Weekends boxing 02/11 Taylor v Linardatou, Canelo vs Kovalev

Morrison J · 03-11-2019 6:35am

3-1 Kovalev

03-11-2019 6:37am

These DAZN commentators are a farce, blowing their load whenever Canelo takes a step forward. Kovalev well in control. Admittedly he's gonna need to send Canelo to the pathologist for a post-mortem to get the win here.

jobless · 03-11-2019 6:42am

I have it 4 2 to kovalev after 6

simongurnick · 03-11-2019 6:49am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

These DAZN commentators are a farce, blowing their load whenever Canelo takes a step forward. Kovalev well in control. Admittedly he's gonna need to send Canelo to the pathologist for a post-mortem to get the win here.

Sergey needs to finish him. Dazn has a lot of money behind canelo. Wouldnt rely on the cards

Morrison J · 03-11-2019 6:51am

5-3 Kovalev

jobless · 03-11-2019 6:55am

I think we all know what happens if it goes to cards

jobless · 03-11-2019 6:56am

I can see the ref deducting kovalev a point

joeguevara · 03-11-2019 7:04am

Wow

Margate · 03-11-2019 7:11am

Jesus christ canelo just sparked a light hw clean out

Morrison J · 03-11-2019 7:21am

Not shocked to be honest. Kovalev is fragile and even though I had him up, fought like a guy who knows he's fragile. Extremely safety first. Canelo won't be going near Beterbiev on that showing thats for sure.

Favourable cards to Canelo again too.

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Margate · 03-11-2019 8:19am

Morrison J wrote: »

Not shocked to be honest. Kovalev is fragile and even though I had him up, fought like a guy who knows he's fragile. Extremely safety first. Canelo won't be going near Beterbiev on that showing thats for sure.

Favourable cards to Canelo again too.

Absolute ****e, kovalev is still elite in his division and as for Beterbiev what other fighter is expected to move to weights up to fight the best in the division? Canelo is just that good

Morrison J · 03-11-2019 8:46am

Margate wrote: »

Absolute ****e, kovalev is still elite in his division and as for Beterbiev what other fighter is expected to move to weights up to fight the best in the division? Canelo is just that good

Kovalev wouldn't beat Bivol or Beterbiev and a fight against Gvozdyk would probably be 50/50 at best. He's definitely not elite in his division anymore if he's the 4th or 5th best fighter in it.

It's a great win for Canelo regardless given the weight class. Just saying if he bites off any more than what he did tonight he's getting beat.

Bobby Baccala · 03-11-2019 11:20am

That was looking like a draw to me before the stoppage tbh, Canelo was landing all the clean punches but Kova was pawing away at him all fight with his jab. Kovalev is after getting very boring to watch lately it's nothing but a jabfest.

normanoffside · 03-11-2019 11:36am

Kovalev is past it no doubt.
He used to be the Bully. Remember him against Pascal and Hopkins? He was always the dominator and he set the pace in fights.
Last night Canelo, a middleweight, bullied Kov.

I don’t like this respectful Kovalev at all, he used to be such a mean fighter and person. I think he knows he is very vulnerable now. The tank and the chin have gone.

Canelo caught him at the right time. The cards posted above show Canelo was never losing this fight.

Bobby Baccala · 03-11-2019 12:42pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Kovalev is past it no doubt.
He used to be the Bully. Remember him against Pascal and Hopkins? He was always the dominator and he set the pace in fights.
Last night Canelo, a middleweight, bullied Kov.

I don’t like this respectful Kovalev at all, he used to be such a mean fighter and person. I think he knows he is very vulnerable now. The tank and the chin have gone.

Canelo caught him at the right time. The cards posted above show Canelo was never losing this fight.

Dunno what fight you were watching but Canelo didn't bully Kovalev last night, there was a heap of close rounds and had that gone the distance it woulda been a split decision. Kovalev is over the hill but he was taking Canelo the distance until that flash knockout.

normanoffside · 03-11-2019 12:46pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Dunno what fight you were watching but Canelo didn't bully Kovalev last night, there was a heap of close rounds and had that gone the distance it woulda been a split decision. Kovalev is over the hill but he was taking Canelo the distance until that flash knockout.

Kovalev in the past would have just walked through him. He was ultra cautious and showing too much respect, wanting to touch gloves at the start of rounds etc.
He's not the Krusher any more.

I have Kov up going into the 11th but 2 Judges had Canelo 2 up and the other had it even so Canelo was going to win a UD no matter what our cards were.

walshb · 03-11-2019 12:51pm

Like I said, it wouldn’t be easy for Canelo.

