Where's the best place to emigrate to?

wicorthered · 24-11-2010 10:10pm #1

Simple question. I think most young people will have no option but to emigrate. Even though I have a full time job that is secure I see no future here in Ireland. Already done the year in Australia. Where should I be thinking of?

Atilathehun · 24-11-2010 10:13pm

wicorthered wrote: »

Simple question. I think most young people will have no option but to emigrate. Even though I have a full time job that is secure I see no future here in Ireland. Already done the year in Australia. Where should I be thinking of?

South Kerry. The austerity measures don't apply there compliments of the Healy Rea mafia:D

MGMTea · 24-11-2010 10:14pm

Im also looking to emigrate, i'm still in school so I should probbaly start planning while i'm young

ntlbell · 24-11-2010 10:14pm

Canada probably.

delonglad · 24-11-2010 10:18pm

anywhere in the eu is an option! Plenty of jobs over here just a language barrier but most people speak "Engels"!

listermint · 24-11-2010 10:23pm

' Even though i have a full time job here which is secure'

Get off it OP will you, Get off it. Tired of these nonsense doldrum threads.
Your working , Maybe its your job that is making you unhappy concentrate on that being the source of your unhappyines rather than the unknown that you are assuming will happen in 10 years.

BTW best place to emigrate to - Mayo. its beautiful country out there.

keane2097 · 24-11-2010 10:25pm

listermint wrote: »

' Even though i have a full time job here which is secure'

Get off it OP will you, Get off it. Tired of these nonsense doldrum threads.
Your working , Maybe its your job that is making you unhappy concentrate on that being the source of your unhappyines rather than the unknown that you are assuming will happen in 10 years.

BTW best place to emigrate to - Mayo. its beautiful country out there.

Absolutely no point staying around here to spend the next several decades of your life working to pay off the incredible hubris of middle aged retards if you're young enough and free enough to GTFO.

Ride away off on your high horse if you're not going to offer advice on the issue asked about imo.

Sticky_Fingers · 24-11-2010 10:27pm

listermint wrote: »

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BTW best place to emigrate to - Mayo. its beautiful country out there.

Shame about the natives though:P.
I'm thinking of heading off to Canada, nice friendly locals, beautiful scenery and all that wide open space, a job would be nice too.

femur61 · 24-11-2010 10:30pm

I'm with you on this one. PS suffered very little maybe the lower paid have but in reality why are nurses, teachers, gaurds the best paid in Europe. We don't have an economy to sustain their level of wages. That is why people are annoyed, before anyone asks, and yes we all feel we do a worthwhile demanding job. The injustice of it all is really getting to me, 166 TD's for a population the size of greater Manchester who survive on 27. Taoisach paid nearly as much as Barack Obama.

Climber · 24-11-2010 10:31pm

I emigrated to switzerland four months ago, I feel so lucky yet guilty of having made the move.

We could learn a lot from this country. Real democracy and local government, everyone feels represented.

God bless Ireland

Koloman · 24-11-2010 10:32pm

listermint wrote: »

' Even though i have a full time job here which is secure'

Get off it OP will you, Get off it. Tired of these nonsense doldrum threads.
Your working , Maybe its your job that is making you unhappy concentrate on that being the source of your unhappyines rather than the unknown that you are assuming will happen in 10 years.

BTW best place to emigrate to - Mayo. its beautiful country out there.

You have a point. There have been multiple threads started on this topic and I think the OP needs to check these out first. It just gets depressing when people keep starting new threads about it.

Many people never saw the bust coming so lets hope there's a chance the recovery is not as far away as people seem to think.

listermint · 24-11-2010 10:35pm

keane2097 wrote: »

Absolutely no point staying around here to spend the next several decades of your life working to pay off the incredible hubris of middle aged retards if you're young enough and free enough to GTFO.

Ride away off on your high horse if you're not going to offer advice on the issue asked about imo.

Working to pay off what, youll pay just as high taxes in many countries so where are you getting that from??

Why cant someone quite happily work here and live out there life as we've being doing for 100's of years.

'Incredible hubris of middle aged retards' ireland has one of the youngest populations in the eu.

Whos on the high horse? im tired of this rubbish from people who are clearly employed in steady jobs. I gave the OP and answer. Who says there is no future here, you? Forget the financial situation is there anything else that is bothering the OP work /life.

