Weekends boxing 02/11 Taylor v Linardatou, Canelo vs Kovalev

normanoffside

Decent weekend of Boxing on 'normal' Sky Sports

walshb

From being a huge supporter and champion for Katie in the amateurs, I ave next to no real interest in her pro journey.......it's just boring.

Deiseboy01

I generally don't like women's boxing but she's been in a couple of decent scraps. I think the raw novice pro that fought Katie in York Hall showed how to beat her. Massive pressure and rough her up. Going up in weight even more so. She's no power to keep big fit physical women off her.

normanoffside

Surprised Katie weighed in at almost 140lbs, I'd say that's her natural 'walk around' weight..
Her opponent started at Featherweight so will be no bigger than her anyway.

Deiseboy01

Eddie was never going to risk his big name against a big super lightweight. Well matched

walshb

normanoffside wrote: »

Surprised Katie weighed in at almost 140lbs, I'd say that's her natural 'walk around' weight..
Her opponent started at Featherweight so will be no bigger than her anyway.

Why surprised?

The fight is at 140....she didn’t have to cut as much this time.

She walks around low to mid 140s....just training hard and not having to worry too much about diet...

normanoffside

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

Eddie was never going to risk his big name against a big super lightweight. Well matched

Things is none of the Super lightweights are big.


The other Belt holders (McCaskill and Bustos) are past KT victims who moved up.

normanoffside

walshb wrote: »

Why surprised?

The fight is at 140....she didn’t have to cut as much this time.

She walks around low to mid 140s....just training hard and not having to worry too much about diet...

For her first few pro fights (where there was no weight to make) she was coming in at 132.
I've mate Katie before and she is tiny, doesn't look 140+lbs.

But yes, not saying she is out of shape or anything, she looked her normal self on the scales.

walshb

normanoffside wrote: »

For her first few pro fights (where there was no weight to make) she was coming in at 132.
I've mate Katie before and she is tiny, doesn't look 140+lbs.

But yes, not saying she is out of shape or anything, she looked her normal self on the scales.

She is on record saying she walks around 142 or so...

She doesn’t just make 135 without effort...

Hence she was obviously going to be several lbs heavier than 135 lbs when fighting for a 140 lbs belt..

5 lbs is nothing, considering your weight without watching it can fluctuate 4-6 lbs in a day for an average sized person..

normanoffside

Canelo 174.5 with a six pack and his watch on.

Kovalev after stripping off is 1/4lb over, looked surpised to be overweight.

I heard read there is a 10lb re-hydration clause. Canelo is smart.

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Canelo 174.5 with a six pack and his watch on.

Kovalev after stripping off is 1/4lb over, looked surpised to be overweight.

I heard read there is a 10lb re-hydration clause. Canelo is smart.

Kovalev made weight a few minutes later. Can't have been a big problem.

squinn2912

normanoffside wrote: »

Canelo 174.5 with a six pack and his watch on.

Kovalev after stripping off is 1/4lb over, looked surpised to be overweight.

I heard read there is a 10lb re-hydration clause. Canelo is smart.

Rehydration could be key in this one. Set up

Big Ears

Deiseboy01 wrote: »

I generally don't like women's boxing but she's been in a couple of decent scraps. I think the raw novice pro that fought Katie in York Hall showed how to beat her. Massive pressure and rough her up. Going up in weight even more so. She's no power to keep big fit physical women off her.

Easier said than done for most.
McCaskill was probably better than credited.
Since the Taylor loss she's picked up 2 World titles at 140lbs and would be regarded as the #1 at the weight.

Persoon is able to do it, bit she's an exceptional fighter. There may not be another female fighter at 135-140 lbd who could do to Taylor what Persoon did......maybe Chantelle Cameron.

walshb

Persoon is horribly awkward and crude...

Her style may have caused Katie issues, because Katie has no power, and is not all that physically strong...

Barring this, she’s far from exceptional..

Joe_ Public

walshb wrote: »

Persoon is horribly awkward and crude...

Her style may have caused Katie issues, because Katie has no power, and is not all that physically strong...

Barring this, she’s far from exceptional..

Out of curiosity what standard do you measure against? No power, no strength relative to whom?

Big Ears

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Out of curiosity what standard do you measure against? No power, no strength relative to whom?

She's not without her flaws, but compared to the women in the divisions around her, exceptional is exactly how I'd define Delfine Persoon.
The fact she can make Super-Featherweight with her frame makes it even more impressive !

walshb

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Out of curiosity what standard do you measure against? No power, no strength relative to whom?

No real standard...the women’s scene is just not all that good...

Never said she had no strength...

