Corona virus and social protection

Dempo1 · 24-12-2020 11:33am

Steviesol wrote: »

Good Morning.

I work part time in hospitality industry. I have been on pup during the various lock downs. But stated on it the last few weeks as things reopened but it was quiet so no work for me.

But yestrrday my job paid me for a shift I was owed from the summer. Will this show up on revenue as me working and will I automatically come off pup and have to explain this to welfare?

Im confused as to what may happen.

Thanks

Morning, this might be an issue unfortunately, essentially if a PAYE employee, your not permitted to earn taxable income if on PUP. Don't be alarmed but you'll need to make contact with SW after Christmas and explain the payment. In essence, Revenue and SW cross check to insure Noone is claiming PUP and a wage at the same time.

This issue has come up a few times in various threads, it's a genuine mistake and indeed payment but employers not aware of consequences of paying say, outstanding wages, holiday pay etc. SW may suspend your payment so best to contact them. Keep details, payslip, lodgment etc as they might look for clarification.

Steviesol · 25-12-2020 12:06am

Dempo1 wrote: »

Morning, this might be an issue unfortunately, essentially if a PAYE employee, your not permitted to earn taxable income if on PUP. Don't be alarmed but you'll need to make contact with SW after Christmas and explain the payment. In essence, Revenue and SW cross check to insure Noone is claiming PUP and a wage at the same time.

This issue has come up a few times in various threads, it's a genuine mistake and indeed payment but employers not aware of consequences of paying say, outstanding wages, holiday pay etc. SW may suspend your payment so best to contact them. Keep details, payslip, lodgment etc as they might look for clarification.

Thanks for the info. Is there a way on my welfare.ie to see if I have been taken off PUP? Many thanks

Dempo1 · 25-12-2020 8:54am

Steviesol wrote: »

Thanks for the info. Is there a way on my welfare.ie to see if I have been taken off PUP? Many thanks

Mywelfare very slow to update but again, don't be alarmed, it's an easily explained issue. It's likely to take a few weeks for the issue to be flagged so this is why I advise making contact with SW next week, you could also email them but probably better to call and explain etc. Happy Christmas

Dempo1 · 07-01-2021 4:41pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

Been moved from the PUP to the Wage Subsity is a little tough as its different time period (no weekly pay) but hoping xs and os might give me a small amount per week

Do the social use 8 hour days ?

No, daily rate. Also what do you mean by your being moved from PUP? only you make that decision when your rehired, PUP as nothing to do with employer? I'm confused are you saying instead of being on PUP, your employer now availing of EWSS? If so have you checked you can actually still claim JSA albeit reduced hours,

Duff · 07-01-2021 6:27pm

Just got my first PUP payment this week after getting put out of work at Christmas. Has there been any mention of the method in which we have to repay the Covid payment once we're back working? I'm guessing we'll be heavily taxed? Can't really find an answer online. Cheers.

angela1711 · 07-01-2021 6:32pm

Duff wrote: »

Just got my first PUP payment this week after getting put out of work at Christmas. Has there been any mention of the method in which we have to repay the Covid payment once we're back working? I'm guessing we'll be heavily taxed? Can't really find an answer online. Cheers.

https://www.revenue.ie/en/life-events-and-personal-circumstances/pup-tax-liability/index.aspx

Dempo1 · 07-01-2021 6:32pm

Duff wrote: »

Just got my first PUP payment this week after getting put out of work at Christmas. Has there been any mention of the method in which we have to repay the Covid payment once we're back working? I'm guessing we'll be heavily taxed? Can't really find an answer online. Cheers.

There will be no repayment of PUP as such, it's an entitlement if you qualify, repayment only an issue if you claimed, got it and were not entitled to it or neglected to close claim on returning to
Work. , however it is taxable, announcements next week from revenue. Don't be alarmed however, particularly if only on it a short time, claimants will be given up to four years to clear any tax liability and offered various options.

