Airport alert as lethal coronavirus on our doorstep

TuringBot47 · 24-01-2020 5:24pm

During the SARS crisis they built a new hospital in one week.
They're racing to build a new 1,000-bed hospital in just six days, beginning on Thursday night.

Can we not get these guys to build the new Childrens hospital in Dublin ?
And maybe a couple more for good measure ?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/24/coronavirus-chinese-hospitals-in-chaos-as-lockdown-spreads-to-affect-25m-people

In the city of Wuhan, where most cases have occurred, the race to build a new 1,000-bed hospital in just six days began on Thursday night. Diggers and bulldozers beginning work on the site of a holiday complex once intended for local workers, according to Chinese media.

The hospital, which is due to open next week, is similar to those established in Beijing in 2003, when the city faced a Sars outbreak that killed almost 800 people and reached nearly 30 countries.

During that crisis, 7,000 workers in Beijing built the Xiaotangshan hospital in its northern suburbs in just a week. Within two months, it treated one-seventh of all the country’s Sars patients, the Changjiang Daily said.

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“It created a miracle in the history of medical science,” the paper added. It said the new Wuhan hospital “is to solve the shortage of existing medical resources”.

ohnonotgmail · 24-01-2020 5:28pm

TuringBot47 wrote: »

During the SARS crisis they built a new hospital in one week.
They're racing to build a new 1,000-bed hospital in just six days, beginning on Thursday night.

Can we not get these guys to build the new Childrens hospital in Dublin ?
And maybe a couple more for good measure ?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/24/coronavirus-chinese-hospitals-in-chaos-as-lockdown-spreads-to-affect-25m-people

Built in 6 days, on the verge of collapse after 6 years. Not known for building quality over there.

dk1982 · 24-01-2020 5:31pm

TuringBot47 wrote: »

During the SARS crisis they built a new hospital in one week.
They're racing to build a new 1,000-bed hospital in just six days, beginning on Thursday night.

Can we not get these guys to build the new Childrens hospital in Dublin ?
And maybe a couple more for good measure ?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/24/coronavirus-chinese-hospitals-in-chaos-as-lockdown-spreads-to-affect-25m-people

Yeah fly the lads in from Wuhan immediately to build the hospital. What could go wrong!?

_Brian · 24-01-2020 5:59pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Built in 6 days, on the verge of collapse after 6 years. Not known for building quality over there.

TuringBot47 wrote: »

During the SARS crisis they built a new hospital in one week.
They're racing to build a new 1,000-bed hospital in just six days, beginning on Thursday night.

Can we not get these guys to build the new Childrens hospital in Dublin ?
And maybe a couple more for good measure ?

https://www.theguardian.com/science/2020/jan/24/coronavirus-chinese-hospitals-in-chaos-as-lockdown-spreads-to-affect-25m-people

Its probably a modular field hospital sort of thing..

Duke of Url · 24-01-2020 6:09pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Built in 6 days, on the verge of collapse after 6 years. Not known for building quality over there.

We are also not known for building quality.

robindch · 25-01-2020 12:04am

TheBoyConor wrote: »

Same with swine flu. A load of bollox.

Swine flu was sorted out by a bunch of airborne rabbis back in the day. Turns out all you have to do is go up in a plane and blow into a ram's horn, swing your bonce back and forth and shout into a telephone. Easy as pie.

Not sure what the cure for Coronavirus is. Maybe you've to whistle loudly or something.

I'm sure that research theologians in Riyadh, Rome and Jerusalem are working hard on the problem anyway.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jp753Xzb1Y

enricoh · 25-01-2020 12:09am

Will it affect tourism much I wonder?
Foot n mouth was a disaster iirc, will the Yanks opt for a staycation this year?

scotchy · 25-01-2020 12:25am

The US has confirmed its second case. Its a woman who arrived from Wohan on the 13th of Jan, That's 11 days ago. This has a bit more to run I think.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-confirms-coronavirus-case-chicago-dozens-under-investigation

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NIMAN · 25-01-2020 12:29am

Duke of Url wrote: »

This is a joke

Irish Independent Headline

Belfast Telegraph Headline

Gotta keep the minions scared though. Why let facts get in the way of a terrifying story?