From all I have ever seen from Katie inside a boxing ring, both pro and amateur, and looking at all her traits, her physical strength and her punch power score low for me.

Hey, may not be low enough for it to be exposed over 10 x 2 min rds...

Another area where she seems a little weak is cardio stamina. Fit, no doubt, but again, over 10 x 2...I think if rds were 12 x 3, Katie could really suffer.

Joe_ Public

Big Ears wrote: »

She's not without her flaws, but compared to the women in the divisions around her, exceptional is exactly how I'd define Delfine Persoon.
The fact she can make Super-Featherweight with her frame makes it even more impressive !

From following Taylor's fights the two stsnd outs to me have been persoon and Mira potkonen going back to the amateurs. The two hardest, toughest fights she had but, i mean, its not as if Taylor is all that far behind in terms of power or strength. At least to my mind anyway.

walshb

Joe_ Public wrote: »

From following Taylor's fights the two stsnd outs to me have been persoon and Mira potkonen going back to the amateurs. The two hardest, toughest fights she had but, i mean, its not as if Taylor is all that far behind in terms of power or strength. At least to my mind anyway.

Her toughest fight, and where her lack of stamina and strength showed was a fight v Queen Underwood in the semis of WCs back in 2010 I think was the year...

Don’t get me wrong, she’s fit, strong, fast and everything else; just physical strength, power and stamina are three low scoring areas that I see.

Joe_ Public

walshb wrote: »

Her toughest fight, and where her lack of stamina and strength showed was a fight v Queen Underwood in the semis of WCs back in 2010 I think was the year...

Don’t get me wrong, she’s fit, strong, fast and everything else; just physical strength, power and stamina are three low scoring areas that I see.

Which she won lets not forget...a war from opening bell to last. The hardest fight was potkonen in rio, we didnt give the winner enough credit at the time. I get what you are saying but this seems all relative to me. These fighters can give her problems with their style but i dont see them as being that more powerful or physically imposing than Taylor tbh.

walshb

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Which she won lets not forget...a war from opening bell to last. The hardest fight was potkonen in rio, we didnt give the winner enough credit at the time. I get what you are saying but this seems all relative to me. These fighters can give her problems with their style but i dont see them as being that more powerful or physically imposing than Taylor tbh.

I had Katie a winner in Rio...

It was her hardest fight in terms of difficulty to get the win. It was not near her hardest in the physical tough sense...

Joe_ Public

walshb wrote: »

I had Katie a winner in Rio...

It was her hardest fight in terms of difficulty to get the win. It was not near her hardest in the physical tough sense...

I didnt but thats by the by. I just think in hindsight we focused exclusively on taylor and didnt give potkonen enough credit. I dont necessarily think Taylor underperformed, she came up against an opponent ready to go up a level. I watched potkonen ko an experienced fighter at the world champs recently, shes as tough and strong as what's there imo. Surprised she only got bronze in the end admittedly!

walshb

squinn2912 wrote: »

Rehydration could be key in this one. Set up

Could be. Maybe the 10 lbs will suit SK instead of hindering him..

Sometimes a large weight gain post weigh in can “hurt” a fighter...

10 lbs of good, efficient and smart rehydration could be exactly what SK needs, as opposed to say, many more lbs just for the sake of it!

normanoffside

Bakole looking good 2 fights in a row now.

Panthro

Terri harpers opponent is a nutter

Big Ears

normanoffside wrote: »

Bakole looking good 2 fights in a row now.

I didn't see his fight tonight, but his recent form is showing two things for me.
1. He's definitely improving and while I don't expect him to challenge at the top he's a solid heavyweight fighter.
2. How good Michael Hunter is, a lovely boxer who's size will probably let him down against the Elite, but he can beat any sub elite guy out there.

normanoffside

Big Ears wrote: »

I didn't see his fight tonight, but his recent form is showing two things for me.
1. He's definitely improving and while I don't expect him to challenge at the top he's a solid heavyweight fighter.
2. How good Michael Hunter is, a lovely boxer who's size will probably let him down against the Elite, but he can beat any sub elite guy out there.

I think Bakole has more potential than that. I remember there was some issue coming into the Hunter fight. Was Hunter a last minute replaement?

Bakole is big and strong and can both box and bang. Has decent foorwork too.

Agree on Hunter but he lost to Usyk in the cruisers and Usyk is a much bigger man than Hunter. Hunter is an inch shorter and looks flabby at 215lbs.

megadodge

I'm a little surprised at the 'forgone conclusion' feel there seems to be about the Kovalev fight. I really feel this will be a close affair.

