Nvidia RTX Discussion

K.O.Kiki · 03-09-2018 9:12pm

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

Not a single win for the 980ti, its close enough but faster is faster.

I suspect that 980 Ti wasn't overclocked.

Icyseanfitz · 03-09-2018 10:18pm

heres hoping the 2070 is close to the 1080ti in non ray tracing, i doubt it will be though

K.O.Kiki · 03-09-2018 10:33pm

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

heres hoping the 2070 is close to the 1080ti in non ray tracing, i doubt it will be though

Not a snowball's chance in hell, even with GDDR6 it doesn't beat the 1080 Ti in theoretical memory bandwidth.

http://www.hwcompare.com/36329/geforce-rtx-2070-vs-geforce-gtx-1080-ti/

I'd be surprised if the 2080 comes close, even.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 04-09-2018 8:17am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I suspect that 980 Ti wasn't overclocked.

I suspect the 1070ti was not overclocked either.

The 20 series cards are supposed to be built for overclocking (according to nvidia marketing), with higher quality components and cooling overhead, there is a chance that the 2070 oc may be within touching distance of the 1080ti....in as much as the 980ti is to the 1070ti.

Icyseanfitz · 04-09-2018 9:53am

I doubt they'll clock much higher than Pascal until 7nm is used tbh

K.O.Kiki · 04-09-2018 12:10pm

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

I suspect the 1070ti was not overclocked either.

The 20 series cards are supposed to be built for overclocking (according to nvidia marketing), with higher quality components and cooling overhead, there is a chance that the 2070 oc may be within touching distance of the 1080ti....in as much as the 980ti is to the 1070ti.

2070 has a 36% reduction in CUDA cores compared to 1080 Ti, no amount of overclocking will make that up.

Icyseanfitz · 04-09-2018 12:33pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

2070 has a 36% reduction in CUDA cores compared to 1080 Ti, no amount of overclocking will make that up.

what price are the 2070's starting at, €600? if so you'd be a nutter to buy one while 1080ti stocks are around

Venom · 04-09-2018 12:56pm

I wonder if the insane 20XX series pricing has something to do with the crazy amounts of 10XX series chips that are in abundance, due to the crypto mining market drying up!

04-09-2018 1:18pm

That's my bet as well. The 2080 is coming in a couple of hundred more expensive than the 1080ti and has less cuda cores. I'd be impressed if it has better performance tbh.

tuxy · 04-09-2018 2:10pm

I've heard that only vendors that buy up large quantities of 10xx chips will be able to get reasonable size orders of 20xx chips.
I guess Nvidia had to price things so it would be possible for them to shift all the chips they didn't really want to order.

Subcomandante Marcos · 04-09-2018 2:23pm

tuxy wrote: »

I've heard that only vendors that buy up large quantities of 10xx chips will be able to get reasonable size orders of 20xx chips.
I guess Nvidia had to price things so it would be possible for them to shift all the chips they didn't really want to order.

Nobody is ordering large quantities of 10 series chips, Nvidia are forcing them on their partners. It's not a voluntary thing at all.

06-09-2018 7:18pm

https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/09/05/nvidia-rtx-2080-heres-when-you-can-read-the-reviews/amp/

Apparently the 17th is when we can expect to see some worthwhile benchmarks for the 2080 and the 19th for the 2080 ti.

Blazer · 14-09-2018 9:55pm

interesting article from extremetech. Suggests very little reason to upgrade from the 10 series.

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/277001-new-nvidia-data-suggests-rtx-2080-only-modestly-faster-than-gtx-1080-ti

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 15-09-2018 6:55am

Blazer wrote: »

interesting article from extremetech. Suggests very little reason to upgrade from the 10 series.

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/277001-new-nvidia-data-suggests-rtx-2080-only-modestly-faster-than-gtx-1080-ti

funny how people read what they want into things

The article actually says we dont know anything yet and the data release by Nvidia is confusing.( some would say that Nvidia are being secretive on purpose in order to generate suspicion in the market and drive people to panic/rage buy overproduced pascal cards and clear stock...it seems to be working). We will know next week. It also doesnt matter if you want or dont want to upgrade to Turing...you cant get one, and they wont be available for the casual procrastinator for months and months.

Dcully · 15-09-2018 11:34am

The best video ive seen explaining the tech onboard and how it should benefit performance even non rtx stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=miE1nrkjmUA

TheValeyard · 15-09-2018 3:36pm

Anyone know the width and depth of the 2080ti compared to 1080ti. As in i take it, if a 1080ti fits in your motherboard, so will a 2080ti

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-09-2018 3:42pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

Anyone know the width and depth of the 2080ti compared to 1080ti. As in i take it, if a 1080ti fits in your motherboard, so will a 2080ti

The founders edition is a 2 slot card. Most of the custom ones I've seen so far are 2.5-2.75 slot cards so quite a bit thicker but they all have massive heatsinks and fans.

TheValeyard · 15-09-2018 4:35pm

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

The founders edition is a 2 slot card. Most of the custom ones I've seen so far are 2.5-2.75 slot cards so quite a bit thicker but they all have massive heatsinks and fans.

