Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

13-07-2018 11:39pm

Failing to stop should be good enough to do jail but that looked deliberate regardless of age. No way was there a gap for even a Gillette close pass there.

site_owner · 13-07-2018 11:40pm

£20 Seems like a sick joke.

Speaking of jokes, this is getting reported as an "and finally" joke on BBC news. Driver sitting on a bucket with a vice grips for a steering wheel, among plenty of other offences.

I'm imagining how dangerous this is, and it's just a joke to BBC

Sheep breeder · 14-07-2018 12:38am

Martin567 wrote: »

According to the initial post, the car was turning left. If it had been turning right, the driver would certainly have been wrong.

The initial poster would need to clarify but it certainly doesn't automatically follow that the car had passed the bike seconds before turning left. As I read it, the cyclist should give way to a car turning left in front of him (again assuming that car hadn't just overtaken him and cut straight across him).

The car was turning into the left and have travelled about 250 meters from another shop and was travelling slow and had not over taken the bike rider who was coming along behind and should have seen the left indicator on by the driver of the car who was in turning mode when the bike struck on the foot path in the middle of a straight in the village.

TallGlass · 14-07-2018 1:00pm

site_owner wrote: »

Doing the rounds on Facebook now.
Full details here
https://www.devonlive.com/news/devon-news/shocking-moment-car-ploughs-group-1783682

Should be put in the mental for a few years, what a psychopath.

RasTa · 14-07-2018 2:19pm

Driver was 81, he won't be passing the extended re-test. Personally think anyone over the age of 70 shouldn't be driving anyway

AndrewJRenko · 14-07-2018 2:40pm

RasTa wrote: »

Driver was 81, he won't be passing the extended re-test. Personally think anyone over the age of 70 shouldn't be driving anyway

Don't think there is any evidence to show that people over 70 are any worse than, say, people under 25. But your proposal would be a great way to increase isolation and loneliness, if that's your objective?

benjamin d · 14-07-2018 2:59pm

Everyone should be subject to a periodic retest. Every 5 years or so imo

ewc78 · 14-07-2018 3:11pm

rushfan wrote: »

Slightly off topic I know but while in the back of a minibus travelling southbound on the M50 earlier after Junction 5, we spotted a halfwit on a bike in the hard shoulder. He did have his hivis on though.

Have never seen a cyclist on the m50 before. The gob****e must have had a death wish, it's scary enough driving it sometimes never mind being on it on a bike.

CramCycle · 14-07-2018 4:16pm

ewc78 wrote: »

Have never seen a cyclist on the m50 before. The gob****e must have had a death wish, it's scary enough driving it sometimes never mind being on it on a bike.

I see a guy with one of those modified BSOs with a petrol engine on the M11 / M50 near Bray. Lifted by the Gardai buy he had a different one a month later.

rushfan · 14-07-2018 4:28pm

ewc78 wrote:

Have never seen a cyclist on the m50 before. The gob****e must have had a death wish, it's scary enough driving it sometimes never mind being on it on a bike.

First for me too, as everyone knows it's so busy you literally can't take your eyes off the road. I wasn't driving yesterday incidentally.

Zulu · 14-07-2018 4:36pm

you know, I saw something similar today on the stretch from portmarnock to baldoyle. A "silvertop" overtook 2 cyclists when there was no room. I was coming against her in the car an had to swerve (almost) into the ditch to avoid her.
Fuppin clown.

RasTa · 14-07-2018 5:53pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Don't think there is any evidence to show that people over 70 are any worse than, say, people under 25. But your proposal would be a great way to increase isolation and loneliness, if that's your objective?

Ah yeah, 70 year old's have the same sight, awareness etc as someone under 25.

Mandatory retest in effect once someone turns 70.

ED E · 14-07-2018 8:01pm

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Don't think there is any evidence to show that people over 70 are any worse than, say, people under 25. But your proposal would be a great way to increase isolation and loneliness, if that's your objective?

