This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

icom · 20-11-2020 7:00pm

graememk wrote: »

The Ionic ad is gone, Did anyone get it?

Same, it must be bought !

unkel · 20-11-2020 7:27pm

graememk wrote: »

The Ionic ad is gone, Did anyone get it?

According to my inside information, someone in here might have got it

NIMAN · 20-11-2020 9:45pm

Fair play if someone in here got it.
They got a bargain.

Black_Knight · 20-11-2020 10:25pm

Delighted if that's the case. Think that's my good deed of the week there.

Black_Knight · 20-11-2020 10:28pm

unkel wrote: »

According to my inside information, someone in here might have got it

Wait, wasn't there someone here recently in the wanted thread/ioniq thread/some EV thread wanting an ioniq? Totally forgot about them until now.

21-11-2020 12:50am

Swing and a Miss here

Old diesel · 22-11-2020 11:02pm

I think I saw that silver Ioniq and dismissed it as suspiciously cheap.

18 to 21 k seems to be where 2017 Ioniqs are at these days.

Mind you I tend to be weary of stuff from dealers I don't know about.

I tend to pay attention to stuff from people like Phil Fitzgerald or from long enough established main dealers.

Feeling inclined to buy into a Zoe Ze50 with CCS when my birthday comes around in Sept.

Edit - for context Ioniq and Zoe are on my shortlist to buy. Still not sure what mileage to jump into the Ioniq bandwagon at.

Black_Knight · 23-11-2020 7:24am

So was it anyone here that got it? Or even viewed it?

Kramer · 23-11-2020 9:33am

Old diesel wrote: »

18 to 21 k seems to be where 2017 Ioniqs are at these days.

No way a 2017 Ioniq will make €21k.
Ioniqs have dropped a lot in value, now that there's far more competition & accessible, longer range cars, like the ID.3, Peugeots etc. 2nd hand 64kWh Konas are appearing, near enough €30k too.

https://www.electricautos.ie/vehicles/hyundai/ioniq/kildare/2697310

€18k from a reputable dealer so a non metallic 2017, in a private sale I reckon is worth €16/17k these days.

NIMAN · 23-11-2020 10:01am

Jez, the Ioniq doesn't look a pretty car in that advert.
Its like something from 10 or 15 years ago.

unkel · 23-11-2020 10:35am

Kramer wrote: »

Ioniqs have dropped a lot in value

Kramer wrote: »

€18k from a reputable dealer

All cars depreciate. Retaining 70% of it's value after almost 4 years is exceptionally good for a family car though. No other similar size car in the market depreciates this little.

Bought mine brand new for just over 25k, sold 3 years later for just under 20k

Black_Knight · 23-11-2020 10:36am

unkel wrote: »

All cars depreciate. Retaining 70% of it's value after almost 4 years is exceptionally good for a family car though. No other similar size car in the market depreciates this little.

Bought mine brand new for just over 25k, sold 3 years later for just under 20k

25k is the exception, rather than the rule of what the selling price was. More like 60% of their value now after 3-4 years

unkel · 23-11-2020 10:44am

Mine was near 80% after 3 years. But even at 60% after 4 years, that is really good. I'd say the Ioniq is the lowest depreciating family size budget car of them all.

Black_Knight · 23-11-2020 10:51am

unkel wrote: »

Mine was near 80% after 3 years. But even at 60% after 4 years, that is really good. I'd say the Ioniq is the lowest depreciating family size budget car of them all.

We'll see what 2021 does to them in a couple of months. Depreciation should slow down on them now.

unkel · 23-11-2020 10:59am

In fairness pretty much all EVs have low depreciation compared to similar petrol / diesel cars. Even overpriced ones like the €39k Kona. Took a big hit of about €9k depreciation in the first year, but should really slow down now with no more than about €3-4k per year for the next few years

jhegarty · 25-11-2020 10:43am

https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/new/5YJ3190_f02fb98d9faa77a664e86a2e19a7b8c5

€ 45,342 for a 2020 Model 3. That a discount of €1,440 for anyone who likes chrome and doesn't like heat pumps.

unkel · 25-11-2020 10:54am

And who doesn't mind a white car. I don't care about chrome or heat pumps, but that's a big ask

unkel · 25-11-2020 11:02am

They also have 2 * Model 3 Performance for €64k and €65k. That's pretty decent value for a BMW M3 beating car, which costs many tens of thousands more to buy and many, many thousands more per year to run and maintain

CoBo55 · 25-11-2020 11:58pm

jhegarty wrote: »

https://www.tesla.com/en_IE/new/5YJ3190_f02fb98d9faa77a664e86a2e19a7b8c5

€ 45,342 for a 2020 Model 3. That a discount of €1,440 for anyone who likes chrome and doesn't like heat pumps.

