Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

Uncharted · 14-11-2018 4:02pm

Anyone see Caseys tweet on travellers?

KrustyUCC · 14-11-2018 4:03pm

No

What did he say?

Uncharted · 14-11-2018 4:07pm

I only heard Joe Duffy mention it at 2.55. Checked Casey's Twitter and no sign of said tweet.
Apparently a video involving travellers.

Cue gratuitous tut-tutting from Joe Duffy

:rolleyes:

Roger Hassenforder · 14-11-2018 4:08pm

Uncharted wrote: »

I only heard Joe Duffy mention it at 2.55. Checked Casey's Twitter and no sign of said tweet.
Apparently a video involving travellers.

Cue gratuitous tut-tutting from Joe Duffy

:rolleyes:

Is it the one a few pages back?
More a dig at the late late than travellers

KrustyUCC · 14-11-2018 4:10pm

Just looking now something about a video being deleted

Funny these are some of Caseys tweets

"We are all one nation and one people. I don't separate one group over another. I beleive we are all Irish #latelate

I have no animosity towards travellers. To say I was victimizing them is incorrect #latelate

Ruraldweller56 · 14-11-2018 4:10pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Is it the one a few pages back?
More a dig at the late late than travellers

Bottom of page 125. Comedy gold

KrustyUCC · 14-11-2018 5:51pm

Peter Casey's former PR firm says it has nothing to do with Traveller video he tweeted
PR firm Bannerton says the video was “mistakenly retweeted” by its account.

https://www.thejournal.ie/peter-casey-tweet-bannerton-4339395-Nov2018/

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 14-11-2018 6:27pm

This is the video that was tweeted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGsGeQkqTb4

erica74 · 14-11-2018 8:34pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Maybe you're not asking in the right place? My own thoughts are that there's good and bad in terms of what might be called 'traveller culture'.

Some of the good points are:
- very close family units
- 'traditional' values
- some traveller families kept oral story telling and traditional music traditions alive when they were unpopular with official Ireland
- live more lightly on the earth in terms of use of resources over lifetime, compared to many settled people.

Some bad points are:
- many seem to have a total disregard for responsible disposal of their rubbish.
- petty thieving and fighting
- women have more constrained roles
- little effort made to contribute to society as a whole and help support the state.

On the whole these days, I think it's fair to say that travellers are being slowly subsumed into settled society and there's no real need or value to preserve whatever value once existed. Indeed the very idea of investing additional money in their 'culture' is counter productive to the idea of preserving it anyway.

Thank you for having the balls to actually answer.

Close family units means cousins marrying cousins and children left with serious health issues, which we are then expected to pick up the tab for, and they also use poor health as one of the things they whinge about when they're whinging about discrimination
What are "traditional" values?
Do you know where this oral story telling and traditional music takes place?
Live more lightly on the earth? They wreck everything they touch, they strip PURPOSE BUILT accommodation, which we pay for, of anything which can be sold, new accommodation is then demanded and provided by our muppet government

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 14-11-2018 8:54pm

BarryD2 wrote: »

Maybe you're not asking in the right place? My own thoughts are that there's good and bad in terms of what might be called 'traveller culture'.

Some of the good points are:
- very close family units
- 'traditional' values
- some traveller families kept oral story telling and traditional music traditions alive when they were unpopular with official Ireland
- live more lightly on the earth in terms of use of resources over lifetime, compared to many settled people.

Some bad points are:
- many seem to have a total disregard for responsible disposal of their rubbish.
- petty thieving and fighting
- women have more constrained roles
- little effort made to contribute to society as a whole and help support the state.

On the whole these days, I think it's fair to say that travellers are being slowly subsumed into settled society and there's no real need or value to preserve whatever value once existed. Indeed the very idea of investing additional money in their 'culture' is counter productive to the idea of preserving it anyway.

Doesn't "live more lightly on the earth" conflict with "total disregard for responsible disposal of their rubbish"? Also, some Travellers have built enormous mansions of houses, drive large vehicles, and have more children than settled people. The average Traveller couple have 5 children. I'd say Travellers consume more resources on average than others.

