JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

The Nal · 22-09-2019 10:36pm

This looks interesting. In The Texas Theatre too. Nice touch.

The world premier of the documentary entitled "Truth is the Only Client: The Official Investigation of the Murder of John F. Kennedy

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-09-2019 12:04am

The Nal wrote: »

This looks interesting. In The Texas Theatre too. Nice touch.

The world premier of the documentary entitled "Truth is the Only Client: The Official Investigation of the Murder of John F. Kennedy

Hoping they record it for Youtube?

The Nal · 23-09-2019 9:21am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Hoping they record it for Youtube?

Assume they will yeah but the documentary looks interesting if they dont

The Nal · 27-09-2019 3:03pm

3D interactive model of Dealey Plaza

https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/jfk-22-nov-1963-6d7e22cb0968419482cfddc092c80e54

MonkieSocks · 03-10-2019 11:57pm

Don't forget the webcam from Book depository.

https://www.earthcam.com/usa/texas/dallas/dealeyplaza/?cam=dealeyplaza

In cooperation with The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza, EarthCam has placed a live HD streaming webcam in the southeast corner window of the sixth floor in the former Texas School Book Depository in Dallas.

This is the view from the window from which an assassin fired the shots that killed President John F. Kennedy and severely wounded Texas Governor John Connally as the presidential motorcade drove through Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963.

The Sixth Floor Museum, located on the sixth and seventh floors of the building, explores President Kennedy's life, death and legacy.

The Nal · 22-11-2019 1:18pm

56 years ago today. Still not a sausage of evidence for anyone other than Oswald.

King Mob · 22-11-2019 1:44pm

The Nal wrote: »

56 years ago today. Still not a sausage of evidence for anyone other than Oswald.

I'm sure the truth is due out any day now.
Or maybe the next youtube documentary repeating them same debunked points will finally do it....

The Nal · 22-11-2019 1:50pm

King Mob wrote: »

I'm sure the truth is due out any day now.
Or maybe the next youtube documentary repeating them same debunked points will finally do it....

It gets more quiet with every passing year. Not a whole lot going on this year. Usually some crank comes out with a new theory, or a book to sell, or an article to read, or a documentary.

Fairly silent 56 years later.

King Mob · 22-11-2019 1:52pm

The Nal wrote: »

It gets more quiet with every passing year. Not a whole lot going on this year. Usually some crank comes out with a new theory, or a book to sell, or an article to read, or a documentary.

Fairly silent 56 years later.

I think it's just been out done by it's younger, sexier more marketable brother in 9/11 theories.

The Nal · 23-07-2020 10:39am

Oliver Stone making a documentary about it. Should be interesting. Love Stones work, even if its a bit off the wall at times. Still going on about Jim Garrison.

Talk about it from 40 mins ish

Good article here.

One Hundred Errors of Fact and Judgment in Oliver Stone's JFK

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 1:01pm

The Nal wrote: »

Oliver Stone making a documentary about it. Should be interesting. Love Stones work, even

Good article here.

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He mentions here there is a lot of proof Oswald was a CIA agent. I think that's correct; you be moron to think he had no US intelligence. connections. Either way look forward to new JFK stuff to watch.

The Nal · 23-07-2020 1:08pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He mentions here there is a lot of proof Oswald was a CIA agent. I think that's correct; you be moron to think he had no US intelligence. connections. Either way look forward to new JFK stuff to watch.

Theres no proof. Not a shred of it. It all circumstantial/hearsay evidence unfortunately. Thats not proof. Interested to see if he comes up with anything new though.

Loved his Untold History of the United States series. Very talented film maker.

He gets a bit awkward with the Epstein stuff at the end mind you.

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 1:16pm

The Nal wrote: »

Theres no proof. Not a shred of it. It all circumstantial/hearsay evidence unfortunately. Thats not proof. Interested to see if he comes up with anything new though.

Loved his Untold History of the United States series. Very talented film maker.

