CCTV

Lex Luthor · 11-05-2020 7:20am #1

Any suggestions for a wired home security camera?

I have no issue with running a power wire for this one, just going to be at the front of the house under the canopy

I might upgrade later to the rear with a wireless camera, so if there is a manufacturer that you can integrate both into the same hub and app that would be great

Would prefer 1080p and maybe cloud storage
Thanks

altor · 14-05-2020 9:32pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Any suggestions for a wired home security camera?

I have no issue with running a power wire for this one, just going to be at the front of the house under the canopy

I might upgrade later to the rear with a wireless camera, so if there is a manufacturer that you can integrate both into the same hub and app that would be great

Would prefer 1080p and maybe cloud storage
Thanks

Wired is always better.
Have a look at the HIK ColorVu.
Colour at night even in pitch dark.

Lex Luthor · 15-05-2020 7:39am

ya looking at a POE system

what about this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hikvision-Vision-Outdoor-DVR-Security/dp/B0751JRKK1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1S2FH4JT8E6IR&dchild=1&keywords=hikvision%2Bcolourvu%2B4k&qid=1589525626&sprefix=hikvision%2Bc%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-1&th=1

machiavellianme · 15-05-2020 7:47am

I second altor's HIK colorvu suggestion. They're a fantastic camera with an inbuilt SDXC card slot and incredible night views - work best if you have any streetlight etc but the supplementary white light also helps. They really blow my old HIK darkfighters out of the water!

Lex Luthor · 15-05-2020 7:57am

this one is colour but for a lot less than a HIK colour unit

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07CQLB8HS/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2?psc=1&pd_rd_i=B07CQLB8HS&pd_rd_w=p64Kt&pf_rd_p=91bac49e-c2d1-4227-b6bc-b47dfda352fe&pd_rd_wg=ameQk&pf_rd_r=G9CQJ4MWHJ6XZ7Z6ECF1&pd_rd_r=df8f63b8-ad3c-4d0b-8369-53ec8b88ac38&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUFCWTM3N1RVTTlVR1omZW5jcnlwdGVkSWQ9QTAwNjgxNTczR1lGWlFNVkFMR0VOJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTA4NDE5NzEzU0ZNRjRJQkNKNTEwJndpZGdldE5hbWU9c3BfZGV0YWlsX3RoZW1hdGljJmFjdGlvbj1jbGlja1JlZGlyZWN0JmRvTm90TG9nQ2xpY2s9dHJ1ZQ==

machiavellianme · 15-05-2020 8:20am

So is 95% of the market. Most is cheap Chinese crap.
There's no mention of Lux anywhere on that page so no idea how to gauge minimum lighting.
Ditto for F number which dictates the amount of light entering the aperture.
It's a fairly standard size CMOS sensor so I suspect it won't be a patch on the HIK.
That doesn't look like night time colour to me and is definitely IR supported.
I'm not saying there's anything wrong with it, just that you get what you pay for.

There's lots of things to consider with cctv cameras, including lens size (smaller 2.8mm and 4mm have wider views but appear further away), style (domes and bullets - pick a turret!), IR or white light etc. You should read up before you commit to anything. One tip is that insects love IR. You'll have hundreds of flies at night triggering false alarms and spiders building webs as a result. That was my main reason for going turret (harder for webs to stick) and moving away from IR support overnight.

Lex Luthor · 15-05-2020 6:40pm

is it possible to mix the HIKvision products to make up a system?

ie. buying a specific NVR and then get different cameras to add to it

I'm on a limited budget so would like to have at least 1x Color cam like the Colorvu mentioned but have 3x B&W elsewhere

The higher spec camera would be in the most important location

machiavellianme · 16-05-2020 12:18am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

is it possible to mix the HIKvision products to make up a system?

ie. buying a specific NVR and then get different cameras to add to it

I'm on a limited budget so would like to have at least 1x Color cam like the Colorvu mentioned but have 3x B&W elsewhere