Duff · 07-01-2021 7:33pm

Great. Thanks for the help, guys!

kilkenny34 · 10-01-2021 6:36pm

Hi I applied for Covid payment last Tuesday,how do I know if I have been accepted,cant find anything online.Do I get a letter out in the post?

PTH2009 · 10-01-2021 6:38pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Hi I applied for Covid payment last Tuesday,how do I know if I have been accepted,cant find anything online.Do I get a letter out in the post?

It should say 'approved' on your mywelfare account page

kilkenny34 · 10-01-2021 6:42pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

It should say 'approved' on your mywelfare account page

Thanks for the quick response.It just says it has been submitted I think.I am unable to verify my account as the mobile they have for me is from years ago and I couldnt contact them last Friday so maybe that's the problem.

Dempo1 · 10-01-2021 6:43pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Hi I applied for Covid payment last Tuesday,how do I know if I have been accepted,cant find anything online.Do I get a letter out in the post?

Bizarrely as it may seem, you won't get any notification if approved, your only contacted if there's an issue or more info required. No news is good news, I'd be confident payment will be issued, check bank on Tuesday. Re stating approved on mywelfare, No, it takes a number of weeks to show approved, the portal notoriously slow to update status, Good luck.

Dempo1 · 10-01-2021 6:48pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick response.It just says it has been submitted I think.I am unable to verify my account as the mobile they have for me is from years ago and I couldnt contact them last Friday so maybe that's the problem.

The verification could be an issue albeit you mention is says submitted. We're you not able to update mobile number before submitting? Also if you couldn't verify how we're you able to proceed with application? If you've submitted, I'm guessing you were able to get into your mywelfare? Confused now

kilkenny34 · 10-01-2021 6:48pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Bizarrely as it may seem, you won't get any notification if approved, your only contacted if there's an issue or more info required. No news is good news, I'd be confident payment will be issued, check bank on Tuesday. Re stating approved on mywelfare, No, it takes a number of weeks to show approved, the portal notoriously slow to update status, Good luck.

I dont recall giving Bank details,I have not been on SW in a while,I suppose my bank details are on the system anyway,thanks for the response.

kilkenny34 · 10-01-2021 6:50pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

The verification could be an issue albeit you mention is says submitted. We're you not able to update mobile number before submitting? Also if you couldn't verify how we're you able to proceed with application? If you've submitted, I'm guessing you were able to get into your mywelfare? Confused now

Well it was my first time logging on and it was a basic enough set up.I only saw the verify notification after,apps number and it says a code has been sent to my old number.

Dempo1 · 10-01-2021 6:51pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

I dont recall giving Bank details,I have not been on SW in a while,I suppose my bank details are on the system anyway,thanks for the response.

Yes your bank details are retained albeit you would have been asked to verify details they have (they hide some details)

Based on what your saying, it looks like you were in mywelfare, so the verification question does not appear to be an issue??

Dempo1 · 10-01-2021 6:55pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Well it was my first time logging on and it was a basic enough set up.I only saw the verify notification after,apps number and it says a code has been sent to my old number.

OK, I still think your OK, verification is mainly to gain access to mywelfare or mygovid so I think your fine as you were able to submit but I would as a matter of urgency get your mobile number updated, I don't have the number to hand but there is a dedicated number for issues specific to accessing these portals if you search you'll find it.

kilkenny34 · 10-01-2021 7:01pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

OK, I still think your OK, verification is mainly to gain access to mywelfare or mygovid so I think your fine as you were able to submit but I would as a matter of urgency get your mobile number updated, I don't have the number to hand but there is a dedicated number for issues specific to accessing these portals if you search you'll find it.

Cheers thanks a million.

Dempo1 · 10-01-2021 7:04pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Cheers thanks a million.

mystic · 10-01-2021 7:24pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Thanks for the quick response.It just says it has been submitted I think.I am unable to verify my account as the mobile they have for me is from years ago and I couldnt contact them last Friday so maybe that's the problem.

