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AnonoBoy · 17-12-2012 5:17pm

rebel12 wrote: »

Rumors that Darren is to return is series 4 and not dead. Don't quote me on it though.

Rumours?

From where?

There's only a few people who know what season 4 will entail and I doubt they're putting out rumours online. It's more than likely just sh*te talk.

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 5:17pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Deadlocking the car would prevent it being opened from the inside

It just delays someone a second, if he'd not done it at all then Dazzler might not have been tipped off. Also if they'd had their plan together (which, in fairness IS asking too much of Aido and Elmo), Aido should have parked in a better spot, but makes no difference because the story had to have Dazzler get away for the audience.

AnonoBoy · 17-12-2012 5:22pm

joydivision wrote: »

Nobody told her who killed her brother Id say from experience she knew the ra and nidge were fighting . Darren was nidges trigger man . She put 2 and 2 together.

Nah. I think she was told - they knew it was Darren who killed her brother. The first thing she would have asked was 'who did it?' so I don't think there's anyway that she didn't know 100% that Darren did it - she wouldn't have killed him on a hunch without proof.

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 5:22pm

wicklowwonder wrote: »

I wonder will the Gards have a rat in the gang. Maybe Aido? The crooked cop may also make a few appearances.

I'd be looking squarely at Siobhan here. The rape, Tommy in hospital, Dazzler being killed, Nidge had a hand in all three. She was forced into keeping quiet about the rape on Nidges say, Nidge put Tommy in hospital after his tantrum, and it was Nidge sent Aido/Elmo braintrust to clip Dazzler and also! it was rescuing Nidge from the ra when Dazzler shot Lizzies brother.

Jaysus, Nidge, yer some scumbag lol

seamus · 17-12-2012 5:23pm

rebel12 wrote: »

Rumors that Darren is to return is series 4 and not dead. Don't quote me on it though.

No, that'd be too ridiculous. Part of the enjoyment of the show is the realism, that nobody is safe. Think about the lead crew at the start of series one:

Nidge
Tommy
Darren (dead)
Johnboy (dead)
Stumpy (dead)
Hughie (dead)

Most likely Aido and Elmo will get more exposure in the next season.
Nidge's time is up at some point, as was already hinted to in the last episode. The RA will take him out eventually. But that could be next season or the one after that, you never know.
My suspicion is there will be something of a gang war in the next season as Fran will find out what Nidge did with his wife. It'll be Nidge/Aido/Elmo -v- Fran/Tommy/? -v- The RA.

wicklowwonder · 17-12-2012 5:26pm

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

I'd be looking squarely at Siobhan here. The rape, Tommy in hospital, Dazzler being killed, Nidge had a hand in all three. She was forced into keeping quiet about the rape on Nidges say, Nidge put Tommy in hospital after his tantrum, and it was Nidge sent Aido/Elmo braintrust to clip Dazzler and also! it was rescuing Nidge from the ra when Dazzler shot Lizzies brother.

Jaysus, Nidge, yer some scumbag lol

But Siobhan doesn't know enough, she isn't a member of the gang and wouldn't really be able to tell the Gards anything they wouldn't know from decent surveillance. It could be the body guard, but again Nidge didn't bring him into Aido's gaff or to meet Elmo, left him outside on both occasions, also I think they will use an established character as a rat instead of a new character that's what leads me to Aido.

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 5:30pm

wicklowwonder wrote: »

But Siobhan doesn't know enough, she isn't a member of the gang and wouldn't really be able to the Gards anything they wouldn't know from decent surveillance. It could be the body guard, but again Nidge didn't bring him into Aido's gaff or to meet Elmo, left him outside on both occasions, also I think they will used an established character as a rat instead of a new character that's was leads me to Aido.