He gets a bit awkward with the Epstein stuff at the end mind you.

James Wilcott, a CIA accountant, testified in front of the HSCA that Lee Harvey Oswald was an employee of the Central Intelligence agency. He said people in the agency even confirmed this finding for him. The CIA likely destroyed all records now of Oswald employment. Make sense since he was travelling to the Soviet Union and then allowed to return and even provided money on his return by the US state department.

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 1:52pm

Nal have you read this document? Interesting read. CIA acknowledges here if its authentic Oswald was emotionally unstable in Russia. The leaked memo
however acknowledges he was sent to Russia on behave of the CIA. Says Oswald training started in 1957 and he had further training at Camp Peary site in 1958 and then was send to the Soviet Union in 1959.
https://radaronline.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/lee-harvey-oswald-cia-memo-doc-bugged.pdf

CIA Director John McCone memo

At the time of the Dallas action, the Oswald subject was only seldom in our employ; after the Soviet
assignment, we found him to be unreliable and emotionally unstable. He was of little use to us after his
marriage and De Bruey, from what I understand, concurred in this. He was provided with a few
unimportant infiltration assignments and proved of little or no value. It is possible that Oswald, given his
instability, might have been involved in some operation involving Hoffa, as noted in SAIC Bertram's
report to your agency dated 1/3/64. Mr. Hoover advises that his agency is trying to determine whether
Hoffa might have been involved laterally or vertically with the Dallas assassination

Speculation within this agency and this is only speculation at this point -- is that Oswald subject
became unstable following surgery April 1, 1961, in the Minsk Hospital. He may have been chemically or
electronically "controlled"... a sleeper agent. Subject spent eleven days hospitalized for a "minor
ailment" which should have required no more than three days hospitalization at the most. Six days after
his release, he met Marina Prusakova. This agency is particularly interested in her intelligence
background and I have requested a report on same from our Soviet Embassy contact

After his return to the U.S., Oswald worked in New Orleans through the Anti-Communist League of the
Caribbean and Friends of Democratic Cuba; his case officer was SAIC Guy Bannister from the Chicago
F131 office. He was transferred from his assignments there after he was arrested and fined stemming
from an incident of his distribution of pamphlets for the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. While our files
here show no further assignments or contact, I am requesting an (xx) check on the subject from our New
Orleans and Ft. Worth offices.

The Nal · 23-07-2020 2:39pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Nal have you read this document?

Where did this come from?

Cheerful Spring2 · 23-07-2020 3:58pm

The Nal wrote: »

Where did this come from?

The memo was authored by John McCone, then-director of the Central Intelligence Agency, to James J. Rowley, the chief of the Secret Service allegedly in 1964.

Stephen Jaffe letter was handed to this website/paper in 2017 and they printed the memo in PDF form with the memorandum

Stephen Jaffe worked for Jim Garrison in New Orleans during their investigation of the Kennedy assassination . How he got i not sure the paper doesn't say or detail much of the background hand off here.

seannash · 23-07-2020 4:14pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

The memo was authored by John McCone, then-director of the Central Intelligence Agency, to James J. Rowley, the chief of the Secret Service allegedly in 1964.

Stephen Jaffe letter was handed to this website/paper in 2017 and they printed the memo in PDF form with the memorandum

Stephen Jaffe worked for Jim Garrison in New Orleans during their investigation of the Kennedy assassination . How he got i not sure the paper doesn't say or detail much of the background hand off here.

Wasn't that basically confirmed a forgery? The claim is made in this blog that its accepted as a forgery even among conspiracy theorists.