You'll never be able to verify your existing account without having access to the number you registered with. You can't add a new telephone number to an existing account. You have to set up a new account with a different email address and call the PSC section at 1890 927 999 if you have a PSC and they'll verify your account with the new number.

mystic · 10-01-2021 7:31pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

The verification could be an issue albeit you mention is says submitted. We're you not able to update mobile number before submitting? Also if you couldn't verify how we're you able to proceed with application? If you've submitted, I'm guessing you were able to get into your mywelfare? Confused now

A person doesn't need a verified account to apply for PUP. A basic account is enough.

Mobile number can't be changed unless the person has access to the original mobile number, logs in then changes it.

If there's no access to old number a new account has to be created using a new email address.

kilkenny34 · 11-01-2021 4:54pm

Hi just one more question.I went in today to the PO and got paid.Am I getting paid tomorrow as on the slip today it says pay period 01/01 -07/01.Not sure what way it goes and was thinking the pay I collected today was for last week.

Dempo1 · 11-01-2021 5:03pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

Hi just one more question.I went in today to the PO and got paid.Am I getting paid tomorrow as on the slip today it says pay period 01/01 -07/01.Not sure what way it goes and was thinking the pay I collected today was for last week.

This is very confusing, so your not being paid via bank then?

The payment you recieved today is correct and no, there's not a second payment tomorrow, the payment is made a week in arrears. Glad you got payment.

kilkenny34 · 11-01-2021 5:10pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

This is very confusing, so your not being paid via bank then?

The payment you recieved today is correct and no, there's not a second payment tomorrow, the payment is made a week in arrears. Glad you got payment.

Yes in local post office.A friend who has been on normal SW told me he is able to collect his Tuesday payment on a Monday so I just went in and it was there.Thanks for advice.

Weffer · 16-01-2021 6:06pm

Great question, I too am wondering, if on the Back to work Enterprise Allowance, and it’s due to reduce to 75%, can you be kept on 100% of payment in yr 2 instead?

edwardkiley · 19-01-2021 11:27am

Hi everyone. Hope your all well.

I was working part time on weekends(4/5 hours) which ended with the level 5 lockdown. I was not registered with revenue for this job though
as my wages were very small so I never registered it.
I applied for PUP when work stoped for me and I have gotten a few payments in. I was just wondering how the tax repayment thing is going to apply to me if I am not even registered with revenue for the job.

Dempo1 · 19-01-2021 11:36am

edwardkiley wrote: »

Hi everyone. Hope your all well.

I was working part time on weekends(4/5 hours) which ended with the level 5 lockdown. I was not registered with revenue for this job though
as my wages were very small so I never registered it.
I applied for PUP when work stoped for me and I have gotten a few payments in. I was just wondering how the tax repayment thing is going to apply to me if I am not even registered with revenue for the job.

Your automatically registered through your pps number which I assume you have, any payments made by your employer through a payroll system is notified to revenue.

Tax will apply to all PUP payments and without a pps number you wouldn't be receiving PUP.

There's no need to be alarmed, any tax owed can be paid over 4 years, I suspect you'll have very little and may even get a refund. You need to go to revenue.ie and check your statement of Liability, everyone is getting one as of last Friday.

edwardkiley · 19-01-2021 12:28pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Your automatically registered through your pps number which I assume you have, any payments made by your employer through a payroll system is notified to revenue.

Tax will apply to all PUP payments and without a pps number you wouldn't be receiving PUP.

There's no need to be alarmed, any tax owed can be paid over 4 years, I suspect you'll have very little and may even get a refund. You need to go to revenue.ie and check your statement of Liability, everyone is getting one as of last Friday.

went on to revenue.ie , nothing has been issued on my statement of liability.

I get paid directly into my bank account by the club. it never goes through a payroll. ye I was earning 70 euro a week on average so thats why the club never bothered registered me through the payroll. so not really sure how the tax thing is going to apply to me

Dempo1 · 19-01-2021 12:40pm

edwardkiley wrote: »

went on to revenue.ie , nothing has been issued on my statement of liability.