Earlier on the radio news, when the virus was their No1 story, they said a man was being checked out in a Dublin hospital for symptoms too, but was found not to have the virus. So why even mention it?

irishrover99 · 25-01-2020 12:44am

scotchy wrote: »

The US has confirmed its second case. Its a woman who arrived from Wohan on the 13th of Jan, That's 11 days ago. This has a bit more to run I think.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/cdc-confirms-coronavirus-case-chicago-dozens-under-investigation

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Yeah I wonder if fox will report on the 6600 deaths in the US this flu season. Figures released by the CDC on the 22 January.

Asitis2019 · 25-01-2020 12:51am

Bryce Numerous Comedy wrote: »

Remember when Ebola was going to kill us all? Or SARS? Or Swine Flu? Mass hysteria as usual and the media are loving it. Wait until this illness becomes boring and you won't hear anything more about it. Live your life, relax and don't believe the sensationalist nonsense out there..

Except, these diseases did kill many people

Just because you live on an island, don't think it can't happen

Read Robin Cook's 1997 book on Ebola - trust me, you won't sleep

NIMAN · 25-01-2020 12:55am

irishrover99 wrote: »

Yeah I wonder if fox will report on the 6600 deaths in the US this flu season. Figures released by the CDC on the 22 January.

Of course not, doesn't fit the narrative.

Same as Ireland's 84 flu deaths this winter.

Feisar · 25-01-2020 1:20am

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Except, these diseases did kill many people

Just because you live on an island, don't think it can't happen

Read Robin Cook's 1997 book on Ebola - trust me, you won't sleep

See the posts above and below yours, standard flu is killing way more people.

Cheerful Spring2 · 25-01-2020 1:50am

If this got out and spread across the world, it be a killer. China admits to 1000 infected, 41 dead. It not the way to do it, but just for argument- 10,000 got infected in a small town that'll be over 400 death people. In a country like Ireland that could cause thousands of deaths.

People fear China lowballing the number of people dying from this virus, and still unclear if this unnecessary panic and they have under control and Social media overreacting.

We still have not got a breakdown of the ages of people dying and their medical condition after this virus started spreading in last week to two weeks.

Lets hope, this not some virus that somehow escaped from one of those Biolabs in Wuhan?

Pretzill · 25-01-2020 2:09am

This isn't something you can draw parrallel's with when it comes to any countries flu outbreak - we lose 100's here every year from flu but it mainly kills groups of people who already have depleted immune systems. By the looks of it this strain of Coronavirus could doesn't care of you're formally healthy or not...it doesn't discriminate.

Hopefully it will be contained that is getting harder to do these days

Graces7 · 25-01-2020 8:14am

Apart from the rampant NIMBY ism here, are old folk suddenly dispensable?

The authorities are 100% right to take all possible precautions. They know what they are doing and why.

ohnonotgmail · 25-01-2020 7:00pm

Feisar wrote: »

See the posts above and below yours, standard flu is killing way more people.

In absolute terms it is but only because the new virus hasn't spread all around the world the same way flu has. The more intelligent thing to ask is what is the fatality rate of the virus compared to the flu and how contagious is it compared to the flu. If it has a higher fatality rate and/or it is more contagious then we should be worried.

25-01-2020 11:14pm

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Airport alert as lethal coronavirus on our doorstep, Belfast patient in isolation
Symptoms: Chinese man had travelled from Wuhan, now in isolation in Belfast hospital
Five other patients were being tested for the virus in Scotland
Safety measures stepped up in the Republic as hospitals, GPs and the ambulance service were issued with guidelines

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/airport-alert-as-lethal-coronavirus-on-our-doorstep-belfast-patient-in-isolation-38891044.html?token=1767156484

No security measures in Dublin Airport. I flew in from Xi'an on Wednesday night arriving on Thursday morning at 10 am. Not one check in Xi'an, Istanbul, or Dublin.

ldy4mxonucwsq6 · 25-01-2020 11:35pm

Asitis2019 wrote: »

Read Robin Cook's 1997 book on Ebola - trust me, you won't sleep

Do you know the title, would be interested in reading but he seems to have a few different ones. Is it Outbreak?

Delta2113 · 27-01-2020 12:21am

This is going to be a big story - every person passes on to 2.5 people.

The incubation period can vary from one to 14 days, with a typical duration of about 10 days.