And how do they reconcile having close family units with their violent feuding?

By "traditional values" I assume you mean religious values -- but that's not necessarily a Traveller-specific thing. It's just that the rest of the country has a markedly different relationship to religion now than it did in the 1980s, while Travellers haven't moved on to the same extent.

The only thing above that could be used to justify any cultural contribution is the oral storytelling and traditional music ... and I don't see these as parts of Traveller culture, at least not anymore.

tretorn · 15-11-2018 9:43am

Of course the Gardai who are being portrayed s dirt under our fingernails at the moment are being sent to Drogheda to protect local residents.

There are vicious people arriving from the UK and while I couldnt careless about feuding travellers Gardai and innocent law abiding people could be killed or injured.

Moneymore sounds like hell, imagine a decent person having to rear their children there.

BattleCorp · 15-11-2018 9:59am

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

This is the video that was tweeted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGsGeQkqTb4

That's very funny.

JMNolan · 15-11-2018 10:00am

BattleCorp wrote: »

That's very funny.

We don't tolerate funny any more, it's too racist.

15-11-2018 10:03am

JMNolan wrote: »

We don't tolerate funny any more, it's too racist.

#jesuiscasey

Roger Hassenforder · 15-11-2018 10:06am

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

#jesuiscasey

That looks like Jesus Casey!
Is he the Messiah?
(Or a very naughty boy?)

SexBobomb · 15-11-2018 10:29am

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

That looks like Jesus Casey!
Is he the Messiah?
(Or a very naughty boy?)

He is the Messiah ! I know a Messiah when I see one, I've followed a few.

PlaneSpeeking · 15-11-2018 10:31am

SexBobomb wrote: »

He is the Messiah ! I know a Messiah when I see one, I've followed a few.

How should we f**k off oh Lord ????

God I love that film, even though a nun told me I would burn in Hell for all eternity for listening to the soundtrack on tape! Though tbh she said that about anything from being late to the time I came in with a white stripe on my nose a la Adam Ant!

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 15-11-2018 10:59am

JMNolan wrote: »

We don't tolerate funny any more, it's too racist.

Most of the people screaming "racism!" about that video probably don't realize that the "offensive" audio is lifted directly from a genuine call-out video by Big Joe Joyce. Somehow it's "racist" now to repeat a Traveller's own words?

KrustyUCC · 15-11-2018 11:04am

Hmmm maybe it spreading ...

Over €1m spent on travelling community in Clare since 2016

A total of €1,259,103 has been spent by the Council since 2016 and the local authority expects this figure to rise to €1,363,407 by the end of the year. The expenditure is towards accommodation, maintenance, waste collection, security, legal costs and illegal encampment.

Independent councillor, Gerry Flynn outlined his frustration with the amount of Council money being spent on travellers at a meeting of the local authority on Monday. “Where is this money coming from? There are a lot of other constructive ways we could be spending this money. It is a sizeable amount of money in the face of people accusing us of doing nothing”.

https://www.clareecho.ie/e1m-spent-travelling-community-clare-since-2016/

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 15-11-2018 11:24am

KrustyUCC wrote: »

A total of €1,259,103 has been spent by the Council since 2016 and the local authority expects this figure to rise to €1,363,407 by the end of the year. The expenditure is towards accommodation, maintenance, waste collection, security, legal costs and illegal encampment.

I wonder what the figure is nationally.

I expect the activities of this "ethnic minority" cost the taxpayer many millions per annum -- and yet the likes of Tubridy won't tolerate any criticism of them.

KrustyUCC · 15-11-2018 11:45am

Just €1.7m of €12m earmarked for Traveller housing drawn down

More than half of local authorities have spent none of their 2018 allocation

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/just-1-7m-of-12m-earmarked-for-traveller-housing-drawn-down-1.3692694

Eoin O'Broin is not happy. In fact he came up with this beauty

Edward M wrote: »

Yes, it's in the times.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/councils-could-face-sanctions-over-traveller-accommodation-budgets-1.3688827%3fmode=amp

Now have a look at the measures proposed if councils don't spend their allocation.
Cutting of road budgets, FFS, we will have to endure potholes and untreated or maintained roads if the money for travellers isn't spent, they have to be joking, right?
That suggestion by SF TD Eoin O Broin BTW.

