Interclub Competitions

Seve OB · 19-12-2018 2:47pm

tournament conditions book still lists PP as Scotch

Benicetomonty · 19-12-2018 5:47pm

Is there a qualifier for the Senior Cup now? Draw would suggest there is. Wasnt aware that was coming in.

Wichita Lineman · 19-12-2018 6:13pm

Seve OB wrote: »

tournament conditions book still lists PP as Scotch

Tournament conditions book is 2018, I'd imagine a 2019 one will be there in due course.

Kingswood Rover · 19-12-2018 6:31pm

Anyone got an idea what the format and handicap criteria are for that new fred perry over 55 gui interclubcould not find any details on the gui site

mafc · 19-12-2018 6:50pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Anyone got an idea what the format and handicap criteria are for that new fred perry over 55 gui interclubcould not find any details on the gui site

Never realised you were that old! ðŸ˜‚

Poker Face · 19-12-2018 7:22pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Anyone got an idea what the format and handicap criteria are for that new fred perry over 55 gui interclubcould not find any details on the gui site

Irish Seniors Inter Club Tournament, over 55 1st Jan in year of
tournament, home or away (top team drawn at home, no splitting of
teams). Team of 10 (5 pairs), max individual handicap 28, combined 42 -
based on lowest last year. No caddies allowed; four-ball allowance and
four card rule in previous year applies. Winners to submit details by
prescribed deadlines as issued with Cups & Shields draws.

Seve OB · 19-12-2018 7:23pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Anyone got an idea what the format and handicap criteria are for that new fred perry over 55 gui interclubcould not find any details on the gui site

Is that some sort of tennis thing?

Kingswood Rover · 20-12-2018 9:31am

mafc wrote: »

Never realised you were that old! &#55357;&#56834;

ah thats still young i suppose its the life of abstinence, prayer, yoga and mindfulness:D

20-12-2018 10:56am

Benicetomonty wrote: »

Is there a qualifier for the Senior Cup now? Draw would suggest there is. Wasnt aware that was coming in.

Leinster Golf changed the 1st day to a strokeplay qualifier from next year.

Kingswood Rover · 07-01-2019 11:23pm

Poker Face wrote: »

Irish Seniors Inter Club Tournament, over 55 1st Jan in year of
tournament, home or away (top team drawn at home, no splitting of
teams). Team of 10 (5 pairs), max individual handicap 28, combined 42 -
based on lowest last year. No caddies allowed; four-ball allowance and
four card rule in previous year applies. Winners to submit details by
prescribed deadlines as issued with Cups & Shields draws.

Hi Poker face, thanks for that am managing our guys in this comp, can,t find anything on the GUI site. Forgive my ignorance but what does no splitting of teams mean.:eek:

SEORG · 08-01-2019 1:43pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

Hi Poker face, thanks for that am managing our guys in this comp, can,t find anything on the GUI site. Forgive my ignorance but what does no splitting of teams mean.:eek:

It just means that all five matches take place at one venue (the top team in the draw are the home team)
Some comps used to split the matches where 3 would take place in the home club and 2 at the away teams club (at the same time).

Kingswood Rover · 08-01-2019 2:57pm

SEORG wrote: »

It just means that all five matches take place at one venue (the top team in the draw are the home team)
Some comps used to split the matches where 3 would take place in the home club and 2 at the away teams club (at the same time).

i was hoping it wasn't that we are drawn away, whatever about sneaking one match away but 3 that really does give the home team a massive chance. load of me B.....:mad:

Poker Face · 08-01-2019 10:59pm

Kingswood Rover wrote: »

i was hoping it wasn't that we are drawn away, whatever about sneaking one match away but 3 that really does give the home team a massive chance. load of me B.....:mad:

What SEORG said is correct. Big adv to come out first in the draw.

Kingswood Rover · 09-01-2019 9:27am

Poker Face wrote: »

What SEORG said is correct. Big adv to come out first in the draw.

y
I got the draw sheet sent on to me last night and in the top right hand corner it says that the club on top of the draw has 3 matches at home so same as most interclub.