The higher spec camera would be in the most important location

Absolutely, you can mix and match as long as you stick to the same technology. Go Poe or coax, not both. Poe has more options available, but coax being older tech is cheaper. You don't necessarily need an nvr from the outset either. You can use sd cards and/or a cloud service. Also, if you do get an nvr, check it can accommodate as many cameras and the resolution you need. Some can have 8 cameras but only if they are 2 or 3 Megapixel. If you want 8k uhd then you might only get one or two cameras supported by your nvr due to disk write speeds. Typically the high resolution cameras are great in daylight but suffer at night unless very high end. I find 3-4MP the sweet spot at the moment. Keep an eye on ebay, I picked up all my kit slowly over months but at about 75% of the price, even brand new. The one thing I have learned is that every year there's a better model so just move that to the most important location and move all the others around accordingly like you suggested.

Lex Luthor · 16-05-2020 9:22am

machiavellianme wrote: »

Absolutely, you can mix and match as long as you stick to the same technology. Go Poe or coax, not both. Poe has more options available, but coax being older tech is cheaper. You don't necessarily need an nvr from the outset either. You can use sd cards and/or a cloud service. Also, if you do get an nvr, check it can accommodate as many cameras and the resolution you need. Some can have 8 cameras but only if they are 2 or 3 Megapixel. If you want 8k uhd then you might only get one or two cameras supported by your nvr due to disk write speeds. Typically the high resolution cameras are great in daylight but suffer at night unless very high end. I find 3-4MP the sweet spot at the moment. Keep an eye on ebay, I picked up all my kit slowly over months but at about 75% of the price, even brand new. The one thing I have learned is that every year there's a better model so just move that to the most important location and move all the others around accordingly like you suggested.

Thanks for the info

I think I will go POE, I have identified a good central location to mount the nvr which allows very easy access to running the cables to the cameras and is also a short distance to run a cable to my router

Using sd cards would mean climbing ladders to retrieve any footage if needed so I dont mind the cost of the nvr for the ease of use/setup etc

is there a particular nvr that you would recommend that would be compatible with both the colorvu camera and also use others?
I am looking at max 4 points of detection so a 4ch unit would probably be sufficient

the areas the cameras will be monitoring will be backed up by lighting a night if triggered

Gooey Looey · 16-05-2020 9:32am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

ya looking at a POE system

what about this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hikvision-Vision-Outdoor-DVR-Security/dp/B0751JRKK1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1S2FH4JT8E6IR&dchild=1&keywords=hikvision%2Bcolourvu%2B4k&qid=1589525626&sprefix=hikvision%2Bc%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-1&th=1

That is a Hikvision IP over coax kit not POE. Look at the cables supplied.

Lex Luthor · 16-05-2020 9:58am

Gooey Looey wrote: »

That is a Hikvision IP over coax kit not POE. Look at the cables supplied.

ah ok, does it make any difference what cables are used if they are supplied?

I need to measure the runs but I think 18m would be sufficient for me to get to all 4 camera points....one might be tricky though

Gooey Looey · 16-05-2020 10:01am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

ah ok, does it make any difference what cables are used if they are supplied?

I need to measure the runs but I think 18m would be sufficient for me to get to all 4 camera points....one might be tricky though

What I meant was the cables supplied are coax.

Lex Luthor · 16-05-2020 10:21am

Gooey Looey wrote: »

What I meant was the cables supplied are coax.

Ya I got that

But does it matter in terms of speed or quality if it’s a coax or Ethernet cable?

If I got a system with Ethernet and cable was too short it’s a bit easier to knock one up rather than the dual coax/power cable

Gooey Looey · 16-05-2020 10:29am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Ya I got that

But does it matter in terms of speed or quality if it’s a coax or Ethernet cable?

If I got a system with Ethernet and cable was too short it’s a bit easier to knock one up rather than the dual coax/power cable

It does matter. Maybe not now but any future upgrades would be limited to the fact that you only have coax. Coax has limited bandwidth, analog cameras are low resolution but Hikvision use a proprietary protocol to get more bandwidth over this coax.

