Mitsubishi Pajero Replacment

Leonidas BL

So ive heard the Pajeros are up for replacment this year. Anyone know anything about it or what the replacments might be.

I love to see these puppies

Yawlboy

Pajero again perhaps, they are still on sale and probably the cheapest option.

jonnybigwallet

I'll second that. If its good enough for the Taliban its fine for the DF. And throw in a few Bentley Bentagas for the generals!

mikeym

Probably the cheapest model they can get.

arybvtcw0eolkf

The Pajero is a piece of crap, it can't be replaced quick enough.

By far the best car we've had was the old Nissan GR6. Fantastic cars and loved by drivers, passengers and mechanics alike.

roadmaster

Alayna Polite Stereo wrote: »

The Pajero is a piece of crap, it can't be replaced quick enough.

By far the best car we've had was the old Nissan GR6. Fantastic cars and loved by drivers, passengers and mechanics alike.

Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

road_high

roadmaster wrote: »

Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

Not that many options- the Pajero is gone. There was supposed to be a Pajero Sport replacement coming but haven't seen it yet in Ireland. Think they are on sale in the Uk.
Of the traditional workhouse type 4*4 you have the Land Cruiser or Discovery.
Crew cabs seem to be where the action is due to tax reasons I think. They’re a lot cheaper

Stovepipe

A lot of crew cabs are too small in the back for a loaded soldier and the doors are sometimes too narrow. The DF would want to think carefully.......if I google Nissan GR6, all I get is gearboxes. What did it look like?

Oops!

At the moment the Landcruiser is the only realistic machine for the job. Those Nissan Patrols were some machine for the job.

jonnybigwallet

What about the Mercedes G Wagen?

Stovepipe

Too expensive for what it delivers, which is not much at all compared to any of the Japanese 4 x 4s. Mercedes prefers to flog them as Chelsea tractors. If you want a genuine gun tractor, get something like a Pinzgauer or a Land Rover Perentie (Isuzu).

Savage93

Stovepipe wrote: »

Too expensive for what it delivers, which is not much at all compared to any of the Japanese 4 x 4s. Mercedes prefers to flog them as Chelsea tractors. If you want a genuine gun tractor, get something like a Pinzgauer or a Land Rover Perentie (Isuzu).

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Perenties being retired by the Aussies and being replaced by 4 and 6 wheel Mercedes G wagons. No longer in production.

Pinzgauer ceased manufacture in 2006 after they got slated for lack of IED protection for the Brits in Afghanistan.Again an old design dating back to the sixties.

Iveco 4x4 M70.20 would be a good contender but would probably be too expensive.
http://www.militarysystems-tech.com/articles/iveco-defence-vehicles-eurosatory

Yawlboy

SSANGYONG it is then :

Larbre34

The Patrol is still made but unfortunately is has drifted away from utilitarian uses to more chintzy urban cruiser profile. The big diesels have been phased out too.

For my money, the only equivalent contender currently on the market is the Toyota Landcruiser (200 body) 5 door in GX spec (very basic, built for durability, with engine snorkel) and a 4.5L V8 diesel with 232 bhp. It is perhaps the best regarded and most capable utility 4x4 money can buy and although that body style is gone from the commercial market in Ireland, they are still built widely in right-hand drive for the Southern Hemisphere and could be ordered in bulk, for around the 40k per unit mark.

I also understand (correct me if I'm wrong) that this is the vehicle that forms the basis of the DF current order for 24 unmarked armoured passenger 4x4s from French defence and security vehicle specialist, Centigon. The commonality in mechanicals would have obvious benefits.

arybvtcw0eolkf

roadmaster wrote: »

Bit harsh on the pajero i always found them good old bus. You right about the nissan GR6 possibility one of the greatest jeeps ever built . Would a crew cab not suit the defense forces better especially with the room in the back. They could put a cover on and off as needed and more carrying capacity

I'm not being harsh at all, try work with them and get back to me.

The Crewcab are grand for stores and other line work but they've a limited troop carrying capacity (although gear can be stored in the rear) plus they can't be worked in an FFR role, and the limit of their off road ability is as a stores van parked up at the ranges.

We've had some gearbox and clutch problems with ours too.