Dotzie · 17-02-2019 10:46pm

A player shall have, in the calendar year prior to the event, returned a minimum of four returns in qualifying competitions (supplementary scores are not included) all of which must be recorded on the handicap records of the player’s home club on or before 31st December in the calendar year prior to the event. Nine-Hole qualifying competitions are admissible under this rule. Note: If a player changes his club during the previous calendar year, it is his responsibility to produce evidence of having competed in a minimum of four Qualifying Competitions.

Do the four returns have to be on your home course or can someone play interclub competitions that has for example played 2 home comps and 10 away comps last year?

Golfhead65 · 17-02-2019 11:39pm

Dotzie wrote: »

A player shall have, in the calendar year prior to the event, returned a minimum of four returns in qualifying competitions (supplementary scores are not included) all of which must be recorded on the handicap records of the player’s home club on or before 31st December in the calendar year prior to the event. Nine-Hole qualifying competitions are admissible under this rule. Note: If a player changes his club during the previous calendar year, it is his responsibility to produce evidence of having competed in a minimum of four Qualifying Competitions.

Do the four returns have to be on your home course or can someone play interclub competitions that has for example played 2 home comps and 10 away comps last year?

You must have played 4 qualifying comps in your home club in previous calendar year to qualify for GUI Interclub events...If you change from Club A to Club B and want to represent Club B in Interclub events you need 4 qualifiers from Club A..it doesn't matter if you played 10 opens last year in Club B as it was not your home club in that year..

Dotzie · 17-02-2019 11:52pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

You must have played 4 qualifying comps in your home club in previous calendar year to qualify for GUI Interclub events...If you change from Club A to Club B and want to represent Club B in Interclub events you need 4 qualifiers from Club A..it doesn't matter if you played 10 opens last year in Club B as it was not your home club in that year..

Thanks for the response. That's what I thought just wanted to be ðŸ’¯ sure.

Poker Face · 18-02-2019 12:47am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

You must have played 4 qualifying comps in your home club in previous calendar year to qualify for GUI Interclub events...If you change from Club A to Club B and want to represent Club B in Interclub events you need 4 qualifiers from Club A..it doesn't matter if you played 10 opens last year in Club B as it was not your home club in that year..

This is not correct. The 4 qualifying comps do not have to be all from your home club. As long as you play 4 qualifying competitions during the year at any course you qualify for GUI Interclub events.

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 8:24am

Poker Face wrote: »

This is not correct. The 4 qualifying comps do not have to be all from your home club. As long as you play 4 qualifying competitions during the year at any course you qualify for GUI Interclub events.

Totally wrong as you need at least 3 at home club to even hold your competition handicap, I've been running Interclub for years and I know the criteria

SEORG · 19-02-2019 8:51am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Totally wrong as you need at least 3 at home club to even hold your competition handicap, I've been running Interclub for years and I know the criteria

Incorrect, for GUI cups & shields you need four qualifying returned card in the previous calendar year.
They don’t have to be from your home club.

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 9:25am

SEORG wrote: »

Incorrect, for GUI cups & shields you need four qualifying returned card in the previous calendar year.
They don’t have to be from your home club.

Look up cups and shields tournament conditions, I can't attach here and it clearly states 4 qualifying at home club,

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 9:26am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Look up cups and shields tournament conditions, I can't attach here and it clearly states 4 qualifying at home club,

Here it is

GreeBo · 19-02-2019 9:28am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Here it is

The rounds have to be recorded on your handicap record at your home club, the rounds dont need to be played on your home course.

Rikand · 19-02-2019 9:46am

From the tournament conditions book ::

11. In order to be eligible to compete in the AIG Junior Cup, Jimmy Bruen, Pierce Purcell, Irish Mixed Foursomes,
Connacht Shield, Jack O’Sullivan, GUI All-Ireland Four-Ball Inter-Club Championship, Nine Hole Course Inter Club and
Seniors Inter Club, a Player shall have, in the previous Calendar Year prior to the event, returned a minimum of four
Cards in Qualifying competitions, all of which must be recorded on the handicap Records of the Players Home Club on
or before December 31st in the year immediately preceding the year of the Event.
Note: If a Player changes his Home Club during the previous calendar year, it is his responsibility to produce
evidence of having competed in a minimum of four qualifying competitions.