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm

https://steemit.com/news/@garrickalder/garrick-alder-mccone-rowley-fake-memo-lee-harvey-oswald-published-02-july-2018

The Nal · 23-07-2020 5:24pm

Thought so

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 2:39am

seannash wrote: »

Wasn't that basically confirmed a forgery? The claim is made in this blog that its accepted as a forgery even among conspiracy theorists.

https://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/bogus.htm

https://steemit.com/news/@garrickalder/garrick-alder-mccone-rowley-fake-memo-lee-harvey-oswald-published-02-july-2018

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

seannash · 24-07-2020 7:49am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

Okay so what do you believe? Do you think it's real. What about the case number on it being from another case 4 months later or the font not matching?

No need to tell us what the document suggest, we have read it.
I gotta be honest, i dont think that the document being a forgery is in any doubt. Its okay to say you were wrong about this particular item of evidence. It doesn't throw your whole argument out the window if you do.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 9:32am

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

Its a fake document so all of the above is bollocks.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 1:00pm

seannash wrote: »

Okay so what do you believe? Do you think it's real. What about the case number on it being from another case 4 months later or the font not matching?

Very weak evidence to substantiate it was a forgery based on what I have read in the link you posted.

The principal Objection here is over the dates and the reference number on both documents is identical
There's a Secret Service Oswald file from June 10 had the same reference serial number.

The author believes someone erased the June 10 document information and made a new document with an earlier date in March and left the serial number therefore its a forgery?

This is hardly proof? The Secret service may have stored away Oswald related files/documents in a box/cabinet had the same serial reference number for 1964? We would need to know exactly how the Secret service stored their Oswald documents in 1964 to prove it was a forgery.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 1:46pm

seannash wrote: »

I gotta be honest, i dont think that the document being a forgery is in any doubt. Its okay to say you were wrong about this particular item of evidence. It doesn't throw your whole argument out the window if you do.

I don’t believe it matters here if this document real or not, there is enough of evidence Oswald worked for intelligence.

A marine. Stationed at a CIA base in Japan.
Used military radar to spy on the Soviet Union and allies.
Oswald watched U-2 flights over Russia. You only get access here to this program ie military intelligence training.
Decides to go to the Soviet Union. Allowed to even though he's a national security risk
U2 flight gets shot down in May 1960- Oswald who associated with the u-2 program still living in the Soviet union.
Returns to America and not even suspected by anyone in 1962. Fact we know the US state department gives him cash to help him get back on his feet is another interesting find.
Tells his country to go **** themselve is the official narrative and yet they help him on his return home and even got his Russia Wife through the border checks during the cold war? Sure nothing odd there.
Oswald friendship with George de Mohrenschildt make no sense all too. George hates Communists and would have no time for a guy who believed in such things. He is a White Russian and many in his family got killed by the Soviets. Why would would a Rich oil guy care about an ordinary Communist fella Like Oswald? The official history about Oswald is full of cracks.
We know some of the jobs got later are suspect.
When he is arrested- Oswald attempts to phone a intelligence office in Carolina and men in suits stop the call Oswald wanted to make.
Ruby a known gangster with mob connections just happens to kill Oswald before he could talk to the media.
Transcripts of what Oswald said to the cops in the Dallas Jail disappeared. No suspicious activity here sure?

The Nal · 24-07-2020 2:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Some individuals in the JFK conspiracy world take it's a forgery and many others in the same community trust it is real

Need the original copy and not a photocopy version here to establish it was written in 1964. Apparently this document/letter turned up in the 80s and nobody knows where it came from.

This document narrative is interesting nevertheless, and not altogether the narrative most known.

The document speculates Oswald might have got turned in the Soviet Union. And returned as a sleeper agent for the Soviets. Drugged up and mind changed ie Soviet MK Ultra program type program?
CIA acknowledges a Soviet assignment, but Oswald according to the CIA director seems to drift off doing his own thing after his return from the United States.
McCone CIA director says in the document he was of little use to agency after his return and only carried out minimal jobs for them.
The CIA distancing themselves from Oswald's subsequent movements and actions later in this document and can't control its former operatives all the time.

Its a fake document so none of that matters. No, "many others in the same community" do not trust it is real. Because its not real.

