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Dara Murphy TD gorging at the trough?

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  • #152
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Ah now...it's highly probable that someone fobbed in for him when he was on the M50 on the way to Dublin airport from Cork. He hardly went into Leinster House on Monday mornings to admire the artwork.

    I'd hazard a guess that he wasn't the only one! Hence I suspect that there's no real desire in quite a few TD's offices for a thorough investigation to be commenced.

    The only TDs clamouring for it are the ones with a clear conscience!


  • #153
    mikeym
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,985 ✭✭✭mikeym


    Once these people get elected to the Dail, they hop onboard the gravy train and dont give a flying F*** about the people that voted for them.

    Td's are grossly overpaid.


  • #154
    expectationlost
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,994 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Dara Murphy sues Irish Mail over ‘double jobbing’ claim https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/dara-murphy-sues-irish-mail-over-double-jobbing-claim-hllktlq75

    don't have copy of article to see how exactly the worded it.


  • #155
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    I am starting to wonder what TDs actually achieve in between elections. Most of them don't seem to do much of anything.


  • #156
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I am starting to wonder what TDs actually achieve in between elections. Most of them don't seem to do much of anything.

    Make up the numbers at funerals.


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  • #157
    Yurt2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,381 ✭✭✭Yurt2


    The protocols around this badly need to change. If Noonan Kenny are grazing in the back field while picking up a TDs salary, the aught to be forced to resign from their seats.


  • #158
    nc6000
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,345 ✭✭✭nc6000


    I can't wait for the election and the knock on the door from the FG canvassers.

    Fair question would be if I vote for a FG candidate and they get elected how do I know they'll turn up in the Dáil other than to check in so they maximise the cash they get?


  • #159
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    nc6000 wrote: »
    I can't wait for the election and the knock on the door from the FG canvassers.

    Fair question would be if I vote for a FG candidate and they get elected how do I know they'll turn up in the Dáil other than to check in so they maximise the cash they get?

    Canvassers of all parties should be asked this.


  • #160
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Canvassers of all parties should be asked this.

    Who else from what other party/independent was taking the proverbial like Dara double job Murphy may I ask?


  • #161
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,393 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Who else from what other party/independent was taking the proverbial like Dara double job Murphy may I ask?


    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/members/registerOfMembersInterests/dail/2019/2019-02-13_register-of-members-interests-dail-eireann_en.pdf


    Have a look at the Register of Members Interests and you will see that quite a few of them have other jobs, quite a few more have company directorships.

    I am not sure how much you can trust it for a full account of interests though. Mick Wallace is listed as having zero interests, yet we have heard in court recently about the properties he still owns. I am sure there are others who have less than a full declaration.


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  • #162
    [Deleted User]
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    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Who else from what other party/independent was taking the proverbial like Dara double job Murphy may I ask?

    Any one who had someone else vote while they, themselves were elsewhere. https://www.newstalk.com/news/almost-half-tds-surveyed-newstalk-admit-voting-behalf-another-td-916919


  • #163
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Any one who had someone else vote while they, themselves were elsewhere. https://www.newstalk.com/news/almost-half-tds-surveyed-newstalk-admit-voting-behalf-another-td-916919

    Also reprehensible but not the same as the question posed tbh.


  • #164
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    blanch152 wrote: »
    https://data.oireachtas.ie/ie/oireachtas/members/registerOfMembersInterests/dail/2019/2019-02-13_register-of-members-interests-dail-eireann_en.pdf


    Have a look at the Register of Members Interests and you will see that quite a few of them have other jobs, quite a few more have company directorships.

    I am not sure how much you can trust it for a full account of interests though. Mick Wallace is listed as having zero interests, yet we have heard in court recently about the properties he still owns. I am sure there are others who have less than a full declaration.



    I never asked who had other jobs/directorships, I asked who else was taking the proverbial (that's a polite way of saying ripping the piss)
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Any one who had someone else vote while they, themselves were elsewhere. https://www.newstalk.com/news/almost-half-tds-surveyed-newstalk-admit-voting-behalf-another-td-916919

    You're answering a question that was never asked, and besides we have all agreed that the in/out of the chamber is irrelevant, but carry-on with the deflection attempt anyway, I expected little else.


  • #165
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,393 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    I never asked who had other jobs/directorships, I asked who else was taking the proverbial (that's a polite way of saying ripping the piss)



    You're answering a question that was never asked, and besides we have all agreed that the in/out of the chamber is irrelevant, but carry-on with the deflection attempt anyway, I expected little else.

    Quite a few actually when you read the list.

    Even though they have stopped Oireachtas members from claiming Oireachtas pensions, there is one TD claiming a pension from the Northern Assembly, another claiming a pension as a teacher, and a third claiming a private pension, all while still a TD. Cross-party by the way.

