What do you think of this

fergal.b · 15-12-2012 8:34pm #1

I have a chance to pick up this for a few quid I think it's an ENCO it's old but has had an easy life, would it be worth getting.
Cheers.

woodturner · 15-12-2012 9:59pm

Will parts be readily available if something gives???

jack of all · 16-12-2012 7:34am

I'd definitely go for it if you have the space. My father had a very similar machine, I believe it was an "Incra". There's very little can go wrong, from memory my dad had to replace one bearing in his machine, wouldn't cost more than €20- 30 for that part. A bit of steel wool and some nylon scourers would bring the tables up very nicely.

recipio · 16-12-2012 1:15pm

If you don't already own a tablesaw and planer it might make sense. Its for small work only. Be prepared for a lotta cleaning up and re-jigging things.If its an Inca the quality will be good.

fergal.b · 16-12-2012 1:24pm

I'd like to restore it back to it's former glory just as a little project and then use it for my boatbuilding projects nothing too big

I'm very tight for space so I have no table saw but if I get this cheep it might be worth keeping outside and covering it up when not in use.

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recipio · 16-12-2012 6:22pm

Fergal, don't forget thicknessing - does it do that ? Lastly, life is a lot easier with a mitre saw instead of crosscutting on a saw like that.

slpower01 · 16-12-2012 6:27pm

That looks like the type of item that if restored and sat on for 10-20 years could be worth quite a lot!!... looks like a vintage tool!

fergal.b · 16-12-2012 6:41pm

He said it also has a mortiser on it and that the one motor can be moved between the plane and the saw, I don't know anything about them but if it's old I think it would look nice done up. I'll go and have a look at it tomorrow and if it's worth doing up I might start a post on the restoration like I did with the Evinrude in the link below, It should be a pice of cake compared that

Double Barrel · 16-12-2012 9:06pm

Fergal
If the price is right .... BUY IT.
It is a INCA, looking at the photo, it has a mortiser on the right side and a support table. The jointer/planer- thicknesser is a combination if memory serves.
The saw may be a tilt table and not a tilt arbor.

http://www.ukworkshop.co.uk/forums/inca-table-saw-restoration-t35555.html

fergal.b · 16-12-2012 9:41pm

That looks like it alright, thanks for the link:) I might have to join up if I do get and after seeing that I think I will it looks the business

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fergal.b · 17-12-2012 3:16pm

Well I went and had a look but his idea of a few quid was a bit different to mine:eek: he started at €200 and I started €20

It's the same as this one but is missing a few bits and pieces like the plane guard and the legs of the table are rotten, I'm not too sure if it worth the effort to restore it. He has to have it gone within the next few weeks as he is selling the house so I'll see what happens as it's gets closer to the time.

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slpower01 · 17-12-2012 4:34pm

€200 still isnt too bad for a thicknesser, morticer and table saw

bette · 17-12-2012 5:56pm

Had one of these years ago! It came with diagrams for making up the bench stand and that is the one in the photo. If you have the planer/thicknesser and the saw,it's a breeze to make the bench!

Well worth €200.

Parts are available from Switzerland. Their price list is in German but a phone call will get you all the info you need. They speak English...

http://inca.ch/v1.x/index.php

jack of all · 17-12-2012 8:57pm

Just checked with my dad, the machine was of course an "Inca" as per the photos above. Lovely little machine they are; my father's one was fitted to a home made bench. If you can get it at the right price it's certainly worth a punt. I was offered the machine years ago but had to pass on it as I didn't have the time to do a restore on it back then. If offered it now things would be different!

recipio · 19-12-2012 1:50pm

It should have the manufacturers badge on it somewhere. Inca are high end makers but there is an Austrian company called EMCO who made great wookworking tools in the 1980's. They now concentrate on metalworking lathes etc. Either way its probably worth 200e - where will you find another. ?!

fergal.b · 19-12-2012 2:06pm

It is an INCA for sure he made a mistake thinking it was EMCO but I saw the stamp on the saw cover and on a red plate. I might offer him €100 and see what he says

faithful chippie · 19-12-2012 10:13pm

100euro is alright, i wouldnt go for it but suit yourself.

if you are going doing a resto, look up electrolysis for cleaning the rust off it, wouldnt really like to clean that with wire wool ar scouring pads or whatever the other lad was saying.