Anyone can do it. See below.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

We know some of the jobs got later are suspect.

No, we don't know that.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Returns to America and not even suspected by anyone in 1962

He had an open FBI file and an assigned FBI agent from the moment he got off the plane.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

When he is arrested- Oswald attempts to phone a intelligence office in Carolina and men in suits stop the call Oswald wanted to make.

This is not true.

An alcoholic called John Hurt who was an intelligence offer in WW2 tried to call Oswald at the jail, operator at the police station wrote down the number. It was in incoming crank call. Confirmed by two conspiracy theorist authors who spoke to both Hurt and his wife after he died. Old news.

A nothing story. The rest of your post is waffle, all of which has been debunked many times over unfortunately.

57 years later now and still, not a shred of proof about a conspiracy.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 3:05pm

The Nal wrote: »

This is not true.

An alcoholic called John Hurt who was an intelligence offer in WW2 tried to call Oswald at the jail, operator at the police station wrote down the number. It was in incoming crank call. Confirmed by two conspiracy theorist authors who spoke to both Hurt and his wife after he died. Old news.

A nothing story. The rest of your post is waffle, all of which has been debunked many times over unfortunately.

57 years later now and still, not a shred of proof about a conspiracy.

This is not true. The phone/switch operator Mrs. Treon confirmed it was Oswald, who tried to make the call and even swore this under oath.
John hurt version is make believe it not supported here by the people involved. Two other women in the room confirmed her version.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 3:12pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

This is not true. The phone/switch operator Mrs. Treon confirmed it was Oswald, who tried to make the call and even swore this under oath.
John hurt version is make believe it not supported here by the people involved. Two other women in the room confirmed her version.

Nope.

The Raleigh Call Did Not Happen

These are the sorts of stories that people desperately gravitate to when there isn't any other evidence. A phone call that didn't happen.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 3:34pm

The Nal wrote: »

Nope.

The Raleigh Call Did Not Happen

These are the sorts of stories that people desperately gravitate to when there isn't any other evidence. A phone call that didn't happen.

This is the proper story.
http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk80.html

To begin with, let there be no doubt — Surell Brady and her investigative team for the HSCA believed in the legitimacy of Mrs. Treon's story, and therefore of the Raleigh Call. The section titled "Conclusion" in her Report makes it clear: "The information provided by Mrs. Treon, her daughter, and Louise Swinney all indicate that Oswald did in fact attempt to place a call from the Dallas City Hall Jail on the night of November 23, 1963."

Why would Mrs Treon lie about a phone call? How did she end up having his details then? Hurt story makes no sense here? Do you think she was working with Oswald to cover up something?

The Nal · 24-07-2020 3:45pm

If you bothered to read the very detailed and factual article I posted it would explain it.

Its a nothing story.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 3:58pm

The Nal wrote: »

If you bothered to read the very detailed and factual article I posted it would explain it.

Its a nothing story.

Your article nonsense.
John Hurt claim is he was drunk ( done as a prank) telephoned the Dallas police station. Is he five years old?
All records show it and even your article admits this- Swinney was the supervisor and Alveeta Cave Treon worked that night
You're basically saying here is Mr Treon and Swinney lied about the calls Oswald made here and you sided with the intelligence officer version?
There no reason Mrs Treon would lie, the other guy has many reasons, to cover his ass.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 4:02pm

A Phone Call that Links Oswald to Military Intelligence?

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 4:10pm

The Nal wrote: »

A Phone Call that Links Oswald to Military Intelligence?

Mrs. Treon's LD call slip has collect call noted on it. A collect call is from prisoners in Jails and Prison.I'm fairly certain Mr Hurt can afford his phone bill? And why would he leave his details, address, name, phone number, if he was making a prank call from his home?

The Nal · 24-07-2020 4:20pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Mrs. Treon's LD call slip has collect call noted on it. A collect call is from prisoners in Jails and Prison.I'm fairly certain Mr Hurt can afford his phone bill? And why would he leave his details, address, name, phone number, if he was making a prank call from his home?

