Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - General Thread

cletus · 27-10-2018 7:54am

Phoebe Full Overlap wrote: »

Watching a BJJ competition is like watching paint dry.

Baku is great

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipFCDroD2C4

Depends on the comp. A lot of the new no-gi sub only stuff is fun and interesting, EBI, Quintet, Submission Underground, Polaris.

MagicIRL · 02-11-2018 10:51am

I'm glad I'm not the only one that finds BJJ boring to watch! Highlights are class but watching a match from start to finish is so dull :pac:

We spent class yesterday doing two takedowns/foot sweeps and honestly it was some of the most fun I've had drilling a technique in a long, long time. Maybe because it felt so new to me that it just kept my attention?

Anyway - my knuckles are red from the gi and I've got less skin than when I started. 10/10 would sweep again.

arybvtcw0eolkf · 02-11-2018 7:03pm

Anyone cross training in Judo might be interested in seeing Jack Dennis from Lusk Judo Kan who in his 70's recently took GOLD in the Vets World Judo Championships in Cancun on the Ray Darcy Show RTE One on Saturday night

An incredible achievement.

Black Sheep · 05-11-2018 12:40pm

I recently signed up to UFC fight pass.

It was on a bit of a whim, really, but basically it is 71 euro for the year (thereabouts) if you make a 12 month commitment.

One of the things that swung me is that they have Polaris, EBI, Quintet etc.

Re: BJJ being like paint drying. It must be pretty subjective, because I would have said just the opposite to Makikomi - I find Judo quite boring to watch a lot of the time, whereas with BJJ I find it very compelling. Maybe it comes down to where the viewer's main interest and knowledge base lies.

Probably the most entertaining pro grappling match I have seen to date is AJ Azagarm v Daniel Strauss on Polaris. What an entertaining fight, still available free on YouTube.

badbeatcentral · 05-11-2018 3:32pm

Anyone know any dublin clubs that have no-gi open mats on a Sunday that are open to non-members?

mickydcork · 09-11-2018 5:36pm

Black Sheep wrote: »

I recently signed up to UFC fight pass.

It was on a bit of a whim, really, but basically it is 71 euro for the year (thereabouts) if you make a 12 month commitment.

One of the things that swung me is that they have Polaris, EBI, Quintet etc.

Re: BJJ being like paint drying. It must be pretty subjective, because I would have said just the opposite to Makikomi - I find Judo quite boring to watch a lot of the time, whereas with BJJ I find it very compelling. Maybe it comes down to where the viewer's main interest and knowledge base lies.

Probably the most entertaining pro grappling match I have seen to date is AJ Azagarm v Daniel Strauss on Polaris. What an entertaining fight, still available free on YouTube.

Quintet is super entertaining!

Dtp1979 · 09-11-2018 10:29pm

I just heard recently that Kieran Davern and joey Breslin got their black belts under John kavanagh. How many Irish black belts are there now?

Tazzimus · 10-11-2018 12:10am

Cian Conlan got his as well the same night.

Mellor · 10-11-2018 9:09am

Dtp1979 wrote: »

How many Irish black belts are there now?

It was around 50 a year and a half ago according to the Irish BJJ Facebook group. Maybe around 70 now. Possibly higher with Irish guys training in the UK or further overseas.

cletus · 12-11-2018 4:47pm

Well done to the lads. Remember the days when all belts from blue up could be tracked on a single page

RoboRat · 14-11-2018 6:00pm

Anyone going to the Grapple Kings in Feb? Interesting set up as it's a team event with 10 points for a ref decision and 15 for a sub. It's Ireland v Poland this event with the winner going to the UK to face the English squad.

I will update when I get the final list of competitors but I think this will be huge.

Black Sheep · 15-11-2018 11:02am

Considering how good the last Grapple Kings was I am definitely going!

rob316 · 15-11-2018 11:38am

Mellor wrote: »

It was around 50 a year and a half ago according to the Irish BJJ Facebook group. Maybe around 70 now. Possibly higher with Irish guys training in the UK or further overseas.

