted to pick up Berseria anyway, its down to 14.99 on Irish PSN Store as of today, not sure how often it gets discounted.



    Hoping to get started into Ys VIII this evening. About halfway through Xeno 2 but we need some serious time apart.

    Ohh do pick it up and start that if you want, You can get symphonia on steam if you have it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    skerry wrote: »
    Just checked and saw that Symphonia is a PS3 title so that's out for me. Vesperia is full price on Switch and PS4 so will keep an eye out for sale on that. Tempted to pick up Berseria anyway, its down to 14.99 on Irish PSN Store as of today, not sure how often it gets discounted.



    Hoping to get started into Ys VIII this evening. About halfway through Xeno 2 but we need some serious time apart.

    Vesperia is a budget release so shouldn't be full price, even GameStop sell it for €45.

    Simply Games are selling the PS4 version for £25 and the Switch version for £35.

    https://www.simplygames.com/search?keywords=Tales+of+vesperia


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Vesperia is a budget release so shouldn't be full price, even GameStop sell it for €45.

    Simply Games are selling the PS4 version for £25 and the Switch version for £35.

    https://www.simplygames.com/search?keywords=Tales+of+vesperia


    Cheers, I'd be hopeful it will pop up on a sale soonish between the Switch and PS4, kind of prefer digital if I can get it at a decent price. Might get Berseria at that price either way, it'll be a while before I get to it anyway


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    skerry wrote: »
    Cheers, I'd be hopeful it will pop up on a sale soonish between the Switch and PS4, kind of prefer digital if I can get it at a decent price. Might get Berseria at that price either way, it'll be a while before I get to it anyway

    I would pick up Berseria, it is the best Tales game since Vesperia by far.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    And I'd recommend getting neither. There's much better games to play than Tales of games.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    The joys of having 3 Jrpg experts, three different valid opinion :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    The joys of having 3 Jrpg experts, three different valid opinion :pac:


    I was laughing at that, glowing praise followed by 'their crap' :D


    JPRG's can be very Marmite I'm finding


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Well I don't think they are crap but they are just so safe and mediocre. You can do better than bothering with the series.

    Also don't find JRPGs marmite. I find a lot of praise lately for the popular stuff like Ni No Kuni or Octopath Traveller. They got a lot of press but I feel they are just bad/mediocre games but there's been such a lack of good big budget RPGs that they tend to get put on a pedestal over better lesser known games. You've got stuff like DQXI, Etrian Odyssey, Trails of Cold Steel etc. getting overlooked because the gaming press no longer covers smaller games that won't get them clicks.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    Well I don't think they are crap but they are just so safe and mediocre. You can do better than bothering with the series.

    Also don't find JRPGs marmite. I find a lot of praise lately for the popular stuff like Ni No Kuni or Octopath Traveller. They got a lot of press but I feel they are just bad/mediocre games but there's been such a lack of good big budget RPGs that they tend to get put on a pedestal over better lesser known games. You've got stuff like DQXI, Etrian Odyssey, Trails of Cold Steel etc. getting overlooked because the gaming press no longer covers smaller games that won't get them clicks.

    Then all the praise for the total garbage Final Fantasy has been since the PS1.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭megaten


    I think the the marmite-ness of JRPG's is mostly a result of the bottom falling out of a lot of Japanese publishers having varied catalogs. Almost every Japanese publishers used to have a JRPG franchise but now most games are from niche developers and publishers, (NIS, Gust, Idea Factory) which make low budget games for niche audience's with only SE and Atlus/Sega left making mid/high tier games.

    Trails is a bit of an outlier left from a different time.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Then all the praise for the total garbage Final Fantasy has been since the PS1.

    FF13-2 and FF13-3 are fantastic games. And I used to hate FF12 but the zodiac job version makes it the great game it should have been.

    FF10 is overrated.

    Fight me.
    megaten wrote: »
    I think the the marmite-ness of JRPG's is mostly a result of the bottom falling out of a lot of Japanese publishers having varied catalogs. Almost every Japanese publishers used to have a JRPG franchise but now most games are from niche developers and publishers, (NIS, Gust, Idea Factory) which make low budget games for niche audience's with only SE and Atlus/Sega left making mid/high tier games.

