All things relating to Jordan Peterson

18-02-2021 11:38pm

The lucky male drone bee that gets to mate with the queen, leaves his penis in the queen then dies. Or we could look at the bonobo where women are in charge. I think looking at parallels between nature and humans is largely a waste of time. Humans are far, far more diverse in their behaviors for any rule that applied to lobsters or any other animal to carry much weight.

iptba · 19-02-2021 12:18am

iptba wrote: »

People who have read his book or some of his material may recall how he talks about male lobsters fighting for their place in a hierarchy. I was watching a nature documentary recently and they were talking about an animal like a big goat that lived in mountainous areas. With them, one male has lots of females at a time. Then there are lower-level males: they have fights and the narrator said that losing such a fight could mean never mating: even if they won, they weren't even at the stage of getting to mate.

And in lots of the documentaries, males of lots of different types of animals end up fighting to try to allow themselves mate.
Some can even die in the fights or after them and many get injured.

It does seem to come up quite a lot with different animals that a higher percentage of males than females don't get to mate.

Although humans can have differences to other animals, some of the same drives can apply. I could see the drive to try to ensure one gets to mate driving men to do, say, dangerous or otherwise unpleasant jobs.

With human data, there is evidence that more men than women didn't go on to be a parent of one or more children
e.g.

For much of human history, a greater proportion of women in the population reproduced relative to men, they found. This means "that even though there may be equal numbers of males and females in a population, a larger proportion of the females than the males are reproducing," Stoneking said.

https://www.livescience.com/47976-more-mothers-in-human-history.html

ancapailldorcha · 19-02-2021 12:53pm

iptba wrote: »

People who have read his book or some of his material may recall how he talks about male lobsters fighting for their place in a hierarchy. I was watching a nature documentary recently and they were talking about an animal like a big goat that lived in mountainous areas. With them, one male has lots of females at a time. Then there are lower-level males: they have fights and the narrator said that losing such a fight could mean never mating: even if they won, they weren't even at the stage of getting to mate.

And in lots of the documentaries, males of lots of different types of animals end up fighting to try to allow themselves mate.
Some can even die in the fights or after them and many get injured.

It does seem to come up quite a lot with different animals that a higher percentage of males than females don't get to mate.

Although humans can have differences to other animals, some of the same drives can apply. I could see the drive to try to ensure one gets to mate driving men to do, say, dangerous or otherwise unpleasant jobs.

Sure but you've made this point fairly succinctly. If I recall correctly, 12 rules details four stages of convention relating to lobster on lobster dispute resolution and combat. This goes on over multiple pages when a few sentences would have sufficed. This is largely representative of the rest of the book.

iptba · 19-02-2021 1:48pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Sure but you've made this point fairly succinctly. If I recall correctly, 12 rules details four stages of convention relating to lobster on lobster dispute resolution and combat. This goes on over multiple pages when a few sentences would have sufficed. This is largely representative of the rest of the book.

OK. I have only read the first chapter or so but I put that down to getting out of the habit of reading books.

Wibbs · 19-02-2021 2:04pm

iptba wrote: »

With human data, there is evidence that more men than women didn't go on to be a parent of one or more children
e.g.

You see this in the genes alright. More female lines than male. Mate competition could be part of that, but other factors like more men dying young because of hunting, war etc are in play too. I seem to recall when we started to settle down and farm this genetic difference started to narrow quite appreciably. Even though more men would still die younger on average. Though on the other side of that women's own longevity was affected before modern medicine came along. EG in ancient Rome married women of means would make their first will when they discovered they were pregnant. I seem to recall too that this genetic gender bias was present to different degrees in different populations across the world and varied with time too. As partyjungle notes humans have extremely diverse mating strategies which vary with time, culture and geography. Pick a strategy and type of mate selection and set up and humans have done it. It's one of our "killer apps" survival wise, along with things like an extremely diverse diet.

19-02-2021 2:09pm

Wibbs wrote: »

You see this in the genes alright. More female lines than male. Mate competition could be part of that, but other factors like more men dying young because of hunting, war etc are in play too. I seem to recall when we started to settle down and farm this genetic difference started to narrow quite appreciably.

This can be explained by the "one man one woman" social construct that came along with that. If you worked the land and property you needed children of your own. You couldn't expect one of the hundreds of kids sired by the local chief to become a lowly serf.

04-03-2021 4:39pm

Peterson's new book is out now. Anyone reading it? I have it in my reading pile here, working through the "12 Rules" book again first. My impression remains the same; there is nothing controversial, nor anything especially original, but most people will find something useful to take away. It is interesting.

I am not a worshiping disciple of Peterson in any sense, but if there was one piece of Peterson's work I would recommend wholeheartedly it would be his "Big 5" personality test. He and his associates have done some good legitimate work on this with the research behind it and I found it very useful, particularly in a practical sense, especially when compared with the more popular Myers-Briggs type tests.

Wibbs · 04-03-2021 4:58pm

Well Myers-Briggs is so bogus as to be a joke, with pretty much zero evidence for it or its results. It's about as accurate as a newspaper horoscope. So any alternative that was more rooted in clinical practice and research is to be welcomed alright.

04-03-2021 5:24pm

Wibbs wrote: »

Well Myers-Briggs is so bogus as to be a joke, with pretty much zero evidence for it or its results. It's about as accurate as a newspaper horoscope. So any alternative that was more rooted in clinical practice and research is to be welcomed alright.