Some gyms are giving them out way too easily still. What ever you think about JK, all belts he rewards are overdue if anything.

I'm in an SBG gym, when I started 2 years ago there was a lad who left to go to another gym, he was a blue belt about a 6 months at the time. I saw his gyms FB page last month and there was a picture of him been awarded his brown belt.

roughly 2.5 years from blue to brown, I don't care how good he or his coaches think he is, the level must be ****.

Tazzimus · 15-11-2018 12:05pm

There are a few that have done it as quick, although they're usually full time at it.
Gunni got his black belt is near record time didn't he?

John is a hard man to get a belt from, makes it all the more worthwhile when you do get it.

rob316 · 15-11-2018 12:40pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

There are a few that have done it as quick, although they're usually full time at it.
Gunni got his black belt is near record time didn't he?

John is a hard man to get a belt from, makes it all the more worthwhile when you do get it.

Ya Gunni got his from Gracie at 21, think he did about 4 years. I know for sure this guy isn't anywhere near his level.

RoboRat · 15-11-2018 1:03pm

Some gyms are giving them out way too easily still. What ever you think about JK, all belts he rewards are overdue if anything.

I only know of one place where I have seen what I would consider to be premature promotions in Ireland. I'm with Ryano and promotions are not easy and there are quite a few BB's, but having rolled with them, they are definitely at that level.

I think people getting their belts early is down to the instructor not being at the BB level themselves - if you have someone who is brown when they are realistically a high blue or low purple, then the instructor has probably done so to show that as a BB he can dominate a brown, which looks better than dominating a blue, which is expected.

Mellor · 15-11-2018 1:37pm

rob316 wrote: »

Some gyms are giving them out way too easily still.

I don't know enough about the scene in Ireland to comment on the standard.
But speaking generally, the belts don't represent the same level for everyone.
A 45 year old casual and a 25 year old pro operate on different scales.

Gunni was blue to brown in 2 years under JK btw.

I'm in an SBG gym, when I started 2 years ago there was a lad who left to go to another gym, he was a blue belt about a are 6 months at the time. I saw his gyms FB page last month and there was a picture of him been awarded his brown belt.

roughly 2.5 years from blue to brown, I don't care how good he or his coaches think he is, the level must be ****.

A sample of 1 person means nothing.
I know a guy who went white to black in 5 years. And his level would be significantly higher than your average black belt.

Those guys are outliers of course. Your FB friends probably isn't another phenom. But if he was winning comps at a decent purple level. Then, easier to justify it.

darced · 15-11-2018 4:06pm

rob316 wrote: »

Some gyms are giving them out way too easily still. What ever you think about JK, all belts he rewards are overdue if anything.

I'm in an SBG gym, when I started 2 years ago there was a lad who left to go to another gym, he was a blue belt about a 6 months at the time. I saw his gyms FB page last month and there was a picture of him been awarded his brown belt.

roughly 2.5 years from blue to brown, I don't care how good he or his coaches think he is, the level must be ****.

If there are 70 or so black belts I know at least 30 of them and they are all beasts who have at least a decade of BJJ behind them. I can't think of one who is not black belt level and nearly all were well over-due the promotion.

Now there are a lot of clubs now who I wouldn't know anything about but in the long established clubs a black belt is still extremely hard to get.

If he got his purple in 6 months at the new club then 2 years to brown is normal enough for someone training hard.

veganrun · 17-11-2018 9:44am

Thinking of heading back to bjj next week. I broke my finger at the end of September but it's mostly better now. It still feels a bit off at times and the swelling hasn't gone away, but most of the pain is gone. The Dr said I can go back to bjj once I can make a fist and it's been like that for 2-3 weeks now. He also said I can expect pain for about 6 months.

I must be glutton for punishment

DrPhilG · 17-11-2018 9:49am

veganrun wrote: »

I must be glutton for punishment

Aren't we all...

I've been out for 6 weeks with a thigh strain, followed by a sinus infection.

Hoping that the current run of antibiotics gets me back on the mat.