What was supposed to be there?

unkel · 26-11-2020 12:55am

CoBo55 wrote: »

What was supposed to be there?

A white brand new Model 3 SR+

garo · 26-11-2020 12:35pm

Not sure if this has been posted before:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202011105986878
2017 75D. £35,490

unkel · 26-11-2020 12:39pm

No autopilot but a sweet deal all the same.

garo · 26-11-2020 12:48pm

I thought AP was standard for cars of that vintage?

ELM327 · 26-11-2020 12:52pm

unkel wrote: »

No autopilot but a sweet deal all the same.

garo wrote: »

I thought AP was standard for cars of that vintage?

It has AP

unkel · 26-11-2020 12:52pm

garo wrote: »

I thought AP was standard for cars of that vintage?

Nah. Not standard until some time in 2019 iirc. The hardware is there though and Tesla Sandyford have confirmed they can enable it for something like €2k + VAT (can't remember the exact figure)

jhegarty · 26-11-2020 1:05pm

unkel wrote: »

No autopilot but a sweet deal all the same.

What I am missing to see that ?

unkel · 26-11-2020 1:08pm

jhegarty wrote: »

What I am missing to see that ?

We don't know for sure, but if the ad doesn't specifically say it has auto pilot and it is enabled, it's fairly safe to say it doesn't have it

unkel · 26-11-2020 1:21pm

Right, so for the good of the argument and in case it can help a prospective buyer on here, I contacted the seller and he confirmed the car DOES have autopilot and it is enabled

Why on earth did he not include it in the ad?

the_amazing_raisin · 26-11-2020 1:22pm

unkel wrote: »

Right, so I contacted the seller and he confirmed the car DOES have autopilot and it is enabled

Why on earth did he not include it in the ad?

Isn't autopilot disabled when you sell the car? Or is that FSD?

RonnieL · 26-11-2020 1:24pm

What motorway range would you expect on it, say in winter on a cold windy day. Would it do Galway to Dublin without having to stop?

NIMAN · 26-11-2020 1:29pm

Question for you Tesla owners.

I often see AP mentioned, which I assume is the option of letting the car drive itself? It seems to be mentioned a lot as a bonus to have.

Wondering do any of you actually use it, rather than driving the car yourself?

Gumbo · 26-11-2020 1:41pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Isn't autopilot disabled when you sell the car? Or is that FSD?

Nope. Nothing like that. Silly pub talk.

Kramer · 26-11-2020 1:41pm

NIMAN wrote: »

Question for you Tesla owners.

I often see AP mentioned, which I assume is the option of letting the car drive itself? It seems to be mentioned a lot as a bonus to have.

AP is basically adaptive cruise control with lane keeping. It's handy on motorways but many cars these days do that. It's a nice feature.

Gumbo · 26-11-2020 1:43pm

RonnieL wrote: »

What motorway range would you expect on it, say in winter on a cold windy day. Would it do Galway to Dublin without having to stop?

What car? The 75D?

From where in Dublin to where in Galway?
What’s the distance etc?

I doubt my 85 would do that trip so the smaller 75 should struggle?

RonnieL · 26-11-2020 1:48pm

Gumbo wrote: »

What car? The 75D?

From where in Dublin to where in Galway?
What’s the distance etc?

I doubt my 85 would do that trip so the smaller 75 should struggle?

Sorry, I was wondering about that 75D. From one end of the M6 to the other essentially. 214KM. Driving at the speed limit.

Black_Knight · 26-11-2020 2:04pm

Time to get the jackhammer out.

slave1 · 26-11-2020 2:41pm

RonnieL wrote: »

Sorry, I was wondering about that 75D. From one end of the M6 to the other essentially. 214KM. Driving at the speed limit.

My 2015 Model S85 would do that with guts of 100kms to spare, I did Athlone-Dromoland return earlier this year at speed limit no bother and that's 262kms door to door

unkel · 26-11-2020 2:54pm

Same here. 2014 P85 85kWh and did Dublin to near Spiddal (west of Galway) with about 35% to spare. 5 of us in the car, luggage, dog. I always drive at at least the speed limit when safe to do so. Even in winter you should be fine. Newer S75 D has similar range.