Quite a tame fight overall.

I had SK 7-3 up after 10. Some close rds in that..

What we saw last night was an over the hill Kovalev. The Krusher was not to be seen. He fought timidly, and was pushed around most of the night by the smaller man. There was no spite/zip on SKs shots.

The Krusher from a few years ago would have put a beating on Canelo..

Nice ending from Canelo, but as much from SKs lack of real conditioning as it was from the shots..

walshb · 03-11-2019 1:08pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Dunno what fight you were watching but Canelo didn't bully Kovalev last night, there was a heap of close rounds and had that gone the distance it woulda been a split decision. Kovalev is over the hill but he was taking Canelo the distance until that flash knockout.

But it was weak weak looking Kovalev compared to his prime years...

Canelo’s team are smart. They watched a very vulnerable Kovalev 10 weeks ago clinging on for dear life..

nacho libre · 03-11-2019 5:02pm

Given his decline and the gruelling fight he had just 10 weeks ago it was an very unwise move for Kovalev to take the fight especially against a fighter as relentless as Canelo is. Kovalev to his credit actually lasted longer than i thought he would,but you could see the end coming from 9 onwards he was tiring badly

His lifestyle in between fights has sped up his decline. At 37 you can't be in top physical shape living like he does

walshb · 03-11-2019 5:08pm

Canelo was far from relentless...

Quite methodical and pedestrian. Not like he put a consistent beating on Kovalev. Yes, he walked him down, but wasn’t really landing all that much..

magma69 · 03-11-2019 6:43pm

Bobby Baccala wrote: »

Dunno what fight you were watching but Canelo didn't bully Kovalev last night, there was a heap of close rounds and had that gone the distance it woulda been a split decision. Kovalev is over the hill but he was taking Canelo the distance until that flash knockout.

It makes no sense to say a fighter was taking the fight the distance until they were knocked out.

walshb · 03-11-2019 7:07pm

magma69 wrote: »

It makes no sense to say a fighter was taking the fight the distance until they were knocked out.

But it’s true...

It was likely going to the cards had SK not got knocked out...

Yes, but he did get knocked out. We get this.

I think the poster was making the point that Canelo was far from superior right up till the KO; this is true. I had him losing.

Quite unimpressed with both men last night I was..

nacho libre · 03-11-2019 8:34pm

walshb wrote: »

Canelo was far from relentless...

Quite methodical and pedestrian. Not like he put a consistent beating on Kovalev. Yes, he walked him down, but wasn’t really landing all that much..

He was not landing much, but his pressure was enough to tire out Kovalev
It demonstrates that you don't really need to be landing to be effective against a fighter who is on the wane. Canelo timed this fight well, a peak Kovalev would have beaten him

walshb · 03-11-2019 8:36pm

nacho libre wrote: »

He was not landing much, but his pressure was enough to tire out Kovalev
It demonstrates that you don't really need to be landing to be effective against a fighter who is on the wane. Canelo timed this fight well, a peak Kovalev would have beaten him

I see what you mean. And thought as much, but even his pressure, it was a bit pedestrian really. Far from say a Lomachenko type pressure..

mjon3105 · 04-11-2019 2:53pm

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Agree 100%. Couldnt hear sound very well but i think i heard harper say taylor was the reason she was there tonight, as in being a pro boxer. If i got that right, its a nice compliment. They all owe her because she is creating interest and opportunity for the sport in general if they can keep it going.

Serrano, persoon, braekhurst is a formidable lineup. Will take something to go unbeaten I think.

Some good and interesting posts inc those as usual by walshb. I was at the Manchester Arena on Saturday night, with a group of friends,mainly Irish from Dublin & Limerick and Taylor had a game plan set by Ross Enamait and stuck to that.

She won, of that there is little doubt and the after fight comments in Press Conference by the South American/Greek were truly awful. Not surprised that most of teh Matchroom team left. Her Manager Brian Cohen and Lindardthou herself called Taylor "a fake" and said that this was but a repeat of teh Persoon bout and that it was she and NOT KT that clearly won on everyone's cards but the judges! Luckily most of thepro-Irish crowd had left the arena by then! It was not a 'vintage' KT performance but next up will be Amanda Serrano in MSG on 7th March followed a few months later by a return with Persoon almost certaionly again in Manchester Arena.

Joe_ Public · 04-11-2019 4:03pm

mjon3105 wrote: »

Some good and interesting posts inc those as usual by walshb. I was at the Manchester Arena on Saturday night, with a group of friends,mainly Irish from Dublin & Limerick and Taylor had a game plan set by Ross Enamait and stuck to that.