Im not on a high horse. Im very young ive been to Oz to and around the globe in fact. And im quite happy here despite our recent news. We have a beautiful island and beautiful people on it. Dont forget that.

Always number 1 · 24-11-2010 10:37pm

femur61 wrote: »

I'm with you on this one. PS suffered very little maybe the lower paid have but in reality why are nurses, teachers, gaurds the best paid in Europe. We don't have an economy to sustain their level of wages. That is why people are annoyed, before anyone asks, and yes we all feel we do a worthwhile demanding job. The injustice of it all is really getting to me, 166 TD's for a population the size of greater Manchester who survive on 27. Taoisach paid nearly as much as Barack Obama.

What do the public servants have to do with where the OP wants to emigrate to? :rolleyes:

listermint · 24-11-2010 10:43pm

Oh and on another note,

It is precisely the 'look after me' / 'f everyone ' / 'im blowing off outta here' attitude that has us where we are. Politicians have it, Developers had it, The Wealthy have it, and it has fed into the general population that caught it like a disease over the last number of boom years.

Maybe we can now get some of our community attitude restored when people arent in a race to look after number one and keep up with their neighbours kitchens / cars/ holiday homes.

To the OP, Asses your own self first. Dont start thinking about what might or could happen. The Economy is the econmomy.

Koloman · 24-11-2010 10:45pm

Marc Coleman is asking the question on Newstalk later at 10pm, whether the Irish have a form of self loathing.

We overexagerated the country when we had the boom and now we're overdoing the gloom now we have the bust.

listermint · 24-11-2010 10:47pm

Koloman wrote: »

Marc Coleman is asking the question on Newstalk later at 10pm, whether the Irish have a form of self loathing.

We overexagerated the country when we had the boom and now we're overdoing the gloom now we have the bust.

Id 100% agree with it. Folks cant seem to get a grip.

We lost the grip for the past 15 years. And were losing it again.

Family and your health are all that matters. Believe me there are far far worse things out there than watching our money troubles on the 6 1. I know first hand.

Koloman · 24-11-2010 10:48pm

listermint wrote: »

Oh and on another note,

It is precisely the 'look after me' / 'f everyone ' / 'im blowing off outta here' attitude that has us where we are. Politicians have it, Developers had it, The Wealthy have it, and it has fed into the general population that caught it like a disease over the last number of boom years.

Maybe we can now get some of our community attitude restored when people arent in a race to look after number one and keep up with their neighbours kitchens / cars/ holiday homes.

To the OP, Asses your own self first. Dont start thinking about what might or could happen. The Economy is the econmomy.

True. It a bit selfish to just bailout (no pun intended) especially when you have a secure job.

I have genuine sympathy for people who just can't secure work and need to emigrate but this isn't the case with the OP.

wicorthered · 24-11-2010 11:20pm

listermint wrote: »

Oh and on another note,

It is precisely the 'look after me' / 'f everyone ' / 'im blowing off outta here' attitude that has us where we are. Politicians have it, Developers had it, The Wealthy have it, and it has fed into the general population that caught it like a disease over the last number of boom years.

Maybe we can now get some of our community attitude restored when people arent in a race to look after number one and keep up with their neighbours kitchens / cars/ holiday homes.

To the OP, Asses your own self first. Dont start thinking about what might or could happen. The Economy is the econmomy.

Who the hell do you think you are to judge me and judge my life!! I'm perfectly entitled to emigrate if I choose to.

My life is OK here but I want more then OK. Why settle for something OK when I could have a better life somewhere else. If it doesn't work out I can come home. Ireland is ruined we'll be paying back a debt we can't afford, a debt I in no way contributed to why should I lose 40% of my pay to pay for FF incompetence!!!

listermint · 24-11-2010 11:36pm

wicorthered wrote: »

Who the hell do you think you are to judge me and judge my life!! I'm perfectly entitled to emigrate if I choose to.

My life is OK here but I want more then OK. Why settle for something OK when I could have a better life somewhere else. If it doesn't work out I can come home. Ireland is ruined we'll be paying back a debt we can't afford, a debt I in no way contributed to why should I lose 40% of my pay to pay for FF incompetence!!!

Grass is always greener man, always greener.

You came on looking for opinions on emigration so you got some. Dont like them then dont ask! The topic has been covered and covered and covered. If you were that interested youd research it rather than starting another spurious thread because you watched the news and are angry at the government.

