Should drug dealers be celebrated and revered?

Balanadan · 13-12-2018 10:00pm #1

Drug dealers are generally demonised, particularly in the media, but is this unfair on them? Many of them are very enterprising people, risk takers, one could say entrepreneurs. Why do we get tv shows like Dragons Den but not Drug Dealers Den? Likewise, there are Entrepreneur of the Year awards, but no Drug Dealer of the Year awards.

Allinall · 13-12-2018 10:02pm

Balanadan wrote: »

Drug dealers are generally demonised, particularly in the media, but is this unfair on them? Many of them are very enterprising people, risk takers, one could say entrepreneurs. Why do we get tv shows like Dragons Den but not Drug Dealers Den? Likewise, there are Entrepreneur of the Year awards, but no Drug Dealer of the Year awards.

They could rope in Samson and Rizzla and have joint awards.

munster87 · 13-12-2018 10:03pm

I’m generalising hugely here but I’ll say no.

RocketRaccoon · 13-12-2018 10:03pm

Guys like Escobar while obviously evil ***** actually did do some fairly sound things aswell, misunderstood.

blindside88 · 13-12-2018 10:04pm

They are celebrated and reveered among certain section of society. You see young lads in their communities that look up to them and want to be just like them.

Personally I believe they they make a living by inflicting misery on huge numbers of families and I would have no problem with each and every one of them being hung by their genitals and bled out

Cypher_sounds · 13-12-2018 10:08pm

Balanadan wrote: »

Drug dealers are generally demonised, particularly in the media, but is this unfair on them? Many of them are very enterprising people, risk takers, one could say entrepreneurs. Why do we get tv shows like Dragons Den but not Drug Dealers Den? Likewise, there are Entrepreneur of the Year awards, but no Drug Dealer of the Year awards.

Because their are tonnes of pharmacy’s in Ireland but not one dragon shop.

punisher5112 · 13-12-2018 10:10pm

Demonizing????

Poor fellas my heart bleeds....

It's not a life anyone should lead and it's great when I see them getting taken out but it's a pity the hit men are absolutely ****e at it the last few years.

posturingpat · 13-12-2018 10:22pm

I hope they die a slow painful death.
So in short No.

Noveight · 13-12-2018 10:23pm

1/10.

Poor.

Greyfox · 13-12-2018 10:28pm

Balanadan wrote: »

Drug dealers are generally demonised, particularly in the media, but is this unfair on them?

Of course not. Rapists are demonised too and a drug dealer is much worse than a rapist.

Collie D · 13-12-2018 10:29pm

The guy who sold you yours obviously deserves some form of recognition for the quality of his product.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-12-2018 10:29pm

Highly intelligent people had they been born into families in different postal addresses they would be captains of industry

JohnMc1 · 13-12-2018 10:38pm

Balanadan wrote: »

Drug dealers are generally demonised, particularly in the media, but is this unfair on them? Many of them are very enterprising people, risk takers, one could say entrepreneurs. Why do we get tv shows like Dragons Den but not Drug Dealers Den? Likewise, there are Entrepreneur of the Year awards, but no Drug Dealer of the Year awards.

Societies are screwed when drug dealers and such are celebrated. Its a sign we lost the plot.

Missthekids · 13-12-2018 10:38pm

As an ex drug dealer I can tell you that there are few who make the grade, be it consuming too much product or being robbed violently by competitors or jailed for the 'entrepreneurship' tendencies it is a massive risk to achieve nothing in life.

Then again. If you are here to demonise drug dealers then I gues you should also be campaigning outside the local pub as a purveyor of problems and social issues.

Didn't think so......

posturingpat · 13-12-2018 10:40pm

Missthekids wrote: »

As an ex drug dealer I can tell you that there are few who make the grade, be it consuming too much product or being robbed violently by competitors or jailed for the 'entrepreneurship' tendencies it is a massive risk to achieve nothing in life.