There's definitely some ambiguity though. Does a score recorded away from home but reported on your handicap report count.

Rikand · 19-02-2019 9:47am

My pony is slow

golfguy1 · 19-02-2019 9:50am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

Look up cups and shields tournament conditions, I can't attach here and it clearly states 4 qualifying at home club,

Nowhere does it clearly state that.
All the rule says is u must have 4 qualifying comps on your handicap record which is held at your home club

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 9:50am

I'm doing this for years, try playing in an Interclub comp and not have 4 home qualifiers...Decision DQ

golfguy1 · 19-02-2019 9:59am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

I'm doing this for years, try playing in an Interclub comp and not have 4 home qualifiers...Decision DQ

I and many others have been involved for yrs and have never seen/heard of your interpretation of the rule.

Poker Face · 19-02-2019 10:12am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

I'm doing this for years, try playing in an Interclub comp and not have 4 home qualifiers...Decision DQ

11. In order to be eligible to compete in the AIG Junior Cup, Jimmy Bruen, Pierce Purcell, Irish Mixed Foursomes,
Connacht Shield, Jack O’Sullivan, GUI All-Ireland Four-Ball Inter-Club Championship, Nine Hole Course Inter Club and
Seniors Inter Club, a Player shall have, in the previous Calendar Year prior to the event, returned a minimum of four
Cards in Qualifying competitions, all of which must be recorded on the handicap Records of the Players Home Club on
or before December 31st in the year immediately preceding the year of the Event.
Note: If a Player changes his Home Club during the previous calendar year, it is his responsibility to produce
evidence of having competed in a minimum of four qualifying competitions.

The bit in bold says nothing about having 4 qualifying home competitions. Just says they must be on your HC record before Dec 31st. Where have you seen this rule that you need 4 home qualifying comps

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 11:16am

Poker Face wrote: »

11. In order to be eligible to compete in the AIG Junior Cup, Jimmy Bruen, Pierce Purcell, Irish Mixed Foursomes,
Connacht Shield, Jack O’Sullivan, GUI All-Ireland Four-Ball Inter-Club Championship, Nine Hole Course Inter Club and
Seniors Inter Club, a Player shall have, in the previous Calendar Year prior to the event, returned a minimum of four
Cards in Qualifying competitions, all of which must be recorded on the handicap Records of the Players Home Club on
or before December 31st in the year immediately preceding the year of the Event.
Note: If a Player changes his Home Club during the previous calendar year, it is his responsibility to produce
evidence of having competed in a minimum of four qualifying competitions.

The bit in bold says nothing about having 4 qualifying home competitions. Just says they must be on your HC record before Dec 31st. Where have you seen this rule that you need 4 home qualifying comps

I think the proof is in the reading ! All I'll say on this matter is try doing it and see if you get away with it,also what's your home club and I'll watch out for them Lol..This is getting into argument for arguments sake, I've been there believe me, you can argue till the cows come home but it's 4 home qualifiers

golfguy1 · 19-02-2019 11:20am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

I think the proof is in the reading ! All I'll say on this matter is try doing it and see if you get away with it,also what's your home club and I'll watch out for them Lol..This is getting into argument for arguments sake, I've been there believe me, you can argue till the cows come home but it's 4 home qualifiers

Ah come on. It is shown to you in bold from the gui booklet and still u say ur correct.
Is there any possibility that all of us trying to correct you may be right.
Also you might be ruling out some of your members from representing your club all because u refuse to read the rule properly

Seve OB · 19-02-2019 11:30am

golfguy1 wrote: »

Ah come on. It is shown to you in bold from the gui booklet and still u say it correct.
Is there any possibility that all of us trying to correct you may be right.
Also you might be ruling out some of your members from representing your club all because u refuse to read the rule properly

In fairness to you really think that anyone serious enough to join a club won't have at least 4 rounds in their home club? And if they don't, are they really going to be considered for a team? Most likely not in most clubs, but possibly in smaller clubs struggling for numbers to put a team together.