The roads are in bad enough condition as it is

Good luck to any politician who calls to the door after cutting budgets which will affect everybody just because enough money wasn't spent on travellers

I'm sure there will be plenty of votes in it for Sinn Fein

"Sinn Féin TD Eoin Ó Broin said the consultative process for delivering Traveller accommodation had “clearly failed” in many councils.
“Should we be thinking about sanctions for local authorities in other areas of their expenditure if they fail to spend Traveller accommodation budgets and meet statutory requirements? I think if a local authority knew, for example, that its roads budget would be withheld if it didn’t spend its Traveller budget that might focus the minds of elected representatives to do what they are legally required to do.”

CrankyHaus · 15-11-2018 12:15pm

KrustyUCC wrote: »

"Sinn Féin TD Eoin Ó Broin said the consultative process for delivering Traveller accommodation had “clearly failed” in many councils.
“Should we be thinking about sanctions for local authorities in other areas of their expenditure if they fail to spend Traveller accommodation budgets and meet statutory requirements? I think if a local authority knew, for example, that its roads budget would be withheld if it didn’t spend its Traveller budget that might focus the minds of elected representatives to do what they are legally required to do.”

Poor Eoin is showing his Blackrock-boy roots with that guff and I don't see the party continuing to back it once they get some grassroots feedback. For the moment whoever pulls the strings in SF is focused on the Brexit/border issue and is happy to go along with luvvie stuff in the South from policy shapers like Eoin if its what gets votes. Once they start going backwards as a result of it they'll change their tune.

Roger Hassenforder · 15-11-2018 12:59pm

SF have damaged themselves with their Traveller stance, and this shïte further shows their disconnect.
Haemorraged voters to Casey.
Cheerio lads.

quintana76 · 15-11-2018 1:34pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

Poor Eoin is showing his Blackrock-boy roots with that guff and I don't see the party continuing to back it once they get some grassroots feedback. For the moment whoever pulls the strings in SF is focused on the Brexit/border issue and is happy to go along with luvvie stuff in the South from policy makers like Eoin if its what gets votes. Once they start going backwards as a result of it they'll change their tune.

Middle class liberalism means as much to the traditional SF voter as gender neutral toilets did to the average working class Democrat voter in Akron, Ohio before Trump got elected.

SF are going for the southern student vote with luvvie issues. This will have limited sucess as they are in a crowded field. Ireland currently is mostly a one-party state with all parties smugly following the liberal/left agenda. (For now). If SF had any nous they would consider the message given to the establishment by the Casey vote. Remember they keep on claiming that they are an anti-establishment party.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 15-11-2018 3:52pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

This is the video that was tweeted.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BGsGeQkqTb4

Now it seems that the cartoon video of Casey on the Late Late Show has been taken offline. The Twitter account of its producers, @HappyOutChannel, has been deleted as well.

Anyone know anything about this?

PlaneSpeeking · 15-11-2018 3:53pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

Now it seems that the cartoon video of Casey on the Late Late Show has been taken offline. The Twitter account of its producers, @HappyOutChannel, has been deleted as well.

Anyone know anything about this?

Probably been nicked boss.

Roger Hassenforder · 15-11-2018 5:30pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Probably been nicked boss.

Theres a smouldering shopping trolley full of burnt plastic cables where it used to be

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-11-2018 5:39pm

An old fella made a good point about them in the local a couple of nights back.

They never evolved he said. They're still living the violent Clan structure which existed in Ireland a thousand years ago, when you had O'Moores, O'Connors, O'Neills etc in constant feuds with each other.

That violent tribal culture of ancient Ireland is still alive in the Pavee clans.

ELM327 · 15-11-2018 6:14pm

PlaneSpeeking wrote: »

Probably been nicked boss.