Mellor · 19-11-2018 2:53pm

3 hour seminar with John Danaher tonight.
A lot to take in, will need a sleep to properly digest it all.

Mini850 · 19-11-2018 3:41pm

Mellor wrote: »

3 hour seminar with John Danaher tonight.
A lot to take in, will need a sleep to properly digest it all.

You lucky.............

Tazzimus · 19-11-2018 4:38pm

Mellor wrote: »

3 hour seminar with John Danaher tonight.
A lot to take in, will need a sleep to properly digest it all.

Do you still have two working legs?

Mellor · 19-11-2018 10:04pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Do you still have two working legs?

Was actually focused on escapes, not leg locks specifically. I've done leg locks with him before though.
Due to his approach to defence, each escape finished with a sub, so there was still some nice heel hook entries. But two triangles set ups where the highlight for me.

creeper1 · 20-11-2018 6:53am

So I have done enough to earn a grading in BJJ.

Great huh? The catch is a 60 euro equivalent fee for the belt and another 60 euro if I want a certificate.

I so far opted for the belt only but the award has not been made yet.

The above are Euro equivalents. I am not in Ireland so no need to name the academy.

I am wondering how boardies see this. A case of money grab or a way of supporting a club/instructor?

Tazzimus · 20-11-2018 10:46am

creeper1 wrote: »

So I have done enough to earn a grading in BJJ.

Great huh? The catch is a 60 euro equivalent fee for the belt and another 60 euro if I want a certificate.

I so far opted for the belt only but the award has not been made yet.

The above are Euro equivalents. I am not in Ireland so no need to name the academy.

I am wondering how boardies see this. A case of money grab or a way of supporting a club/instructor?

I would have thought your membership fee was doing that.

Sounds like a money grab.

I'm in SBG and while it's pricey, there's no cost for attending a grading or the belt etc.

Mellor · 20-11-2018 11:05am

Grading fees are rarely justified imo.
Is that to sit the grading, or only if you pass.
The certificate fee is just bonkers. It costs about 20c, it represents your achievement but it's inherently worthless in itself. How do they try justify that?

creeper1 · 20-11-2018 11:25am

He has a date in mind in December so presumably it will involve a gathering or maybe demonstration of some techniques. I have no idea.

No attempt was made at justification. Just “these are the prices. Do you want a belt alone or plus certificate?”

I suspect they maybe charged 120 euros in the past and then broke up the price when people balked but really I have no way of knowing.

Black Sheep · 20-11-2018 1:17pm

Where's the school? Is the price of everything high where you are? I think if aggressive pricing was the norm and across the board (for example, New York) then I wouldn't be as concerned.

Are your membership fees high or low, is there a chance they are charging for gradings to offset low membership fees?

Is the instructor legit, and are you otherwise happy with his tuition?

eeloe · 20-11-2018 2:55pm

That's madness, i'd find another club if i was you, this guy is treating it as an extra money push before christmas no doubt.

Any gradings/promotions i've attended in the last while since i started, the lads were just handed their belts as a surprise....none were asked for money!

MagicIRL · 20-11-2018 4:15pm

Two chances would I pay for me grading. Fuck that.

eeloe · 20-11-2018 4:41pm

Moving on from paying for gradings.

Having a discussion with someone last night at the gym, comparing our niggles and injuries. and we got on to stretching, and with the weather turning cold....

We both have dodgy knees, and both have relatively new tendinitis, and he mentioned that he thinks it's actually better to get warm first with some basic movements, shrimps, shoulder rolls and so on, then drill and roll, and then stretch afterwards.

I usually like to try and get over 20-25 mins before class starts and do as much stretching as possible, but no matter how much i stretch, i still feel as stiff as a poker until i actually get warm.

The whole point of this post tho is to ask opinions, Stretching, BEFORE, or AFTER class?

Tazzimus · 20-11-2018 4:58pm

eeloe wrote: »

Moving on from paying for gradings.

Having a discussion with someone last night at the gym, comparing our niggles and injuries. and we got on to stretching, and with the weather turning cold....