She won, of that there is little doubt and the after fight comments in Press Conference by the South American/Greek were truly awful. Not surprised that most of teh Matchroom team left. Her Manager Brian Cohen and Lindardthou herself called Taylor "a fake" and said that this was but a repeat of teh Persoon bout and that it was she and NOT KT that clearly won on everyone's cards but the judges! Luckily most of thepro-Irish crowd had left the arena by then! It was not a 'vintage' KT performance but next up will be Amanda Serrano in MSG on 7th March followed a few months later by a return with Persoon almost certaionly again in Manchester Arena.

Wasnt much warmth shared between them at the end, linardatou didnt look a happy bunny at all so not surprised to hear that about the post fight press conference. Feck her anyway. If she's deluded enough to think she even came close to winning, that's entirely her problem. I'm fairly confident she was well rewarded for her troubles, thanks to Taylor, so a bit of respect and appreciation would have been nice, but won't lose much sleep over it either.

SHOVELLER · 04-11-2019 4:25pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Kovalev is past it no doubt.
He used to be the Bully. Remember him against Pascal and Hopkins? He was always the dominator and he set the pace in fights.
Last night Canelo, a middleweight, bullied Kov.

I don’t like this respectful Kovalev at all, he used to be such a mean fighter and person. I think he knows he is very vulnerable now. The tank and the chin have gone.

Canelo caught him at the right time. The cards posted above show Canelo was never losing this fight.

While I disagree about Kovalev being bullied in this fight everything else here is spot on.

I was at the Hopkins fight and he destroyed him. Physically bullied him and basically pummelled him and always credit due that Hopkins finished on his feet. Prime "bully" time and he set the pace and agenda as he was the feared monster. All gone now.

Saw a video of him meeting Canelo in a hotel recently and he was very deferential. Almost like he was glad the Mexican gave him a shot even though he was the Champion. And all the touching of gloves during the fight. Would have loved to have seen this clash 3 years ago.

Anyway Kovalev was awful in his last fight and McGirt is on record as saying he nearly pulled him. The deterioration since the Ward losses has been steep and not all due to father time. I was at the first Ward fight and thought he won it and honestly think he never recovered since losing his 0. Since then mentally he has not been the same what with changing his team and then last year smashing a woman's face in.

But credit where its due on saturday night in what was a very hard to score fight I had him ahead going into the 11th but then that monster left from Canelo looks like it has finished Krusher's career. However he used his jab to great effect and while never hurting Canelo like he used to hurt opponents his efforts were frustrating Canelo. McGirt had him well schooled with a disciplined game plan where he had a height and reach advantage and his conditioning looked to be better too which was impressive given how gassed he was in his last fight 10 weeks prior.

The fight started here at 1.18 am which was the latest I can ever remember and no surprise to hear both fighters had a nap beforehand! This was disgraceful though to make everyone wait for some UFC rubbish to finish.

Yes Canelo has some resume but there will always be question marks over his failed drug tests.

Didnt see Katie's fight live but watched it on youtube later and thought she was very smart this time as her opponent chased her around to not much effect. Dictating from the back foot shows her undoubted class and GOAT credentials. She simply was too slick and smart and the scorecards reflected that.

However the press conference after was staggering for its cowardice. Linardatou launched into a diatribe but only after Katie had left the room. Her American trainer showed a complete lack of knowledge whatsoever on how this sport plays out and is in the same ballbag category as Serrano's dad. Losers complain.

walshb · 04-11-2019 11:20pm

Just like Persoon, a real sore loser. Can’t stand it in sport...

normanoffside · 04-11-2019 11:28pm

SHOVELLER wrote: »

While I disagree about Kovalev being bullied in this fight everything else here is spot on.

Just by walking him down, Canelo was bullying him.
Kovalev was scrambling backwards, pawing out a jab (or at times just a straight arm), holding and generally running around to avoid him.
Canelo's mere presence scared Kovalev and eventually that tired him out.
That's bullying.

It was quite pathetic to watch from such a big man, especially one who used to bully guys his own size.

I agree with you that he is a shell of his former self and his confidence is shot.

squinn2912 · 04-11-2019 11:36pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Just by walking him down, Canelo was bullying him.
Kovalev was scrambling backwards, pawing out a jab (or at times just a straight arm), holding and generally running around to avoid him.
Canelo's mere presence scared Kovalev and eventually that tired him out.
That's bullying.

It was quite pathetic to watch from such a big man, especially one who used to bully guys his own size.

I agree with you that he is a shell of his former self and his confidence is shot.