SEORG · 19-02-2019 11:33am

Seve OB wrote: »

In fairness to you really think that anyone serious enough to join a club won't have at least 4 rounds in their home club? And if they don't, are they really going to be considered for a team? Most likely not in most clubs, but possibly in smaller clubs struggling for numbers to put a team together.

It's possible for members with dual membership.....they're handicapped out of one club and can represent both just not in the same competition. eg. Junior Cup & Jimmy Bruen.

golfguy1 · 19-02-2019 11:33am

Seve OB wrote: »

In fairness to you really think that anyone serious enough to join a club won't have at least 4 rounds in their home club? And if they don't, are they really going to be considered for a team? Most likely not in most clubs, but possibly in smaller clubs struggling for numbers to put a team together.

My partner for the Irish mixed was sent to a open singles to get her 4th card in. Member of killarney(big club)
So yes it does happen

GreeBo · 19-02-2019 11:34am

Golfhead65 wrote: »

I think the proof is in the reading !

Indeed it is.
Nowhere does it say you have to have played 4 rounds on your home course.

You have misinterpreted the rule and now refuse to accept it.

Seve OB · 19-02-2019 11:36am

golfguy1 wrote: »

My partner for the Irish mixed was sent to a open singles to get her 4th card in. Member of killarney(big club)
So yes it does happen

I know it happens, but it is rare.

Why were they sent away and not just asked to play a qualifier at home?

golfguy1 · 19-02-2019 11:37am

Seve OB wrote: »

I know it happens, but it is rare.

Why were they sent away and not just asked to play a qualifier at home?

It was november and the ladies club had no more counting singles events.

GreeBo · 19-02-2019 12:05pm

golfguy1 wrote: »

My partner for the Irish mixed was sent to a open singles to get her 4th card in. Member of killarney(big club)
So yes it does happen

Which proves the point that they don't have to be at your home club.

A lot of people use the Tuesday Open at Portmarnock to get qualifying cards in early winter if they are low.

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 12:16pm

No skin off my nose, go ahead and put someone in a club team without 4 home qualifiers and produce this on day and see what you are told, Ring Leinster branch for clarification, And if I'm wrong I'll apologise on this, but to let you know, I've been that guy that had man on a team without required qualifiers and was DQ ed

golfguy1 · 19-02-2019 12:19pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

No skin off my nose, go ahead and put someone in a club team without 4 home qualifiers and produce this on day and see what you are told, Ring Leinster branch for clarification, And if I'm wrong I'll apologise on this, but to let you know, I've been that guy that had man on a team without required qualifiers and was DQ ed

How many times do we have to post the rule from the gui handbook to prove to u that ur mistaken.
Ring the gui urself for clarification.
If your right a lot of clubs (mine included) have been breaking rules for a long time

19-02-2019 12:38pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

No skin off my nose, go ahead and put someone in a club team without 4 home qualifiers and produce this on day and see what you are told, Ring Leinster branch for clarification, And if I'm wrong I'll apologise on this, but to let you know, I've been that guy that had man on a team without required qualifiers and was DQ ed

You don't have to produce where they played their competitions on the day.

The golfnet report which is the official report contains GUI number, Players name, Number of qualifying competitions in previous year(regardless of where they are played), lowest playing handicap and current handicap.

spacecoyote · 19-02-2019 12:40pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

No skin off my nose, go ahead and put someone in a club team without 4 home qualifiers and produce this on day and see what you are told, Ring Leinster branch for clarification, And if I'm wrong I'll apologise on this, but to let you know, I've been that guy that had man on a team without required qualifiers and was DQ ed

I emailed the Leinster Branch this morning to get clarity, just out of curiosity.

Reply is:

For Interclub competitions your four qualifying competitions have to be listed on your handicap record from your home club, the four qualifying events can be from any course.