    There are the Healy-Raes with their numerous businesses, there is the FF hotelier in Glendalough, barristers all over the place, just have a read.

    What is left out is also interesting, most don't even list their own home. Of the party leaders, only Varadkar appears to be able to own his own home, neither Martin, McDonald, Howlin or Ryan list theirs.


  • #166
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Also reprehensible but not the same as the question posed tbh.

    Absolutely. But it DOES show that there are issues across the board and not just the hated FG.


  • #167
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Absolutely. But it DOES show that there are issues across the board and not just the hated FG.

    So what issue is similar to the behaviour of Dara Murphy?
    The people of his consistency had no TD respresenting them despite voting for him to do so in the Dail.


  • #168
    Plumbthedepths
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    If it came up on the doorstep it was a factor....

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fine-gaels-burke-optimistic-about-chances-in-2020-general-election-967589.html


  • #169
    Plumbthedepths
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    Just found this, so Murphy did have an impact on the bye election for FG's candidate according to the candidate himself.

    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/dara-murphy-controversy-had-impact-on-byelection-says-burke-968513.html


  • #170
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,393 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So what issue is similar to the behaviour of Dara Murphy?
    The people of his consistency had no TD respresenting them despite voting for him to do so in the Dail.

    That applies to anyone who lists another job on the Members' Interests.

    When Gerry Adams the author is off writing somewhere, who is looking after the people of his constituency? When Kevin Boxer Moran is managing his company, who is looking after the people of his constituency? And so on and so on.


  • #171
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    That applies to anyone who lists another job on the Members' Interests.

    When Gerry Adams the author is off writing somewhere, who is looking after the people of his constituency? When Kevin Boxer Moran is managing his company, who is looking after the people of his constituency? And so on and so on.

    Are you defending Dara Murphy? It sounds like you are. Are you suggesting the 1 in 4 TD's that are landlords should quit or is your argument 'ah sure loads are at it nothing to see here'?
    All the dishonest whataboutery in the world doesn't excuse what he did and the fact that FG allowed it.
    Murphy had two jobs not even in the same country.
    I know we frown on parish pump politics, but Murphy wasn't even in the country ffs.


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  • #172
    blanch152
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,393 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Are you defending Dara Murphy? It sounds like you are. Are you suggesting the 1 in 4 TD's that are landlords should quit or is your argument as sure loads are at it nothing to see here?
    All the dishonest whataboutery in the world doesn't excuse what he did and the fact that FG allowed it.
    Murphy had two jobs not even in the same country.
    I know we from on parish pump politics, but Murphy wasn't even in the country ffs.

    I am not excusing anyone, I am just suggesting that the baying mob apply the same rules to everyone.


  • #173
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    I am not excusing anyone, I am just suggesting that the baying mob apply the same rules to everyone.

    Who says it doesn't? And why are people calling out Murphy a 'baying mob'? Are you suggesting we keep quiet like good boys and girls? Sorry, no.
    You sell it like there's nothing to see here and call those critical a 'baying mob'. Is this the Green Party perspective? I think not.


  • #174
    charlie14
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    Matt Barrett wrote: »
    Who says it doesn't? And why are people calling out Murphy a 'baying mob'? Are you suggesting we keep quiet like good boys and girls? Sorry, no.
    You sell it like there's nothing to see here and call those critical a 'baying mob'. Is this the Green Party perspective? I think not.

    This whole Green Party persona is getting increasingly closer to " Hit me now with the child in my arms":rolleyes:


  • #175
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    charlie14 wrote: »
    This whole Green Party persona is getting increasingly closer to " Hit me now with the child in my arms":rolleyes:

    The Green thing is an irrelevance at this stage. We've all our own opinions out there. Well most of us.


  • #176
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    So what issue is similar to the behaviour of Dara Murphy?
    The people of his consistency had no TD respresenting them despite voting for him to do so in the Dail.

    Michael Martin missed a fair few days too, it seems. More than Dara Murphy.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/dara-murphy-leo-varadkar-4939556-Dec2019/

    “ Fianna Fáil Leader Micheál Martin today asked the Taosieach if would be willing to return the money that Fine Gael received to support Murphy in is work as a TD.

    In response, Leo Varadkar said:

    “I think an impression is being created that we was totally absent from the Dáil for two years – that of course isn’t true. In fact, he was present for more votes in this calendar year than deputy [Micheál] Martin was and the same number as deputy Martin was since the middle of July.””


  • #177
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Michael Martin missed a fair few days too, it seems. More than Dara Murphy.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/dara-murphy-leo-varadkar-4939556-Dec2019/

    “ Fianna Fáil Leader Micheál Martin today asked the Taosieach if would be willing to return the money that Fine Gael received to support Murphy in is work as a TD.

