This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

ELM327 · 05-03-2021 5:18pm

Was it you?

Gumbo · 05-03-2021 5:19pm

unkel wrote: »

I heard from a little birdie that that Tesla was sold for €24k. That's insane. Someone got themselves the EV bargain of 2021 there. The guts of 10k under market value. We might as well pause this thread until next year

Well wear to the new owner who will be enjoying zero total cost of ownership over the next few years

That’s a stunning deal there.

unkel · 05-03-2021 5:20pm

reni10 wrote: »

This sounds good, any tutorials or something like that for this setup?

DrPhilG wrote: »

That 10kWh is total, isn't the usable amount less?

Belongs in the renewable energy forum, several regulars over there have shown how to do it (with pics). If you are serious about setting something up, ask there and you shall get help!

LiFePo4 cells are nominal 3.2V, fully charged about 3.6V or a bit more

16 cells * 200Ah capacity * 3.6V = 11.52kWh capacity for the pack. About 90% of this is usable if you want to have a high enough cycle count without too much degradation, so about 10.4kWh usable

unkel · 05-03-2021 5:22pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Was it you?

It should have been

No appetite for dealing in cars now I can't bring them in myself from the UK anymore, but that would have made someone a very easy several grand profit alright.

garo · 05-03-2021 10:36pm

unkel wrote: »

I heard from a little birdie that that Tesla was sold for €24k. That's insane. Someone got themselves the EV bargain of 2021 there. The guts of 10k under market value. We might as well pause this thread until next year

Well wear to the new owner who will be enjoying zero total cost of ownership over the next few years

That is a stunning bargain. Almost as good as your own.

Birka · 05-03-2021 11:47pm

What's a realistic range for an early Leaf with 9 bars? 60km?

DrPhilG · 06-03-2021 12:07am

Birka wrote: »

What's a realistic range for an early Leaf with 9 bars? 60km?

You eyeing up that one on Facebook for €4.5k?

Your question isn't straightforward. What you would get from that car and what I would get aren't the same.

Are you talking motorway range or a shorter commute? Do you drive it like you stole it, or are you a more chilled out driver?

Do you enjoy toasting little boy racers off the line or do you take your time accelerating?

Personally I'd likely get 55km worst case, 80km on a chilled out Sunday afternoon in the summer.

slave1 · 06-03-2021 12:14am

Doesn’t the eNiro come in the smaller battery size too, we want to be keeping our eyes open for this, back to Leaf 24 or 30 days

graememk · 06-03-2021 12:21am

slave1 wrote: »

Doesn’t the eNiro come in the smaller battery size too, we want to be keeping our eyes open for this, back to Leaf 24 or 30 days

yes but I'd say there is only a few of them in the country, - at the start of 2019.
So id be suspicious of anything 191 reg.

E Niros had a batch arrive and registered in July 19, then practically nothing until 2020.

Dealer still had the 39kwh one on their pricelist when i was looking in Nov '19 but it wasnt on the kia website at that stage.

Birka · 06-03-2021 12:51am

DrPhilG wrote: »

You eyeing up that one on Facebook for €4.5k?

Your question isn't straightforward. What you would get from that car and what I would get aren't the same.

Are you talking motorway range or a shorter commute? Do you drive it like you stole it, or are you a more chilled out driver?

Do you enjoy toasting little boy racers off the line or do you take your time accelerating?

Personally I'd likely get 55km worst case, 80km on a chilled out Sunday afternoon in the summer.

Yep, I was looking at that one, really just as a local runaround.

I'd be happy to try and stretch out range so more of a chilled out driving style. Little or no motorway as I'd have an alternative for that.

In the fullness of time, I might think about range extension (Muxsan etc) but I'm not sure that it'd make sense to buy such an old car with that planned for the future when the same money, say €11/12k would buy a newer car with the same result and everything factory standard.

unkel · 06-03-2021 1:36am

Birka wrote: »

I'd be happy to try and stretch out range so more of a chilled out driving style. Little or no motorway as I'd have an alternative for that.

