Mitsubishi Pajero Replacment

Leonidas BL · 01-02-2019 12:56pm #1

So ive heard the Pajeros are up for replacment this year. Anyone know anything about it or what the replacments might be.

I love to see these puppies

Yawlboy · 02-02-2019 1:13am

Pajero again perhaps, they are still on sale and probably the cheapest option.

jonnybigwallet · 02-02-2019 2:51pm

I'll second that. If its good enough for the Taliban its fine for the DF. And throw in a few Bentley Bentagas for the generals!

mikeym · 03-02-2019 9:02pm

Probably the cheapest model they can get.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 05-02-2019 8:15pm

The Pajero is a piece of crap, it can't be replaced quick enough.

By far the best car we've had was the old Nissan GR6. Fantastic cars and loved by drivers, passengers and mechanics alike.

roadmaster · 06-02-2019 12:51pm

Alayna Polite Stereo wrote: »

The Pajero is a piece of crap, it can't be replaced quick enough.

By far the best car we've had was the old Nissan GR6. Fantastic cars and loved by drivers, passengers and mechanics alike.

Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

road_high · 06-02-2019 12:55pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

Not that many options- the Pajero is gone. There was supposed to be a Pajero Sport replacement coming but haven't seen it yet in Ireland. Think they are on sale in the Uk.
Of the traditional workhouse type 4*4 you have the Land Cruiser or Discovery.
Crew cabs seem to be where the action is due to tax reasons I think. They’re a lot cheaper

Stovepipe · 08-02-2019 10:33pm

A lot of crew cabs are too small in the back for a loaded soldier and the doors are sometimes too narrow. The DF would want to think carefully.......if I google Nissan GR6, all I get is gearboxes. What did it look like?

Oops! · 08-02-2019 10:37pm

At the moment the Landcruiser is the only realistic machine for the job. Those Nissan Patrols were some machine for the job.

jonnybigwallet · 09-02-2019 1:47pm

What about the Mercedes G Wagen?

Stovepipe · 09-02-2019 2:32pm

Too expensive for what it delivers, which is not much at all compared to any of the Japanese 4 x 4s. Mercedes prefers to flog them as Chelsea tractors. If you want a genuine gun tractor, get something like a Pinzgauer or a Land Rover Perentie (Isuzu).

Savage93 · 09-02-2019 6:20pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

Too expensive for what it delivers, which is not much at all compared to any of the Japanese 4 x 4s. Mercedes prefers to flog them as Chelsea tractors. If you want a genuine gun tractor, get something like a Pinzgauer or a Land Rover Perentie (Isuzu).

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Perenties being retired by the Aussies and being replaced by 4 and 6 wheel Mercedes G wagons. No longer in production.

Pinzgauer ceased manufacture in 2006 after they got slated for lack of IED protection for the Brits in Afghanistan.Again an old design dating back to the sixties.

Iveco 4x4 M70.20 would be a good contender but would probably be too expensive.
http://www.militarysystems-tech.com/articles/iveco-defence-vehicles-eurosatory

Yawlboy · 10-02-2019 3:28am

SSANGYONG it is then :

Larbre34 · 10-02-2019 4:39am

The Patrol is still made but unfortunately is has drifted away from utilitarian uses to more chintzy urban cruiser profile. The big diesels have been phased out too.

For my money, the only equivalent contender currently on the market is the Toyota Landcruiser (200 body) 5 door in GX spec (very basic, built for durability, with engine snorkel) and a 4.5L V8 diesel with 232 bhp. It is perhaps the best regarded and most capable utility 4x4 money can buy and although that body style is gone from the commercial market in Ireland, they are still built widely in right-hand drive for the Southern Hemisphere and could be ordered in bulk, for around the 40k per unit mark.

I also understand (correct me if I'm wrong) that this is the vehicle that forms the basis of the DF current order for 24 unmarked armoured passenger 4x4s from French defence and security vehicle specialist, Centigon. The commonality in mechanicals would have obvious benefits.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 10-02-2019 2:00pm

roadmaster wrote: »

Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

I'm not being harsh at all, try work with them and get back to me.

The Crewcab are grand for stores and other line work but they've a limited troop carrying capacity (although gear can be stored in the rear) plus they can't be worked in an FFR role, and the limit of their off road ability is as a stores van parked up at the ranges.

We've had some gearbox and clutch problems with ours too.

Over all they're not a bad workhorse but useless operationally.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 10-02-2019 2:18pm

Stovepipe wrote: »

A lot of crew cabs are too small in the back for a loaded soldier and the doors are sometimes too narrow. The DF would want to think carefully.......if I google Nissan GR6, all I get is gearboxes. What did it look like?

The only problem with the doors on the Crewcab is a lack of them. Its only a three door, the rear passengers only have a sliding door on the near side and nothing else.