Then again. If you are here to demonise drug dealers then I gues you should also be campaigning outside the local pub as a purveyor of problems and social issues.

Didn't think so......

You'll have to do better than that bit of codding

whisky_galore · 13-12-2018 10:41pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Guys like Escobar while obviously evil ***** actually did do some fairly sound things aswell, misunderstood.

Bad stuff clearly outweighs any good he did, but I can see why he is revered in certain quarters.

Dravokivich · 13-12-2018 10:42pm

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Guys like Escobar while obviously evil ***** actually did do some fairly sound things aswell, misunderstood.

He did that purely so the public wouldn't chase him out.

rgodard80a · 13-12-2018 10:42pm

They are kings among losers.
Their followers are mindless half dead zombies and sociopaths.

Rubberchikken · 13-12-2018 10:45pm

of course they must be demonized. they are a scourge and a blight on our country.
they prey on the gullible and foolish, offering an escape from whatever the gullible and foolish wish to escape from.

they themselves are as foolish as they're obviously a pawn in a much bigger game but too stupid and greedy to see that.

Missthekids · 13-12-2018 10:50pm

posturingpat wrote: »

You'll have to do better than that bit of codding

In the 90s i injected my own product. Got robbed by a big fecker with a sawn off 12 guage who kicked in my door at 3am and served over 3 years for my troubles.

In the immortal words of Mr Mackie. Drugs are bad m'kay.

(Now a decent member of society)

Missthekids · 13-12-2018 10:53pm

Rubberchikken wrote: »

of course they must be demonized. they are a scourge and a blight on our country.
they prey on the gullible and foolish, offering an escape from whatever the gullible and foolish wish to escape from.

they themselves are as foolish as they're obviously a pawn in a much bigger game but too stupid and greedy to see that.

First sentence I agree with. Second shows an ability to imagine it couldn't happen to the best and brightest. (It does)

Third. We all know what we are doing. Just as a car salesman doesn't imagine he is Henry Ford.

rgodard80a · 13-12-2018 10:57pm

Missthekids wrote: »

it couldn't happen to the best and brightest. (It does)

"the best and brightest" ? :rolleyes:

Missthekids · 13-12-2018 10:59pm

rgodard80a wrote: »

"the best and brightest" ? :rolleyes:

Go and look through your record collection. If they weren't on drugs then your taste in music is appalling.

rgodard80a · 13-12-2018 11:00pm

Missthekids wrote: »

(Now a decent member of society)

That assumes that society agrees that prison time wipes the slate clean.
That's more of a legal interpretation than a moral one.

Missthekids · 13-12-2018 11:03pm

rgodard80a wrote: »

That assumes that society agrees that prison time wipes the slate clean.
That's more of a legal interpretation than a moral one.

More to do with my own realisation that my life was going nowhere, retraining and finding gainful employment and dedicating my spare time to help kids avoid the minefield I missed but I suppose you could hold my youth against me if it suits your cause.

I use it as an emotive speech in schools. Feel free to co-opt it to make a point on an anonymous internet forum if it makes your head swell.

mollygreene · 13-12-2018 11:03pm

Greyfox wrote:

Of course not. Rapists are demonised too and a drug dealer is much worse than a rapist.

Well there's a hot take

JohnnyFlash · 13-12-2018 11:07pm

Dunphy was right, it's impossible get good cocaine in this town.

Noveight · 13-12-2018 11:19pm

Missthekids wrote: »

Go and look through your record collection. If they weren't on drugs then your taste in music is appalling.

We wouldn't have Fleetwood Mac's Rumours album (personal favourite) if it weren't for cocaine!

RWCNT · 13-12-2018 11:33pm

Don't know about lads selling coke, heroin and the like, but if someone grows their own weed and shops it then more power to them imo.

MUFC91CS · 13-12-2018 11:35pm

Fair play to them. Great to see people take a stand against outdated government policies to bring joy to so many people.