GreeBo · 19-02-2019 12:44pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

No skin off my nose, go ahead and put someone in a club team without 4 home qualifiers and produce this on day and see what you are told, Ring Leinster branch for clarification, And if I'm wrong I'll apologise on this, but to let you know, I've been that guy that had man on a team without required qualifiers and was DQ ed

You are confusing the rules for open singles and GUI tournaments.

Eligibility To be eligible to compete in a Singles Qualifying Competition at an Away Club, except for all events listed in the GUI’s Tournament Conditions Book, a Member of a GUI Affiliated Golf Club must have returned at least three scores in Singles Qualifying Competitions at his Home Club, at any time on or after the corresponding date one year before the Singles Qualifying Competition at the Away Club

The eligibility requirements for the various cups and shields have been posted multiple times. They are worded very differently because the requirements are different.

What was the given reason for the dq? Seems like you were wronged. How would anyone know the qualifying comps were home or away anyway?

HighLine · 19-02-2019 1:07pm

Just my opinion but no player should be selected for an inter-club team who has played less than 10 qualifying rounds for their home club (i.e. the club they wish play for). It's not right that a dual member gets to pick and choose who he plays for and then possibly a guy who plays 50 odd weeks a year at his home club doesn't get picked.

Golfhead65 · 19-02-2019 1:48pm

spacecoyote wrote: »

I emailed the Leinster Branch this morning to get clarity, just out of curiosity.

Reply is:

If this is the case and I'll be keeping this for future reference, I apologize lads and I will revisit this as a couple of seasons ago we were contacted after playing that we had an inelegible player and our 5th card would be brought in to the equation thus eliminating us...Interesting as I've a lad this year who only has 3 Qualifiers from our club and multiples away and as the rule was read he doesn't qualify...Issue closed for now

Poker Face · 19-02-2019 2:13pm

Golfhead65 wrote: »

If this is the case and I'll be keeping this for future reference, I apologize lads and I will revisit this as a couple of seasons ago we were contacted after playing that we had an inelegible player and our 5th card would be brought in to the equation thus eliminating us...Interesting as I've a lad this year who only has 3 Qualifiers from our club and multiples away and as the rule was read he doesn't qualify...Issue closed for now

How long ago is this? Was the requirement to have the Cups and Shields report printed from Golfnet in operation at the time?

The lad you have this year go into Golfnet and print the cup and shields report (Just use his GUI number to test it out). It will say he has more than 4 qualifying competitions so he is perfectly entitled to play on your team.

Seve OB · 19-02-2019 6:20pm

i've played purcell with guys brand new into the club who would have had no qualifying comps in new club, but played on the team as they had the necessary amount of games in their old club

Ronney · 19-02-2019 7:09pm

HighLine wrote: »

Just my opinion but no player should be selected for an inter-club team who has played less than 10 qualifying rounds for their home club (i.e. the club they wish play for). It's not right that a dual member gets to pick and choose who he plays for and then possibly a guy who plays 50 odd weeks a year at his home club doesn't get picked.

I agree with you in principal but In practice it’s not always that straight forward. At the lower hc end for example guys could be off laying in the east/west/ etc and representing a province and not get many home club cards in.

Similarly lads could be living in Dublin for example and playing plenty of opens but there home club is bac down the country in their home town.

Do you pick your best team available or the guys who turn up every week..... every managers conundrum

princess poppy · 20-02-2019 9:59pm

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Do you pick your best team available or the guys who turn up every week..... every managers conundrum[/quote]

Easy, you pick very best team you can, otherwise you’re wasting everybody’s time

HighLine · 20-02-2019 11:09pm

princess poppy wrote: »

Do you pick your best team available or the guys who turn up every week..... every managers conundrum

Easy, you pick very best team you can, otherwise you’re wasting everybody’s time

It's really not. I'm not sure what golf clubs are being discussed here but my club is a CLUB and anyone playing less than 4 qualifying events at my club would not be picked in a million years. There would be uproar if he/she was picked and rightly so.

Perhaps that could make us a slightly weaker team but at least we will be an actual team.

There has to be a value for playing for one's club. Picking and choosing willy-nilly to get yourself a day out on the inter-club scene of the club of your choice is a pi$$ take IMO.

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