Mrs. Treon's LD call slip, allegedly signed by Louise Swinney.

"I showed Louise Swinney, a Xerox copy of the slip containing information on a phone call placed by Lee Harvey Oswald to John Hurt, Raleigh, N.C. on November 23, 1963 and bearing her signature. She stated that it was definitely [ sic. ] not her signature. She was upset that someone had signed her name. She stated that she never handled a call from Oswald to John Hurt. She stated that she only handled a call from Oswald to Lawyer Apt [ sic. ] and another one that she cannot remember, but it was not to John Hurt. Mrs. Swinney insisted on giving me samples of her handwriting and told me that she would have no reason to lie."

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 4:25pm

The Nal wrote: »

Mrs. Treon's LD call slip, allegedly signed by Louise Swinney.

"I showed Louise Swinney, a Xerox copy of the slip containing information on a phone call placed by Lee Harvey Oswald to John Hurt, Raleigh, N.C. on November 23, 1963 and bearing her signature. She stated that it was definitely [ sic. ] not her signature. She was upset that someone had signed her name. She stated that she never handled a call from Oswald to John Hurt. She stated that she only handled a call from Oswald to Lawyer Apt [ sic. ] and another one that she cannot remember, but it was not to John Hurt. Mrs. Swinney insisted on giving me samples of her handwriting and told me that she would have no reason to lie."

Provide the source for this statement.

The Nal · 24-07-2020 4:31pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Provide the source for this statement.

Again, its in the article I posted.

The one that you called nonsense yet obviously didn't even read.

Cheerful Spring2 · 24-07-2020 4:42pm

The Nal wrote: »

Again, its in the article I posted.

The one that you called nonsense yet obviously didn't even read.

Mrs Treon signed it for her at the end, because Swinney put the note in the trash can after the Two agents left the room. She's the one who handled the call that night, and Mrs Treon kept it when she left the room. Mrs Swinney's narrative does make sense since it's her handwriting on the note, including John Hurt name, home address, phone.

ohnonotgmail · 25-07-2020 5:30pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Mrs. Treon's LD call slip has collect call noted on it. A collect call is from prisoners in Jails and Prison.I'm fairly certain Mr Hurt can afford his phone bill? And why would he leave his details, address, name, phone number, if he was making a prank call from his home?

a collect call can be made from any phone, not just from a jail or prison.

Cheerful Spring2 · 05-08-2020 2:00pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

a collect call can be made from any phone, not just from a jail or prison.

He supposedly made the phone call from his home address. This is the 60s so why would the Jail accept a prank call (especially when it alleged he was drunk?) the switchboard operators would have to accept the charge.

ohnonotgmail · 05-08-2020 2:02pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

He supposedly made the phone call from his home address. This is the 60s so why would the Jail accept a prank call (especially when it alleged he was drunk?) the switchboard operators would have to accept the charge.

the switchboard operators do not accept the charges. the person being called is asked if they will accept the charges

Cheerful Spring2 · 05-08-2020 2:07pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the switchboard operators do not accept the charges. the person being called is asked if they will accept the charges

Oswald in the Dallas Jail. The call has to be routed through the switchboard to the jail phone. Someone on the line inside the Jail has to accept the charge. The women who worked the switchboard in the evening, says under oath, the call was attempted by Oswald from inside the Jail and why would she lie? What does she gain from making up this story? How did she know the man details?

ohnonotgmail · 05-08-2020 2:13pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Oswald in the Dallas Jail. The call has to be routed through the switchboard to the jail phone. Someone on the line inside the Jail has to accept the charge. The women who worked the switchboard in the evening, says under oath, the call was attempted by Oswald from inside the Jail and why would she lie? What does she gain from making up this story? How did she know the man details?

let us back up a little here.

you said

I'm fairly certain Mr Hurt can afford his phone bill? And why would he leave his details, address, name, phone number, if he was making a prank call from his home?

according to the note Hurt did not make the call. he was the person that was called by LHO. but as others have noted the note is bunkum and a fraud. what is the significance of the call, assuming it actually took place?