2 slots? Wow, thats a lot of space to take up!

Calibos · 15-09-2018 5:02pm

Murray TheDemonic TalkingSkull wrote: »

2 slots? Wow, thats a lot of space to take up!

Maybe for a Founders/OEM edition but not for an AIB Partner card.

My Palit Super Jetstream GTX1080 takes up 3 slots!

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Mr Crispy · 15-09-2018 6:13pm

Also make sure it will fit your case in general. Some of the Turings are pretty long/wide. Matron.

farna_boy · 15-09-2018 9:55pm

Just noticed that overclockers.co.uk are displaying a price of £569 for the RTX2070:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/nvidia/geforce-rtx-2070

I tried to buy it but I just get an error.

If it was 10-15% better than the GTX1080 I'd be tempted but I could see it being worse performance but just being marketed as being better because it supports ray tracing.

Hopefully im wrong tho cos I've been itching for an upgrade and if it does beat the 1080 at that price I'll probably bite.

K.O.Kiki · 16-09-2018 1:00am

2080 / 2080 Ti reportedly spotted in Final Fantasy XV benchmark tool

4K https://i.imgur.com/kiGtkX5.png
1440p https://i.imgur.com/5LJ9e0f.png

Venom · 16-09-2018 5:12pm

Luke from Linus Tech Tips on their latest Wan show podcast, claimed that having spoken to some game developers, adding RTX supported ray tracing to a game was insanely easy to do and very plug and play. Time will tell of course but if true it could mean a huge catalogue of games could benefit from this new tech very quickly.

Inquitus · 16-09-2018 5:52pm

Venom wrote: »

Luke from Linus Tech Tips on their latest Wan show podcast, claimed that having spoken to some game developers, adding RTX supported ray tracing to a game was insanely easy to do and very plug and play. Time will tell of course but if true it could mean a huge catalogue of games could benefit from this new tech very quickly.

They also noted how, for multiplayer, allowing RTX to benefit your gameplay would be unfair and as such unlikely to happen, so no using mirrors to look round corners, or car doors or w/e, so muchos dinero for better shadows, explosions and stuff. From what we have seen I think RTX is the future, but not this iteration, overhead seems too high for this generation, anyways time will tell.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 16-09-2018 6:17pm

Inquitus wrote: »

They also noted how, for multiplayer, allowing RTX to benefit your gameplay would be unfair and as such unlikely to happen, so no using mirrors to look round corners, or car doors or w/e, so muchos dinero for better shadows, explosions and stuff. From what we have seen I think RTX is the future, but not this iteration, overhead seems too high for this generation, anyways time will tell.

The same advantage could be said for a FOV slider and ultrawide monitors, or high refresh rate monitors....really this is all so speculative people are just picking the information that suits their opinion. Nvidia released the benchmark data for reviewers (so they can see if their own benchmarks are way off the mark or not)...doesnt seem Nvidia have much to worry about.

Inquitus · 16-09-2018 7:00pm

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

The same advantage could be said for a FOV slider and ultrawide monitors, or high refresh rate monitors....really this is all so speculative people are just picking the information that suits their opinion. Nvidia released the benchmark data for reviewers (so they can see if their own benchmarks are way off the mark or not)...doesnt seem Nvidia have much to worry about.

Well whether they sell a bunch of 1080 Ti's or a bunch of 20XX's its all good for them, have a feeling the value proposition may be in the 10XX space once the benchies come out.

Venom · 16-09-2018 11:28pm

Inquitus wrote: »

They also noted how, for multiplayer, allowing RTX to benefit your gameplay would be unfair and as such unlikely to happen, so no using mirrors to look round corners, or car doors or w/e, so muchos dinero for better shadows, explosions and stuff. From what we have seen I think RTX is the future, but not this iteration, overhead seems too high for this generation, anyways time will tell.

I got the impression they were referring to players turning RTX off so as not to be disadvantaged in multiplayer more so than developers not allowing it to work. When you look at most competitive online games you will always see players turning off the graphical bells and whistles to get an edge whether it's more FPS, less fauna or shadows an enemy can hide in, greater view distance or better FOV.

K.O.Kiki · 16-09-2018 11:56pm

Guess I'm saving up for a 2080 Ti / 3080 to be bought in 2019/20; a 100% performance increase on my 980 Ti + raytracing.

17-09-2018 8:41am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Guess I'm saving up for a 2080 Ti / 3080 to be bought in 2019/20; a 100% performance increase on my 980 Ti + raytracing.

Did we get benchmarks?

17-09-2018 8:51am

Wednesday.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 17-09-2018 9:05am

I would say a lot of pressure on reviewers atm to get them out on time. Seems they didnt have drivers on Friday so a lot of testing to do in a short period of time.......also most seem to have both 2080 and 2080ti so two cards to test.

17-09-2018 1:26pm

Ah well, I was hoping we'd be getting something for today (rumour had the NDA clearing the 2080 today and the 2080 ti on Wednesday).

It looks like the 2080 ti release date is pushed out a week as well.