Yes, there is.

Separate study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2586814/

The degree varies from study to study but a 24yo (about the fastest) is very significantly faster at reacting than a 75yo. Add that to GPs being soft on OAPs with recertification and you've doddery aul fellas driving the wrong way down the M50.

Seth Brundle · 14-07-2018 8:03pm

The aul fella had loads of time to see the cyclists and react!

magicbastarder · 14-07-2018 8:32pm

ED E wrote: »

Yes, there is.

there's a genuine debate to be had about this, but a graph showing difference of 0.09s in reaction time (i'm guessing this is what the graph above is measuring, whoever designed the graph forgot that specifying the units is kinda important) is not going to convince many. at 60km/h, that's a difference of 1.4m. all other things being equal, yes it's obviously worse (though certainly not alarmingly so), but all other things are not equal when you're comparing a 20 year old to a 70 year old.

but i wholeheartedly endorse the idea of a mandatory retest; whether it's every 10 years or 15 years, but reasonably periodic.

AndrewJRenko · 14-07-2018 8:34pm

RasTa wrote: »

Ah yeah, 70 year old's have the same sight, awareness etc as someone under 25.

Mandatory retest in effect once someone turns 70.

Doesn't matter how good your eyesight is when your eyes are stuck on Snapchat, not on the road. Are over 70s disproportionally represented in road death stats?

AndrewJRenko · 14-07-2018 8:45pm

ED E wrote: »

Yes, there is.

Separate study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2586814/

The degree varies from study to study but a 24yo (about the fastest) is very significantly faster at reacting than a 75yo. Add that to GPs being soft on OAPs with recertification and you've doddery aul fellas driving the wrong way down the M50.

If that graph is the result of tests on 11 people, it's not exactly conclusive. Regardless they are only a small part of the overall picture. The benefit of shorter braking distance goes out the window if you're frequently speeding.

I share your concern about GP signoffs btw. I'd prefer to see frequent retesting of all ages, say every 3 or 5 years.

CramCycle · 14-07-2018 9:47pm

Also GP sign offs should be done in an independent test centre. Some GPs will wave some people through. I know my eyetest consisted if my GP asking was there anything wrong with my eyesight. I said no. Paper stamped.

ED E · 14-07-2018 11:43pm

Problem is the HSE couldn't cope with any extra work like that. The Brits have a system where road policing units can send an advisory note to the DVLA that they think somebody is struggling and they're then reviewed. AFAIK theres no equivalent here.

NeedMoreGears · 15-07-2018 8:52am

I’d agree with routine retesting but I would add in a mandatory driving lesson and eye test to an overall programme designed to maintain driver competence at an acceptable level. I did the advanced test a few years back and had to take a few lessons. They were a great tune up. After almost forty years of driving, I had acquired a few bad habits and wasn’t fully aware of certain laws.

jon1981 · 15-07-2018 9:28am

Had an unusual near miss myself by 3 scrotes...

cython · 15-07-2018 9:52am

jon1981 wrote: »

Had an unusual near miss myself by 3 scrotes...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbBxmBU_vFA

Fixed your embed. That's farcical from the scrotes

jon1981 · 15-07-2018 10:26am

cython wrote: »

Fixed your embed.

Thanks i always mess that up

Pinch Flat · 15-07-2018 1:43pm

Navan this morning circa 10am. Worst punishment pass I’ve experienced to date. Some w@nker in a 03-d 3 series bmw. Residential area - approach to the town - 50kph zone but I guess he passed me within 3 or 4 inches at 70 - 80 kph plus. No other cars on a wide road.

Hope he managed to put his feet up having his cup of tea and reflect with some satisfaction how he sorted out 2 cyclists minding their own business, presumably on his road.