Maybe, but small bits of information lead to bigger bits, I guess we'll have to wait and see

bidiots · 17-12-2012 5:33pm

seamus wrote: »

No, that'd be too ridiculous. Part of the enjoyment of the show is the realism, that nobody is safe. Think about the lead crew at the start of series one:

Nidge
Tommy
Darren (dead)
Johnboy (dead)
Stumpy (dead)
Hughie (dead)

Most likely Aido and Elmo will get more exposure in the next season.
Nidge's time is up at some point, as was already hinted to in the last episode. The RA will take him out eventually. But that could be next season or the one after that, you never know.
My suspicion is there will be something of a gang war in the next season as Fran will find out what Nidge did with his wife. It'll be Nidge/Aido/Elmo -v- Fran/Tommy/? -v- The RA.

The only one that knows about that, is now dead...

ThisRegard · 17-12-2012 5:34pm

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

It just delays someone a second, if he'd not done it at all then Dazzler might not have been tipped off. Also if they'd had their plan together (which, in fairness IS asking too much of Aido and Elmo), Aido should have parked in a better spot, but makes no difference because the story had to have Dazzler get away for the audience.

Dead locking delays you a lot more than a second, it prevents you being able to open the door completely. It's different than just locking which means you can open it with the handle from the inside.

InchicoreDude · 17-12-2012 5:34pm

seamus wrote: »

No, that'd be too ridiculous. Part of the enjoyment of the show is the realism, that nobody is safe. Think about the lead crew at the start of series one:

Nidge
Tommy
Darren (dead)
Johnboy (dead)
Stumpy (dead)
Hughie (dead)

Most likely Aido and Elmo will get more exposure in the next season.
Nidge's time is up at some point, as was already hinted to in the last episode. The RA will take him out eventually. But that could be next season or the one after that, you never know.
My suspicion is there will be something of a gang war in the next season as Fran will find out what Nidge did with his wife. It'll be Nidge/Aido/Elmo -v- Fran/Tommy/? -v- The RA.

The inclusion of Aido's brother in this series must be something that will be brought up in series 4. It seems such a random scene to have for it not to be followed up on in some way. And the writer has said in interviews that he would like to have more prison settings in the future.

wicklowwonder · 17-12-2012 5:35pm

bidiots wrote: »

The only one that knows about that, is now dead...

Voicemail from Darren before he rang Nidge, or Darren told Tommy who will reveal all when he wakes up and realises Nidge battered him and then tried to have Darren killed.

coolbock · 17-12-2012 5:35pm

Banjaxed82 wrote: »

It will be cack if they do make one. It's come to its natural conclusion now. The show's main protagonist is dead. Where do you go?

Can't see how it will work without taking a major dip in quality.

Personally, I think that's the end of it.

You might be right. Although I did hear the writer hint in an interview that there would be a more prominent role for a female character in the future. So maybe Darren's killer will be the focus in the fourth series. Not sure how it will work out though. The IRA stroy was a little weak I thought but served its purpose for this series not sure how they can get another series out of it now. But you never though they could do very interesting things with that girl character..so heres hoping

Hitchens · 17-12-2012 5:36pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Dead locking delays you a lot more than a second, it prevents you being able to open the door completely. It's different than just locking which means you can open it with the handle from the inside.

yes, that's how I would see it too, so if Aido deadlocked it how did Darren get out so fast?

Sunnyisland · 17-12-2012 5:37pm

joydivision wrote: »

Nidge had set up the murder for the ira . The girl did it off her iwn back . Knew darren was staying in aidos flat and just waited for him there .
She shaved her head to look like a man . There was geadlines a while ago about a woman hitman in real life .
Nobody told her who killed her brother Id say from experience she knew the ra and nidge were fighting . Darren was nidges trigger man . She put 2 and 2 together.

The hit-woman has been arrested in relation to the cold blooded murder of father of two young children David Darcy. Two weeks ago the woman is alleged to have murdered Mr Darcy on direct orders of the CIRA leadership. Mr Darcy was ambushed outside his home in Dublin on the 28 November 2011 on the direct orders of the CIRA leadership; at 6.50am Mr Darcy was pulling out of the drive of his home when the hit-woman shot him dead. Mr Darcy was alleged by the CIRA leadership to have been involved in two gun attacks on RIRA criminals in west Dublin within the past twelve months, however, neither Gardai nor senior republicans could support the claims.