I get paid directly into my bank account by the club. it never goes through a payroll. ye I was earning 70 euro a week on average so thats why the club never bothered registered me through the payroll. so not really sure how the tax thing is going to apply to me

I remember our previous discussion

I understand what your saying re wages but aside from this, your PUP payments and any taxable income is recorded by revenue.

I'm assuming your in my account in revenue? If so look for review my taxes for 2017/2020, there should be a statement of Liability there saying available, click and review, it will list all income, tax free allowances etc for 2020, more importantly it will show underpayment (not so good) or over payment (good)

Just as an aside the site was all over the place some delays in SOL being issued.

You then need to confirm, go through the motions, if your due refund, make sure you bank details updated etc.

I'm not going to get into the entire process, just follow instructions

mark2912 · 20-01-2021 9:04pm

Just asking a quick question regarding PUP for a friend...

They worked in non-essential retail and finished up on the 2nd of January. They got their final wages on Friday 8th of January and applied for the PUP payment last Thursday (14th) and received their 300 for this week yesterday.

As it is two weeks since they received their final wages from their job, shouldn't their PUP claim have been backdated back to last weeks payment (12th)? As in they should've gotten 600 in total this week (300 for this week and 300 for last week)...

Thanks
Mark

Ogham · 20-01-2021 9:22pm

mark2912 wrote: »

Just asking a quick question regarding PUP for a friend...

They worked in non-essential retail and finished up on the 2nd of January. They got their final wages on Friday 8th of January and applied for the PUP payment last Thursday (14th) and received their 300 for this week yesterday.

As it is two weeks since they received their final wages from their job, shouldn't their PUP claim have been backdated back to last weeks payment (12th)? As in they should've gotten 600 in total this week (300 for this week and 300 for last week)...

Thanks
Mark

They should have applied sooner.
No one gets backdating in their first payment.
The first round of PUP claimants back in April didn't get backdating until December 2020.
They should get it eventually - but it could be a long wait.

Dempo1 · 20-01-2021 9:23pm

mark2912 wrote: »

Just asking a quick question regarding PUP for a friend...

They worked in non-essential retail and finished up on the 2nd of January. They got their final wages on Friday 8th of January and applied for the PUP payment last Thursday (14th) and received their 300 for this week yesterday.

As it is two weeks since they received their final wages from their job, shouldn't their PUP claim have been backdated back to last weeks payment (12th)? As in they should've gotten 600 in total this week (300 for this week and 300 for last week)...

Thanks
Mark

The payment is made a week in arrears, it's applicable from date of application rather than last date of wage payment. If there are arrears, these are dealt with seperatly and won't be paid for a while unfortunately. Arrears have been an issue from the outset unfortunately.

Spideoige · 23-01-2021 12:25pm

Hi folks, a quick one for anyone who has applied before. My dad has been placed on lay off for the first time due to the pandemic. He applied online and the application came up as 'awarded' and shortly after disappeared from his my welfare account and now there is no sign that he ever applied for this.

He also had been receiving a short-time work support payment which he closed before applying for the covid pandemic payment and it still clearly shows that this was closed successfully.

Thanks in advance
Spideoige

Dempo1 · 23-01-2021 12:53pm

Spideoige wrote: »

Hi folks, a quick one for anyone who has applied before. My dad has been placed on lay off for the first time due to the pandemic. He applied online and the application came up as 'awarded' and shortly after disappeared from his my welfare account and now there is no sign that he ever applied for this.

He also had been receiving a short-time work support payment which he closed before applying for the covid pandemic payment and it still clearly shows that this was closed successfully.

Thanks in advance
Spideoige

Morning, if it's your dad's first time applying, ignore the awarded bit, unfortunately the SW portal causes confusion, the awarded he might have seen would be to do with any current claims, perhaps the short term hours support. For example, if I was on pup last April, signed off and then went back a few months to apply again, the portal will show awarded, even before I start, this awarded reflects original date I was awarded PUP.

He's done tge right thing in closing the short hours claim before starting.

Now, with regards to new or additional PUP claims, there is NO notifications, in essence no news is good news, they will only contact him if additional info required or declined. If you look in the notifications area, there might (only might) be an acknowledgement of application.