    Trails is a bit of an outlier left from a different time.

    I think it's more games journalisms complete dismissal of handheld gaming as there's still amazing stuff there.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    There has been a big lack of good quirky mid budget titles for the last few years, I think quite a few of these have been replaced by studios switching focus to Visual Novels which have seen a steady increase in Western releases in the last few years and dungeon crawlers.

    As mentioned for every DQ, Disgaea, Persona, Ys, Trails, EO and SMT game you get bland mediocrity like Octopath, Bravely Default, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy and Ni no Kuni garnering all the sales and press.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭megaten


    Retr0gamer wrote: »

    I think it's more games journalisms complete dismissal of handheld gaming as there's still amazing stuff there.

    That only really applies to the PSP/DS era.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    Retr0gamer wrote: »
    FF13-2 and FF13-3 are fantastic games. And I used to hate FF12 but the zodiac job version makes it the great game it should have been.

    FF10 is overrated.

    Fight me.

    I enjoyed Lightning Returns, the time limit really adds an element of panic to the game despite being quite generous. 13-2 is not bad but suffers from being rushed.

    12 suffers from the change in director and the story being aimless for too long. The Zodiac System from International is a big improvement over vanilla I would agree. Also helps that you can speed up the slow combat.

    FF10 can have pretty much all the same criticism as 13 leveled at it, it is just as guilty of most of the same issues.

    FF15 was an absolute mess at launch that left me disinterested to revisit it up being updated. Didn't help that it launched near the same time as the vastly superior Persona 5.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Xenji wrote: »
    There has been a big lack of good quirky mid budget titles for the last few years, I think quite a few of these have been replaced by studios switching focus to Visual Novels which have seen a steady increase in Western releases in the last few years and dungeon crawlers.

    As mentioned for every DQ, Disgaea, Persona, Ys, Trails, EO and SMT game you get bland mediocrity like Octopath, Bravely Default, Star Ocean, Final Fantasy and Ni no Kuni garnering all the sales and press.

    Ya we don't need anymore blood visual novels or dungeon tropy dungeon crawlers :mad:, bring turn based combat .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,731 ✭✭✭✭K.O.Kiki


    Ya we don't need anymore blood visual novels or dungeon tropy dungeon crawlers :mad:, bring turn based combat .

    Visual novels & turn based combat have the same depth.

    Fight me :pac:


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    K.O.Kiki wrote: »
    Visual novels & turn based combat have the same depth.

    Fight me :pac:

    Get out!

    vHMXqPO.gif



    :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    What have I started :D:D

    Feic it, at 14.99 I'll give Berseria a shot. Will report back when I get stuck in and let ye know who was wrong or right on it ;)

    Have Dragon Quest XI on my radar too but not sure if I should wait for Switch release or just go with PS4 version.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    I'm waiting on switch to get stuck in proper. Playing dq8 post game so should be well done by release.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,897 ✭✭✭megaten


    skerry wrote: »

    Have Dragon Quest XI on my radar too but not sure if I should wait for Switch release or just go with PS4 version.

    Unless your a stickler for image quality it probably seems best to wait out for the switch release at this stage?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,696 ✭✭✭sniper_samurai


    skerry wrote: »
    What have I started :D:D

    Feic it, at 14.99 I'll give Berseria a shot. Will report back when I get stuck in and let ye know who was wrong or right on it ;)

    Have Dragon Quest XI on my radar too but not sure if I should wait for Switch release or just go with PS4 version.

    I'd wait for the Switch version seeing as the score is being redone by an orchestra and you can swap between the 3D graphics of the PS4 version and the 16 bit pixel art of the 3DS version.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    I'd wait for the Switch version seeing as the score is being redone by an orchestra and you can swap between the 3D graphics of the PS4 version and the 16 bit pixel art of the 3DS version.


