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The Irishman (Scorsese, De Niro, Pesci and Pacino)

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    #542
    J Mysterio
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Admittedly that one brief scene was woefully misjudged but I didnt hang my whole opnion of the film on it.

    And neither did I... It's talked about most often as it is the most egregious example of why the de-aging didnt work. The micro of the macro if you will.


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    #543
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    I knew all thesw actors were pushing 80 before I watched the movie, I wasnt ever expecting to forget this fact.


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    #544
    pixelburp
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    I knew all thesw actors were pushing 80 before I watched the movie, I wasnt ever expecting to forget this fact.

    All of cinema is a facade, nobody's contesting or naive to that, but the film went out of its way to say "these are men in their prime", yet that facade broke each time they moved - or even raised their arms. It broke the spell too often for me, and an apt historical equivalent IMO are all those instances where actors are slathered in "old man" makeup, almost always looking fake and causing cracks in the facade. For similar, but reverse, reasons.


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    #545
    tylercheribini
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    pixelburp wrote: »
    All of cinema is a facade, nobody's contesting or naive to that, but the film went out of its way to say "these are men in their prime", yet that facade broke each time they moved - or even raised their arms. It broke the spell too often for me, and an apt historical equivalent IMO are all those instances where actors are slathered in "old man" makeup, almost always looking fake and causing cracks in the facade. For similar, but reverse, reasons.

    I can still enjoy those older films with dodgy effects if the story is told well though.


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    #546
    pixelburp
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    I can still enjoy those older films with dodgy effects if the story is told well though.

    So can I, and I enjoyed The Irishman, but I also hated the FX and attempts to convince me DeNiro was my age for chunks of the movie. It can be two things here.


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    #547
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    One of the pivotal scenes in Goodfellas, the Lufthansa heist, is entirely based on Hills word that his crew were responsible for it as nobody was ever brought ro justice for it. "Based on true events" is something I never bought into in a Hollywood production because it's a movie, you want facts read a book. you could pick holes in all of the these films all day, eg JFK is mainly bull**** but still one of my all time favourites.

    What part of “the stories were more convincing” are you not understanding? There may well be holes in their stories. But their motivations and why things happen in relation to them all make sense which wasn’t something I took from The Irishman.


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    #548
    Dots1982
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    Jimmy Conway was the suspected mastermind of the Lufthansa heist by law enforcement from almost the start.

    To my knowledge Frank Sheeran was never a suspect in being the triggerman in any mob murders until he claimed responsibility in his book for 30 or so killings.

    There’s a bit of a difference in believeability of the two stories.


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    #549
    Padre_Pio
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    I knew all thesw actors were pushing 80 before I watched the movie, I wasnt ever expecting to forget this fact.

    And that's fine.

    We know Chris Evans at the beginning of Captain America isn't really 5 foot 2, but they have body doubles, makeup, CGI and camera techniques that make it look that way.

    There was nothing beyond some CG dewrinkling of the face to make 76 year old DeNiro look like a 25 year old. It's more akin to theatre than movie. If you can't be bothered making it believable, then why bother at all. Why not have a 25 year old body double or someone who looks like him, a la Rami Malek as Freddy Mercury


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    #550
    Ipso
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    I have about 45 minutes of it to go and I'm enjoying it. Someone above said it's ponderous, I think it's a good description.
    I'm really enjoying Pacino in this, reminds me of Sylvio from The Sporanos. It was also fun seeing Pesci narrate a scene featuring a character he played in JFK.


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    #551
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Jimmy Conway was the suspected mastermind of the Lufthansa heist by law enforcement from almost the start.

    To my knowledge Frank Sheeran was never a suspect in being the triggerman in any mob murders until he claimed responsibility in his book for 30 or so killings.

    There’s a bit of a difference in believeability of the two stories.

    +1


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    #552
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Ipso wrote: »
    I have about 45 minutes of it to go and I'm enjoying it. Someone above said it's ponderous, I think it's a good description.
    I'm really enjoying Pacino in this, reminds me of Sylvio from The Sporanos. It was also fun seeing Pesci narrate a scene featuring a character he played in JFK.

    ‘Ponderous’ isn’t a complimentary term though.


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    #553
    tylercheribini
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    Dots1982 wrote: »
    Jimmy Conway was the suspected mastermind of the Lufthansa heist by law enforcement from almost the start.