Then yes, it wouldn't be too hard to get the 60km out of it, maybe not quite as easy on a bad day in winter though, but from reading between the lines this car's range would suit you.

A lot of car for the money, you'll get €600 subsidy for a charge point too and then there is the near zero running costs, low tax and insurance, near zero maintenance costs and discount on tolls. What's not to like here

Gumbo · 06-03-2021 10:51am

Birka wrote: »

What's a realistic range for an early Leaf with 9 bars? 60km?

I think the ad is as honest as it can be.

They stated 60-80 which is right IMO.
Maybe more in summer with careful driving.

Duke O Smiley · 08-03-2021 10:30am

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2012-nissan-leaf-needing-repair/27448708

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Leaf for €1950 with an electrical fault

ELM327 · 08-03-2021 10:40am

I'd love to buy that as a project, get it fixed and add the muxsan extension pack.

the_amazing_raisin · 08-03-2021 10:49am

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd love to buy that as a project, get it fixed and add the muxsan extension pack.

The report in the photos seem to indicate a fault in the battery pack

If you could get a Leaf40 pack and swap it in it might fix the problem and you can sell the old cells for some cash

All in all, could get a 200km EV for under €10k all told

Birka · 08-03-2021 10:49am

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd love to buy that as a project, get it fixed and add the muxsan extension pack.

There are two other 9 bar 2011 cars asking €4500 at the moment (I'm guessing that that one is a 9 bar car too). That car has another potential issue, going by the printed report. But you're right - for the right price combined with the appropriate personal skills it'd be an interesting buy.

Orebro · 08-03-2021 11:13am

ELM327 wrote: »

I'd love to buy that as a project, get it fixed and add the muxsan extension pack.

Was thinking exactly the same!

There are a few independent EV repair specialists in the UK now who could probably fix this up for a lot less, wonder how long before someone opens one here.

unkel · 08-03-2021 12:07pm

Orebro wrote: »

Was thinking exactly the same!

There are a few independent EV repair specialists in the UK now who could probably fix this up for a lot less, wonder how long before someone opens one here.

Might be worth making a call to the lads in Wicklow, who have taken on the Muxsan franchise. They might have a look at it.

the_amazing_raisin · 08-03-2021 12:11pm

Birka wrote: »

There are two other 9 bar 2011 cars asking €4500 at the moment (I'm guessing that that one is a 9 bar car too). That car has another potential issue, going by the printed report. But you're right - for the right price combined with the appropriate personal skills it'd be an interesting buy.

The other issue is that they couldn't test the PTC heater since it needs power from the HV battery. So it's probably not broken, they just couldn't test it

There's definitely easier options out there, but as a fixer upper it'd be a bit of fun

ELM327 · 08-03-2021 12:30pm

PTC heater is a plug and play replacement surely? On a petrol 1500 project car I'd tackle that myself so I'd give it a go here too.

Orebro · 08-03-2021 12:34pm

ELM327 wrote: »

PTC heater is a plug and play replacement surely? On a petrol 1500 project car I'd tackle that myself so I'd give it a go here too.

It's a pain in the arse to get to it and in a stupid place - centre console/dash out job - so disaster if it goes in an otherwise usable Leaf as I've seen quotes of 2k+ from Nissan UK to replace, most of it being labour (making some cars a write-off because of a bloody heater, madness). But I guess if you're going to be doing surgery on this one anyway it's not a big deal. Spare ones can get got for pennies on fleabay too.

08-03-2021 1:28pm

Have we been given clear and decisive answers about whether battery extensions impact the ability of the car to be covered under normal insurance policy?

I thought this was still an open question? And until answered the range extensions / battery replacement are experiments and not really viable options for real consideration?

ELM327 · 08-03-2021 1:36pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Have we been given clear and decisive answers about whether battery extensions impact the ability of the car to be covered under normal insurance policy?