I can judge who i like its a free country, where you probably got heavily subsidised education to put you in the position you are now. But yeah by all means look after yourself. Doesnt bother me, I was merely giving my opinion on your query and other queries that are similar in this public forum.
:cool:

Koloman · 24-11-2010 11:37pm

wicorthered wrote: »

Who the hell do you think you are to judge me and judge my life!! I'm perfectly entitled to emigrate if I choose to.

My life is OK here but I want more then OK. Why settle for something OK when I could have a better life somewhere else. If it doesn't work out I can come home. Ireland is ruined we'll be paying back a debt we can't afford, a debt I in no way contributed to why should I lose 40% of my pay to pay for FF incompetence!!!

Grass is always greener maybe? Since you pay 40% of your pay then you must have a relatively well paid job. Many of us don't even have a job!

It's no good sounding pretentious when you get a opinion you don't like. You asked for a judgement about your life don't forget!

x in the city · 25-11-2010 12:45am

40% of your pay

please elaborate....

mashtobi · 25-11-2010 1:08am

i couldnt help but read yere posts. I want to leave this country so bad, im a qualified bookkeeper, ive never applied for a passport ever, never been abroad PRONTO!

I would like to know the steps in getting a job abroad, and the ups and downs and general proper way of securing a new life abroad, aswell as suggesting what would be the best country to apply to.

Will be glad to hear your comments, i feel so suffocated with all this **** goin down in Dail Eireann:mad:

old_aussie · 25-11-2010 1:14am

Poland

Australia don't want a "bunch of quitters" coming out here to bleed our country dry then pack up and piss off again cause the grass is greener somewhere else.

x in the city · 25-11-2010 1:20am

old_aussie wrote: »

Poland

Australia don't want a "bunch of quitters" coming out here to bleed our country dry then pack up and piss off again cause the grass is greener somewhere else.

aussies are very nice people and I'm clearly just bitter and jealouse.

Fysh Sez: "If you can't be nice, at least don't be a complete prat. Keep it civil next time and leave the xenophobia at home".

listermint · 25-11-2010 10:16am

mashtobi wrote: »

i couldnt help but read yere posts. I want to leave this country so bad, im a qualified bookkeeper, ive never applied for a passport ever, never been abroad PRONTO!

I would like to know the steps in getting a job abroad, and the ups and downs and general proper way of securing a new life abroad, aswell as suggesting what would be the best country to apply to.

Will be glad to hear your comments, i feel so suffocated with all this **** goin down in Dail Eireann:mad:

TBH, Your posts sound pretty nonsensical. A qualified Book keeper would know how to get a passport. So im no convinced you are looking for advice.

Good day to you sir!

TomBeckett · 25-11-2010 10:51am

listermint wrote: »

Working to pay off what, youll pay just as high taxes in many countries so where are you getting that from??

Why cant someone quite happily work here and live out there life as we've being doing for 100's of years.

'Incredible hubris of middle aged retards' ireland has one of the youngest populations in the eu.

Whos on the high horse? im tired of this rubbish from people who are clearly employed in steady jobs. I gave the OP and answer. Who says there is no future here, you? Forget the financial situation is there anything else that is bothering the OP work /life.

Im not on a high horse. Im very young ive been to Oz to and around the globe in fact. And im quite happy here despite our recent news. We have a beautiful island and beautiful people on it. Dont forget that.

W Have a beautiful island and beaufiful people on it..!!!! Are you Joking?? you cant be possibly scerious:eek:

OP Thailand is very nice all year around:D

Fysh · 25-11-2010 11:57am

Everybody take a step back and cool off.

The OP in this thread was looking for advice on emigration. Since then we've had entire nationalities being insulted, silly attempts to blame emigrants for the state of the nation, and failed attempts at humour.

Cop on, all of ye. If you want to act the maggot, go and do it in After Hours or The Cuckoos Next. The next person to post anything other than a helpful and constructive response is getting banned.

Jim2007 · 25-11-2010 8:56pm

Climber wrote: »

I emigrated to switzerland four months ago, I feel so lucky yet guilty of having made the move.

We could learn a lot from this country. Real democracy and local government, everyone feels represented.

God bless Ireland

I've been here 20 years, give it time, it's not all that good.

The entire political system is designed to preserve the status qua - elections are rather pointless, since everyone knows that the government will be exactly the same as the previous one - two ministers each from the three main parties and 1 from the other, in most cases it's even the same people..... Very few young people bother to vote since they feel it is pointless..... And of course since all of the parties are in government... where is the opposition!