This could be an election issue if we start getting cases.

smelly sock · 27-01-2020 12:23am

Bryce Numerous Comedy wrote: »

Remember when Ebola was going to kill us all? Or SARS? Or Swine Flu? Mass hysteria as usual and the media are loving it. Wait until this illness becomes boring and you won't hear anything more about it. Live your life, relax and don't believe the sensationalist nonsense out there..

Big pharma generally create the hysteria. HIV and cancer cures and vaccines are available. It doesnt serve their interests though.

smelly sock · 27-01-2020 12:26am

Am i correct in saying this will be only an issue for people with compromised immune systems?

For the population of china and the current death rate id assume the common flu etc has killed more over there in the last week.

alchemist33 · 27-01-2020 12:29am

smelly sock wrote: »

Big pharma generally create the hysteria. HIV and cancer cures and vaccines are available. It doesnt serve their interests though.

If some drug company has a vaccine for cancer, they'd become extremely rich. It doesn't serve their interests to hide it.

Eric Cartman · 27-01-2020 12:31am

alchemist33 wrote: »

If some drug company has a vaccine for cancer, they'd become extremely rich. It doesn't serve their interests to hide it.

+1 steve jobs would not have died and some pharma exec would be worth 10 billion quid handy.

smelly sock · 27-01-2020 12:31am

alchemist33 wrote: »

If some drug company has a vaccine for cancer, they'd become extremely rich. It doesn't serve their interests to hide it.

Unless theyd make more from treatment.

ILoveYourVibes · 27-01-2020 1:36am

Honestly we should put countries in quarantine with a travel ban until its sorted.

NIMAN · 27-01-2020 1:54am

Surely being a small island nation with a limited number of entry points it should be (relatively) easy to control people coming in?
Maybe I am being naive?

Duke of Url · 27-01-2020 1:58am

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Honestly we should put countries in quarantine with a travel ban until its sorted.

Exactly. Close our borders. Nobody allowed on or off our Island incase either a foreigner or one of our own arrives with it.

27-01-2020 2:13am

NIMAN wrote: »

Surely being a small island nation with a limited number of entry points it should be (relatively) easy to control people coming in?
Maybe I am being naive?

Considering that I, and many other Irish people (I personally know four other Irish people who returned), along with Chinese nationals have already arrived in Ireland from China within the last week or so.... it might be a bit late...

Spring festival is a popular time for Irish people living in China to return home for a holiday.

But I can't imagine it would be too difficult to do... although it might make more sense to actually start screening arrivals..

Hamsterchops · 27-01-2020 7:28am

Dealz.ie/ Safety dust mask (filtered) X 2 pack €1.50.

Might buy a few packets and start wearing thrm on the Dart if things get much worse

RebelButtMunch · 27-01-2020 8:37am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Dealz.ie/ Safety dust mask (filtered) X 2 pack €1.50.

Might buy a few packets and start wearing thrm on the Dart if things get much worse

Much worse in China and you're going to wear a mask on the dart?
Or much worse here considering we've no cases?

smelly sock · 27-01-2020 9:05am

smelly sock wrote: »

Am i correct in saying this will be only an issue for people with compromised immune systems?

For the population of china and the current death rate id assume the common flu etc has killed more over there in the last week.

This above.

Hamsterchops · 27-01-2020 10:00am

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

Much worse in China and you're going to wear a mask on the dart?
Or much worse here considering we've no cases?

No, I meant much worse if it comes over here, in which case I probably won't be alone in wearing one in public areas.

circadian · 27-01-2020 10:01am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

No, I meant much worse if it comes over here.

Those face masks will do nothing for you.

RebelButtMunch · 27-01-2020 10:24am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

No, I meant much worse if it comes over here, in which case I probably won't be alone in wearing one in public areas.

How can it be much worse here? It's not even existing over here!

Hamsterchops · 27-01-2020 10:43am

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

How can it be much worse here? It's not even existing over here!

I know it's a Monday morning so things are slow

If the outbreak gets much worse on a Worldwide basis and comes over here to Ireland (and gets serious), then I might buy a face mask to help me resist inhaling the airborne virus (on the Dart) for example. Millions of people in China & other countries are wearing face masks to try and stop the spread.

Is that any clearer?

Duke of Url · 27-01-2020 10:51am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

Millions of people in China & other countries are wearing face masks to try and stop the spread.

Is that any clearer?

Whats the success rate of not catching it when using the mask?

Hamsterchops · 27-01-2020 10:55am

I doubt there are stats.