I wouldn't install coax today when a cat5e can do much more and can also carry power. You are best to go with a proper IP Poe camera system

alta stare · 16-05-2020 11:15am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Ya I got that

But does it matter in terms of speed or quality if it’s a coax or Ethernet cable?

If I got a system with Ethernet and cable was too short it’s a bit easier to knock one up rather than the dual coax/power cable

In the grand of scheme of things for a domestic setting it doesnt matter all to much. As a professional in this industry i would suggest ip cameras over coax because there is so much more quality and options in ip systems than coax systems but the coax systems are still very good.

I put a cheap Dahua 4 way hd system in my parents house and the picture quality is perfect. It suits them down to the ground. 1080p cameras with a hybrid machine. Going for a more expensive option just because made absolutely no sense.

Do what your budget can reach. HIKvision and Dahua have such ranges for people who cant or dont want to spend loads of money on their equipment and that equipment is perfectly fine.

machiavellianme · 17-05-2020 12:37am

Have a look at the Hilook by Hikvision range. They're cheaper but still decent and apparently work with the normal HIK stuff on a HIK nvr. You won't get the same level of night vision but they'll be solidly built and should last.
See the likes of:
https://www.rfconcepts.ie/hilook-by-hikvision-ipc-t240h-ip-ext-turret-4mp-poe-4mm-3771.html

Lex Luthor · 17-05-2020 8:02am

alta stare wrote: »

I put a cheap Dahua 4 way hd system in my parents house and the picture quality is perfect. It suits them down to the ground. 1080p cameras with a hybrid machine. Going for a more expensive option just because made absolutely no sense.

Do what your budget can reach. HIKvision and Dahua have such ranges for people who cant or dont want to spend loads of money on their equipment and that equipment is perfectly fine.

colleague of mine is putting a Dahua system in his place next week so will see how that goes for him and what kit he got
thanks for the info

Gooey Looey · 17-05-2020 8:24am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

colleague of mine is putting a Dahua system in his place next week so will see how that goes for him and what kit he got
thanks for the info

Yeah Dahua are excellent. Getting your hands on them without contacting an installer may be the issue. Most Irish suppliers are trade/PSA licence only.

Lex Luthor · 17-05-2020 8:27am

having a look online at the Hilook cameras suggested
Came across these 2x 4MP units
Same model number by the look of it but one is a 2.8mm lens and one is a 4mm lens

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HiLook-Hikvision-IPC-T240H-Turret-Network/dp/B07NSS9WKR/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=t240h&qid=1589699709&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HiLook-Progressive-CMOS-ICR-2560x1440/dp/B07DM7BZGH/ref=psdc_1330829031_t1_B07NSS9WKR

In terms of picking one over the other for viewing the front of the house, I am looking at 2 different mounting locations
One at approx 7ft off the ground to view the front door area and another from roof level to get the drive/garden area

Would the wider fov 2.8mm be better for the lower position or would you have it the other way around?

I would imagine the 4mm lens at the roof level would capture enough of the front of the property without the need to capture street aswell

alta stare · 17-05-2020 8:50am

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Yeah Dahua are excellent. Getting your hands on them without contacting an installer may be the issue. Most Irish suppliers are trade/PSA licence only.

They are easy to get. Freetv.ie have them and will sell to an end user no problem. They have the HIKvision, Hilook range aswell.

Lex Luthor · 17-05-2020 8:53am

Gooey Looey wrote: »

Yeah Dahua are excellent. Getting your hands on them without contacting an installer may be the issue. Most Irish suppliers are trade/PSA licence only.

He’s in the UK
he did say he was getting it installed rather than do it himself

I don’t mind doing it myself, quite enjoy the diy side of it

I’ve put in a few house alarms already so not shy to the challenge

alta stare · 17-05-2020 9:01am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

colleague of mine is putting a Dahua system in his place next week so will see how that goes for him and what kit he got
thanks for the info

They are good. They arent as popular over here as they would be across Asia.