The hit-woman from Limerick is believed to have been used by the CIRA leadership to flex their muscle in Dublin, the CIRA in Limerick are heavily engaged in criminal activity including Drug Dealing and Prostitution. Gardai arrested the Limerick hit-woman and a man from Finglas on Friday 16/12/2011 in relation to the CIRA murder of Mr Darcy. The gun used to murder Mr Darcy was also recovered by Gardai on the 16/12/2011.

FWIW.

RainyDay · 17-12-2012 5:37pm

Alexandra Beautiful Vanilla wrote: »

Darren rang fran before he died to tell him about what nidge done to his ex, you heard it here first....Crap ending, to obvious he was gonna die, he had signed up for a series in the UK

RainyDay wrote: »

What series in the UK?

GrumPy wrote: »

He's been in a bunch of stuff. Check out his wikipedia article.

Grumpy - you seem to misunderstand me. Gazz suggests that the reason that Darren was killed off is because he had signed up for a specific series in the UK. I'm asking what specific series he is referring to.

I know that Sheehan has been in a few bits in the UK. I'm asking Gazz what specific series he is referring to here.

xOxSinéadxOx · 17-12-2012 5:37pm

Surprised lizzie killed dazzler cos he seemed to like him ahwell!
Loved the humour in the last episode, gettin the body guard at the gym and all :pac:

coolbock · 17-12-2012 5:37pm

InchicoreDude wrote: »

The inclusion of Aido's brother in this series must be something that will be brought up in series 4. It seems such a random scene to have for it not to be followed up on in some way. And the writer has said in interviews that he would like to have more prison settings in the future.

Had forgotten about that scene. Thought it was very random alright...you could be on to something there..

wicklowwonder · 17-12-2012 5:38pm

coolbock wrote: »

You might be right. Although I did hear the writer hint in an interview that there would be a more prominent role for a female character in the future. So maybe Darren's killer will be the focus in the fourth series. Not sure how it will work out though. The IRA stroy was a little weak I thought but served its purpose for this series not sure how they can get another series out of it now. But you never though they could do very interesting things with that girl character..so heres hoping

She could join Nidge and the boys as a gun for hire and the RA could be happy to have her inside Nidge's gang to keep an eye on their shipments. The RA will be now always a back ground story, they are tied in with Nidge going forward, Dano didn't go back on the beer so he wants revenge and the RA are using Nidge now to bring in guns.

TextureLikeSun · 17-12-2012 5:39pm

I have a gut feeling that we havent seen the last of dazzler ?Dont know why exactly -the ending just didnt sit right with me?Perhaps like others here i thought series four would be about dazzlers revenge ?Or as its been also pointed out maybe the writers wanted to add realism to the show?

Lot of outcry online about him being killed -do you think this would make the writers reconsider killing him off for defo?

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 5:42pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Dead locking delays you a lot more than a second, it prevents you being able to open the door completely. It's different than just locking which means you can open it with the handle from the inside.

RTE Player 46.45. All you do is unlock from the drivers side and you're away.

wicklowwonder · 17-12-2012 5:43pm

TextureLikeSun wrote: »

I have a gut feeling that we havent seen the last of dazzler ?Dont know why exactly -the ending just didnt sit right with me?Perhaps like others here i thought series for would be about dazzlers revenge ?Or as its been also pointed out maybe the writers wanted to add realism to the show?

Lot of outcry online about him being killed -do you think this would make the writers reconsider killing him off for defo?

Nah he is gone, it turns into Home and Away if they bring him back, also while the show is big in Ireland, it is only an RTE show with a little bit of interest from overseas and I am sure Robert Sheehan has bigger plans on his mind than turning into a Wayne Molloy type character stuck on RTE for the rest of his acting career. At 24 as well it would be an ideal time to hit Hollywood or London.

coolbock · 17-12-2012 5:44pm

AnonoBoy wrote: »

Rumours?

From where?