This is pretty interesting as well. Nvidia's putting out an API that finds the feasible space for overclocks on their cards. Not convinced given how dodgy auto-overclocking has been in the past but if it works well, this'll be pretty handy.

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 19-09-2018 9:40am

Oh Nvidia....you tease......at least some reviews today.

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farna_boy · 19-09-2018 11:54am

Prices have gone up on overclockers again for pre-orders of the RTX2080.

They started at £715 on announcement, rose to £730 a week or two later and are now at £750

If the reviews are any way good I guess we can expect another price hike.

Subcomandante Marcos · 19-09-2018 11:57am

Expect another delay in delivery date. The 2070s will.be delayed even more. Won't have 60 or 50 models before new years.

Inquitus · 19-09-2018 12:40pm

What time is the embargo up today?

BArra · 19-09-2018 1:37pm

2pm I read

19-09-2018 2:01pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q6_rkmUD7LU

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 19-09-2018 2:22pm

Jayztwocents - 1080ti to 2080 reviews not good sub 10%, 1080ti to 2080ti good 30% but not a value proposition. RTX and DLSS to be seen, overclocking to be seen.

LTT - more positive raster review, no mention value, RTX missing in action

19-09-2018 2:22pm

The 2080Ti is a beast but way too expensive for your average gamer. 2080 only marginally faster than a 1080Ti.

19-09-2018 2:31pm

Ars Technica's review is up.

Pretty much meh on the 2080 and powerful but too expensive on the 2080 ti.

Venom · 19-09-2018 2:44pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The 2080Ti is a beast but way too expensive for your average gamer. 2080 only marginally faster than a 1080Ti.

L wrote: »

Ars Technica's review is up.

Pretty much meh on the 2080 and powerful but too expensive on the 2080 ti.

I've always felt that anyone with a 1080 Ti would be out of their mind upgrading to these new cards but even with that frame of mind, I honestly expected way more of an FPS boost than what seems to be the case with the 20XX series. It will be very interesting to see what the performance hit with ray-tracing on is going to be.

BArra · 19-09-2018 2:51pm

so the bottom line is a 2080 is slightly faster than a 1080ti, and the 2080ti is 30/40% faster but at a significant price point

I am in the market for a gpu so looks like I need to wait for a good deal on a 1080ti

btkm8unsl0w5r4 · 19-09-2018 2:54pm

If you have a 1080ti the 2080 was always going to be a lateral move, the 2080ti is a animal but you pay big time. Man maths is needed, however I personally could teach advanced man math in a university.

I am not really interesting in the performance hit with ray-tracing on, I am more interested in the look improvements.

hardware Cannucks data, big numbers all the same.

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19-09-2018 3:19pm

Genevieve Disgusting Self-improvement wrote: »

If you have a 1080ti the 2080 was always going to be a lateral move

The issue for me is it's a lateral move that costs €200. That's really not a good look.

Dcully · 19-09-2018 3:28pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDrpsv0QIR0

My eye was on the 2080 but not anymore, only 9% faster at best and in many cases it is beaten by the 1080ti.
Price : Performance not good for these rtx cards.

K.O.Kiki · 19-09-2018 3:33pm

BArra wrote: »

so the bottom line is a 2080 is slightly faster than a 1080ti, and the 2080ti is 30/40% faster but at a significant price point

I am in the market for a gpu so looks like I need to wait for a good deal on a 1080ti

You just missed the boat on EVGA's bundle sale which included an EVGA SuperNOVA 1300 G2 PSU for €770.

There's an Inno3D card for €676 on eBuyer https://www.ebuyer.com/807456-inno3d-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-x2-graphics-card-n108t-1sdn-q6mn

BArra · 19-09-2018 4:16pm

I did see the bundle deals with EVGA but I wanted to hold back until the 20xx benchmarks came out, it seems also that there were better deals when they just released the bundles, as they sold more and more the bundles shifted to 1200PSUs at a higher price point

Ideally, I would be looking at brands with decent warranty and secondly looks, have gone for a fairly black build

Would love an EVGA 1080TI hybrid FTW3, but amazon has been £844 for ages with no sign of dropping, and its been removed from EVGA's own website

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/duckpond/saved/By3xYJ

K.O.Kiki · 19-09-2018 4:36pm

BArra wrote: »

I did see the bundle deals with EVGA but I wanted to hold back until the 20xx benchmarks came out, it seems also that there were better deals when they just released the bundles, as they sold more and more the bundles shifted to 1200PSUs at a higher price point

Ideally, I would be looking at brands with decent warranty and secondly looks, have gone for a fairly black build

Would love an EVGA 1080TI hybrid FTW3, but amazon has been £844 for ages with no sign of dropping, and its been removed from EVGA's own website

https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/user/duckpond/saved/By3xYJ

Just roll your own with an Arctic or NZXT bracket; they're not hard to put on.
But do some research on whether the PCB you're buying is good first.

.G. · 19-09-2018 5:18pm

I've a 1080, was waiting to see the benchmarks. Can't stomach the ludicrous price of a 2080ti so I might just stick until next year or get a 1080ti for better 4k performance.

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