The ones i put in to my parents property which is a long dormer building are

2.8mm 1080p turrets

4 channel HD Cooper series hybrid recorder

Some cameras are wired in coax some in cat 5e.

An 8 way Dantec power supply.

Obviously being in the industry myself i got it trade so i paid €150

I got the Dantec from work and already had coax and cat 5e from previous jobs i have done.

Ordinarily i wouldn't use ethernet cable as a signal cable due to the occasional issue with baluns giving bother but i used it for some runs in my parents as i have loads of it. Usually id use it for power and then it can be used if the coax cameras were to be replaced with IP cameras.

Dahua, HIKvision/Hilook are good systems. You wont go too far wrong with any of them which ever one you decide to use.

alta stare · 17-05-2020 9:05am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

having a look online at the Hilook cameras suggested
Came across these 2x 4MP units
Same model number by the look of it but one is a 2.8mm lens and one is a 4mm lens

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HiLook-Hikvision-IPC-T240H-Turret-Network/dp/B07NSS9WKR/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=t240h&qid=1589699709&sr=8-2

https://www.amazon.co.uk/HiLook-Progressive-CMOS-ICR-2560x1440/dp/B07DM7BZGH/ref=psdc_1330829031_t1_B07NSS9WKR

In terms of picking one over the other for viewing the front of the house, I am looking at 2 different mounting locations
One at approx 7ft off the ground to view the front door area and another from roof level to get the drive/garden area

Would the wider fov 2.8mm be better for the lower position or would you have it the other way around?

I would imagine the 4mm lens at the roof level would capture enough of the front of the property without the need to capture street aswell

2.8mm lens has a wide angle field of view which would suit looking across the front/back of a house.

4mm lens would have a tighter field of view with more depth to the picture so it would be good in side entrances, front porches, doors etc.

machiavellianme · 17-05-2020 10:25am

Have a read of this page, the pictures tell 1000 words:
https://www.diysecuritycameras.com.au/faqs/general/which-lens-should-i-select.html

I've personally stopped using 2.8mm entirely. They lack any kind of useful detail and it's worse at night when you need details most. Unless you like looking at your neighbours property (and I mean neighbours plural as you'll see a few houses across the street) I wouldn't recommend 2.8mm. Never put a camera too high either unless you like looking at the top of people's heads.

I've mounted 4mm to cover the entire front of house (semi D) under the window sill of the second floor and its decent. Tested higher and got useless results.
As a result, I bought a bunch of lenses from aliexpress and played around to figure out what does what. Ultimately, I settled on 4mm and 6mm for my place. The 6mm fared better when focusing on the gate and car but missed the lad hopping the wall to get his football back so I've the 4mm for slightly wider front and back views and 6mm at the front door and alley.

If all the above is too complex, get a varifocal and select your ideal zoom. They cost a bit more and usually have poorer night vision though. That said, I've heard great things about these (there's surely a newer poe model available)
https://www.megateh.eu/products/hd-cvi-cameras-dahua/dahua-hac-hdw2501tp-z-a-eyeball-hdcvi-5mp-27-135mm-10229-motorized-starlight-ir-led-60m

alta stare · 17-05-2020 11:00am

machiavellianme wrote: »

Have a read of this page, the pictures tell 1000 words:
https://www.diysecuritycameras.com.au/faqs/general/which-lens-should-i-select.html

I've personally stopped using 2.8mm entirely. They lack any kind of useful detail and it's worse at night when you need details most. Unless you like looking at your neighbours property (and I mean neighbours plural as you'll see a few houses across the street) I wouldn't recommend 2.8mm. Never put a camera too high either unless you like looking at the top of people's heads.

I've mounted 4mm to cover the entire front of house (semi D) under the window sill of the second floor and its decent. Tested higher and got useless results.
As a result, I bought a bunch of lenses from aliexpress and played around to figure out what does what. Ultimately, I settled on 4mm and 6mm for my place. The 6mm fared better when focusing on the gate and car but missed the lad hopping the wall to get his football back so I've the 4mm for slightly wider front and back views and 6mm at the front door and alley.