There's only a few people who know what season 4 will entail and I doubt they're putting out rumours online. It's more than likely just sh*te talk.

more like rebel12 having a bit of a laugh to see the reaction I would say!

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 5:45pm

TextureLikeSun wrote: »

I have a gut feeling that we havent seen the last of dazzler ?

49.30 on player, he ain't even coming back as a walker :pac:

17-12-2012 5:46pm

seamus wrote: »

No, that'd be too ridiculous. Part of the enjoyment of the show is the realism, that nobody is safe. Think about the lead crew at the start of series one:

Nidge
Tommy
Darren (dead)
Johnboy (dead)
Stumpy (dead)
Hughie (dead)

An ever growing graveyard. Added to that list is

Dazzlers brother Robbie,
Jimmy Byrne from s1,
the traveller lad who helped Hughie clip Jimmy Byrne,
The Young joyrider Mr Micah 'topgear' that Nidge hired in the botched clip attempt on Fran
Luke (high up in the Dublin Mountains)
Git
Ray (ok fair enough he died probably of natural causes)
Pat

The Sunday World next week, 'EXCLUSIVE: HOW THE CIRA THUGS BLASTED THE DAZZLER'

arse..biscuits · 17-12-2012 5:46pm

TextureLikeSun wrote: »

I have a gut feeling that we havent seen the last of dazzler ?Dont know why exactly -the ending just didnt sit right with me?Perhaps like others here i thought series four would be about dazzlers revenge ?Or as its been also pointed out maybe the writers wanted to add realism to the show?

Lot of outcry online about him being killed -do you think this would make the writers reconsider killing him off for defo?

An internet outcry doesn't take back two bullets to the head.

ThisRegard · 17-12-2012 5:47pm

Hitchens wrote: »

yes, that's how I would see it too, so if Aido deadlocked it how did Darren get out so fast?

Can't remember but you could see him pull at the handle a few times and it wasn't unlocking, didn't he just beat the crap out of it and eventually it opened.

Either way it slowed him enough in to get him shot. Had it opened first time he would have been away when he saw Elmo.

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Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

RTE Player 46.45. All you do is unlock from the drivers side and you're away.

But it did prevent the passenger door from being opened from the inside. Maybe that's how those Micras work, anyone admit to having one :P

coolbock · 17-12-2012 5:50pm

wicklowwonder wrote: »

She could join Nidge and the boys as a gun for hire and the RA could be happy to have her inside Nidge's gang to keep an eye on their shipments. The RA will be now always a back ground story, they are tied in with Nidge going forward, Dano didn't go back on the beer so he wants revenge and the RA are using Nidge now to bring in guns.

Could work. Seriously good writing team so im confident where ever they go with the story they will pull it off!

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 5:52pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

But it did prevent the passenger door from being opened from the inside. Maybe that's how those Micras work, anyone admit to having one :P

No, I've a Toyota, am off out to try it now cos I've nothing better to be doing :pac:

ThisRegard · 17-12-2012 5:52pm

TextureLikeSun wrote: »

I have a gut feeling that we havent seen the last of dazzler ?Dont know why exactly -the ending just didnt sit right with me?Perhaps like others here i thought series four would be about dazzlers revenge ?Or as its been also pointed out maybe the writers wanted to add realism to the show?

Lot of outcry online about him being killed -do you think this would make the writers reconsider killing him off for defo?

Seriously, he was shot in the back of the head. Ok, the program is fictional, but not fictional enough to bring someone back from the dead. The idea that he isn't really dead is riduculous, it was brought up when John Boy was shot too.

wicklowwonder · 17-12-2012 5:53pm

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

No, I've a Toyota, am off out to try it now cos I've nothing better to be doing :pac:

That Conmaicne Mara gone from Boards for the night as he gets locked inside his own car...

ThisRegard · 17-12-2012 5:54pm

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

No, I've a Toyota, am off out to try it now cos I've nothing better to be doing :pac:

Ha ha, I've done it in my own car one day, there was no opening the doors either by the handles or the unlock button on the centre console. I needed to use the remote fob to get back out again.