Cheerful Spring2 · 05-08-2020 2:42pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

let us back up a little here.

you said

according to the note Hurt did not make the call. he was the person that was called by LHO. but as others have noted the note is bunkum and a fraud. what is the significance of the call, assuming it actually took place?

Story skeptics believe is Mr Hurt phoned the jail when Oswald was inside, and he did it because he was drunk.

Mr Hurt actually denied ringing the jail and knowing Oswald when HSA investigators came to visit him at his home. Hurt Wife made a new claim after he died her husband indeed phoned the jail.

Hurt wife story not backed up the woman who was there that night inside the switchboard office. She said two men entered the office when Oswald was scheduled to make calls and Mrs Swinney the office administrator stopped one of the calls from being put through.

Mrs Swinney wrote down the details (on the note we see today) Oswald gave her these details over the phone to make the collect call. After the two men left the office Mrs Swinney threw the note in the waste bin inside the office. Mrs Treon who was still inside the office after Mrs Swinney went home got the note from the waste bin and kept it.

ohnonotgmail · 05-08-2020 2:53pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Story skeptics believe is Mr Hurt phoned the jail when Oswald was inside, and he did it because he was drunk.

Mr Hurt actually denied ringing the jail and knowing Oswald when HSA investigators came to visit him at his home. Hurt Wife made a new claim after he died her husband indeed phoned the jail.

Hurt wife story not backed up the woman who was there that night inside the switchboard office. She said two men entered the office when Oswald was scheduled to make calls and Mrs Swinney the office administrator stopped one of the calls from being put through.

Mrs Swinney wrote down the details (on the note we see today) Oswald gave her these details over the phone to make the collect call. After the two men left the office Mrs Swinney threw the note in the waste bin inside the office. Mrs Treon who was still inside the office after Mrs Swinney went home got the note from the waste bin and kept it.

that makes no sense at all. the note says that LHO called hurt not that Hurt called LHO. also you cannot make a collect call to a prisoner in a jail.

Cheerful Spring2 · 05-08-2020 2:58pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that makes no sense at all. the note says that LHO called hurt not that Hurt called LHO. also you cannot make a collect call to a prisoner in a jail.

Well exactly. Skeptics deny the note. They claim Oswald made no call. They believe Hurt Wife story!

The note evidence Oswald tried to phone an intelligence officer in North Carolina after he got arrested.

Read the note above,
"Collect"
Phone Number "Jail"
Person Calling Lee Harvey Oswald
Person Called John Hurt.

The Nal · 06-08-2020 9:47am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

that makes no sense at all. the note says that LHO called hurt not that Hurt called LHO. also you cannot make a collect call to a prisoner in a jail.

Most of Cheerfuls theories make no sense. This call has already been addressed and debunked but like a stubborn child, the relevant bits are ignored and the convenient parts are not and just repeated endlessly.

Cheerful Spring2 · 06-08-2020 4:29pm

The Nal wrote: »

Most of Cheerfuls theories make no sense. This call has already been addressed and debunked but like a stubborn child, the relevant bits are ignored and the convenient parts are not and just repeated endlessly.

Mrs Swinney backed up Mrs Treon story of two men coming to the office.