Google 'Nissan Patrol GR6', there's loads of images.

Savage93 · 10-02-2019 8:52pm

Yawlboy wrote: »

SSANGYONG it is then :

A bit Waltish but if money were no object how about this

https://www.armyrecognition.com/israel_israeli_wheeled_armoured_and_vehicle_uk/combatguard_imi_4x4_combat_armoured_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

mikeym · 10-02-2019 10:34pm

They might go down the electric route and get environmentally friendly jeeps.

Oops! · 10-02-2019 11:19pm

Savage93 wrote: »

https://www.armyrecognition.com/israel_israeli_wheeled_armoured_and_vehicle_uk/combatguard_imi_4x4_combat_armoured_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

Now your talking.... Could Isreal Military Industries have one eye on a Dakar rally entry later this year??

Larbre34 · 11-02-2019 2:43am

mikeym wrote: »

They might go down the electric route and get environmentally friendly jeeps.

There are no such electric vehicles yet, even hybrid, that can offer the power, torque and maintenance profile of a big turbo diesel 4x4 utility.

Diesel will be the fuel of commercial haulage and the military for many years to come.

Mike9832 · 11-02-2019 2:50am

Larbre34 wrote: »

There are no such electric vehicles yet, even hybrid, that can offer the power, torque and maintenance profile of a big turbo diesel 4x4 utility.

Diesel will be the fuel of commercial haulage and the military for many years to come.

Tesla Model X?

11-02-2019 2:58am

Mike9832 wrote: »

Tesla Model X?

Put down that can and go to bed.

Markcheese · 12-02-2019 10:49am

Toyota 70 series, a mix of flatbed, twin cab, and "troop carriers" (estates),
Or the iveco daily 4x4, seven seater twin cab, https://youtu.be/1Aq3qS4MF-
But it depends what they want them to do..

Yawlboy · 13-02-2019 5:10am

I agree on the Toyotas but I think this is the Irish Defence Forces, they wont even acknowledge that servicemen and women aren't being paid properly.They will buy the cheapest off the shelf vehicle they can get.

source · 13-02-2019 10:45am

Yawlboy wrote: »

I agree on the Toyotas but I think this is the Irish Defence Forces, they wont even acknowledge that servicemen and women aren't being paid properly.They will buy the cheapest off the shelf vehicle they can get.

Dusters most likely if the bean counters got their way.

Leonidas BL · 13-02-2019 2:43pm

source wrote: »

Dusters most likely if the bean counters got their way.

Two of the requirements are a 3500kg towing capacity and a 600 liter boot. It wont be a duster and i'm not even sure if a Land Cruiser has a boot that big.

Edit: I just checked it there, it actually has a 620 liter boot but only has 3000kg towing capacity.

source · 13-02-2019 3:17pm

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Two of the requirements are a 3500kg towing capacity and a 600 liter boot. It wont be a duster and i'm not even sure if a Land Cruiser has a boot that big.

Edit: I just checked it there, it actually has a 620 liter boot but only has 3000kg towing capacity.

I was being facetious.

Markcheese · 13-02-2019 5:54pm

The 70 series can tow 3.5 ton, fully loaded...
But just noticed the "troop carrier" version doesn't have rear passenger doors, (obviously it has the barn doors at the back) which would probably rule it out...
Edit.. Just spotted, there is an SUV version as well which has 5 doors, and a twin cab.
No idea how much they'd cost here though..

View Profile · 14-02-2019 1:19pm

Would the likes of the Iveco LMV 2 meet the brief?
Seems capable and it's already proven with various other nations in combat.

Heraldoffreeent · 14-02-2019 8:34pm

View Profile wrote: »

Would the likes of the Iveco LMV 2 meet the brief?
Seems capable and it's already proven with various other nations in combat.

DF evaluated that around the time they bought the LTAVs, decided not to go with it. I think they're in the Eur 250,000 bracket.

Markcheese · 15-02-2019 11:37am

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

DF evaluated that around the time they bought the LTAVs, decided not to go with it. I think they're in the Eur 250,000 bracket.

I assume they're not really what the df is looking for anyway at the moment, a soft skin 4wd runabout, with a decent towing capacity.

Gravelly · 15-02-2019 11:58am

I know nothing about the military or its requirements, but is there a reason why the crewcab Hilux isn't an option? All the advantages of the Landcruiser, but a bigger "boot".

Yawlboy · 15-02-2019 12:21pm

The Coastguard bought the latest Landrover Discovery, perhaps the DF will consider them? Automatic only though but with their current financial troubles I'm sure JLR would love a big deal.

Markcheese · 15-02-2019 1:02pm

Landcruiser would be a lot tougher,(and dearer) and comes in a flat bed pick up as well.