It’s sad to see such a fearsome operator turn so apologetic. He's well softened up now and I think that should be that. Canelo deserves credit for what he did but is anyone surprised he won?

walshb · 05-11-2019 3:27pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

It’s sad to see such a fearsome operator turn so apologetic. He's well softened up now and I think that should be that. Canelo deserves credit for what he did but is anyone surprised he won?

I am not surprised he won, but I am a little surprised at how scared and timid Kovalev fight....he was tip tapping the whole night,. Very odd showing...

Lot of talk of a con on! Not at all far fetched IMO.

squinn2912 · 05-11-2019 4:22pm

walshb wrote: »

I am not surprised he won, but I am a little surprised at how scared and timid Kovalev fight....he was tip tapping the whole night,. Very odd showing...

Lot of talk of a con on! Not at all far fetched IMO.

Funny I considered putting that in my post but felt the backlash would be deafening! Doesn’t usually stop me! Good chance. He never looked at all interested in hurting Canelo.

walshb · 05-11-2019 4:42pm

squinn2912 wrote: »

Funny I considered putting that in my post but felt the backlash would be deafening! Doesn’t usually stop me! Good chance. He never looked at all interested in hurting Canelo.

Don't mind the backlash from some of these blow ins....and regulars!:P

Need a bit more robust debate and saying it as it is....respectfully, of course!

normanoffside · 05-11-2019 5:27pm

The knockout looked legit enough but I have to say the scorecards looked like the fix was on in any case.

One of the judges gave Canelo the first 2 rounds and had him 6-1 up after 7.

walshb · 05-11-2019 6:07pm

normanoffside wrote: »

The knockout looked legit enough but I have to say the scorecards looked like the fix was on in any case.

One of the judges gave Canelo the first 2 rounds and had him 6-1 up after 7.

Hmmm

I need to watch the first shot that caused Kovalev to be so disoriented; the left hook that barely connected, right before the right hand finish....

Anyway, the con is more to do with Kovalev's very timid display from first bell to KO...

And what was with the jab jab and then huddling up close to Canelo to swarm him? Looked odd.

normanoffside · 05-11-2019 6:23pm

walshb wrote: »

Hmmm

I need to watch the first shot that caused Kovalev to be so disoriented; the left hook that barely connected, right before the right hand finish....

Anyway, the con is more to do with Kovalev's very timid display from first bell to KO...

And what was with the jab jab and then huddling up close to Canelo to swarm him? Looked odd.

He’d already badly stumbled before the finishing blows. The commentators didn’t pick it up but Canelo was going in for the kill in the final attack.

I think Kov knew all night that a good dig was gonna hurt him hence is avoidance tactics.

The Yarde fight would have told him his resistance is shot.

Morrison J · 05-11-2019 9:13pm

Kovalev's left leg goes after the first right hand then Canelo takes him out with two more perfect shots. Zero chance that KO is anything but completely legit.

Kovalev fought like the fragile fighter he has become. Don't get the people screaming fix at all.

https://twitter.com/BoxingNewsED/status/1191445837613801472?s=20

walshb · 05-11-2019 9:29pm

Yes, but even by his own deteriorating fragile standards, this was at a new level.

Even the Yarde fight he was far better in terms of actual spite on his punches.

Just a very odd timid display from him...

Ridiculously unimpressive....

And here is the thing....he was actually still winning the fight....wtf does that say for Canelo...

normanoffside · 05-11-2019 9:35pm

walshb wrote: »

And here is the thing....he was actually still winning the fight....

He wasn't (on the official cards)

walshb · 05-11-2019 9:40pm

normanoffside wrote: »

He wasn't (on the official cards)

Yes. True. I meant on my card, and on a lot of other cards...

Morrison J · 05-11-2019 9:45pm

walshb wrote: »

Yes, but even by his own deteriorating fragile standards, this was at a new level.

Even the Yarde fight he was far better in terms of actual spite on his punches.

Just a very odd timid display from him...

Ridiculously unimpressive....

And here is the thing....he was actually still winning the fight....wtf does that say for Canelo...

Thought the gameplan was actually quite smart. You can't walk right up to Canelo and give up your advantages which is what a counter puncher like Canelo wants. Kovalev made it tricky for Canelo to land the shots he wanted to, just didn't have the gas in the end to fully execute. If Kovalev had gone steaming in on the offensive from the start he'd have been taken out much earlier imo.

walshb · 05-11-2019 9:48pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Thought the gameplan was actually quite smart. You can't walk right up to Canelo and give up your advantages which is what a counter puncher like Canelo wants. Kovalev made it tricky for Canelo to land the shots he wanted to, just didn't have the gas in the end to fully execute. If Kovalev had gone steaming in on the offensive from the start he'd have been taken out much earlier imo.

