Lex Luthor wrote: » Any suggestions for a wired home security camera? I have no issue with running a power wire for this one, just going to be at the front of the house under the canopy I might upgrade later to the rear with a wireless camera, so if there is a manufacturer that you can integrate both into the same hub and app that would be great Would prefer 1080p and maybe cloud storage Thanks
Lex Luthor wrote: » is it possible to mix the HIKvision products to make up a system? ie. buying a specific NVR and then get different cameras to add to it I'm on a limited budget so would like to have at least 1x Color cam like the Colorvu mentioned but have 3x B&W elsewhere The higher spec camera would be in the most important location
machiavellianme wrote: » Absolutely, you can mix and match as long as you stick to the same technology. Go Poe or coax, not both. Poe has more options available, but coax being older tech is cheaper. You don't necessarily need an nvr from the outset either. You can use sd cards and/or a cloud service. Also, if you do get an nvr, check it can accommodate as many cameras and the resolution you need. Some can have 8 cameras but only if they are 2 or 3 Megapixel. If you want 8k uhd then you might only get one or two cameras supported by your nvr due to disk write speeds. Typically the high resolution cameras are great in daylight but suffer at night unless very high end. I find 3-4MP the sweet spot at the moment. Keep an eye on ebay, I picked up all my kit slowly over months but at about 75% of the price, even brand new. The one thing I have learned is that every year there's a better model so just move that to the most important location and move all the others around accordingly like you suggested.
Lex Luthor wrote: » ya looking at a POE system what about this? https://www.amazon.co.uk/Hikvision-Vision-Outdoor-DVR-Security/dp/B0751JRKK1/ref=sr_1_1?crid=1S2FH4JT8E6IR&dchild=1&keywords=hikvision%2Bcolourvu%2B4k&qid=1589525626&sprefix=hikvision%2Bc%2Caps%2C143&sr=8-1&th=1
Gooey Looey wrote: » That is a Hikvision IP over coax kit not POE. Look at the cables supplied.
Lex Luthor wrote: » ah ok, does it make any difference what cables are used if they are supplied? I need to measure the runs but I think 18m would be sufficient for me to get to all 4 camera points....one might be tricky though
Gooey Looey wrote: » What I meant was the cables supplied are coax.
Lex Luthor wrote: » Ya I got that But does it matter in terms of speed or quality if it’s a coax or Ethernet cable? If I got a system with Ethernet and cable was too short it’s a bit easier to knock one up rather than the dual coax/power cable
alta stare wrote: » I put a cheap Dahua 4 way hd system in my parents house and the picture quality is perfect. It suits them down to the ground. 1080p cameras with a hybrid machine. Going for a more expensive option just because made absolutely no sense. Do what your budget can reach. HIKvision and Dahua have such ranges for people who cant or dont want to spend loads of money on their equipment and that equipment is perfectly fine.
Lex Luthor wrote: » colleague of mine is putting a Dahua system in his place next week so will see how that goes for him and what kit he got thanks for the info
Gooey Looey wrote: » Yeah Dahua are excellent. Getting your hands on them without contacting an installer may be the issue. Most Irish suppliers are trade/PSA licence only.
Lex Luthor wrote: » having a look online at the Hilook cameras suggested Came across these 2x 4MP units Same model number by the look of it but one is a 2.8mm lens and one is a 4mm lenshttps://www.amazon.co.uk/HiLook-Hikvision-IPC-T240H-Turret-Network/dp/B07NSS9WKR/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=t240h&qid=1589699709&sr=8-2https://www.amazon.co.uk/HiLook-Progressive-CMOS-ICR-2560x1440/dp/B07DM7BZGH/ref=psdc_1330829031_t1_B07NSS9WKR In terms of picking one over the other for viewing the front of the house, I am looking at 2 different mounting locations One at approx 7ft off the ground to view the front door area and another from roof level to get the drive/garden area Would the wider fov 2.8mm be better for the lower position or would you have it the other way around? I would imagine the 4mm lens at the roof level would capture enough of the front of the property without the need to capture street aswell
machiavellianme wrote: » Have a read of this page, the pictures tell 1000 words:https://www.diysecuritycameras.com.au/faqs/general/which-lens-should-i-select.html I've personally stopped using 2.8mm entirely. They lack any kind of useful detail and it's worse at night when you need details most. Unless you like looking at your neighbours property (and I mean neighbours plural as you'll see a few houses across the street) I wouldn't recommend 2.8mm. Never put a camera too high either unless you like looking at the top of people's heads. I've mounted 4mm to cover the entire front of house (semi D) under the window sill of the second floor and its decent. Tested higher and got useless results. As a result, I bought a bunch of lenses from aliexpress and played around to figure out what does what. Ultimately, I settled on 4mm and 6mm for my place. The 6mm fared better when focusing on the gate and car but missed the lad hopping the wall to get his football back so I've the 4mm for slightly wider front and back views and 6mm at the front door and alley. If all the above is too complex, get a varifocal and select your ideal zoom. They cost a bit more and usually have poorer night vision though. That said, I've heard great things about these (there's surely a newer poe model available)https://www.megateh.eu/products/hd-cvi-cameras-dahua/dahua-hac-hdw2501tp-z-a-eyeball-hdcvi-5mp-27-135mm-10229-motorized-starlight-ir-led-60m
alta stare wrote: » Lens selection is entirely subject to what is required by the individual. What works for you may not work for someone else. The standard lens id see being installed now is the 2.8mm and if people want more depth or a tighter picture they go 3.6 or 4mm. Many people also choose varifocal lenses again depending on what they want to see. There are many variables at play when installing a cctv system and any good installer will go through these with the client. The ones who lash in the one type lens in every place they go to are the industry cowboys.
Lex Luthor wrote: » Looking at freetv.ie, any thoughts on this NVR?https://www.freetv.ie/4-way-nvr/ Add in a 2TB HDD comes in about €200 Am I right in saying then any POE camera up to 6MP can be added to this from any manufacturer or are they specific to Dahua only?
machiavellianme wrote: » Agreed, hence I suggested reading the page and I've given some personal insights. I spent a lot of time and money refining my system. The OP has said that money is a factor so I'm giving them a steer to research in advance. My experience (and that on many cctv forums) is that 2.8mm is pointless for home security applications and suited to vista viewing rather than details on intruders. What makes a "good installer"? I've not heard of any required certification to be one? I'm just an enthusiast passing some advice based on years of good and bad experience. No harm intended.
alta stare wrote: » Yeah that range are good. Very easy to use and a nicer UI than previous versions of Dahua machines. Yes you can add other manufacturers products to it and yes up to 6MP can be used.
Lex Luthor wrote: » Thanks Freetv look like they will supply the NVR to public but range of cameras to public is slim Looked at the link sent about what lens and think maybe a 6mm at the door and 4mm further up to capture the drive Then for the side entrance at a later point 8mm As for cable, as I'd probably be making up my own, I see they have various types on freetv Understand that the reason for the price difference is probably down to the composition of the wire inside, but would the cheaper CCA stuff be ok or would you be better off spending on the higher quality? In other words for these 2 rolls of 305m, is the cheaper one sufficient?https://www.freetv.ie/cat5e-utp-copper-ethernet-cable/ orhttps://www.freetv.ie/cat5e-utp/ I'd be happy enough in doing the install myself, I'm involved in instrumentation for the last 25yrs so have ran plenty signal cables and would be very picky on running them neatly and doing a neat job I've been surveying the house the last while as for varios monitoring points and based on what info you have suggested aswell which is great I'm hoping the placements will work, if they dont I can trial another location Thanks again