Of course it's a shame when someone falls into the pitfall of the enterprise but I'm sure without the assistance of the drug dealer they would have found another way to ruin themselves. Comes back to the whole personal responsibility thing really. I'm pretty sure the difference between most people here and the junkie on the street is not the access to supply.

Hannibal_Smith · 14-12-2018 12:00am

Could never revere the druggie Scum that broke into my gaff. Or the other druggie Scum who nicked me purse on the luas right before Christmas. Let them rot in their own puke as far as I'm concerned

Soz..just re-read the thread title and see you said drug dealer not drug users

beertons · 14-12-2018 12:04am

How much?

elstingeo · 15-12-2018 2:06am

Why celebrate it? Are you a guard...? It is a large scale problem. It’s not the sale of the substance but everything behind it.

It is a deep rooted societal problem to be fair. If you want to understand this then it takes a deep thought process.

Drugs infiltrate all members of society. The drugs aren’t the problem but their effects and the criminality behind them.

It’s a lot different than going to the off licence and getting a six pack.

Some drugs are not as bad as other, ie cannabis. Others are terrible. But they affect every user differently and their community and the one thing that the supply of all drugs have is their link to a violent criminal underworld.

Some people may say oh it’s only weed or whatever that’s sold by that easy going bloke... fair enough, but he most probably obtains it from a violent source.

If one really wanted to celebrate a drug dealers salesmanship etc then why not allow them to study business degrees or whatever.

Drugs bring communities down. Especially heroin and cocaine. They affect people on a large scale and it is a globalised problem.

Within this there is violence, murder, human trafficking and exploitation. It takes a lot for someone to obtain drugs. And a lot of people are affected along the way.

It’s easy and quick money but dangerous and unsafe. It makes people paranoid and leaves them at risk of a criminal conviction.

Then there’s users with substance misuse problems whose lives are destroyed and their families suffer. So it is not as clear cut as celebrating someone’s bright idea of operating within a niche market.

It would be much easier and safer to work a part time job in a take away than to do that nonsense.

Please go and troll somewhere else. Thanks. Maybe give that boys in the hood film a rest.

John Sacrimoni · 15-12-2018 2:17am

Not all drug dealers are violent psychos. I know a few that are fairly sound lads.

I know a few that are scum of the earth though.

Gimme A Pound · 15-12-2018 3:00am

Greyfox wrote: »

Of course not. Rapists are demonised too and a drug dealer is much worse than a rapist.

Someone who sells weed or MDMA to friends and acquaintances is worse than someone who carries out rape?

Missthekids wrote: »

As an ex drug dealer I can tell you that there are few who make the grade, be it consuming too much product or being robbed violently by competitors

Wouldn't they also be robbing competitors violently?

MUFC91CS wrote: »

Fair play to them. Great to see people take a stand against outdated government policies to bring joy to so many people.

Socking it to the man. Yeah fair play to the violent heroin dealers who intimidate people and cause misery in their communities. What "joy" does heroin bring?

No of course they should not be revered (and obviously the opening poster is just on a wind-up) but there isn't just one type of drug dealer. They're all foolish to risk their freedom and a criminal record, but not all drug dealers are large-scale dangerous heroin/cocaine dealers/dangerous scumbags.

Subcomandante Marcos · 15-12-2018 3:03am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Highly intelligent people had they been born into families in different postal addresses they would be captains of industry

What if I told you some of the most profitable coke dealers in Dublin are private school educated south side boys with dort accents.

15-12-2018 6:41am

Drug dealers are illegal versions of pubs. It doesn't matter what way you want to word it.. Alcohol and drugs can ruin people, but it's on them. I myself drink too much but how stupid would I sound blaming the pubs.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 15-12-2018 8:02am

Street pharamacists.

Anyone who rises to the top in that industry is a smart man.

Christy Kinahan Snr the most obvious eg in an Irish sense.

Multiple College Degrees and is considered an expert in criminal law.

A Barrister who defended him once stated that Christy was capable of standing Trial representing himself .

Should drug dealers be celebrated and revered?

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