If all the above is too complex, get a varifocal and select your ideal zoom. They cost a bit more and usually have poorer night vision though. That said, I've heard great things about these (there's surely a newer poe model available)
https://www.megateh.eu/products/hd-cvi-cameras-dahua/dahua-hac-hdw2501tp-z-a-eyeball-hdcvi-5mp-27-135mm-10229-motorized-starlight-ir-led-60m

Lens selection is entirely subject to what is required by the individual. What works for you may not work for someone else. The standard lens id see being installed now is the 2.8mm and if people want more depth or a tighter picture they go 3.6 or 4mm. Many people also choose varifocal lenses again depending on what they want to see. There are many variables at play when installing a cctv system and any good installer will go through these with the client. The ones who lash in the one type lens in every place they go to are the industry cowboys.

Lex Luthor · 17-05-2020 1:11pm

Looking at freetv.ie, any thoughts on this NVR?

https://www.freetv.ie/4-way-nvr/

Add in a 2TB HDD comes in about €200

Am I right in saying then any POE camera up to 6MP can be added to this from any manufacturer or are they specific to Dahua only?

machiavellianme · 17-05-2020 2:04pm

alta stare wrote: »

Lens selection is entirely subject to what is required by the individual. What works for you may not work for someone else. The standard lens id see being installed now is the 2.8mm and if people want more depth or a tighter picture they go 3.6 or 4mm. Many people also choose varifocal lenses again depending on what they want to see. There are many variables at play when installing a cctv system and any good installer will go through these with the client. The ones who lash in the one type lens in every place they go to are the industry cowboys.

Agreed, hence I suggested reading the page and I've given some personal insights. I spent a lot of time and money refining my system. The OP has said that money is a factor so I'm giving them a steer to research in advance. My experience (and that on many cctv forums) is that 2.8mm is pointless for home security applications and suited to vista viewing rather than details on intruders.
What makes a "good installer"? I've not heard of any required certification to be one? I'm just an enthusiast passing some advice based on years of good and bad experience. No harm intended.

alta stare · 17-05-2020 3:09pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Looking at freetv.ie, any thoughts on this NVR?

https://www.freetv.ie/4-way-nvr/

Add in a 2TB HDD comes in about €200

Am I right in saying then any POE camera up to 6MP can be added to this from any manufacturer or are they specific to Dahua only?

Yeah that range are good. Very easy to use and a nicer UI than previous versions of Dahua machines.

Yes you can add other manufacturers products to it and yes up to 6MP can be used.

alta stare · 17-05-2020 3:22pm

machiavellianme wrote: »

Agreed, hence I suggested reading the page and I've given some personal insights. I spent a lot of time and money refining my system. The OP has said that money is a factor so I'm giving them a steer to research in advance. My experience (and that on many cctv forums) is that 2.8mm is pointless for home security applications and suited to vista viewing rather than details on intruders.
What makes a "good installer"? I've not heard of any required certification to be one? I'm just an enthusiast passing some advice based on years of good and bad experience. No harm intended.

I wasnt questioning your own views just adding the point that what works for one may not work for another.

What makes a good installer?
An installer who actually carries out a site survey then advises the different options available to the client.

An installer who plans his cable routes and camera positions one where cables arent just slung or fixed on full show to the outside world.

An installer who uses quality gear ie good cameras, switches, connectors, cabling etc.

An installer who cares about using the correct cable choice for the environment etc.

An installer who sets up the system to maximise its capabilities for the end user.

To be fair alot of people can install many things but doing it the correct way is the key and im afraid i have come across many DIY jobs which fall into the bodge category. Now i am not for one minute suggesting you are one of those who bodges their work i am only replying to your what makes a good installer question and i think i wont be alone is saying that some DIY jobs are rubbish so getting in a professional installer can be beneficial.