Leonidas BL · 15-02-2019 5:34pm

Markcheese wrote: »

Landcruiser would be a lot tougher,(and dearer) and comes in a flat bed pick up as well.

Landcruiser only tows 3000kg, needs to be 3500kg.

Heraldoffreeent · 15-02-2019 8:03pm

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Landcruiser only tows 3000kg, needs to be 3500kg.

RAC says it can.

For towing weights above 2,000kg, there are a limited number of suitable vehicles, but the following can cope with towing up to 3,500kg: Land Rovers Defender and Discovery, Range Rover, Mitsubishi Shogun, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Isuzu Trooper, BMW X6, Kia Sorento, Toyota Land Cruiser, Mercedes-Benz GL and M-Class and the VW Touareg.

https://www.raccars.co.uk/news/towing-capacity-guide

Leonidas BL · 15-02-2019 8:22pm

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

RAC says it can.

https://www.raccars.co.uk/news/towing-capacity-guide

Everyone else must be wrong so, including Toyota.

Markcheese · 15-02-2019 11:24pm

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Everyone else must be wrong so, including Toyota.

To be fair, the 70 series landcruiser isnt on sale in Ireland or the UK, its still being made, and they still sell loads of them in australia.

https://www.toyota.com.au/main/landcruiser-70

One of their big selling points is that they are approved 3.5 ton while carrying almost ton on board.

Larbre34 · 16-02-2019 2:34am

The LC70 is on leaf springs FFS!

Two reasons for that. 1) easy to repair / swap out in the middle of nowhere. 2) 70s are ubiquitous in Australian mining and bush farming. The leaf springs are so appallingly uncomfortable so as to keep inexperienced drivers / employers from going too fast and coming a cropper in them.

The Pajero is light years ahead of it for Irish conditions.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-02-2019 6:13pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

The LC70 is on leaf springs FFS!

Two reasons for that. 1) easy to repair / swap out in the middle of nowhere. 2) 70s are ubiquitous in Australian mining and bush farming. The leaf springs are so appallingly uncomfortable so as to keep inexperienced drivers / employers from going too fast and coming a cropper in them.

The Pajero is light years ahead of it for Irish conditions.

It was an LC70 which overturned killing four Irish soldiers who were serving with the 86th Inf Bn.

Leonidas BL · 19-02-2019 6:18pm

Alayna Polite Stereo wrote: »

It was an LC70 which overturned killing four Irish soldiers who were serving with the 86th Inf Bn.

Hopefully they'll be left to the Aussies so.....

gctest50 · 19-02-2019 6:22pm

They need roll bars

arybvtcw0eolkf · 19-02-2019 11:51pm

gctest50 wrote: »

They need roll bars

They had roll bars in Lebanon. No one liked that particular vehicle, either the pick up 'not the saloon/jeep version.

Leonidas BL · 01-03-2019 4:41pm

https://www.carwow.co.uk/land-rover/news/1819/land-rover-defender-price-specs-and-release-date

It'll be interesting to see what the specs on this will be.

wassie · 26-03-2019 11:03pm

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Landcruiser only tows 3000kg, needs to be 3500kg.

Must be remembered for what ever reason here in Ireland (and EU) what we call the Land Cruiser (LC150 series) is what the rest of the world calls a (Landcruiser) Prado.
A 'real' Landcruiser (i.e. 70, 100 & 200 series) are more than capable to tow 3500kg.

Heraldoffreeent · 18-08-2019 2:59pm

So Landcruiser it is.

Larbre34 · 18-08-2019 8:33pm

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

So Landcruiser it is.

Is it?

Heraldoffreeent · 20-08-2019 4:26pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Is it?

Yes.

http://www.autotrade.ie/index.php/irish-defence-forces-invests-in-new-toyota-land-cruisers/47492

a/tel · 21-08-2019 10:15pm

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

Yes.

http://www.autotrade.ie/index.php/irish-defence-forces-invests-in-new-toyota-land-cruisers/47492

Over €11m approx.

A lot of money when low pay is issue No 1 at present.

Larbre34 · 21-08-2019 10:38pm

a/tel wrote: »

Over €11m approx.

A lot of money when low pay is issue No 1 at present.

Separate issues.

DF pay is hamstrung as like the Guards it was linked to the rest of the public service but heavily augmented by allowances unlike most of the PS. The doomsday scenario for the Government is decoupling any one part of the PS from the rest.

Capital expenditure for equipment like vehicles, weapons systems, planes and ships is much easier to turn on and off with the economic winds.

Leonidas BL · 22-08-2019 8:23pm

Land Cruiser is finishing up production in 2022, I wonder will this affect spare parts???

Mitsubishi Pajero Replacment

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