Over all they're not a bad workhorse but useless operationally.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Stovepipe wrote: »

A lot of crew cabs are too small in the back for a loaded soldier and the doors are sometimes too narrow. The DF would want to think carefully.......if I google Nissan GR6, all I get is gearboxes. What did it look like?

The only problem with the doors on the Crewcab is a lack of them. Its only a three door, the rear passengers only have a sliding door on the near side and nothing else.

Google 'Nissan Patrol GR6', there's loads of images.

Savage93

Yawlboy wrote: »

SSANGYONG it is then :


A bit Waltish but if money were no object how about this

https://www.armyrecognition.com/israel_israeli_wheeled_armoured_and_vehicle_uk/combatguard_imi_4x4_combat_armoured_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

mikeym

They might go down the electric route and get environmentally friendly jeeps.

Oops!

Savage93 wrote: »

https://www.armyrecognition.com/israel_israeli_wheeled_armoured_and_vehicle_uk/combatguard_imi_4x4_combat_armoured_vehicle_technical_data_sheet_specifications_pictures_video.html

Now your talking.... Could Isreal Military Industries have one eye on a Dakar rally entry later this year??

Larbre34

mikeym wrote: »

They might go down the electric route and get environmentally friendly jeeps.

There are no such electric vehicles yet, even hybrid, that can offer the power, torque and maintenance profile of a big turbo diesel 4x4 utility.

Diesel will be the fuel of commercial haulage and the military for many years to come.

Mike9832

Larbre34 wrote: »

There are no such electric vehicles yet, even hybrid, that can offer the power, torque and maintenance profile of a big turbo diesel 4x4 utility.

Diesel will be the fuel of commercial haulage and the military for many years to come.

Tesla Model X?

Mike9832

Mike9832 wrote: »

Tesla Model X?

Put down that can and go to bed.

Markcheese

Toyota 70 series, a mix of flatbed, twin cab, and "troop carriers" (estates),
Or the iveco daily 4x4, seven seater twin cab, https://youtu.be/1Aq3qS4MF-
But it depends what they want them to do..

Yawlboy

I agree on the Toyotas but I think this is the Irish Defence Forces, they wont even acknowledge that servicemen and women aren't being paid properly.They will buy the cheapest off the shelf vehicle they can get.

source

Yawlboy wrote: »

I agree on the Toyotas but I think this is the Irish Defence Forces, they wont even acknowledge that servicemen and women aren't being paid properly.They will buy the cheapest off the shelf vehicle they can get.

Dusters most likely if the bean counters got their way.

Leonidas BL

source wrote: »

Dusters most likely if the bean counters got their way.

Two of the requirements are a 3500kg towing capacity and a 600 liter boot. It wont be a duster and i'm not even sure if a Land Cruiser has a boot that big.

Edit: I just checked it there, it actually has a 620 liter boot but only has 3000kg towing capacity.

source

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Two of the requirements are a 3500kg towing capacity and a 600 liter boot. It wont be a duster and i'm not even sure if a Land Cruiser has a boot that big.

Edit: I just checked it there, it actually has a 620 liter boot but only has 3000kg towing capacity.

I was being facetious.

Markcheese

The 70 series can tow 3.5 ton, fully loaded...
But just noticed the "troop carrier" version doesn't have rear passenger doors, (obviously it has the barn doors at the back) which would probably rule it out...
Edit.. Just spotted, there is an SUV version as well which has 5 doors, and a twin cab.
No idea how much they'd cost here though..

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Would the likes of the Iveco LMV 2 meet the brief?
Seems capable and it's already proven with various other nations in combat.

Heraldoffreeent

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Would the likes of the Iveco LMV 2 meet the brief?
Seems capable and it's already proven with various other nations in combat.

DF evaluated that around the time they bought the LTAVs, decided not to go with it. I think they're in the Eur 250,000 bracket.

Markcheese

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

DF evaluated that around the time they bought the LTAVs, decided not to go with it. I think they're in the Eur 250,000 bracket.

I assume they're not really what the df is looking for anyway at the moment, a soft skin 4wd runabout, with a decent towing capacity.

Gravelly

I know nothing about the military or its requirements, but is there a reason why the crewcab Hilux isn't an option? All the advantages of the Landcruiser, but a bigger "boot".

Yawlboy

The Coastguard bought the latest Landrover Discovery, perhaps the DF will consider them? Automatic only though but with their current financial troubles I'm sure JLR would love a big deal.