Lex Luthor · 17-05-2020 3:33pm

alta stare wrote: »

Yeah that range are good. Very easy to use and a nicer UI than previous versions of Dahua machines.

Yes you can add other manufacturers products to it and yes up to 6MP can be used.

Thanks

Freetv look like they will supply the NVR to public but range of cameras to public is slim

Looked at the link sent about what lens and think maybe a 6mm at the door and 4mm further up to capture the drive
Then for the side entrance at a later point 8mm

As for cable, as I'd probably be making up my own, I see they have various types on freetv

Understand that the reason for the price difference is probably down to the composition of the wire inside, but would the cheaper CCA stuff be ok or would you be better off spending on the higher quality?

In other words for these 2 rolls of 305m, is the cheaper one sufficient?

https://www.freetv.ie/cat5e-utp-copper-ethernet-cable/

or

https://www.freetv.ie/cat5e-utp/

I'd be happy enough in doing the install myself, I'm involved in instrumentation for the last 25yrs so have ran plenty signal cables and would be very picky on running them neatly and doing a neat job
I've been surveying the house the last while as for varios monitoring points and based on what info you have suggested aswell which is great I'm hoping the placements will work, if they dont I can trial another location

Thanks again

alta stare · 17-05-2020 3:43pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Thanks

Freetv look like they will supply the NVR to public but range of cameras to public is slim

Looked at the link sent about what lens and think maybe a 6mm at the door and 4mm further up to capture the drive
Then for the side entrance at a later point 8mm

As for cable, as I'd probably be making up my own, I see they have various types on freetv

Understand that the reason for the price difference is probably down to the composition of the wire inside, but would the cheaper CCA stuff be ok or would you be better off spending on the higher quality?

In other words for these 2 rolls of 305m, is the cheaper one sufficient?

https://www.freetv.ie/cat5e-utp-copper-ethernet-cable/

or

https://www.freetv.ie/cat5e-utp/

I'd be happy enough in doing the install myself, I'm involved in instrumentation for the last 25yrs so have ran plenty signal cables and would be very picky on running them neatly and doing a neat job
I've been surveying the house the last while as for varios monitoring points and based on what info you have suggested aswell which is great I'm hoping the placements will work, if they dont I can trial another location

Thanks again

When you create an account with them you will see the prices for the other stuff. They will supply you. I actually have an account with them myself.

The cheaper cabling is not great. I know as i tried it before on a short run. Id stay away from it to be honest.

Lex Luthor · 18-05-2020 3:15pm

alta stare wrote: »

When you create an account with them you will see the prices for the other stuff. They will supply you. I actually have an account with them myself.

The cheaper cabling is not great. I know as i tried it before on a short run. Id stay away from it to be honest.

Thanks did that and seen some extra kit

Sent them a quick email via thei site looking for options with the EZ Dahua 4ch NVR and they came back with this kit to recommend
https://www.freetv.ie/cctv-recorder/

Comes with cabling, 4x cameras (2.8mm lens)

I checked their site on these cameras and they are not sold separately, as I only need 2 to start me up & running, I dont need the kit plus the cabling could be too short

In terms of the camera lens, do you think then 2.8mm lens would be ok as I'm looking fairly closely at the subjects with the 2 front cameras?

alta stare · 18-05-2020 6:59pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Thanks did that and seen some extra kit

Sent them a quick email via thei site looking for options with the EZ Dahua 4ch NVR and they came back with this kit to recommend
https://www.freetv.ie/cctv-recorder/

Comes with cabling, 4x cameras (2.8mm lens)

I checked their site on these cameras and they are not sold separately, as I only need 2 to start me up & running, I dont need the kit plus the cabling could be too short

In terms of the camera lens, do you think then 2.8mm lens would be ok as I'm looking fairly closely at the subjects with the 2 front cameras?

You should be able to buy the cameras separately. The kits are never really great imo as they usually supply crap cable.

If you can afford get higher MP than you should. 2 is good but this day and age 4-6-8 are the norm.