The thought that stuck with me was that my wife asked me to “cycle safely” as I left the house at 8.15 am this morning. I was wearing a day glow organge rain cape, see sense set on max.....yeah “cycling Safely” but some other fool thought he’d put my life needlessly at risk for no reason what so ever.

jon1981 · 15-07-2018 2:14pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Navan this morning circa 10am. Worst punishment pass I’ve experienced to date. Some w@nker in a 03-d 3 series bmw. Residential area - approach to the town - 50kph zone but I guess he passed me within 3 or 4 inches at 70 - 80 kph plus. No other cars on a wide road.

Hope he managed to put his feet up having his cup of tea and reflect with some satisfaction how he sorted out 2 cyclists minding their own business, presumably on his road.

The thought that stuck with me was that my wife asked me to “cycle safely” as I left the house at 8.15 am this morning. I was wearing a day glow organge rain cape, see sense set on max.....yeah “cycling Safely” but some other fool thought he’d put my life needlessly at risk for no reason what so ever.

Seriously, invest in a cam. I have one for this reason. Easier to report the c**t.

How dare you be on the road, that'll teach you.

Pinch Flat · 15-07-2018 2:26pm

jon1981 wrote: »

Seriously, invest in a cam. I have one for this reason. Easier to report the c**t.

How dare you be on the road, that'll teach you.

Actually have a cam. I need an adaoptor for my new bike - it’s an aero seat post.

Weepsie · 15-07-2018 2:41pm

2 overtakes approaching blind bends today. I stuck my hand out to try and stop one as I know we a car was coming. Still went for it.

Both gave me space, but I don't want to have to ring someone to say there's been a serious car accident.

I was only on a short jaunt to my parents and first time on a bike week and a bit. Had nothing but good experiences with the nice weather lately, but the rain seemed to make everyone impatient this morning.

Chiparus · 15-07-2018 4:13pm

Pinch Flat wrote: »

Actually have a cam. I need an adaoptor for my new bike - it’s an aero seat post.

Fly 6 come with aero seat post adaptor.

Wishbone Ash · 15-07-2018 4:14pm

I got up close and personal with a private coach making a left turn yesterday.

I was travelling southbound on the cycle track on Nicolas Street/Patrick Street (Dublin 8). The coach passed me on the right and, when I was about half way alongside it, the driver began turning left onto the laneway beside the cathedral. I slapped the side of the coach but he didn't react and continued the turn. I managed to move forward a bit more and had to make the turn with him to avoid being taken down.

Tourists on the coach seemed to have alerted the driver at this stage as he stopped suddenly. I was a bit verbally aggressive with him due to adrenaline which I regretted a few seconds after. He offered no apology but just said he had his indicator on.

Not a pleasant experience.

(Thanks to the female druggie who witnessed it and asked me if I was ok. She also gave the driver a bollocking!

)

jon1981 · 15-07-2018 4:15pm

Chiparus wrote: »

Fly 6 come with aero seat post adaptor.

I have one, though not happy with the video quality, the latest model though is HD.

notmypants · 16-07-2018 9:12am

This morning.

I see this far too often and it's incredibly frustrating.

Stuck at lights, most people line up single file at the lights. There is always someone who thinks the line is gonna take them too long and skips right to the front.

This morning it was some lad who looked like he was ready for the Tour de France. Head to toe in sponsorships.

Light's go green and this dude can barely cycle, he's incredibly slow and everyone starts flying by him.

Next set of lights and BOOM, who decides to come right to the top! Only this time he sits behind person at the front. As he takes off the top person is incredibly slow, so he get's frustrated and cycles around them, waving his hands in their face....only to hit a pot hole.

He comes straight off his bike, knocks the lady beside him off her bike and forces everyone out into traffic. A bus nearly ploughs through 5 or 6 people. It was mayhem.

CramCycle · 16-07-2018 9:17am

My partner had a not near miss. Walked out of a shop and a guy on a BSO slammed into her. He cycled off but then came back a minute later to inform my other half that she didn't look where she was going. She offered back that she was a pedestrian. To which he replied, suppose so, my brakes don't really work either so I should get them sorted and off he went. no sorry, nothing. Alot of people could have fallen quite badly.

mloc123 · 16-07-2018 9:52am

notmypants wrote: »

Stuck at lights, most people line up single file at the lights. There is always someone who thinks the line is gonna take them too long and skips right to the front.

