Destroying A Whole Generation Of Music

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 9:13pm #1

I was just listening to Radio Nova and along comes a song from Dire Straits, it was 'Money For Nothing', But at the part when he sing's...

That little ****** got his own jet airplane
That little ****** he's a millionaire, It was cut from the song. It's only the start, soon a whole original generation of music will be completely destroyed if this keeps up.Any song that has a slight forwarded word of unease will be cut and mangled to suit the millennial safe-space boxed people.

What do you think, is removing lyrics from original music a good thing or a bad thing ?.

LessOutragePlz · 15-01-2019 9:16pm

Just listen to the uncensored version.

Problem solved!

5uspect · 15-01-2019 9:17pm

Oh, we’re blaming the millennials for the BAI rules now are we? Stupid millennials with their stranglehold on the government.

Church on Tuesday · 15-01-2019 9:17pm

Absolutely a bad thing.

Music is a reflection of life like all art and life contains vulgarities.

Music is art, you wouldn't destroy a piece of Rembrandt or Van Gogh would you?

Collie D · 15-01-2019 9:19pm

That song must make up about 10% of Nova’s playlist

Alun · 15-01-2019 9:19pm

Interesting, I've listened to that song hundreds if not thousands of times and never actually heard the word that's bleeped out at all. Had to Google the lyrics! I've no idea what word I thought I was hearing all those years either!

Allinall · 15-01-2019 9:20pm

******.
Fagg,ot

4068ac1elhodqr · 15-01-2019 9:24pm

One Dire Straits song isn't too bad, if it means the entire genre (90% anyway) of rap music is censored due to it's lyrical theme around social irresponsibility.

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 9:25pm

Allinall wrote: »

******.
Fagg,ot

Translated To English... &ollox

Soon, we will not even notice the changes and removal of lyrics. It's a dangerous precedent.

Play 'The Dead Kennedy's' now and most will collapse in shock, needing an ambulance.

To drunk to ****, will be too much of an embarrassment to some men and they will run into their wardrobe to hide of the fear of it all.

Sonics2k · 15-01-2019 9:26pm

Radio censorship, pre-watershed, has been a thing since like the 60's in Ireland?

Go listen to any given Eminem song and you'll get the same thing.

Gimme A Pound · 15-01-2019 9:29pm

Only heard that line of the song in the last I'd say five years. Prior to that, any time I heard the song it didn't even have that verse. So there has obviously been a radio edit for years.

ArchXStanton · 15-01-2019 9:32pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

Translated To English... &ollox

Soon, we will not even notice the changes and removal of lyrics. It's a dangerous precedent.

Play 'The Dead Kennedy's' now and most will collapse in shock, needing an ambulance.

To drunk to ****, will be too much of an embarrassment to some men and they will run into their wardrobe to hide of the fear of it all.

Remember when Jello Biafra from DK took on Tipper Gore and her pmrc group on Oprah? For the censoring of an album cover, he made absolute ribbons of her on the show

ArchXStanton · 15-01-2019 9:35pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

Remember when Jello Biafra from DK took on Tipper Gore and her pmrc group on Oprah? For the censoring of an album cover, he made absolute ribbons of her on the show

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7NSXnlQ64

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 9:36pm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Radio censorship, pre-watershed, has been a thing since like the 60's in Ireland?

Go listen to any given Eminem song and you'll get the same thing.

But, this is the first time ever that I heard a Dire Straits song censored, they always used the full lyrics at least 1 year ago, but I only noticed it and a few other songs missing the original full lyrics.

Gimme A Pound · 15-01-2019 9:36pm

Yeah cuz the Dead Kennedys are always on the radio!

Bleeping out words is not a new thing.

Gimme A Pound · 15-01-2019 9:38pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

But, this is the first time ever that I heard a Dire Straits song censored, they always used the full lyrics at least 1 year ago, but I only noticed it and a few other songs missing the original full lyrics.

Despite the song being almost 34 years old, I only first heard the full length version with the "little ******" bit in recent years.

ArchXStanton · 15-01-2019 9:38pm

Dangelo Helpless Painting wrote: »

Yeah cuz the Dead Kennedys are always on the radio!

Bleeping out words is not a new thing.

They should be, the message in their music is more relevant today than it was back then, way ahead of their time and better than 90% of the plastic music for plastic people that's played

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 9:42pm

ArchXStanton wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q_7NSXnlQ64

That's very interesting. It does go a long way back indeed. But it's getting a bit over-done now.

Mr. CooL ICE · 15-01-2019 9:44pm

My favourite bit of censorship ever was some rapper smoking a cigar, and MTV has blurred out the smoke coming off the cigar, but not the cigar itself.