We both have dodgy knees, and both have relatively new tendinitis, and he mentioned that he thinks it's actually better to get warm first with some basic movements, shrimps, shoulder rolls and so on, then drill and roll, and then stretch afterwards.

I usually like to try and get over 20-25 mins before class starts and do as much stretching as possible, but no matter how much i stretch, i still feel as stiff as a poker until i actually get warm.

The whole point of this post tho is to ask opinions, Stretching, BEFORE, or AFTER class?

I was always of the opinion that static stretching can do more damage beforehand.

Mobility warm up (shrimping etc) then stretch after the class to alleviate some of the stiffness/fight off muscle knotting.

Mellor · 20-11-2018 10:16pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

I was always of the opinion that static stretching can do more damage beforehand.

It causes a short term dip in maximum strength. But I don't think there's an damage or injury risk. It's a not great before heavy lifting due to that dip, but shouldn't be an issue before jiu jitsu.

That said a dynamic warm up would be better at loosening you up. Static stretch afterwards or on a different day altogether.

eeloe · 21-11-2018 12:31am

Gonna give tomorrow a blast with just 20 mins of movements and see how I go.

I could use this time to work on some inverting drills, get the back warmed up and basically not suck at inverting!

Black Sheep · 21-11-2018 10:31am

A warm-up, for the purpose of preventing injury, needs mainly to elevate body temperature and probably should mimic to some extent the movement patterns to be used in the workout. For BJJ I think it's reasonable to consider that some form of generic dynamic warm-up with BJJ specific movements incorporated is fine. As a rule of thumb a light sweat is probably the place to cut it off, although what's going to get a trainee to that point would seem to potentially be pretty varied.

As someone mentioned, the evidence is that a protracted period of static stretching inhibits performance (probably a moot point for the average BJJ trainee, it must be said... Would be more relevant to a weightlifter trying to set a new one rep max lift, for example). But the main problem with doing that pre-training is that it's not going to raise your body temperature so is actually probably less effective from an injury prevention point of view than running in circles or doing another generic callisthenic movement like jumping jacks, mountain climbers etc.

The other thing that's always worth saying is that a very long, intense warm-up that fatigues you a fair bit is no longer a warm up, it's now a short conditioning workout. I think that's fine if what is intended, but to me it's neither fish nor fowl... Overkill for warming up and probably not the time to try to incorporate proper conditioning into someone's training... It'd be easier to plan and monitor progress done separately. I'd just rather spend that mat time on something BJJ specific only.

Mellor · 22-11-2018 2:05pm

Cane across this podcast on The Irish BJJ group on Facebook (also Reddit). Well worth 90mins imo.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1
419240074963839/permalink/2350272561860581

https://www.soundcloud.com/thousandholds

If you've ever been curious about some of the other grappling styles out there, you might find this interesting. I was initially inspired to start this podcast when I was in the middle of building this map of folk-wrestling styles and realised that I knew absolutely ****-all about the Irish style on there. A few months of research later, and I finally released the first episode yesterday. Currently just on Soundcloud, but will up on iTunes in the next day or two for anyone who prefers to listen that way.
I have plans for future episodes on other styles from around the world as well, but I want to do each one justice and put some proper research in, so I definitely won't be banging out episodes every week or so - probably more like every few months.

cletus · 25-11-2018 12:58pm

Just saw the paying for grading thing. It's ubiquitous in "traditional" martial arts, but I'd not heard of it in bjj. Have things changed?

When I graded, it was at a Rodrigo Medeiros seminar organised by the club (a bjj revolution affiliate) at the end of the seminar, a number if us we're called up, given our belts, and then thrown on our heads. We weren't even really aware that we were being graded

eeloe · 27-11-2018 12:38pm

Anyone else suffer injuries to the backs of their ears? ended up in A&E last night till poxy 4am. Second time this has happened since i started, but opposite ears, first time Caredoc just cleaned it and stuck a bit of glue on it, this time Caredoc wouldn't touch it because he said it needed proper stitches, and i'm taking a medication for psoriasis, and as soon as i mentioned that he didn't want to know.