Careful now, it's their culture.

demanufactured · 17-11-2018 12:45pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIo88p6mJDs

Roger Hassenforder · 17-11-2018 1:52pm

demanufactured wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIo88p6mJDs

Kids in the background while thats going on...

erica74 · 17-11-2018 1:59pm

Yeah, their culture needs to be preserved, it's so valuable to society:rolleyes: I'm sure the guy throwing around the money is on great terms with the Revenue.

elli21 · 17-11-2018 2:41pm

I wonder did big willy get his money back after the 2 days.

I want to feel sorry for the young lad ...I truly do, it was a terrible beating...but I can't help but think he has doled out a few himself in the company of Big willy

demanufactured · 17-11-2018 4:32pm

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Kids in the background while thats going on...

Yes, a great showing of their culture and beauty as an ethnic minority.

Spanish Eyes · 17-11-2018 4:39pm

I have said it often, they really do know how to shout and roar. Even happened on the LLS with Casey too, and in many another clip I've seen.

Despicable behaviour. But that's Traveller ethnicity for ya.

marknjb · 17-11-2018 4:41pm

I wonder how much the likes of this contributes to their high suicide rate

McDermotX · 17-11-2018 5:01pm

demanufactured wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIo88p6mJDs

Am I alone in thinking that the only shocking thing in this is the production of receipts for purchases ?

n97 mini · 17-11-2018 8:19pm

McDermotX wrote: »

Am I alone in thinking that the only shocking thing in this is the production of receipts for purchases ?

Personally I found deliberately trying to break his hand with the spanner was the most shocking.

erica74 · 17-11-2018 8:34pm

marknjb wrote: »

I wonder how much the likes of this contributes to their high suicide rate

You mean, you wonder how much their own culture has to do with the cultural problems they face? A question that has been asked and not answered many many times.

McDermotX · 17-11-2018 9:41pm

n97 mini wrote: »

Personally I found deliberately trying to break his hand with the spanner was the most shocking.

Nah......Just scumbags being scumbags.

mickdw · 17-11-2018 11:15pm

McDermotX wrote: »

Nah......Just scumbags being scumbags.

That is shocking. He didn't spare the spanner on him. Absolutely brutal.

demanufactured · 17-11-2018 11:23pm

mickdw wrote: »

That is shocking. He didn't spare the spanner on him. Absolutely brutal.

Not really shocking at all.....that's how travellers behave.
Living in the Midlands you'd see something like this regularly.

xi5yvm0owc1s2b · 17-11-2018 11:25pm

This kind of savagery is not culture. In fact, it's the opposite of culture. It's everything we should properly be striving to eliminate from society.

elperello · 17-11-2018 11:28pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

This kind of savagery is not culture. In fact, it's the opposite of culture. It's everything we should properly be striving to eliminate from society.

Of course it's not.
It's criminality no matter who is at it.
Nobody raised a kid to end up like that.

Wheeliebin30 · 17-11-2018 11:30pm

Can’t tar the one community with the one brush:)

demanufactured · 18-11-2018 3:38pm

Hattie Puny Litterbug wrote: »

This kind of savagery is not culture. In fact, it's the opposite of culture. It's everything we should properly be striving to eliminate from society.

I agree,
The government needs to act fast and start a program.

tayto lover · 18-11-2018 4:44pm

demanufactured wrote: »

I agree,
The government needs to act fast and start a program.

It's spelled pogrom.

893bet · 18-11-2018 5:19pm

https://youtu.be/BagPTgeffa0

Some culture from a kickboxing event from last night in Clare.

Embed fail.....! Click link works.

Odelay · 18-11-2018 7:00pm

893bet wrote: »

https://youtu.be/BagPTgeffa0

Some culture from a kickboxing event from last night in Clare.

Embed fail.....! Click link works.

Oh wow, that’s great culture. Fantastic to see such passion. I see we will have a new Olympic chair throwing champion soon:)

wally1990 · 18-11-2018 8:47pm

https://m.youtube.com/watch?feature=youtu.be&v=BagPTgeffa0

Peter Casey's beliefs of Travellers' ethnicity Part II

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