    In response, Leo Varadkar said:

    “I think an impression is being created that we was totally absent from the Dáil for two years – that of course isn’t true. In fact, he was present for more votes in this calendar year than deputy [Micheál] Martin was and the same number as deputy Martin was since the middle of July.””

    TBF, can we trust he was 'there' for votes? By FG logic he might have been on face-time from Brussels telling someone to do him a solid.
    The only people putting FF up as being worth anything are their supply and govern partners in Fine Gael.
    The back and forth is all pre-election show.


  • #178
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Matt Barrett wrote: »

    TBF, can we trust he was 'there' for votes? By FG logic he might have been on face-time from Brussels telling someone to do him a solid.

    Surely you meant "by Matt Barret logic"?

    Because, by and large FG and FF both exist in the real world, rather than on Planet Matt - to paraphrase John Gormless.


  • #179
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    171170 wrote: »
    Surely you meant "by Matt Barret logic"?

    Because, by and large FG and FF both exist in the real world, rather than on Planet Matt - to paraphrase John Gormless.

    I'd assumed you'd heard about the folk voting for each other. It was in all the papers.
    Now you go on outside and play the ball not the man.


  • #180
    Plumbthedepths
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    That applies to anyone who lists another job on the Members' Interests.

    When Gerry Adams the author is off writing somewhere, who is looking after the people of his constituency? When Kevin Boxer Moran is managing his company, who is looking after the people of his constituency? And so on and so on.

    Your usual deflection and nonsense. What about...what about.


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  • #181
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Michael Martin missed a fair few days too, it seems. More than Dara Murphy.

    https://www.thejournal.ie/dara-murphy-leo-varadkar-4939556-Dec2019/

    “ Fianna Fáil Leader Micheál Martin today asked the Taosieach if would be willing to return the money that Fine Gael received to support Murphy in is work as a TD.

    In response, Leo Varadkar said:

    “I think an impression is being created that we was totally absent from the Dáil for two years – that of course isn’t true. In fact, he was present for more votes in this calendar year than deputy [Micheál] Martin was and the same number as deputy Martin was since the middle of July.””

    Again can you answer the question asked?


  • #182
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Again can you answer the question asked?

    So, it’s being pointed out that more than one TD hasn’t been pulling their weight. Isn’t that what this thread is about? Or are We to just stick to cutting FG TDs?


  • #183
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    So, it’s being pointed out that more than one TD hasn’t been pulling their weight. Isn’t that what this thread is about? Or are We to just stick to cutting FG TDs?
    The thread is about Dara Murphy not fulfilling his electoral mandate.


  • #184
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The thread is about Dara Murphy not fulfilling his electoral mandate.

    Indeed, it is. Just in the interest of fairness and balance, I’ve pointed out that he’s not alone in playing the system.


  • #185
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    The thread is about Dara Murphy not fulfilling his electoral mandate.

    Also his double jobbing and claiming expenses. Now we've Varadkar pretending he's not impressed, like he only found out with the rest of us.
    Deleted User wrote: »
    Indeed, it is. Just in the interest of fairness and balance, I’ve pointed out that he’s not alone in playing the system.

    In the interest of balance you'd need speak on Murphy first and cite similar behaviour surely?


  • #186
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Indeed, it is. Just in the interest of fairness and balance, I’ve pointed out that he’s not alone in playing the system.

    Really? So can you enlighten me as to which other TD went off to Europe for two years and failed to represent the people who voted for them, but still managed to draw a full Dail wage and full expenses? Just for balance. As an aside most of the days Murphy signed in for to qualify for expenses were non sitting days.


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  • #187
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Enda Kenny?


  • #188
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »

    As an aside most of the days Murphy signed in for to qualify for expenses were non sitting days.

    Yet he still managed to vote more often than the leader of the Fianna Fail - the man who is very likely to be the next Taoiseach - something about which you aren't in the least concerned.

    Are you mentally challenged or merely a complete hypocrite?


  • #189
    McMurphy
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    171170 wrote: »
    Yet he still managed to vote more often than the leader of the Fianna Fail - the man who is very likely to be the next Taoiseach - something about which you aren't in the least concerned.

    Are you mentally challenged or merely a complete hypocrite?

    He did:confused:


  • #190
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Really? So can you enlighten me as to which other TD went off to Europe for two years and failed to represent the people who voted for them, but still managed to draw a full Dail wage and full expenses? Just for balance. As an aside most of the days Murphy signed in for to qualify for expenses were non sitting days.

    A touch of the green eyed monster, eh? Did you vote for him, by any chance? There are rotten apples in every job. He’s gone now. You never know, he might just be the perfect person for the job.


  • #191
    charlie14
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    A touch of the green eyed monster, eh? Did you vote for him, by any chance? There are rotten apples in every job. He’s gone now. You never know, he might just be the perfect person for the job.