I thought this was still an open question? And until answered the range extensions / battery replacement are experiments and not really viable options for real consideration?

It's a closed question. It's a modification to the car and has to be declared to the insurer.

DrPhilG · 08-03-2021 1:49pm

Lol, I ended up in a row with the Irish crowd doing these battery upgrades for asking that.

unkel · 08-03-2021 2:08pm

It's an insane waste of money anyway. Why spend €7k on a €4k car and end up with a car worth maybe €6k?

€5k down the drain that you will never get back...

ELM327 · 08-03-2021 2:30pm

unkel wrote: »

It's an insane waste of money anyway. Why spend €7k on a €4k car and end up with a car worth maybe €6k?

€5k down the drain that you will never get back...

The battery is disconnectable afterwards

kaahooters · 08-03-2021 2:38pm

unkel wrote: »

Might be worth making a call to the lads in Wicklow, who have taken on the Muxsan franchise. They might have a look at it.

details?

slave1 · 08-03-2021 4:11pm

unkel wrote: »

It's an insane waste of money anyway. Why spend €7k on a €4k car and end up with a car worth maybe €6k?

€5k down the drain that you will never get back...

But there are non-financial benefits, if you are happy with the car and want to extent it's life, a lot of energy and raw materials in a new car that can be avoided with a battery swap out.
I'm 90% committed to battery swap for our L30 when it no longer becomes usable for us, by then it will make economical sense.
Same again with the Tesla

cannco253 · 08-03-2021 4:51pm

https://rangetherapy.org/

the_amazing_raisin · 08-03-2021 5:03pm

DrPhilG wrote: »

Lol, I ended up in a row with the Irish crowd doing these battery upgrades for asking that.

Sure it's just the same as putting in a higher capacity 12v battery

ELM327 · 08-03-2021 5:10pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Sure it's just the same as putting in a higher capacity 12v battery

The guy promoting this really hasnt a clue. He was on one of the IEVOA calls recently and he showed he worked in the NGO industry for years by his lack of awareness

I told him this was a modification and as fuch needs to be declared to the insurance co. He disagreed and blocked me!

Orebro · 08-03-2021 5:29pm

ELM327 wrote: »

The guy promoting this really hasnt a clue. He was on one of the IEVOA calls recently and he showed he worked in the NGO industry for years by his lack of awareness

I told him this was a modification and as fuch needs to be declared to the insurance co. He disagreed and blocked me!

Have to agree with this - I had a scan through a recording of that meeting and afterwards I wouldn't give him my Casio to replace the battery in, much less let him mess around with my car.

DrPhilG · 08-03-2021 5:44pm

ELM327 wrote: »

The guy promoting this really hasnt a clue. He was on one of the IEVOA calls recently and he showed he worked in the NGO industry for years by his lack of awareness

I told him this was a modification and as fuch needs to be declared to the insurance co. He disagreed and blocked me!

Similar issue for me. I had queried the issues with insurance and been fobbed off a few times. Eventually he blocked me on twitter I think.

Then he posted in the Irish EV Owners Facebook page advertising his service. Not even doing so openly, as he obviously knew that the page doesn't allow advertising, but an obviously made up post about an overstay fee, with a subtle link to his business added at the end.

When I threw out the post he threw an absolute hissy fit and demanded that we change the rules just for him because he isn't even making a profit, just trying to save the world lol.

Orebro · 08-03-2021 5:52pm

I can't remember where I saw it but there was a photo posted somewhere of him doing his own car in some sort of small dark block shed - to call it a backstreet operation would be giving it a compliment, it looked less than amateur and plain dangerous tbh.

80sDiesel · 09-03-2021 12:39am

2017 BMW I3 94Ah with good spec
18900
https://www.donedeal.ie/view/27448116

Fidoodles · 10-03-2021 8:06pm

Duke O Smiley wrote: »

Leaf for €1950 with an electrical fault

Gone already!

slave1 · 12-03-2021 5:04pm

Ioniq38 for £22k, if true NI car then no VRT/VAT....