Millions of people in Asia wearing them as a precaution, can they all be misled or wrong?

I'm guessing a paper dust mask would provide some protection. Maybe goggles too?

27-01-2020 10:55am

It is fairly obvious that BigFaceMask are behind this.

VinLieger · 27-01-2020 10:57am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I know it's a Monday morning so things are slow

If the outbreak gets much worse on a Worldwide basis and comes over here to Ireland (and gets serious), then I might buy a face mask to help me resist inhaling the airborne virus (on the Dart) for example. Millions of people in China & other countries are wearing face masks to try and stop the spread.

Is that any clearer?

Add a set of goggles to your list as its just as possible to be infected via your eys as it is your mouth, just wearing a face mask really doesn't reduce infection chance at all.

bren2001 · 27-01-2020 11:00am

Hamsterchops wrote: »

I doubt there are stats.

Millions of people in Asia wearing them as a precaution, can they all be misled or wrong?

I'm guessing a paper face mask would provide some protection. Maybe goggles too?

They are indeed all wrong but they are not being misled, they're told it's effectively useless. The N95 mask prevents inhaling particles as small as 0.3 microns in size. The corona-virus is 0.12 microns in diameter i.e. the holes in the mask are a little over twice the size of the virus itself.

The main reason people in China wear masks is air pollution. The have an air pollution forecast in the same way we have a weather forecast. Obviously, a second reason they wear it is to stop the spread of viruses but it is ineffective against the corona-virus.

circadian · 27-01-2020 11:06am

Apparently surgical masks are much more effective than the N95 masks that people are using.

Duke of Url · 27-01-2020 11:06am

VinLieger wrote: »

Add a set of goggles to your list as its just as possible to be infected via your eys as it is your mouth, just wearing a face mask really doesn't reduce infection chance at all.

Might as well go full wack

RebelButtMunch · 27-01-2020 11:46am

circadian wrote: »

Apparently surgical masks are much more effective than the N95 masks that people are using.

I thought that *usually* the people wearing masks are the one's that are under the weather and are trying to stop spreading whatever they have.

Fakediamond · 27-01-2020 11:52am

I heard an epidemiologist on channel 4 news saying he’s never been more concerned about a virus. He said China will do a good job in containing it there because they use authoritarian means to control their population, but he’s not so confident about other countries being successful in containing it once it spreads beyond China.

Oh, and those masks are of no use whatsoever. The only way to avoid it is to stay home, close schools etc. obviously that only becomes necessary when it starts to spread in a population. Best to stock up the freezer just in case

smelly sock · 27-01-2020 11:56am

How many of the 1.386 billion people in china are infected or have been killed?

circadian · 27-01-2020 12:02pm

RebelButtMunch wrote: »

I thought that *usually* the people wearing masks are the one's that are under the weather and are trying to stop spreading whatever they have.

Generally yes it's more a case of someone not wanting to spread their cold or whatever. It's not a bad idea but thinking it'll stop you from getting this virus or others is misguided.

4068ac1elhodqr · 27-01-2020 12:06pm

smelly sock wrote: »

How many of the 1.386 billion people in china are infected or have been killed?

2% (maybe slightly higher) fatality rate (still too early so be certain on this).
With a daily increase of 150% or 1.5 figure (official figures from state gov, so add some salt). So lets do the maths to calculate.

2000
3000 (end of yesterday)
4500 expected at end of today
6750
10125
15187
22781
34170
51257
76886 for this time next Monday...

VinLieger · 27-01-2020 12:17pm

Jayden Hollow Sarcasm wrote: »

2% (maybe slightly higher) fatality rate (still too early so be certain on this).
With a daily increase of 150% or 1.5 figure (official figures from state gov, so add some salt). So lets do the maths to calculate.

2000
3000 (end of yesterday)
4500 expected at end of today
6750
10125
15187
22781
34170
51257
76886 for this time next Monday...

The current theoretical infectious figure is actually 2.5

De Danann · 27-01-2020 12:24pm

I read somewhere that the cotton masks are pretty useless. The surgical masks are a little better but supposedly their main benefit is to reduce the amount of contact your hands have with your face.

We touch our faces on average just over 3 times per hour. The mask reduces the amount of germs being spread between our face and objects/others around us because our hands aren't directly touching our noses/mouth as often.

Airport alert as lethal coronavirus on our doorstep

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