2.8mm is fine if you want to just overlook a general view ie your garden or front/back of your property. If you are looking for a more detailed tighter look than get a 3.6/4mm lens. This however will not have the same viewing angle as say the 2.8mm lens. It is down to what exactly you want to be looking at.

Edit:

Iv just had a quick look and would happily go with the following, 2 x 2.8mm turret 4mp ip cameras, 1 x box cat5 305mtrs, 1 x 4 way ip poe recorder. Comes in at around 463. Nothing wrong with that to be fair. Yes you would get better systems but you would pay more. There is nothing wrong with that kind of set up for a domestic setting. If you wanted to have a tighter shot than as i said go with a 3.6/4mm lens.

Lex Luthor · 18-05-2020 10:26pm

alta stare wrote: »

Edit:

Iv just had a quick look and would happily go with the following, 2 x 2.8mm turret 4mp ip cameras, 1 x box cat5 305mtrs, 1 x 4 way ip poe recorder. Comes in at around 463. Nothing wrong with that to be fair. Yes you would get better systems but you would pay more. There is nothing wrong with that kind of set up for a domestic setting. If you wanted to have a tighter shot than as i said go with a 3.6/4mm lens.

will have a look at those options tomorrow

I had a look around their site earlier and dont think they stock a 4MP 4mm lens camera

alta stare · 19-05-2020 9:28am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

will have a look at those options tomorrow

I had a look around their site earlier and dont think they stock a 4MP 4mm lens camera

They might have a 3.6mm one. I will log in and have a look myself and see if i can see one. They might even get one for you if you ask them.

Lex Luthor · 20-05-2020 4:06pm

alta stare wrote: »

They might have a 3.6mm one. I will log in and have a look myself and see if i can see one. They might even get one for you if you ask them.

Asked them about a 3.6mm one and they dont have one

Suggested the one with the motorised lens
https://www.freetv.ie/dome-network-camera/

€50 more than the 2.8mm fixed lens :eek:

I like the idea as it will allow me to zoom in to the exact area where the cars are parked and I can place it in the apex of the roof

I could probably pick one up through amazon from about €90

alta stare · 20-05-2020 6:40pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Asked them about a 3.6mm one and they dont have one

Suggested the one with the motorised lens
https://www.freetv.ie/dome-network-camera/

€50 more than the 2.8mm fixed lens :eek:

I like the idea as it will allow me to zoom in to the exact area where the cars are parked and I can place it in the apex of the roof

I could probably pick one up through amazon from about €90

Oh right. Did you ask them to source one for you?

The motorised ones are handy alright.

Ah yeah if you can get them cheaper elsewhere then why not. They are pricey though so will you find one elsewhere for much less?

Lex Luthor · 21-05-2020 7:14am

alta stare wrote: »

Oh right. Did you ask them to source one for you?

The motorised ones are handy alright.

Ah yeah if you can get them cheaper elsewhere then why not. They are pricey though so will you find one elsewhere for much less?

they only offered the motorized one

are the junction boxes needed for mounting on a soffit?

machiavellianme · 21-05-2020 7:30am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Asked them about a 3.6mm one and they dont have one

Suggested the one with the motorised lens
https://www.freetv.ie/dome-network-camera/

€50 more than the 2.8mm fixed lens :eek:

I like the idea as it will allow me to zoom in to the exact area where the cars are parked and I can place it in the apex of the roof

I could probably pick one up through amazon from about €90

Unless you like looking at the tops of people's heads, don't waste your time installing at the apex of the roof. It's simply too high and you'll be wasting the zoom capability.
I would suggest no higher than the 1st floor window sill.

alta stare · 21-05-2020 8:29am

Lex Luthor wrote: »

they only offered the motorized one

are the junction boxes needed for mounting on a soffit?

No you wont need a junction box if mounting on the soffit. Drill a minimum 22mm hole so you can easily get the connection in and remember to put on the gland.