You don't mention what day he applied, if an application is done before or on Wednesday of a given week, payment usually issued following TUESDAY, any later, it's likely it will be following week.

For peace of mind, I'd get him to call Monday, they are very helpfull and will confirm if he's applied correctly (avoid doing 2nd application as it may restart clock etc) until he's spoken to them.

Good luck in the mean time

Spideoige · 23-01-2021 1:08pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Morning, if it's your dad's first time applying, ignore the awarded bit, unfortunately the SW portal causes confusion, the awarded he might have seen would be to do with any current claims, perhaps the short term hours support. For example, if I was on pup last April, signed off and then went back a few months to apply again, the portal will show awarded, even before I start, this awarded reflects original date I was awarded PUP.

He's done tge right thing in closing the short hours claim before starting.

Now, with regards to new or additional PUP claims, there is NO notifications, in essence no news is good news, they will only contact him if additional info required or declined. If you look in the notifications area, there might (only might) be an acknowledgement of application.

You don't mention what day he applied, if an application is done before or on Wednesday of a given week, payment usually issued following TUESDAY, any later, it's likely it will be following week.

For peace of mind, I'd get him to call Monday, they are very helpfull and will confirm if he's applied correctly (avoid doing 2nd application as it may restart clock etc) until he's spoken to them.

Good luck in the mean time

Thank you very much, that clarifies a lot. He was worried that he did something wrong as he wouldn't typically use the online portal system and I'm not very familiar with it myself. I will advise him to call next week and see that everything is in order or if there is anything needed that it can be fixed.

Dempo1 · 23-01-2021 1:18pm

Spideoige wrote: »

Thank you very much, that clarifies a lot. He was worried that he did something wrong as he wouldn't typically use the online portal system and I'm not very familiar with it myself. I will advise him to call next week and see that everything is in order or if there is anything needed that it can be fixed.

I'm sure he'll be sorted, good luck to him

Itsaduck1 · 23-01-2021 4:50pm

Hi all

Been told to self isolate for 17 days as wife has tested positive

Does anyone know how you can recieve pandemic payment if you have no public services card

Online portal for payment says I can't verify my account without it

Dempo1 · 23-01-2021 4:55pm

Itsaduck1 wrote: »

Hi all

Been told to self isolate for 17 days as wife has tested positive

Does anyone know how you can recieve pandemic payment if you have no public services card

Online portal for payment says I can't verify my account without it

Hi, sorry to hear this, you do not require public service card. Your looking for enhanced illness benefit. You'll need a basic mywelfare account.

Very important you have proof of being requested to self isolate, a screen shot of text or communication stating you have to self isolate.

If you search enhanced illness benefit, the link will show up.

Basic mywelfare account requires email address and mobile number, good luck

Itsaduck1 · 23-01-2021 4:59pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

Hi, sorry to hear this, you do not require public service card. Your looking for enhanced illness benefit. You'll need a basic mywelfare account.

Very important you have proof of being requested to self isolate, a screen shot of text or communication stating you have to self isolate.

If you search enhanced illness benefit, the link will show up.

Basic mywelfare account requires email address and mobile number, good luck

Perfect thank you Dempo, found it there

Dempo1 · 23-01-2021 5:02pm

Itsaduck1 wrote: »

Perfect thank you Dempo, found it there

No problem

kilkenny34 · 25-01-2021 9:01pm

What hour of the day is the payment lodged to bank accounts does anyone know?

Dempo1 · 25-01-2021 9:09pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

What hour of the day is the payment lodged to bank accounts does anyone know?

Very much depends on your bank, some payments appear late Monday but mainly Tuesday

Curlysue76 · 25-01-2021 9:10pm

kilkenny34 wrote: »

What hour of the day is the payment lodged to bank accounts does anyone know?