It's worth the 10 dollars or so Wibbs, even just as something to do during lockdown, if it goes no further than that. Mileage may vary of course, but I found the report pretty accurately highlighted negative aspects of my personality in particular, as well as the more positive and middling. It also gives you a percentile position for each aspect.

https://www.understandmyself.com/

You can read his 2007 paper to see the research that some of this is based upon, its called 'Between Facets and Domains: 10 Aspects of the Big Five'. First result here: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=wL1F22UAAAAJ&hl=en

If you intend on doing the personality test, do not read the paper until after you completed the test.

mr.anonymous · 04-03-2021 7:44pm

My copy of Beyond Order: 12 More Rules for Life is arriving tomorrow

Harika · 04-03-2021 8:31pm

My general tipp for all those self help books, not Just JP, is to wait for a Ted talk or someone summarizing the book on YouTube. Saves you hours of your life as those books tend to be bloated to get the page numbers up.
Myers Briggs is how you see yourself, of course you idealise yourself. There are 360 reviews out there but those are 100 euro each and make only sense in a work environment with a department working together.

04-03-2021 8:45pm

Harika wrote: »

My general tipp for all those self help books, not Just JP, is to wait for a Ted talk or someone summarizing the book on YouTube. Saves you hours of your life as those books tend to be bloated to get the page numbers up. .

Most of what they're publishing is a rehash of what's already been published elsewhere.

The point is interpretation, and how they describe it. For example, I can't stand Tony Robbins.. the way he describes, and explores topics, just bores me to tears. I can't establish any kind of connection with him.. probably due to that very american style of his. Whereas I've quite enjoyed some of Eckhart Tolle talks.. some is meh, but overall very interesting, and I can appreciate his pov better.

Different authors provide a gateway for individuals to appreciate the information they already have in a dozen other similar books on their bookshelf. Few of them are original, like say, Malcolm Gladwell's, Blink.

While I enjoy some of Petersons ideas about social change, and feminism... I find his perspective on personal development to be decidedly unoriginal.. There's just nothing special about what he writes.

As for getting page numbers up, personal development books tend to be on the slim side. The word format is usually larger, and the books themselves slimmer than a novel, or any similar non-fiction literature.

05-03-2021 5:48pm

Peterson, with his interest in archetypes, would probably say "that's the point" when accused of lack of originality. I think he presents it well, and in an interesting way.

Invidious · 22-03-2021 11:44am

Has anyone read Dr Peterson's "Beyond Order"? Curious to know if it's worth buying.

iptba · 05-09-2021 1:33pm

How Women select Men (Natural Selection) - Jordan Peterson https://youtu.be/H3z8kIZmzk8 (5 minutes)

iptba · 01-12-2021 2:48pm

I see that "Jordan Peterson" is trending on Irish Twitter. I think it was prompted by this announcement of his talk in the 3 Arena next September.

https://twitter.com/aikenpromotions/status/1465968924026048515

Dufflecoat Fanny · 14-12-2021 11:12am

ya but the tickets on sale are crap atm. Blocks K M and L only for sale. 76 quid

Dufflecoat Fanny · 14-12-2021 11:13am

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118318820#Comment_118318820

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31-01-2022 8:20am

Did anyone here watch Peterson's recent appearance on JRE? It went on for 4 hours. I didn't enjoy it very much because it focused on the more esoteric, Biblical side of Peterson's work, which I have always found absurd or, to be polite, not quite as profound and consequential as he makes it out to be.

I also thought he was a little too ingratiating and emotional, and man did he monologue (while ironically referring to the redemptive nature of his supposed dialogue with Joe).

Dufflecoat Fanny · 11-09-2022 9:40pm

Couldn't get parking anywhere near the gig. Dublin city is a complete joke. had to go home

iptba · 11-09-2022 10:24pm

I saw on social media today (he was trending on Twitter) he was photographed with Cristiano Ronaldo

12-09-2022 9:12am

Don't see anything written anywhere about his appearance in Dublin yet. Wonder was there anything interesting in it at all?

His recent appearance on Lex Friedman felt a little more listenable than his slightly less recent appearance on JRE. But again nothing really all that interesting or new or stand out about it.

iptba · 18-09-2022 3:34am

Katharine Birbalsingh @Miss_Snuffy

I tweeted photos of Jordan Peterson’s visit to Michaela*. Like this one.

They reported me to the police for hate crime.

Many pleas to Ofsted for an immediate inspection.

Cries of safeguarding concerns.

Demands for my removal as Head.

But they deny cancel culture exists.

https://twitter.com/Miss_Snuffy/status/1571056735150026761

*That's a school

Dufflecoat Fanny · 18-09-2022 3:16pm

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/119606306#Comment_119606306

Only review I could find about the Dublin gig. It's Gript so beware.

https://gript.ie/jordan-peterson-received-a-resounding-cead-mile-failte-at-the-3-arena/

05-01-2023 3:15pm

He just did this video with Chloe Chole who's detransitioned. It's a tough watch but it's nice to see him back "in his lane" in more of a therapist capacity, it's where he is at his best IMO.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O3MzPeomqs

On that same note, his daughter has posted that the Canadian Association of Psychologists are threatening to take away his license because of a few tweets. He's said he won't partake in the media retraining and review process they want him to do.

Harika · 12-03-2023 3:24pm

I love that the most important thinker of our generation reposts fetish porn thinking it is a CCP breeding program.

Enjoy on your own risk at the platform managed by the other stable genius.

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