17-12-2012 5:55pm

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Nah he is gone, it turns into Home and Away if they bring him back, also while the show is big in Ireland, it is only an RTE show with a little bit of interest from overseas and I am sure Robert Sheehan has bigger plans on his mind than turning into a Wayne Molloy type character stuck on RTE for the rest of his acting career. At 24 as well it would be an ideal time to hit Hollywood or London.

Wayne Molloy is overachieving at that tbh

Sheehan a good actor and the character of Darren was excellent albeit a bit unsuited to Sheehan although he did come into it slightly more the 3rd series.
If they do a JR Ewing type scenario like rumoured then i am finished with this program. I actually found it slightly unbelievable he even survived the first attempt with Stumpy 2 years ago.

rebel12 · 17-12-2012 5:56pm

Probably fake but though I'd share it anyway http://gyazo.com/c0cf6731d13d4ba7c09642338ec7837c

wicklowwonder · 17-12-2012 5:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wayne Molloy is overachieving at that tbh

Sheehan a good actor and the character of Darren was excellent albeit a bit unsuited to Sheehan although he did come into it slightly more the 3rd series.
If they do a JR Ewing type scenario like rumoured then i am finished with this program. I actually found it slightly unbelievable he even survived the first attempt with Stumpy 2 years ago.

I agree, he survived two direct shootings (Stumpy and Elmo), there is no way they can try and convince an audience he survived two bullets to the head, unless that hoody has super powers!

Also he wasn't even close enough to anyone to come back and haunt them, his sister has left the show, Luke was killed off and he has grown apart from Nidge in S3.

17-12-2012 5:59pm

rebel12 wrote: »

Probably fake but though I'd share it anyway http://gyazo.com/c0cf6731d13d4ba7c09642338ec7837c

Thats from the first episode of the second season. They probably havent even started to shoot series 4 yet.

Conmaicne Mara · 17-12-2012 6:01pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Ha ha, I've done it in my own car one day, there was no opening the doors either by the handles or the unlock button on the centre console. I needed to use the remote fob to get back out again.

I sat in the passenger seat and locked her with the fob. All I had to do was pull the lock button back and open with the passenger door handle. I suspected as much as the kids are always escaping, but I thought I'd have to unlock from the drivers door panel. Obviously Toyota are wise to Aido's ways

I checked player again, Aido's driving a Yaris, it's got a Toyota badge on the front anyway.

TextureLikeSun · 17-12-2012 6:06pm

ok ill leave go of the chance he might still live so will i !

Hitchens · 17-12-2012 6:06pm

Deleted User wrote: »

An ever growing graveyard. Added to that list is

Dazzlers brother Robbie,

Jimmy Byrne from s1,

the traveller lad who helped Hughie clip Jimmy Byrne,

The Young joyrider Mr Micah 'topgear' that Nidge hired in the botched clip attempt on Fran

Luke (high up in the Dublin Mountains)

Git

Ray (ok fair enough he died probably of natural causes)

Pat

The Sunday World next week, 'EXCLUSIVE: HOW THE CIRA THUGS BLASTED THE DAZZLER'

9. Aido's budgie

newballsplease · 17-12-2012 6:07pm

Anyone who even thinks for 1 minute that Darren isnt really dead or that he may survive..im sorry, but ur insane.

rebel12 · 17-12-2012 6:11pm

There is no way they would just let Dazzler go out like that! Unless the actor no longer wanted part of the show or some stupid message for the show where everyone ends up dead in the end. I hope it's not true, there running out of good characters.

Shammy · 17-12-2012 6:13pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

Seriously, he was shot in the back of the head. Ok, the program is fictional, but not fictional enough to bring someone back from the dead. The idea that he isn't really dead is riduculous, it was brought up when John Boy was shot too.

What about the bloke who was shot twice in the head in Dublin and survived, not to mention the Limerick man who took 11 bullets and survived.

Granted it would be riduculous if he survived , but stranger things have happend.......just saying.