This drives me ****ing mad... always the slowest people that do it, so you pass them 20m later... stop at the next light and they just jump the queue again.

RacoonQueen · 16-07-2018 10:01am

mloc123 wrote: »

This drives me ****ing mad... always the slowest people that do it, so you pass them 20m later... stop at the next light and they just jump the queue again.

I guarantee you this is even worse when you are female. Just cycling along on the straight, or worse, uphill, some men will be disgusted when you have the audacity to overtake them and bust a gut to get ahead then die a death because "Grrr...I man. You woman. I faster. I go in front. I die. You wait behind slowly. I man. Grrrr...."

AndrewJRenko · 16-07-2018 10:02am

mloc123 wrote: »

This drives me ****ing mad... always the slowest people that do it, so you pass them 20m later... stop at the next light and they just jump the queue again.

If I have to pass them a third time, I generally ask them not to make me pass them a fourth time.

Johnnycanyon · 16-07-2018 10:11am

I have had so many near misses in the past few months I am thinking of giving up road cycling altogether and just sticking with mountain biking.. I am actually scared out on my road bike now! But just as a matter of interest to see what people think,,, I find if I cycle a bit more out near the middle of the road the cars vans etc tend to slow more when passing than when I am closer to the side of the road as this gives the loonies a better chance of getting between me and the on coming traffic.

tommythecat · 16-07-2018 10:13am

CramCycle wrote: »

My partner had a not near miss. Walked out of a shop and a guy on a BSO slammed into her. He cycled off but then came back a minute later to inform my other half that she didn't look where she was going. She offered back that she was a pedestrian. To which he replied, suppose so, my brakes don't really work either so I should get them sorted and off he went. no sorry, nothing. Alot of people could have fallen quite badly.

Sorry what’s a BSO?

cython · 16-07-2018 10:28am

tommythecat wrote: »

Sorry what’s a BSO?

Bicycle Shaped Object. Think what you might pick up in the likes of Smyths Toys in many cases, or indeed in large Asda or Tesco stores in the UK for adults.

jon1981 · 16-07-2018 10:33am

mloc123 wrote: »

This drives me ****ing mad... always the slowest people that do it, so you pass them 20m later... stop at the next light and they just jump the queue again.

This really gets my goat also. I will never do a punishment pass (it's not just cars that do this and it's just a d1ck move, don't do it.) but if it's persistent I'll make a point of saying it to them at the next opportunity, however often I get an ignorant response in reply.

Weepsie · 16-07-2018 10:38am

This morning I was witness to one that was entirely the cyclists fault (IMO)

I was waiting for the filter light to go left from Amiens street at the Five lamps. Car beside me was clearly waiting too and indicating and some people behind me waiting. Some moron, decides to plough on through when the lights have gone green, and nearly got himself hit. The driver was quick to react. I nearly wanted to apologise to him as it's that kind of stupidity that gives folk the impression that allo on 2 wheels are eejits.

mr spuckler · 16-07-2018 10:41am

Weepsie wrote: »

This morning I was witness to one that was entirely the cyclists fault (IMO)

I was waiting for the filter light to go left from Amiens street at the Five lamps. Car beside me was clearly waiting too and indicating and some people behind me waiting. Some moron, decides to plough on through when the lights have gone green, and nearly got himself hit. The driver was quick to react. I nearly wanted to apologise to him as it's that kind of stupidity that gives folk the impression that allo on 2 wheels are eejits.

yeah I saw a similar one at Leeson st bridge, the driver was clearly paying full attention given how he waited but he also rightly sounded the horn at the few cyclists that just insisted on undertaking him, whether they were going straight on or turning left.

jon1981 · 16-07-2018 10:42am

Weepsie wrote: »

This morning I was witness to one that was entirely the cyclists fault (IMO)

I was waiting for the filter light to go left from Amiens street at the Five lamps. Car beside me was clearly waiting too and indicating and some people behind me waiting. Some moron, decides to plough on through when the lights have gone green, and nearly got himself hit. The driver was quick to react. I nearly wanted to apologise to him as it's that kind of stupidity that gives folk the impression that allo on 2 wheels are eejits.