It shows up at different times depending on your bank, my daughter is with UB, she usually gets payment around 10pm Monday night. I’m with Ptsb, lodgement usually 11.45pm -12am.

kilkenny34 · 25-01-2021 9:16pm

Thanks for the quick responses.I am with BOI so will check tomorrow morning.

corsav6 · 25-01-2021 10:44pm

I'm with Ulster Bank and it's showing in my account now.

danois · 31-01-2021 11:58pm

Hi all. Just wondering what the average turn around time is for enhanced covid illness benefit? I tested positive on 16 applied for payment on 17th and haven’t heard anything back. Originally I applied for 10 days as that’s what the text message said but ended up out of work for full 2 weeks. I was still coughing and the lady on HSE helpline said I need to be symptom free for 48hrs before it’s safe to return to work. Am I able to claim for the extra few days? If so do I need to contact my gp and see if he will give me a cert? My husband was also out with covid. He was worse than me and ended up in hospital he hasn’t heard anything back about his claim either. He sent screenshot of original text and the letter from GP to extend his time off when he got out of hospital. Is that all he needs to send? I thought we would have heard something by now. I’m wondering did I do something wrong.

Thank all.

Weffer · 03-02-2021 9:39pm

Hoping someone can help, am on BTWEA and due to start where 2 where I would have to reduce to 75% of payment, business is not earning enough for that and I'm hoping in light of the current situation I could be kept at 100% , I really don't know how to approach it.
I found this but not sure if it applies or who I would even speak to?
https://www.midl.ie/index.php/news/180-btwea-important-notice-from-the-deasp
Important notice from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection...
Back to Work Enterprise Allowance (BTWEA)

COVID-19
Revised payment arrangements with immediate effect

Where self-employed participants of BTWEA have to cease trading because of the impact of social distancing, they can continue to receive their BTWEA weekly payment from the Department of Employment Affairs and Social Protection. No further action is required from the customer where they wish to continue on the scheme.

Where a participant in year two of their claim presents with financial difficulty (in receipt of a reduced 75% rate of payment), an adjustment can be made to their weekly rate on ISTS to revert to the year one rate of their claim (i.e. increase to 100%).

Where a customer’s BTWEA ends following the 2 year period they can be advised to apply for the Covid-19 Pandemic Unemployment Payment and Jobseekers supports.

edwardkiley · 26-02-2021 8:01pm

Hi
I've been on the PUP
I just realised since this last lockdown I've been on the PUP,
I was not making prsi contribution in the last 4 weeks to my unemployment ending.
Was this always in the rules or a new rule?
So I guess I've been not entitled to it.
Does any one know what the consequences of this might be for me and what may happen?
Even though I had not made the prsi contributions, they still awarded me it when I made my application and they must of over looked it.
Could I get in big trouble here?

Dempo1 · 26-02-2021 8:07pm

edwardkiley wrote: »

Hi
I've been on the PUP
I just realised since this last lockdown I've been on the PUP,
I was not making prsi contribution in the last 4 weeks to my unemployment ending.
Was this always in the rules or a new rule?
So I guess I've been not entitled to it.
Does any one know what the consequences of this might be for me and what may happen?
Even though I had not made the prsi contributions, they still awarded me it when I made my application and they must of over looked it.
Could I get in big trouble here?

It is unfortunately true that they assess 4 weeks contributions prior to being awarded PUP a second/3rd time. My guess however is because of sudden level 5 lockdown after Christmas and high volumes reapplying, they might have relaxed the rules. I don't think you need to be concerned, they wouldn't have awarded you if there was an issue.

edwardkiley · 26-02-2021 8:23pm

Dempo1 wrote: »

It is unfortunately true that they assess 4 weeks contributions prior to being awarded PUP a second/3rd time. My guess however is because of sudden level 5 lockdown after Christmas and high volumes reapplying, they might have relaxed the rules. I don't think you need to be concerned, they wouldn't have awarded you if there was an issue.

Well I suppose I'm liable, but it's their vault aswell for awarding me it when they are supposed to check it.
I'm afraid a number of months down the line, perhaps start of next year they will say I was not allowed the PUP and I could be in legal trouble maybe? Or liable for lot of money

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