ThisRegard · 17-12-2012 6:14pm

Conmaicne Mara wrote: »

I sat in the passenger seat and locked her with the fob. All I had to do was pull the lock button back and open with the passenger door handle. I suspected as much as the kids are always escaping, but I thought I'd have to unlock from the drivers door panel. Obviously Toyota are wise to Aido's ways

I checked player again, Aido's driving a Yaris, it's got a Toyota badge on the front anyway.

But did you dead lock it? It's usually two twists of the key, or a double click on the fob? Maybe it just doesn't have it or works differently.

Anyway, Darren is dead, deadlocks or no deadlocks.

Anyone · 17-12-2012 6:14pm

Just watched the final episode there. Good ending that, not surprised Darren was killed, surprised how though.

I dont get peoples shock about it, he wasnt even the main character anymore. This series was based totally around Nidge.

Hopefully with 3 succcessful series, RTE will get the finger out and commission series 4 to be longer,12 episodes maybe. Would allow for a lot more filling of the subroles and storylines and it would flush out the main storyline(s) aswell.

newballsplease · 17-12-2012 6:15pm

rebel12 wrote: »

There is no way they would just let Dazzler go out like that! Unless the actor no longer wanted part of the show or some stupid message for the show where everyone ends up dead in the end. I hope it's not true, there running out of good characters.

So are you saying he wasnt killed off???
Lol.... Madness!!
I actually cant believe some people!

Its a gangland drama FFS

Ella · 17-12-2012 6:16pm

wicklowwonder wrote: »

I agree, he survived two direct shootings (Stumpy and Elmo), there is no way they can try and convince an audience he survived two bullets to the head, unless that hoody has super powers!

I'd say that hood was like an army helmet at that stage tbh

rebel12 · 17-12-2012 6:18pm

newballsplease wrote: »

So are you saying he wasnt killed off???
Lol.... Madness!!
I actually cant believe some people!

Its a gangland drama FFS

I know it's silly but it is a fiction and as someone stated if you scroll up it has happened before. Maybe Lizzie realised what she had done and somehow rushed him to hospital. Its a TV show, its supposed to be entertaining and surreal.

dave1982 · 17-12-2012 6:19pm

I though Darren was going to shoot Nidge when he opened the boot of the car.

Ado and Elmo killing Darren would have had more of a effect to be honest.

newballsplease · 17-12-2012 6:22pm

rebel12 wrote: »

I know it's silly but it is a fiction and as someone stated if you scroll up it has happened before. Maybe Lizzie realised what she had done and somehow rushed him to hospital. Its a TV show, its supposed to be entertaining and surreal.

Nooo! Jesus let it go!! Hes dead. No other buts or maybes.
There is absolutley NO way the writers would finish the show like that, and bring darren back AGAIN for series 4.
I cant believe i have to spell it out for you.

newballsplease · 17-12-2012 6:24pm

dave1982 wrote: »

I though Darren was going to shoot Nidge when he opened the boot of the car.
t.

? You must be the only one. Why would he shoot at the RA lads, killing one of them, no disguise. Save nidge from a brutal beating and eventually killing, only to open the boot just to shoot him, himself?!

I seriously cant get over some of the crap i read on here.

seamus · 17-12-2012 6:27pm

dave1982 wrote: »

Ado and Elmo killing Darren would have had more of a effect to be honest.

It would have been somehow an undignified way for him to bow out.

Aido being nothing but a junkie waste of space (with a gimpy leg), and Elmo who we know isn't a real criminal, just a coward at heart. The only reason Elmo would have gone with it is because he had good cause to want Darren dead.
Darren on the other hand being intelligent and sly, described as a cat in of the previous scenes. Maybe people are right when they say that Nidge hoped they'd botch it and Darren would escape.
His death at their hands just wouldn't really fit. His actual death was much cleaner and more realistically acceptable.

Of course, it also kept us guessing right up to the very end as to whether Darren or Nidge would be taken out. A drawn-out tense gun battle would equally be unrealistic. These things don't happen in real life. People get shot in the head without warning, lights out, game over.

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