    I had seen that they were adding the option to switch to pixel art which sounds interesting. Didn't know the score was being redone which I gather was one of the main criticisms of the PS4 release. Decision made so I think, I'll hold out for Switch.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    skerry wrote: »
    What have I started :D:D

    Feic it, at 14.99 I'll give Berseria a shot. Will report back when I get stuck in and let ye know who was wrong or right on it ;)

    Have Dragon Quest XI on my radar too but not sure if I should wait for Switch release or just go with PS4 version.

    You'll I was right in this instance :D :pac:



    kidding


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,348 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Gave Tales of Vesperia a real go on the Switch but couldn't for the life of me get into it. The battle system seemed all over the place and it was just old tropes and cliches in terms of characters.

    Going to start Radiant Historia on the 3DS after hearing decent things.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Started FF9 on the switch and it has these vertical borders on it and it really distracts from the game, probably wouldn't have bothered with it if I had known about it :-/.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,497 ✭✭✭✭noodler


    Started FF9 on the switch and it has these vertical borders on it and it really distracts from the game, probably wouldn't have bothered with it if I had known about it :-/.

    What's the alternative given its a 4:3 game though? Id hate to have it stretched or have bits of the screen cut


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    noodler wrote: »
    What's the alternative given its a 4:3 game though? Id hate to have it stretched or have bits of the screen cut

    Hmmm I suppose you're right :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,611 ✭✭✭✭ERG89


    Started FF9 on the switch and it has these vertical borders on it and it really distracts from the game, probably wouldn't have bothered with it if I had known about it :-/.

    Aren't the FF VII & IX console ports based on the Steam games which are basically the mobile versions of the ga.e or am I mixing it up with other games.


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,506 ✭✭✭✭Xenji


    ERG89 wrote: »
    Aren't the FF VII & IX console ports based on the Steam games which are basically the mobile versions of the ga.e or am I mixing it up with other games.

    All releases of the game after the mobile port or basically based on it, they even have all the same bugs and issues as well that were never fixed.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    ERG89 wrote: »
    Aren't the FF VII & IX console ports based on the Steam games which are basically the mobile versions of the ga.e or am I mixing it up with other games.
    Xenji wrote: »
    All releases of the game after the mobile port or basically based on it, they even have all the same bugs and issues as well that were never fixed.

    I thought it was the ps4 version :-/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,167 ✭✭✭Notorious


    I thought it was the ps4 version :-/


    So did I... But I eventually managed to look past the borders. I haven't played IX since it's release and I'm enjoying rediscovering it.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Rather a 4:3 presentation than a stretched presentation where everyone looks fat.

    I'd be more concerned about the washed out backgrounds due to them using the mobile art and terrible load times.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 80,755 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sephiroth_dude


    Notorious wrote: »
    I haven't played IX since it's release and I'm enjoying rediscovering it.

    Same here!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,189 ✭✭✭✭RobbingBandit


    Gave Tales of Vesperia a real go on the Switch but couldn't for the life of me get into it. The battle system seemed all over the place and it was just old tropes and cliches in terms of characters.

    Going to start Radiant Historia on the 3DS after hearing decent things.

    Radiant Historia is great played it through on friendly mode am at the final battle with about 45% of the backstory and about 60% of the sidequests done too. Never got this far on the ds version game is tough but enjoyable.

    Trying to start Dragon Quest VII again just not getting much from the opening island too much back and forth but that seems to be the aim of the game


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 51,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭Retr0gamer


    Nearly done with Dragon Quest 8. The 3DS version is visually downgraded from the PS2 original but the quality of life additions make up for it. It's a great remake of an already excellent game.

    Almost done with the Dragovian trials and will hit the optional super boss dungeon next. Should be able to hit lvl 99 pretty easily as well, liquid and king metal slime hunting is pretty painless in this game with a good set up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭skerry


    Got stuck back into Persona 5 again this week. Had played about 20 hours of it when I got PS4 first and left it down for some reason, I'm guessing some shiny new game walked into my life.

    Loving it now again. Almost finished second palace which I understand is a low point of the game and gets better from here so looking forward to giving this another good go and hopefully finish it this time.


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