    He should have been gone two years ago when he told Varadkar he was taking the Euro gig.
    A gig according to Varadkar he didn`t sanction him to take.
    Didn`t stop him congratulating him on getting it though.

    Better to keep him hanging around sucking at the taxpayers teat and give him a shout should you need him in a no confidence vote than give a hoot about him representing his constituents Maryanne ?

    I really do not know which of Varadkar or Murphy was worse. A toss of a coin between either.


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  • #192
    Plumbthedepths
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    171170 wrote: »
    Yet he still managed to vote more often than the leader of the Fianna Fail - the man who is very likely to be the next Taoiseach - something about which you aren't in the least concerned.

    Are you mentally challenged or merely a complete hypocrite?
    Feel free to start a thread about FF if you want comments about that party. To the best of my knowledge though Martin was stil representing the people who voted for him or have you information to the contrary?


  • #193
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    A touch of the green eyed monster, eh? Did you vote for him, by any chance? There are rotten apples in every job. He’s gone now. You never know, he might just be the perfect person for the job.

    You think I would be jealous of someonee claiming a wage for a position they are not fulfilling? Do you assume everyone has the same level as dishonesty as Murphy. I work in the private sector where behaviour like this would end in dismissal.


  • #194
    [Deleted User]
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    charlie14 wrote: »
    He should have been gone two years ago when he told Varadkar he was taking the Euro gig.
    A gig according to Varadkar he didn`t sanction him to take.
    Didn`t stop him congratulating him on getting it though.

    Better to keep him hanging around sucking at the taxpayers teat and give him a shout should you need him in a no confidence vote than give a hoot about him representing his constituents Maryanne ?

    I really do not know which of Varadkar or Murphy was worse. A toss of a coin between either.

    All TDs have a team behind them. His constituents weren’t abandoned.

    I know that I’m giving my age away here, but back in the day, there was a sitcom called “Yes, Minister”, followed by “Yes, Prime Minister”. It showed a side of political life that just might possibly ring true. No ministers or indeed the Prime Minister had any say in the running of either their department or country! Their civil servants did.


  • #195
    Plumbthedepths
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    171170 wrote: »

    Are you mentally challenged

    What a pathetic attack to make. If you have an issue with my comments deal with them, leave out the personal stuff.


  • #196
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    171170 wrote: »
    I sometimes wonder when a member of the media will google Fianna Fail's Justice Spokesman - big Jimbo O'Callaghan SC - see how often he was appearing in the High Court while the Dáil was in session and then check whether he claimed Dail attendance money for such days.

    Oddly enough, while affecting to be shocked and appalled by his fellow Corkonian's misconduct, Meehawl Martin hasn't ever said a word about his Party's learned Justice Spokesman's double jobbing! So perhaps there's nothing to worry about!


    Not only is Jim O'Callaghan double jobbing as a barrister (and a very busy one at that) he even attacked the principle of parliamentary privilege when he represented Denis o'Brien in a High Court case against the Dail. It was over Catherine Murphy revealing O'Briens dodgy dealings with Siteserve under privledge in the Dail. O'Callaghan definitely has two mouths to speak out of, he enjoys the benefit of Dail privledge in Kildare Street and then he goes up to the Four Courts to argue against it.


  • #197
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    All TDs have a team behind them. His constituents weren’t abandoned.

    I know that I’m giving my age away here, but back in the day, there was a sitcom called “Yes, Minister”, followed by “Yes, Prime Minister”. It showed a side of political life that just might possibly ring true. No ministers or indeed the Prime Minister had any say in the running of either their department or country! Their civil servants did.

    Senator Burke (FG) who campaigned in the bye election in Cork believes Murphy's lack of representation had an affect on his vote. I linked the Examiner article earlier.


  • #198
    [Deleted User]
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Senator Burke (FG) who campaigned in the bye election in Cork believes Murphy's lack of representation had an affect on his vote. I linked the Examiner article earlier.

    Sour grapes on his part.


  • #199
    Plumbthedepths
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Sour grapes on his part.

    It was an issue on the doorsteps according to the Senator, are you suggesting he's a liar?


  • #200
    171170
    Closed Accounts Posts: 321 ✭✭171170


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Feel free to start a thread about FF if you want comments about that party. To the best of my knowledge though Martin was stil representing the people who voted for him or have you information to the contrary?

    Define "representing the people who voted for him" - feel free to use crayons if required.


  • #201
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,585 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Feel free to start a thread about FF if you want comments about that party. To the best of my knowledge though Martin was stil representing the people who voted for him or have you information to the contrary?

    In the one FF here thread the usual posters started blaming FG and dragging it to their level.

    It’s not worth starring a thread for the same to happen by the usual posters.


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