Markcheese

Landcruiser would be a lot tougher,(and dearer) and comes in a flat bed pick up as well.

Leonidas BL

Markcheese wrote: »

Landcruiser would be a lot tougher,(and dearer) and comes in a flat bed pick up as well.

Landcruiser only tows 3000kg, needs to be 3500kg.

Heraldoffreeent

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Landcruiser only tows 3000kg, needs to be 3500kg.

RAC says it can.

For towing weights above 2,000kg, there are a limited number of suitable vehicles, but the following can cope with towing up to 3,500kg: Land Rovers Defender and Discovery, Range Rover, Mitsubishi Shogun, Jeep Grand Cherokee, Isuzu Trooper, BMW X6, Kia Sorento, Toyota Land Cruiser, Mercedes-Benz GL and M-Class and the VW Touareg.

https://www.raccars.co.uk/news/towing-capacity-guide

Leonidas BL

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

RAC says it can.



https://www.raccars.co.uk/news/towing-capacity-guide

Everyone else must be wrong so, including Toyota.

Markcheese

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Everyone else must be wrong so, including Toyota.

To be fair, the 70 series landcruiser isnt on sale in Ireland or the UK, its still being made, and they still sell loads of them in australia.

https://www.toyota.com.au/main/landcruiser-70

One of their big selling points is that they are approved 3.5 ton while carrying almost ton on board.

Larbre34

The LC70 is on leaf springs FFS!

Two reasons for that. 1) easy to repair / swap out in the middle of nowhere. 2) 70s are ubiquitous in Australian mining and bush farming. The leaf springs are so appallingly uncomfortable so as to keep inexperienced drivers / employers from going too fast and coming a cropper in them.

The Pajero is light years ahead of it for Irish conditions.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Larbre34 wrote: »

The LC70 is on leaf springs FFS!

Two reasons for that. 1) easy to repair / swap out in the middle of nowhere. 2) 70s are ubiquitous in Australian mining and bush farming. The leaf springs are so appallingly uncomfortable so as to keep inexperienced drivers / employers from going too fast and coming a cropper in them.

The Pajero is light years ahead of it for Irish conditions.

It was an LC70 which overturned killing four Irish soldiers who were serving with the 86th Inf Bn.

Leonidas BL

Alayna Polite Stereo wrote: »

It was an LC70 which overturned killing four Irish soldiers who were serving with the 86th Inf Bn.

Hopefully they'll be left to the Aussies so.....

gctest50

They need roll bars

arybvtcw0eolkf

gctest50 wrote: »

They need roll bars

They had roll bars in Lebanon. No one liked that particular vehicle, either the pick up 'not the saloon/jeep version.

Leonidas BL

https://www.carwow.co.uk/land-rover/news/1819/land-rover-defender-price-specs-and-release-date

It'll be interesting to see what the specs on this will be.

wassie

Leonidas BL wrote: »

Landcruiser only tows 3000kg, needs to be 3500kg.

Must be remembered for what ever reason here in Ireland (and EU) what we call the Land Cruiser (LC150 series) is what the rest of the world calls a (Landcruiser) Prado.
A 'real' Landcruiser (i.e. 70, 100 & 200 series) are more than capable to tow 3500kg.

Heraldoffreeent

So Landcruiser it is.

Larbre34

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

So Landcruiser it is.

Is it?

Heraldoffreeent

Larbre34 wrote: »

Is it?

Yes.

http://www.autotrade.ie/index.php/irish-defence-forces-invests-in-new-toyota-land-cruisers/47492

a/tel

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

Yes.

http://www.autotrade.ie/index.php/irish-defence-forces-invests-in-new-toyota-land-cruisers/47492

Over €11m approx.

A lot of money when low pay is issue No 1 at present.

Larbre34

a/tel wrote: »

Over €11m approx.

A lot of money when low pay is issue No 1 at present.

Separate issues.

DF pay is hamstrung as like the Guards it was linked to the rest of the public service but heavily augmented by allowances unlike most of the PS. The doomsday scenario for the Government is decoupling any one part of the PS from the rest.

Capital expenditure for equipment like vehicles, weapons systems, planes and ships is much easier to turn on and off with the economic winds.

Leonidas BL

Land Cruiser is finishing up production in 2022, I wonder will this affect spare parts???