Having said that more of the same is good enough for me

Were are you btw,

Jim.

Tom Dunne · 25-11-2010 9:28pm

The Middle East.

They actually do not know the meaning of the word recession.

Seriously.

MarkD. · 25-11-2010 11:26pm

Tom Dunne wrote: »

The Middle East.

They actually do not know the meaning of the word recession.

Seriously.

What kind of jobs could an Irish person walk into over there? What is in demand?

delonglad · 25-11-2010 11:30pm

MarkD. wrote: »

What kind of jobs could an Irish person walk into over there? What is in demand?

Plenty of jobs in oil rigs and the like. Mechanical, Electrical, Civil Engineers could all do well out there. My uncle (Irish American) has been in Dubai for 5 years now and he is making more money than sense!

boatbuilder · 25-11-2010 11:34pm

I saw adverts in the Irish Times today for construction workers in Dubai.....maybe an option?

Tom Dunne · 26-11-2010 10:08am

MarkD. wrote: »

What kind of jobs could an Irish person walk into over there? What is in demand?

The area I have moved in to is education, plenty of opportunities at all levels (primary, secondary and third level).

Oil and gas are the obvious ones, but also finance. Construction seems to have slowed considerably, so I would not be sure about that area.

myflipflops · 26-11-2010 12:22pm

The best place to emigrate is completely relative, like most things in life.

I left over 14 months ago. I got offered a better paying job than in Ireland and a chance to travel while furthering my career so i took it (no guilt, an irish guy got my old job - 1 less unemployed graduate).

Anyway, I spent a bit under 13 months in the Carribbean on an island of 70000 people. Perfect beaches, beautiful blue skies and 30 degrees every day. After 3 months, I hated it. The 'laid back' attitude of people was just antipathy to me. Island fever kicked in quickly. Terrible roads, red tape to do anything and corruption evident. It was a struggle. Other ex pats there loved it.

I'm now in Makati City in the Phillipines for over a months and i love it. Lively city, cheap as anything and the nicest people I've ever encountered. Other people working for the company here have hated it.

People thinking of emigrating always look for easy advice - tell me where is good? What kind of job can I get? Are the women/men attractive?? it;s all opinions.

As someone with a bit of experience as an emigrant i advise you to do some proper research yourself. Get online and get looking at jobs. Thoroughly research everything about the place you are going to move to. Look at the costs involved - not just rental costs or travel costs but other things. What's the tax situation? What is the cost of groceries (this can make a massive difference)? Remember that it;s a massive step and one that could end up with you back in Ireland pretty sharpish if things don't work out.

The places most frequently suggested for emigration (Britain aside) are Australia, Canada and (if you can get) America. Think outside the box. These places may be great but there is a big world out there to experience if you want out of Ireland.

greenbrain · 26-11-2010 12:46pm

what kind of job are u doing in makati city?

3DataModem · 26-11-2010 12:51pm

Isle of Man.

Low crime, low unemployment, free healthcare, 20pc top rate of tax, beautiful countryside, English speaking, 25 minute flight away, outside EU.

Perfect.

Johnny_Trotter · 26-11-2010 4:16pm

myflipflops wrote: »

Think outside the box. These places may be great but there is a big world out there to experience if you want out of Ireland.

As an EU citizen, you'd be amazed with how many possibilities there are within a few hours of home. You have 26 other countries which you can consider outside Ireland, without needing to worry about visas or so on. Even if you wanted to stick to an English speaking environment, there are possibilities such as Malta or the UK out there. However, even working in Poland, I find I am under no obligation to speak Polish, although my colleagues appreciate my efforts to learn. Don't let language be a hindrance if you are considering moving somewhere.

As myflipflops has said, consider what you would like to gain by emigrating, and then see which options (for countries/locations) can meet those requirements.

munchkin_utd · 26-11-2010 4:56pm

theres opportunities in europe all right.
last time I looked there were 640,000 open positions on the website for the job office in germany

but,
australia is so much further away so it must be a better option

myflipflops · 27-11-2010 9:02am

greenbrain wrote: »

what kind of job are u doing in makati city?

I work for a North American facing online gambling company.

Johnny_Trotter wrote: »

As an EU citizen, you'd be amazed with how many possibilities there are within a few hours of home. You have 26 other countries which you can consider outside Ireland,.