But what about his shots seeming to be devoid of any power and zip...

Tip tap all night.....No need to steam in, just commit hard to the shots you throw..

Just so far removed from the prime Krusher...

Even considering him being past it, why such tame and weak offensive commitment...maybe I am being too harsh, but that is what it looked like to me..

squinn2912 · 05-11-2019 9:48pm

walshb wrote: »

Don't mind the backlash from some of these blow ins....and regulars!:P

Need a bit more robust debate and saying it as it is....respectfully, of course!

Haha you’re dead right! I’m not normally too backward

Morrison J · 05-11-2019 9:52pm

walshb wrote: »

But what about his shots seeming to be devoid of any power and zip...

Tip tap all night.....

Just so far removed from the prime Krusher...

Even considering him being past it, why such tame and weak offensive commitment...maybe I am being too harsh, but that is what it looked like to me..

Would assume he was boxing to instructions from McGirt. Probably a mix of trying to retain as much energy as possible for the latter rounds, and not wanting to overextend himself so Canelo can counter.

Prime Kovalev wouldn't have dreamed of fighting that way I agree but he's changed since then. Has definitely lost some speed and lost his ability to take a shot. Not ideal going into a fight with the best counter puncher in the sport.

squinn2912 · 05-11-2019 9:55pm

Kov is absolutely shot and it was obvious after the Yarde fight. Right away he called Yarde the future of the division (not himself) and had the cap out for Canelo. He was so thankful all along. Pathetic. He should have been telling Canelo he was going to show him what LHW power is.

megadodge · 06-11-2019 2:47pm

Morrison J wrote: »

Thought the gameplan was actually quite smart. You can't walk right up to Canelo and give up your advantages which is what a counter puncher like Canelo wants. Kovalev made it tricky for Canelo to land the shots he wanted to, just didn't have the gas in the end to fully execute. If Kovalev had gone steaming in on the offensive from the start he'd have been taken out much earlier imo.

Stop making sensible points, don't you know it kills 'robust debate'!

walshb · 06-11-2019 3:13pm

I don't think it at all sensible for Kovalev to tip tap all night against Canelo. Nobody said walk right up to him,. Kovalev is taller, bigger, rangier. He could have tried throwing spiteful shots from mid and longer range...

The tip tap shots he was throwing were hitting targets. His issue was that they had nothing on them...

Had I been his coach I would have been imploring him to start throwing shots with a lot more meat on them...at least to try and hurt his opponent. It is boxing, after all...and it's quite possible that he could have badly hurt, even knocked out Canelo......yes, Canelo has a good chin, but.

Kovalev, to me, and to many others seemed to be very content to just tip tap his way through the fight; fighting far too respectful of his opponent.

Is he really that shot, as regards how he delivers the tools of his art? You know the saying....the last thing to go is the power......well, when you aren't even trying to get torque on your shots, then you aren't really trying...

We all agree he is not the same fighter from years gone by, but Saturday night he seemed to fight at half power. I don't think him being past it fully explains this...

The only explanation is that he was petrified to commit too much......that or he deliberately decided to "hold" back.

Being past it in terms of overall speed, stamina, ability to take a shot etc is one thing. But where is the evidence that suddenly Kovalev's punches decided to become powder puff? Even V Yarde it looked like he had a deal more meat on his shots.

Anyway, to assess both: Canleo was far from impressive himself....

nacho libre · 09-11-2019 6:44pm

walshb wrote: »

The only explanation is that he was petrified to commit too much......that or he deliberately decided to "hold" back.

..

You only have to look back at his fights when he was in his prime to see this. Kovalev knows his punch resistance is shot, that is why he was afraid to engage at all. A peak Kovalev would have not feared being countered. He also would not have let a smaller man bully him.

Canelo and his team would not have been so eager to fight Kovalev at his peak, because Canelo, even though he has a good chin, would likely have been badly hurt or stopped.

Canelo is a good fighter, but not yet a great one in my opinion. Let's see if he can take on and beat a light-heavyweight in his prime

walshb · 09-11-2019 7:06pm

But he still could have committed power punches from mid to long range. He never did this...

squinn2912 · 09-11-2019 7:13pm

Canelo reminds me of mayweather he picks fighters when they’re on the decline but when their name is still respected. I think Smith takes him

Weekends boxing 02/11 Taylor v Linardatou, Canelo vs Kovalev

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