New battery on it's way for you so essentially a new car come end of the year given the interior and exterior of this car look excellent

reni10 · 12-03-2021 9:37pm

slave1 wrote: »

Ioniq38 for £22k, if true NI car then no VRT/VAT....

New battery on it's way for you so essentially a new car come end of the year given the interior and exterior of this car look excellent

Why would there be no VRT?

There will be no vat if the car was registered for 6 months in NI or imported to NI before 31st Dec 2020 but there will still be VRT To pay.

Casati · 12-03-2021 9:44pm

reni10 wrote: »

Why would there be no VRT?

There will be no vat if the car was registered for 6 months in NI or imported to NI before 31st Dec 2020 but there will still be VRT To pay.

Where are you getting that the car will need to be registered for 6 months in NI to avoid VAT being charged - I do not believe that the legislation includes such a requirement?

Black_Knight · 12-03-2021 9:58pm

Thought those 38s were all leather interiors? Pity. I've toyed with the idea of a 38 to give us some more range while the likes of the id4 are too pricey/not second hand yet. Would have to be a cheap upgrade though as I rate the 38 pretty poorly for it's shoddy charging speeds. 8-9k to add 60km+ extra range... Probably not worth it, but more worth £22 than the €34 original price

Black_Knight · 12-03-2021 10:01pm

reni10 wrote: »

Why would there be no VRT?

There will be no vat if the car was registered for 6 months in NI or imported to NI before 31st Dec 2020 but there will still be VRT To pay.

There's €5k Vrt relief on electric vehicles, so if the Vrt is less than 5k, you pay no Vrt. In this case, it would be less than 5k.

Casati · 12-03-2021 10:23pm

Black_Knight wrote: »

Thought those 38s were all leather interiors? Pity. I've toyed with the idea of a 38 to give us some more range while the likes of the id4 are too pricey/not second hand yet. Would have to be a cheap upgrade though as I rate the 38 pretty poorly for it's shoddy charging speeds. 8-9k to add 60km+ extra range... Probably not worth it, but more worth £22 than the €34 original price

They are doing 3k eco upgrade so brand new Ioniq is just over 30k on the road. Its easy spend somebody else’s money but that seems better value than 26k for an imported 2019

McGiver · 13-03-2021 6:52am

slave1 wrote:

New battery on it's way for you so essentially a new car come end of the year given the interior and exterior of this car look excellent

Is that the one that catches fire?

Black_Knight · 13-03-2021 8:33am

McGiver wrote: »

Is that the one that catches fire?

Preheats, yes

McGiver · 13-03-2021 9:52am

Casati wrote:

They are doing 3k eco upgrade so brand new Ioniq is just over 30k on the road. Its easy spend somebody elseâ€™s money but that seems better value than 26k for an imported 2019

Do you have details?

Gumbo · 13-03-2021 10:56am

McGiver wrote: »

Is that the one that catches fire?

Just charge until 90% until the battery replacement is done. Sorted.

Casati · 13-03-2021 1:26pm

McGiver wrote: »

Do you have details?

Check out there website - it’s all there

cunnifferous · 13-03-2021 7:26pm

171 Ioniq for under 15k. Count as a bargain?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-full-electric-5dr-auto/27505993?campaign=3

unkel · 13-03-2021 8:16pm

It sure does! A full year's manufacturer's warranty left and 4 years on battery and drive train

Great car for relatively little money. I'd buy another in the morning if I were in the market for a second family car and my budget would stretch that far.

The lips · 13-03-2021 8:20pm

cunnifferous wrote: »

171 Ioniq for under 15k. Count as a bargain?

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/hyundai-ioniq-full-electric-5dr-auto/27505993?campaign=3

Leather heated seats in the description but not the photos, must e a dealer of sorts then?

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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