I pass that junction everyday on my commute. Sadly, there is alot of bad cycling behaviour at that junction. There are times I'd slow down knowing the car ahead has the right of way to turn (got to the junction first) but then a muppet cyclist flies by me and straight through the junction. Happens all the time!

notmypants · 16-07-2018 11:03am

RacoonQueen wrote: »

I guarantee you this is even worse when you are female. Just cycling along on the straight, or worse, uphill, some men will be disgusted when you have the audacity to overtake them and bust a gut to get ahead then die a death because "Grrr...I man. You woman. I faster. I go in front. I die. You wait behind slowly. I man. Grrrr...."

Ah I reckon so. I see that so often.

I actually make a point to call out everyone who is slower than me and park themselves in front of me.

tommythecat · 16-07-2018 12:03pm

cython wrote: »

Bicycle Shaped Object. Think what you might pick up in the likes of Smyths Toys in many cases, or indeed in large Asda or Tesco stores in the UK for adults.

Aha! Thanks!

cdaly_ · 16-07-2018 12:17pm

Johnnycanyon wrote: »

I have had so many near misses in the past few months I am thinking of giving up road cycling altogether and just sticking with mountain biking.. I am actually scared out on my road bike now! But just as a matter of interest to see what people think,,, I find if I cycle a bit more out near the middle of the road the cars vans etc tend to slow more when passing than when I am closer to the side of the road as this gives the loonies a better chance of getting between me and the on coming traffic.

This is probably the best thing you can do to improve your road experience.

ED E · 16-07-2018 12:18pm

Weepsie wrote: »

This morning I was witness to one that was entirely the cyclists fault (IMO)

I was waiting for the filter light to go left from Amiens street at the Five lamps. Car beside me was clearly waiting too and indicating and some people behind me waiting. Some moron, decides to plough on through when the lights have gone green, and nearly got himself hit. The driver was quick to react. I nearly wanted to apologise to him as it's that kind of stupidity that gives folk the impression that allo on 2 wheels are eejits.

IMO advisory "wishful thinking" cycle lanes encourage behaviour like that.

helimachoptor · 16-07-2018 5:02pm

it's the daily fail, but this is shocking

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5957869/Shocking-video-shows-driver-81-ploughing-cyclists.html

jon1981 · 16-07-2018 7:31pm

helimachoptor wrote: »

it's the daily fail, but this is shocking

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5957869/Shocking-video-shows-driver-81-ploughing-cyclists.html

Even the anti cyclist brigade in the comments have sympathy for the cyclists...that shows how bad it was and how little justice was served.

16-07-2018 7:49pm

ED E wrote: »

Yes, there is.

Separate study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2586814/

The degree varies from study to study but a 24yo (about the fastest) is very significantly faster at reacting than a 75yo. Add that to GPs being soft on OAPs with recertification and you've doddery aul fellas driving the wrong way down the M50.

Graph is non sense to be fair. Less than 10% of a second difference top to bottom, and scaled to make it look shocking. Old people are probably not going as fast any way.

Pinch Flat · 16-07-2018 7:55pm

jon1981 wrote: »

Even the anti cyclist brigade in the comments have sympathy for the cyclists...that shows how bad it was and how little justice was served.

One commment I read on the Daily Fail FB page seems to fault with the cyclists. Suspect hi vis, “road tax”, insurance and red light breaking will appear in further comments as further motorists become triggered.

Near misses - mod warning 22/04 - see OP/post 822

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