Was having the best nights training i've had in MONTHS, first roll i had one of my best friends tapped me about 4 times in 3 minutes, other rolls then i was actually progressing a being able to put down the pressure like i could before i got the knee injury. so i was happy that i was getting back to where i was, a few months ago.

The the last roll, i was caught in kind of a weird Kimura but i was able to roll out of it, what ever happened as i was rolling out of it, my right ear got pressed against his left hip and what ever way we both moved, the Tatami embroidery basically tore the back of the ear off me...sliced from top to bottom.

Ended up sitting in A&E for 4 hours before being seen, Triage nurse confirmed it needed stitches, then the doctor said it was too late to stitch it and just glued it again.

RoboRat · 28-11-2018 2:36pm

Get a scrum cap or a wrestling ear guard. Some people are more prone to ear problems than others. I have never had an issue but some of the lads I roll with keep getting cauliflower ears. Its a worthwhile investment and they don't cost a lot.

eeloe · 28-11-2018 3:51pm

might have to pick something up.

Can't roll till the glue comes off for fear of opening the wound again.

I tried on a gi jacket last night at home and moved around a bit, and the lapel kinda pushed up in to the ear and it was nasty.

Hopefully class tonight won't actually require a gi jacket and i can still drill the techniques, otherwise i'll be sitting out!

Why are our bodies so breakable?

arse..biscuits · 28-11-2018 5:45pm

I started wearing a scrum cap recently. It's hot and sweaty but doesn't annoy me much. I think I'll get a different one though because the strap is a bit rough and cuts into my neck leaving a nasty red line the next day.

Mellor · 10-12-2018 2:20pm

Nicky Ryan is ridiculously good. His still only 17. Technically a purple belt, will be a beat by 20 imo.

MagicIRL · 10-12-2018 2:35pm

How long has Nicky been grappling? He's brilliant.

Edit: I found this link https://www.jiujitsutimes.com/rise-ryans-nicky-ryans-first-invitational-match/ which mentions he's been with Danaher since December 2014... that is incredible if he's performing that good after only 4 years of jiujitsu :O

Love him or hate him, Danaher is surely the best jiujitsu coach in the world?

eeloe · 11-12-2018 12:44am

He’s certainly a good coach, but the like of Nicky are rare, super rare. To excell that much in any sport.....

MagicIRL · 11-12-2018 10:53am

eeloe wrote: »

He’s certainly a good coach, but the like of Nicky are rare, super rare. To excell that much in any sport.....

That is true - but with Gordon, Tonon and Crelinsten now fighting out of the "blue basement" and being incredibly successful in competition it can surely be attributed to the level of day-to-day coaching they're all receiving.

eeloe · 11-12-2018 3:12pm

MagicIRL wrote: »

That is true - but with Gordon, Tonon and Crelinsten now fighting out of the "blue basement" and being incredibly successful in competition it can surely be attributed to the level of day-to-day coaching they're all receiving.

It's certainly saying something that everyone from the same gym is literally cleaning up.

Has anyone watched any of his Enter the System DVD's?

Mellor · 12-12-2018 1:13pm

eeloe wrote: »

He’s certainly a good coach, but the like of Nicky are rare, super rare. To excell that much in any sport.....

He's super rare. I'm not sure that's down to being a genetic freak or anything though.
If mainly because he has put in an insane about of hours with elite coaching and partners.

If anyone did that over the last 4 years. They might be Nicky Ryan good, but they'd still be pretty damn good.

eeloe wrote: »

Has anyone watched any of his Enter the System DVD's?

I haven't. But the consensus is that they are good, but also very expensive.
There are probably better sets you could by forbthe money depending on what you want to study.

Tazzimus · 12-12-2018 5:59pm

Seen something pop up on bookface that Roddy is competing at Grapple Kings

Mellor · 12-12-2018 9:56pm

Tazzimus wrote: »

Seen something pop up on bookface that Roddy is competing at Grapple Kings

Yeah I seen that. Against some Polish guy, whose name I didn't recognise.

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