When HSCA investigator Harold Rose approached 59-year-old Mrs. Swinney and identified himself, he reported she became "very nervous" and asked, "Do I have to talk about it? Are you going to harass me? What will happen to me if I don't talk about it?" After her fears were somewhat allayed, she told Rose that "sometime around 7 p.m., November 23, 1963, she was told by the DPD [Dallas Police Department] that if Oswald tried to make any phone calls, they would send two men to the telephone room to 'tap in on the line.' She stated that about 10 p.m., two DPD homicide detectives came to the telephone room and identified themselves to her." She revealed that "Oswald tried to make two calls," one to "Lawyer Apt." [sic] in New York and she doesn't remember where the other call was to." According to her statement, "she did not put either call through for Oswald."

http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk80.html

She couldn't remember who the second call was for! That significant because Oswald was trying to phone two people from the Jail. Mr Treon kept the evidence from that night who Oswald was trying to phone. Mrs Swinney even admits the neither call was put through, she obviously frightened to reveal everything she knows here.

The Nal · 06-08-2020 4:49pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

That's factually untrue, the car was fitted with privacy windows. You can see the glass here. Someone would have to deliberately remove the glass for it to be no longer there. Just another angle to the conspiracy

Thats not a picture of the car as it was on the day. You've just googled the model of the car and found one with glass in it and posted it here.

The glass was removed, as was the bubble top, on JFKs request.

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

she obviously frightened to reveal everything she knows here.

Oh obviously yeah....

ohnonotgmail · 06-08-2020 4:51pm

The Nal wrote: »

Oh obviously yeah....

stands to reason, innit?

Cheerful Spring2 · 06-08-2020 4:59pm

The Nal wrote: »

Thats not a picture of the car as it was on the day. You've just googled the model of the car and found one with glass in it and posted it here.

The glass was removed, as was the bubble top, on JFKs request.

Oh obviously yeah....

Privacy glass was not plastic. The bubble top was plastic. Someone would have to remove that privacy glass. Everyone knows the bubble top plastic got removed for the day.

Have you evidence JFK requested the privacy glass also be removed?

ohnonotgmail · 06-08-2020 5:10pm

Cheerful Spring2 wrote: »

Privacy glass was not plastic. The bubble top was plastic. Someone would have to remove that privacy glass. Everyone knows the bubble top plastic got removed for the day.

Have you evidence JFK requested the privacy glass also be removed?

in the picture you posted of JFK in the limo on the day he was assassinated there was clearly no privacy glass installed. The glass is comprised of two panes with a line in the middle where the panes overlap. that overlap is not there on the day of the assassination. who asked for it to be removed is irrelevant. it isn't there. any theories you propose that assume that the glass is there are nonsense from the off.

Cheerful Spring2 · 06-08-2020 5:15pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

stands to reason, innit?

Yep if you read the backstory. Hurt and Wife denied making a phone call. That changed when he died. His wife had a new story to tell.

When interviewed by Surell Brady and members of her investigating staff, both John David Hurt and his wife Billie Hurt adamantly told them the exact same thing they would tell me two years later (see above) — that he had made no calls to the Dallas jail, and that he had received no calls from Oswald. The latter of these two is confirmed by Mrs. Treon's testimony.
John Hurt died a year after I interviewed him, and one researcher has written that, a year or so after Hurt's death, he got Billie Hurt to finally admit "the truth" about the Raleigh C

James W. Douglass presented and critiqued that finding in his book JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why It Matters" :

The prank explantation came from a researcher. How do you confirm the story when its hearsay?

HSCAS investigated John Hurt and supposedly majority of his military records got destroyed in a fire in 1976.

John David Hurt was a Special Agent in Military Counterintelligence during WWII.

A month prior to this interview with John Hurt, HSCA Chief Counsel Robert Blakey wrote to Harold Brown, the Secretary of Defense, requesting "access to any and all documents concerning or referring to John David Hurt" and asking that DOD "consider this request a priority matter." It was not until nine days after the HSCA interview with Hurt that John Kester, Special Assistant to the Secretary of Defense, sent a short reply. In it, Kester confirmed Hurt's work in the Army C.I.C., but informed the HSCA that Hurt's Army personnel file was "destroyed in the July 1973 fire at the [National Personnel Records]

http://www.groverproctor.us/jfk/jfk80.html

JFK Assassination Autopsy Details Revealed After 55 Years

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