jack of all · 20-12-2012 2:39pm

I've used electrolysis for plenty of tool restorations in the past and it's not worth the hassle of set up in a lot of cases, unless there is serious rust involved. Nothing wrong with fine steel wool (00 or 000 grade) or nylon scouring pads IMHO, it's easy check on progress as you go.

fergal.b · 20-12-2012 3:42pm

When I did the outboard I used vapour blasting and it came out very well it also won't damage any seals or bearings.

fergal.b · 30-12-2012 2:46pm

Well I ended up getting it for free as he didn't want the hassle of moving it and putting it in storage. Good things come to those who wait

She is in a bit of a state:eek: but I think she is worth giving a new life:)

slpower01 · 30-12-2012 4:35pm

Wow a lovely item to get for free, even if you have to spend 100 on new fences etc it is well worth the investment

dying to see what its like all restored!!

jack of all · 01-01-2013 6:22pm

Great score, well done!

Double Barrel · 02-01-2013 7:18pm

It looks like it will clean up well and if the Evinrude is a indicator it will finish up looking as new.

Good luck and Happy New Year.

fergal.b · 02-01-2013 8:12pm

Cheers guys.
Well I started to strip it down today, I'm in two minds whether to build a new table as two of the legs had been cut off

plus it has a lot of dings and a bit of woodworm:eek: or I might just fix it up a bit and leave some of the battle scars for character

as it will still be used as a working tool.

recipio · 03-01-2013 1:01pm

I'd screw/dowel on the missing leg bits and treat for woodworm. Is the machine a canditate for vapour cleaning like the Evenrude ?

fergal.b · 03-01-2013 1:21pm

Most of the aluminium is not painted so I won't go with vapour blasting just buff it up, the saw table is cast iron so that should scrub up ok and the paint work on the rest is not that bad and might just need a clean and touch up. I will be stripping the motor and repainting it as some of it is flaking of it's made of steel so I will sand blast that primer and paint, as for the legs I'm thinking of cutting the other two off :eek: and fitting locking casters this will bring the level of the saw table to the same height as my work mate so it will be handy for cutting long lengths.

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fergal.b · 06-01-2013 1:08pm

I was having a hard time finding a cover for the planer so I called up the guy and asked him to keep an eye out for any aluminium parts that he thinks might belong to the machine so yesterday he called me to say he had a box of stuff for me to collect

most of the stuff was just crap but I did get these including the guard so I'm trilled with that

Also in the box was this stanley plane I have no idea what it's for but it's looks cool

Odelay · 06-01-2013 1:20pm

That Stanley No. 45 plane is kinda like a cordless router!

Have a look here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLuFKPeFpQQ

fergal.b · 07-01-2013 9:27pm

Well the motor is not looking the best :eek:but after I rewire it and get the spiders out it should be fine

it had been painted with hammerite mid green so I think I will do that instead of looking for original paint.

galwaydude18 · 07-01-2013 9:29pm

fergal.b wrote: »

Well the motor is not looking the best :eek:but after I rewire it and get the spiders out it should be fine it had been painted with hammerite mid green so I think I will do that instead of looking for original paint.

Ya it's fairly rough looking alright! I wouldn't know where to start in re wiring it

slpower01 · 07-01-2013 10:51pm

Would a new motor be out of the question?? as you didnt have to pay for the machine itself... buying a new durable motor might give it a better kick?? just an idea.

fergal.b · 08-01-2013 9:26am

slpower01 wrote: »

Would a new motor be out of the question?? as you didnt have to pay for the machine itself... buying a new durable motor might give it a better kick?? just an idea.

It's more about the challenge of bring an old machine back to life for me "and the lack of funds":D

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slpower01 · 08-01-2013 6:59pm

True ... might as well try to fix it if its possible

... im looking forward to seeing the finished project!

recipio · 09-01-2013 11:53am

Fergal, that looks like an induction motor to me so no need ( in fact impossible ) to re- wire. !
A good clean out, new bearings and lubrication should do it. ? Nice project. I don't think you can thickness with that planer ?

fergal.b · 09-01-2013 12:30pm

I didn't mean the armature :eek:

just the internal connecting wires that are a bit brittle.I was surprised to see the motor was made in Ireland I'm not sure if it was replaced or if the kits were sent out without motors.