Lex Luthor · 21-05-2020 11:48am

machiavellianme wrote: »

Unless you like looking at the tops of people's heads, don't waste your time installing at the apex of the roof. It's simply too high and you'll be wasting the zoom capability.
I would suggest no higher than the 1st floor window sill.

the plan is to have 2 cameras at the front, one to the left side as you look at the house from the street (driveway side) at approx 7ft off the ground looking across the front door and into garden but wont capture the cars or anyone coming into the drive

the one in the apex would be from the right side as you look at house, up higher and would capture the full drive and entrance into driveway

As there is a canopy that runs across the full width of the house, the higher mounted camera, even if I put it at 1st floor sill, wouldnt capture the front door or any front windows as the canopy obscures the view, which is why I am going considering the apex position

I've opted to just keep it at 2.8mm lens for both and see how it starts

Lex Luthor · 21-05-2020 7:49pm

alta stare wrote: »

No you wont need a junction box if mounting on the soffit. Drill a minimum 22mm hole so you can easily get the connection in and remember to put on the gland.

I take it the camera mounting plate is just screwed into the soffit with 3 screws?

would I need a specific screw for this?

I have a box of self tapping plasterboard screws that might do?

alta stare · 22-05-2020 12:49pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

I take it the camera mounting plate is just screwed into the soffit with 3 screws?

would I need a specific screw for this?

I have a box of self tapping plasterboard screws that might do?

Yeah they screw straight onto the soffit. Iv used normal wood screws (4x40s) or self tapping window screws. Once you get a bite through the two layers of plastic it will hold.

The motorised camera will be heavier so you may have to ensure you get a solid fixing.

Lex Luthor · 22-05-2020 12:55pm

stuff has just arrived, cameras look good quality and light
must play around with them first with NVR

PaulT21 · 22-05-2020 8:12pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

stuff has just arrived, cameras look good quality and light
must play around with them first with NVR

Would you mind sharing the setup that you eventually settled on please? Cheers:)

Lex Luthor · 22-05-2020 8:20pm

PaulT21 wrote: »

Would you mind sharing the setup that you eventually settled on please? Cheers:)

No problem

I plugged in the nvr today and set it up with the 2 cameras

Plan is to get the lower one mounted tomorrow with hopefully the cable run, depending on the winds getting up the ladder

Kingkong · 22-05-2020 8:26pm

I went Unifi at the start, great overall setup. Its about 500 euro for the NVR, 1 Camera, Wifi Hub and Gateway and about 100 euro per camera afters but this is an amazing enterprise grade wifi solution with an equaling great CCTV solution rolled into one. Its the Sonos solution for proconsumers in this space. Check out https://unifi-protect.ui.com/ & https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap/. I found https://www.eurodk.com/ best site to pick them up.

NIMAN · 27-05-2020 12:22am

Kingkong wrote: »

I went Unifi at the start, great overall setup. Its about 500 euro for the NVR, 1 Camera, Wifi Hub and Gateway and about 100 euro per camera afters but this is an amazing enterprise grade wifi solution with an equaling great CCTV solution rolled into one. Its the Sonos solution for proconsumers in this space. Check out https://unifi-protect.ui.com/ & https://www.ui.com/unifi/unifi-ap/. I found https://www.eurodk.com/ best site to pick them up.

Can I ask which camera(s) you went for?

Lex Luthor · 03-06-2020 5:31pm

Just wondering can I use a different manufacturer camera instead of Dahua to connect to the Dahua NVR?

Looking for a few different options with a narrower field of view than the 2.8mm dahua I have

alta stare · 03-06-2020 6:19pm

Lex Luthor wrote: »

Just wondering can I use a different manufacturer camera instead of Dahua to connect to the Dahua NVR?

Looking for a few different options with a narrower field of view than the 2.8mm dahua I have

What NVR did you get? If it is a hybrid you can.

Lex Luthor · 03-06-2020 7:12pm

alta stare wrote: »

What NVR did you get? If it is a hybrid you can.

EZ by Dahua™ 4 Way NVR (6MP w/ 4x PoE)

CCTV

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