Absolutely, my main point is that people seem to needlessly limit themselves to 4/5 standard options.

1stimpressions · 29-11-2010 7:51am

TomBeckett wrote: »

W Have a beautiful island and beaufiful people on it..!!!! Are you Joking?? you cant be possibly scerious:eek:

OP Thailand is very nice all year around:D

+1 for Thailand

keithclancy · 29-11-2010 11:57am

delonglad wrote: »

Plenty of jobs in oil rigs and the like. Mechanical, Electrical, Civil Engineers could all do well out there. My uncle (Irish American) has been in Dubai for 5 years now and he is making more money than sense!

If you can ignore the Ethical issues that raise there head there then your grand.
Also, if you cannot pay a debt in Dubai, you go to jail.

You'd want to watch out on the public affection thing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8602449.stm

delonglad · 29-11-2010 2:33pm

keithclancy wrote: »

If you can ignore the Ethical issues that raise there head there then your grand.
Also, if you cannot pay a debt in Dubai, you go to jail.

You'd want to watch out on the public affection thing
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8602449.stm

Yeah they have some mad views over there alright (each to their own) but the uncle seems to be getting on great over there.

Doesn't matter though i'm happy out here in Eindhoven

Plenty of jobs here too!

syklops · 26-12-2010 4:02pm

MarkD. wrote: »

What kind of jobs could an Irish person walk into over there? What is in demand?

IT is booming in Europe. as a result of IT booming, lots of other non-IT related jobs are available. Us techs need HR people, and canteen workers, and office administrators etc.

As I keep saying don't just look at North America, Australia and the UK when you are looking at job sites.

Jim2007 · 26-12-2010 4:51pm

syklops wrote: »

IT is booming in Europe. as a result of IT booming, lots of other non-IT related jobs are available. Us techs need HR people, and canteen workers, and office administrators etc.

As I keep saying don't just look at North America, Australia and the UK when you are looking at job sites.

delonglad wrote: »

Yeah they have some mad views over there alright (each to their own) but the uncle seems to be getting on great over there.

Doesn't matter though i'm happy out here in Eindhoven

Plenty of jobs here too!

Could not agree more... It's very difficult to get good IT people in Europe right now - last time out, we were lucky to drum up four or five good applicants!

Good luck with that,

Jim (Switzerland).

SyntonFenix · 30-12-2010 2:38pm

boatbuilder wrote: »

I saw adverts in the Irish Times today for construction workers in Dubai.....maybe an option?

Wouldn't go near the Middle East.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/8228244/Britain-forms-plan-for-Gulf-evacuation-in-event-of-war-with-Iran.html

Tom Dunne · 31-12-2010 7:07am

SyntonFenix wrote: »

Wouldn't go near the Middle East.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/dubai/8228244/Britain-forms-plan-for-Gulf-evacuation-in-event-of-war-with-Iran.html

Because they are forward planning for a "what if?" scenario. Just like when nuclear bunkers were built in the US during the 50's? Or when lifejackets became mandatory on boats? Or when you buy life assurance?

If you knew anything about the Middle East and the politics of the region, you would know why war is extremely unlikely.

Typical ill-informed hysteria about the region.

old_aussie · 31-12-2010 7:08am

Try UAE

SyntonFenix · 04-01-2011 1:29pm

Tom Dunne wrote: »

Because they are forward planning for a "what if?" scenario. Just like when nuclear bunkers were built in the US during the 50's? Or when lifejackets became mandatory on boats? Or when you buy life assurance?

If you knew anything about the Middle East and the politics of the region, you would know why war is extremely unlikely.

Typical ill-informed hysteria about the region.

Where would you suggest is the best place to look for employment in the region?

professore · 04-01-2011 1:34pm

keithclancy wrote: »

Also, if you cannot pay a debt in Dubai, you go to jail.

That's the same here ?

keithclancy · 04-01-2011 3:38pm

professore wrote: »

That's the same here ?

No, you can declare bankrupcy.

Have you ever heard of anyone in Ireland going to jail for an unpaid visa bill ?

keane2097 · 04-01-2011 6:13pm

keithclancy wrote: »

No, you can declare bankrupcy.

Have you ever heard of anyone in Ireland going to jail for an unpaid visa bill ?

One quick google search later:

http://www.debtadvice.ie/blogs/83/Court-frees-Woman-Jailed-Over-1500-Credit-Card-Debt.html

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