    Still unproven conjecture, again both are movies, Im not watching for truth, storytelling is what its all about.


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    #554
    Ipso
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    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    ‘Ponderous’ isn’t a complimentary term though.

    Depends on context, I suppose.


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    #555
    J Mysterio
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Depends on context, I suppose.

    Its doesnt really, lol. What the hell is wrong with this thread?


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    #556
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    J Mysterio wrote: »
    Its doesnt really, lol. What the hell is wrong with this thread?

    Ha it goes both ways,plenty here defending their right to hate the film.


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    #557
    lee_baby_simms
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Depends on context, I suppose.

    It never does.


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    #558
    Ipso
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    Ha it goes both ways,plenty here defending their right to hate the film.

    Definitely worth pondering.


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    #559
    tylercheribini
    Registered Users Posts: 2,014 ✭✭✭tylercheribini


    I loved the film for what it is,warts and all. Do people obsess over the minutiae of Marvel films as much on boards? If they dont then it's a testament to The Irishman.


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    #560
    garbanzo
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    Enjoyed it. Well produced. Watched in two sittings over two days.

    America.....the only country in the world where you don’t have to be from Ireland to be Irish !!


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    #561
    Beechwoodspark
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    garbanzo wrote: »
    Enjoyed it. Well produced. Watched in two sittings over two days.

    America.....the only country in the world where you don’t have to be from Ireland to be Irish !!

    Or Italian!


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    #562
    tylercheribini
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    Beechwoodspark wrote: »
    Or Italian!

    Nobody is American in America I noticed, always a spiel.


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    #563
    Padre_Pio
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    tylercheribini wrote: »
    I loved the film for what it is,warts and all. Do people obsess over the minutiae of Marvel films as much on boards? If they dont then it's a testament to The Irishman.

    Oh by god they do! :D:D


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    #564
    tylercheribini
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    Padre_Pio wrote: »
    Oh by god they do! :D:D

    Haha ok, good thing to know, I thougt it was unique to this film, i dont generally follow film threads on this.


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    #565
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Ipso wrote: »
    Depends on context, I suppose.

    No, it’s a pejorative term. So for somebody to say they're enjoying it and they’re also finding it ponderous does not compute.


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    #566
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    Is it possible that Ipso thought that 'ponderous' means that something makes you think, makes you ponder? Rather than its actual meaning which is quite negative.

    I'm just trying to help with the important stuff here.


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    #567
    Ipso
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    I meant it’s basically about someone reflecting and reminiscing about the past. It definitely didn’t have the brashness and swagger of Goodfellas, and I thought that worked


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    #568
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Is it possible that Ipso thought that 'ponderous' means that something makes you think, makes you ponder? Rather than its actual meaning which is quite negative.

    I'm just trying to help with the important stuff here.

    Probably, a common mistake.


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    #569
    El Duda
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    Seen this twice now. Really surprised at how much more enjoyable it was second time. Especially considering I saw it in the cinema first.

    Completely underestimated De Niros performance. He is phenomenal in the last 90 mins of this. The honour/award scene onwards is incredible cinema. Plenty of tension. I think the finale is am emotional an ending as Scorsese has ever achieved. That final shot.

    Pesci deserves an Oscar. He is electric.


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    #570
    Relikk
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    El Duda wrote: »
    Seen this twice now. Really surprised at how much more enjoyable it was second time. Especially considering I saw it in the cinema first.

    Same here. I liked it a lot the first time around in the cinema (bad sound aside), but I had minor issues with the epilogue. As in, it could have ended before it and it would have been enough. Watching it the second time around at home, that final act was probably one of my favourites in the entire movie.


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    #571
    Mr Regal
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    Still debatable if Sheeran did the work on Hoffa. Others have claimed it also.
    There was two characters I thought were totally wrong in regards to the actor's.

    Chuckie O'Brien - He had black hair and was stout.
    Fat Tony Salerno - He was born old. The actor who played him looked ****. He was too young made up old.


    Also in regardless of Goodfellas in a post above, ☝ Jimmy ( Conway) real name Jimmy Burke was of Dublin descent ! His mother was a Dublin gal! I'd love to know if there's any relations still over here in the old country.


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