If nothing else the size difference is pretty serious. Canelo isn't exactly a big middleweight and Kovalev is a big unit at light-heavy. Kovalev's jab is still one of, if not the best in the whole of boxing and while Canelo is a good puncher I don't think he'll be hurting Kovalev with any singles. Canelo's ability to counter Kovalev's jab could be the winning or losing of the fight. Kovalev has a high output and hits very hard and Canelo can be sparing enough with the punch output...

I'm not saying Kovalev is definitely going to win (I've predicted Canelo in the other thread), but I'm surprised nobody seems to be giving him a chance.

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

I'm a little surprised at the 'forgone conclusion' feel there seems to be about the Kovalev fight. I really feel this will be a close affair.

If nothing else the size difference is pretty serious. Canelo isn't exactly a big middleweight and Kovalev is a big unit at light-heavy. Kovalev's jab is still one of, if not the best in the whole of boxing and while Canelo is a good puncher I don't think he'll be hurting Kovalev with any singles. Canelo's ability to counter Kovalev's jab could be the winning or losing of the fight. Kovalev has a high output and hits very hard and Canelo can be sparing enough with the punch output...

I'm not saying Kovalev is definitely going to win (I've predicted Canelo in the other thread), but I'm surprised nobody seems to be giving him a chance.

A close affair means that Canelo definitely wins on the cards or at worst gets a draw though. Thats why finding an avenue for Kovalev to win is so difficult. I think Canelo will win on the cards fair and square this time anyway.

megadodge

Morrison J wrote: »

A close affair means that Canelo definitely wins on the cards or at worst gets a draw though. Thats why finding an avenue for Kovalev to win is so difficult. I think Canelo will win on the cards fair and square this time anyway.

I'm talking about the way nobody seems to be giving Kovalev a real chance. I think he has one.

BDI

That Harper fight was great, will she be battering Taylor in a year or so, I’m wondering

megadodge

This middleweight fight between Cash and Cullen is a WAR!!

Cullen did really well to survive the first, but he seems to have warmed up well now.

walshb

Great War here!

sham69

Cash Cullen is a cracker...

PsychoPete

sham69 wrote: »

Cash Cullen is a cracker...

They are really going for it

Itssoeasy

walshb wrote: »

Great War here!

I'll be surprised if it lasts the 12 rounds as jack Cullen was lucky he got through the first round. There's no cagey stuff it's two boxers just going for it. Btw what time is katie Taylor's fight on ?

walshb

Itssoeasy wrote: »

I'll be surprised if it lasts the 12 rounds as jack Cullen was lucky he got through the first round. There's no cagey stuff it's two boxers just going for it. Btw what time is katie Taylor's fight on ?

Katie ring walk at or just after 22:00!

walshb

Cash getting little too close at times, and his punches are missing!

ctrl-alt-delete

Has Cullen got a "The North Face" tattoo

There is no way that this can go the 12 rounds.

PsychoPete

Cant see going 12 rounds especially with Cullen taking those big hits

walshb

Adam Smith is painful!

Morrison J

megadodge wrote: »

I'm talking about the way nobody seems to be giving Kovalev a real chance. I think he has one.

How though? You think he can KO Canelo or win 9/10 clear as day rounds on the cards? Those are literally his two avenues to victory.

Was watching more of Kovalev this morning and he's definitely boxed more on the back foot in his last two fights under McGirt. He's not going to walk right up and give up lots of his advantages which is what a counter puncher like Canelo obviously wants. I do think he can have his moments especially early and keep it close but keeping it close gives him zero chance of actually winning.

Big Ears

walshb wrote: »

Adam Smith is painful!

He's gone from Sky a long time, but I still miss Ian Darke.

walshb

Big Ears wrote: »

He's gone from Sky a long time, but I still miss Ian Darke.

Agreed. Just far more genuine easy fluid commentary!

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

Katie ring walk at or just after 22:00!

Katie on next isn't she? Think Crolla is actually topping the bill

walshb

Crolla. Lovely bloke...his boxing style gives me the shivers.....

walshb

Morrison J wrote: »

Katie on next isn't she? Think Crolla is actually topping the bill

I think Katie headline..

Crolla before her...

ctrl-alt-delete

If ever a bell saved ssomeone

walshb

A really great fight this...

Clean, hard, effective and exciting!

Morrison J

walshb wrote: »

I think Katie headline..

Crolla before her...

No Katie definitely next. Ready to go in her dressing room.

Arena would be empty if they put Katie on after Crolla.

walshb

Difference....power...

Cash’s power troubled Callum all night...

Callum’s didn’t trouble Cash near as much!