The thicknesser part looks like this and fits on the planer, the chap is still looking for it in his shed

This one was on Adverts. http://www.adverts.ie/machinery-tools/inca-thicknesser/2090972
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richiek67 · 09-01-2013 3:47pm

My dad has the same saw though without the thicknesser. Has the original belt too. Though its looking a bit long in the tooth. So is the saw...lol
Hes had it about 40 years!

fergal.b · 19-01-2013 6:54pm

Sanded down the table and put a new bit of marine ply on top. Now to give it a coat of epoxy and a few of varnish, it's too bloody cold outside so I had to sneak it into the shower

jack of all · 19-01-2013 8:15pm

Looks great Fergal, the table frame looks very light in colour, cleaned up really well!

deandean · 24-01-2013 12:35pm

My old man has one of those, Inca saw + planer without the mortiser, he bought it about 35 years ago and it's still running great. It has cut a lot of wood in 35 years.

The only gripe he has, is that the table tilts and not the blade, so it's a bit of an exercise doing angled cuts.

It's all-alloy IIRC so it's fairly lightweight, you could make the table mobile so it can be wheeled around.

fergal.b · 28-01-2013 8:45pm

Well she''s back in business

Alun · 28-01-2013 9:17pm

Excellent work, you've clearly got a knack for restoring battered old machinery!

slpower01 · 28-01-2013 9:36pm

How much are you going to sell it for :P... such a difference ha, so jealous!
Whats it like to use??

fergal.b · 28-01-2013 10:04pm

slpower01 wrote: »

How much are you going to sell it for :P... such a difference ha, so jealous!
Whats it like to use??

Make me an offer i can't refuse

I'm not sure what to do with yet,it will be left outside under a cover for the moment. There are a few more bits and pieces to do on it and I want to change the switch to a proper on / off switch.
I will have to wait till the weather picks up to give her a good go,I have never used a mortiser before so that should be fun

slpower01 · 29-01-2013 1:23am

Grab some rough 2x4 plane it down and make a mortice and tenon door as a small project

.. I would love something like this but the only thing im missing is the planer/thicknesser (next purchase)...

recipio · 31-01-2013 2:25pm

Great job and I love the authentic colour scheme. !

jack of all · 31-01-2013 2:57pm

Great job, you turned that one around pretty quickly, well done!

richiek67 · 01-02-2013 12:03pm

holy S***, thats a great bloody job. How did you get the main body looking so new? My old man of 92 has one . The pulley came off but he managed to sort it. The belt looks as though it could be changed for a new one. Any ideas.?

You did a great job though. My wife would have my skin if she saw my projects in the house ...lol

Are you going to sell it?

Sorry if these questions were asked?

Rich

fergal.b · 01-02-2013 1:09pm

Thanks Rich:D

1) lots of sanding

2) I got the belts in Halfords I think the small one was a 1300 and the bigger one a 1500 if your not sure just bring the old one to any motor factors.

3) She can still smell the varnish and probably will for the rest of my life

4) Every thing is for sale

I might just use it to finish off the boat I'm building at the moment then sell it on or I might build another boat

richiek67 · 01-02-2013 9:01pm

Sounds good.

I build the model boats. Well, I did for about 20 years but haven't build one in 2 years now. I prefer the furniture. I always liked the idea of building a full size speed boat though. I would if I lived near water, but unfortunately I don't.
I guess I should, it would be like a piece of furniture that could run on water..lol:p
Thanks for the tip on the belt. He'd be thrilled to get a new one I'd say.

Your boat must be nearly finished. I saw the photos, last summer was it? It looked done...

Cheers

R

fergal.b · 01-02-2013 9:17pm

The boat is covered over till the weather picks up a bit so not much work done I'm just collecting bits and pieces for the next stage.
I still use my other bit of furniture

all over Ireland so not living beside the water won't be a problem if you do want to build one

richiek67 · 02-02-2013 2:58pm

It looks fantastic I have to say, fair play, as Ronan would say...lol;)

O love the whole style too, nice to see the real wood on a boat. I love the old ketches and sailing yachts of time gone by. They look very
classy I have to say.

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