BrianD3 · 15-01-2019 9:51pm

I bought the Money for Nothing compilation in about 1992 and the f*ggot verse was cut out entirely. During live performances (e.g. live Aid in 1985) the verse was there but generally with f*ggot changed to "queenie" which itself might be deemed offensive today. As might the "chicks for free" lyrics.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcqhvPNiJzo

Love that song.

Alun · 15-01-2019 9:52pm

Dangelo Helpless Painting wrote: »

Despite the song being almost 34 years old, I only first heard the full length version with the "little ******" bit in recent years.

I have the CD bought pretty much when it first came out and have listened back to that track. The f@ggot lines are definitely in there.

troyzer · 15-01-2019 9:52pm

Is ****** blocked on boards?

troyzer · 15-01-2019 9:53pm

troyzer wrote: »

Is ****** blocked on boards?

Hmm, apparently it is.

SEPT 23 1989 · 15-01-2019 9:54pm

Brothers in Arms was the first vinyl album I ever bought

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 9:54pm

Mark Rippetoe wrote: »

My favourite bit of censorship ever was some rapper smoking a cigar, and MTV has blurred out the smoke coming off the cigar, but not the cigar itself.

Yep, that's what we are dealing with now... Lunatics that think the world should be non masculine in every way, just placid and pink with blue hues of serenity mashticated in a smooth covering of boxed thinking and fear of what a human being might say.

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 9:55pm

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Brothers in Arms was the first vinyl album I ever bought

And what a beautiful album that was. The guitar was really top quality.

Gimme A Pound · 15-01-2019 9:56pm

Alun wrote: »

I have the CD bought pretty much when it first came out and have listened back to that track. The f@ggot lines are definitely in there.

Oh on the album yes of course, but the radio edit omits that part.

NewbridgeIR · 15-01-2019 10:01pm

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

And what a beautiful album that was. The guitar was really top quality.

Walk Of Life ruins the album. So out of place.

The Oort Cloud · 15-01-2019 10:04pm

NewbridgeIR wrote: »

Walk Of Life ruins the album. So out of place.

Yes, but there will always be one in every part of life.

Radio is on its way out now any way, most songs are badly put together, love songs that make you feel energetic to get up and switch to a different channel only to enter another frequency to hear the same downer love song of which almost makes you feel down. The 80's pirate stations were the best, no adds just music, instead of all talk, no music as what is the case today on radio. Radio is almost dead. Nova is the last one, but that could and will go to 15 minutes adverts and no music soon. maybe it's time to shut-down the FM radio spectrum.

NewbridgeIR · 15-01-2019 10:13pm

The original post displays a fundamental ignorance and lack of awareness regarding the concept of radio edits and single versions.

The are at least four versions of Money For Nothing.

The Brothers In Arms album came out in May 1985. The vinyl version has a 7:04 version of Money For Nothing. F****t lyric included. The CD had longer mixes of selected tracks - Money For Nothing is 8:25. Fa***t is in the house.

The Money For Nothing single emerged at the end of June 1985. The 7" includes the single edit which runs for 4:38. No fag**t lyric.

In 1988, Dire Straits released a best of album called Money For Nothing. To promote same, Vertigo put out a single on both 7" and CD that featured an even shorter edit (4:05) of Money For Nothing. No fagg*t on that either.

greencap · 15-01-2019 10:16pm

No consideration given to the fact that in the song he's mocking the people who had called someone a fag.

The lyrics are saying:

You called that guy a fagg0t, and now he's minted, with his own jet, while you're still here hauling microwave ovens and kitchen appliances.
And he's still got his own hair.

Its a complete mockery of narrow mindedness, and ignorance.

But oooh it uses a bad word.

Edit; motion to ban the line 'yeah buddy thats his own hair'.

Baldist.

Duffy the Vampire Slayer · 16-01-2019 12:38am

It's not like songs with the word f*ck or the likes were aired uncensored before. I rememeber the "clean" version of 50 Cent's P.I.M.P had a hilariously long gap where they edited out "moutherf*ckin". You are acting as though radio edits are new, when they clearly aren't.

gandalf · 16-01-2019 12:43am

This has been a thing for years. The yanks are the worst for it.

Harry Palmr · 16-01-2019 12:48am

Sure when the Who released Who Are You in 1978 there was a radio edit which cut out the bit containing "who the **** are you?" You can just about spot the join if you know what to listen for.

Of course the joke is that "She never lost her head while giving head" (Walk on the Wild Side Lou Reed) is still played without a fuss!

The Tetrarch · 16-01-2019 12:53am

In the film The Great Outdoors, starring John Candy and Dan Aykroyd (both Canadians \o/ ) Akyroyd describes hamburgers as "lips and arseholes".
A later version of the film replaces that with "offcuts".

I want to be offended in music.

Anesthetize · 16-01-2019 1:02am

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

I was just listening to Radio Nova and along comes a song from Dire Straits, it was 'Money For Nothing', But at the part when he sing's...