ELM327 · 26-11-2020 2:59pm

RonnieL wrote: »

Sorry, I was wondering about that 75D. From one end of the M6 to the other essentially. 214KM. Driving at the speed limit.

My S90D would do that 214km and get back to Ionity Athlone I'd say.
The S75D was a great car for range and efficiency. The only real downfall it had was the lower pack voltage, so it charged slower at non Tesla DC sites

Gumbo · 26-11-2020 3:28pm

RonnieL wrote: »

Sorry, I was wondering about that 75D. From one end of the M6 to the other essentially. 214KM. Driving at the speed limit.

I done about 190km at above speed limit speeds when I bought mine in June. Empty roads, about 9pm at night.
I estimated there was about 50-60km left in the tab based on that trip at that speed.

If I dropped to the posted speed limit then no problem I’d imagine.

jhegarty · 26-11-2020 3:30pm

cruisey1987 wrote: »

Isn't autopilot disabled when you sell the car? Or is that FSD?

Only when it's sold back to Tesla. They may disable/enable Autopilot/FSD depending on what suites them.

Gumbo · 26-11-2020 3:31pm

jhegarty wrote: »

Only when it's sold back to Tesla. They may disable/enable Autopilot/FSD depending on what suites them.

Is that even true?

slave1 · 26-11-2020 3:32pm

If you look at ABRP I think you will find that Tesla is very efficient at high speed, AFAIR dropping from 120kms/hr to 1100km's hour for that long trip I did only improved range by 2%.
In other words if you are in a Tesla and on the motorway it's speed limit all the way, no (range/efficiency) reason to drive slower (safety etc aside)

slave1 · 26-11-2020 3:34pm

jhegarty wrote: »

Only when it's sold back to Tesla. They may disable/enable Autopilot/FSD depending on what suites them.

Gumbo wrote: »

Is that even true?

I've only heard of them getting rid of free supercharging/premium connectivity, never heard AP/FSD being disabled across this/UK/US forums, never

ELM327 · 26-11-2020 3:37pm

Gumbo wrote: »

Is that even true?

Yes

My 2016 S was sold with free lifetime supercharging in 2016. When I bought it from Tesla last year as CPO, the free Supercharging was removed (and I knew this before buying)

They do the same thing for premium connectivity and FSD now.

ELM327 · 26-11-2020 3:38pm

slave1 wrote: »

If you look at ABRP I think you will find that Tesla is very efficient at high speed, AFAIR dropping from 120kms/hr to 1100km's hour for that long trip I did only improved range by 2%.
In other words if you are in a Tesla and on the motorway it's speed limit all the way, no (range/efficiency) reason to drive slower (safety etc aside)

I find there is an increase in consumption noticeable dropping from 120 to 100 or lower only. So, unless I'm really stretching it for range, I just drive at the posted speed limits.

Gumbo · 26-11-2020 5:58pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Yes

My 2016 S was sold with free lifetime supercharging in 2016. When I bought it from Tesla last year as CPO, the free Supercharging was removed (and I knew this before buying)

They do the same thing for premium connectivity and FSD now.

No I knew about the SuC and Connectivity, I specifically replied to the removal of FSD. I heard the rumours but haven’t heard of it actually
Happening yet.

Black_Knight · 27-11-2020 10:45am

One of very very few ENiros 2nd hand, and a bargain in my eyes. Cheaper than what a boardsie got as a trade in recently.

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/kia-niro-e-lr-5dr-auto-fully-electric/26626110

192, white, 64kWh battery, €32k.

The freaky part! It's Mooneys! They love overpricing Ioniqs, yet this niro is cheap

unkel · 27-11-2020 11:01am

Bit of a bargain from them! Perhaps they are pricing it at what they reckon a similar Kona is worth, but the eNiro is holding its value better as it just is a better car for similar money when new

Next cheapest eNiro is €35k (but it's a 2020)

Black_Knight · 27-11-2020 11:05am

unkel wrote: »

Bit of a bargain from them! Perhaps they are pricing it at what they reckon a similar Kona is worth, but the eNiro is holding its value better as it just is a better car for similar money when new

Next cheapest eNiro is €35k (but it's a 2020)

33k was the trade in value I heard, for a 192, about 3 months ago. Few k profit for the dealer and you're at 35k. Local dealer here wanted 38k (before any negotiating) for a 192, saying they're over 40 new. Ignoring that in 2019 they were 38k new.

Anyone looking for a Niro, grab it.

This week's EV bargain that I'm not buying

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