That little ****** got his own jet airplane
That little ****** he's a millionaire, It was cut from the song. It's only the start, soon a whole original generation of music will be completely destroyed if this keeps up.Any song that has a slight forwarded word of unease will be cut and mangled to suit the millennial safe-space boxed people.

What do you think, is removing lyrics from original music a good thing or a bad thing ?.

It's a bit of a non-issue really, as terrestrial radio is nowhere near as relevant as it once was.

If you want to listen to music without lyrics removed then just fire up Spotify.

Irish Guitarist · 16-01-2019 6:16am

Censoring songs isn't new but more and more words are becoming swear words.

Years ago I bought a Coolio CD and didn't realise I was buying the censored version. Every fifth or sixth word was removed. It was done really badly too. As well as removing the swear word the music was cut out too. It was unlistenable.

I was still a teenager at the time so this must have been around 1993.

16-01-2019 6:38am

The radio edit of this song, the 'cut' version OP is referring to, has been around and played for decades.

Sgt Hartman · 16-01-2019 8:40am

Collie D wrote: »

That song must make up about 10% of Nova’s playlist

With Sultans of Swing making up another 30% of their playlist.

Doctors room ghost · 16-01-2019 8:47am

I think there should be a rule brought in that radio stations are forced to play songs as they are written by the artist and not be allowed alter original versions.
I blame Ronan keating for starting all this generational,let's not offend each other horse sh1t. when he butchered the fairytale of New York.

Conway635 · 16-01-2019 9:01am

I don’t believe lyrics should be cut or beeped in most circumstances (perhaps an exception if the show is aimed at children - but then better to just play a different song).

Personally I have always played uncut versions where possible (I once played Liz Phair “Flower” on breakfast on Phantom, but that WAS in the pre BAI pirate era of the station.

I recently accidentally played a beeped out version of a track and was kicking myself afterwards.

One of the worst examples of a “radio edit” or single version is Beautiful South “Don’t Marry Her”

The substitution of the tame lyric “Don’t marry her HAVE me” for the original “Don’t marry her F**K me” totally breaks the premise of the song imo.

C635

Achasanai · 16-01-2019 9:02am

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

But, this is the first time ever that I heard a Dire Straits song censored, they always used the full lyrics at least 1 year ago, but I only noticed it and a few other songs missing the original full lyrics.

I doubt they were playing the full 8 and whatever minutes on the radio. Song was always edited (particularly the intro) and I have never noticed that verse before.

Anyway, songs - pre watershed - have been censored since forever.

Bob Harris · 16-01-2019 9:04am

******.

That's a word beginning with N that rhymes with tigger.

All is lost.

Muckka · 16-01-2019 9:07am

How I love listening to guns n rose's

I suppose Axl is my favourite misogynist in the music world.

He was well ahead of his time.

I used to love her but I had to kill her, he put her 6 feet under and he could still here her complaaaaaneee

super_furry · 16-01-2019 9:13am

Jaysus, have you literally only just discovered radio today?

This has been going on for decades - you've seriously never heard of radio edits before now?

Still, something, something millennials, avocado, whinge.

circadian · 16-01-2019 9:18am

****ing millenals ****ing censoring everything the ****ing *****!

I love how you're blaming a group of people who weren't even a twinkle in their parents eye when radio censorship was introduced.

Bravo OP. Bravo.

matrim · 16-01-2019 9:36am

Looking at the Wikipedia article on censorship in Ireland, it says

In the 1930s there was even a short-lived airplay ban on an entire genre of music known as the "ban on Jazz" (with an exceptionally wide definition of what constituted "jazz")

.

Damn millenniums and their time machines. Going back to the 30s to censor radio.

Sonics2k · 16-01-2019 9:45am

The Oort Cloud wrote: »

But, this is the first time ever that I heard a Dire Straits song censored, they always used the full lyrics at least 1 year ago, but I only noticed it and a few other songs missing the original full lyrics.

What's far more likely is that this is the first time you've noticed the song censored. Especially given the recent controversy around a Fairytale of New York.

Radio censorship of songs is not new, it's been around for decades.

super_furry · 16-01-2019 9:53am

mollser · 16-01-2019 9:56am

Funny, we were in Austria over New Years and had the pop stations on the radio a lot. They don't cut anything out, and its gas the amount of bad language in most of the current hits of today that you otherwise wouldn't know about - particularly notable was Ellie Goulding's new song and even Dean Lewis' Its Alright is cut! There were a good few others but can't remember them.

quickbeam · 16-01-2019 10:06am

Yes. The radio version never used the f-word in the over 30 years since the song has been released.

It's not unusual for album and radio versions to be different. Eg: The Beautiful South's version of Don't Marry Her.

Destroying A Whole Generation Of Music

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