Minimum alcohol pricing is nigh

The late bars will be charging 3 or 4 times the price of a cheap can.

I was out in town this weekend and didnt pay less than 7 euro for a pint.

Bars in town are really not a relevance to MUP. They just make MUP look positivley cheap.

MUP was never going to affect the price in pubs because they were always well above the minimum price anyway.

MUP prices make pre January 2022 prices look positively cheap.

JFC talk about moving the goalposts.

There is a demand for zero products, the drink culture is changing. Does the zero branding help their advertising? Yes. But it is also making people aware of the zero choices. That would be a real nanny state move.

Yep. They'll be after the packaging next looking for it to be all the same generic grey or black with warning labels on it. A nasty vindictive organisation with under currents of a. coercive toxic partner about them.

It costs a lot of money to build up a brand and maintain it at the forefront of a crowded marketplace.

AAI want Guinness to abandon their brand and sell their zero product as some sort of "I can't believe it's not Guinness".

Surely the EU will draw a line on this madness.

Listening to Pat Kenny this morning and the first item was the printing of warnings and pictures on your can of beer or bottle of wine. Jesus christ I didn't really think it was a serious debate until I heard about it. Now Pat gave it to them in spades to be fair. Why alcohol? Why not fast food such as mcdonalds or chippers etc? Should we not be putting pictures of fatty livers, damaged hearts and fat people on the packaging? Should we not have obesity warnings on your way into the outlets? Should we not have door men on stopping young children from going in?

Shouldn't Coca Cola or pepsi be made put pictures of people with rotten teeth on their labels?

Shouldn't dairy gold be made put warnings on butter products?

A very good point he made about the export of Irish Whiskeys to foreign markets. Surely if we are made sit at homes and look at these warnings having a few beers on a weekened we should be putting the same warnings on our exports. Let's not be hypocritical here. Let's be a shining light for the rest of the world. Jesus well and trully wept at this stage.

The pubs? I presume the pubs will have to carry the same warnings on a pint glass that your can of beer will carry. Why should they get to fleece people but be treated differently than your average people sitting at home having a few cans. Fcuk them. You reap what you sow. Let them implement the same warnings.

This madness has got to stop somewhere. Absolute headbangers.

Is there a compromise though? Why don't we tell these nutters that they can have their MUP or they can have warnings on Alcoholic beverages but not both.

Lunacy at this stage.

AAI were on the Claire Byrne show talking about this. The counter was some drinks industry representative, the AAI guy accused him of having a vested interested. I get the point but it was more that the AAI rep said this without even a hint of critical self awareness. I've heard them talking before and they really don't come across very well.

Just on the Irish whiskey issue it is clear that producers will have an problem.

They will be selling their products with no warning abroad but when the customers come to Ireland they will see these labels.

Very poor image to be telling tourists that Irish whiskey is a cancer risk.

Hopefully some adult in Government will cop on and just decide to wait for EU agreed labelling.

I was listening to a representative from Alcohol Action Ireland on Sunday and they really annoyed me about the separate labels for zero drinks. I mean, she actually came out and said they're harmful for those in recovery. Where are these people getting their mandate or indeed their arguments from? For the record, I haven't drank for a year and a half after recognising some difficulties with alcohol but the zero drinks have been a blessing for me. Get a pint or bottle of zero and I fit right in rather than ordering a fizzy water.

Jesus christ these weirdos will never stop

Any stats related to reduction in off sales will be worthless going forward as so many people now buy up North. Spend 5 minutes in Newry and its like being at any tesco in the South.

Labelling is one of the things in the legislation, well known to the industry going back for years. They will be lobbying hard, including outside of Ireland to prevent it happening. But, as with the smoking ban, people will probably look back and say how ahead of the curve Ireland was. I don't think even California has anything like this. (Taken from Drinks Ireland alcohol lobby interpretation of the legislation).

The Act provides for the following information on the label of an alcohol product:

• A warning to inform the public of the danger of alcohol consumption;
• A warning to inform the public of the danger of alcohol consumption when pregnant;
• A warning to inform the public of the direct link between alcohol and fatal cancers;
• The quantity of grams of alcohol contained in the product;
• The energy value expressed in kilojoules and kilocalories contained in the alcohol product,
• Details of a website run by the Health Service Executive providing information on alcohol and related harms.

Alcohol products sold in kegs or casks will have an accompanying document with the above information. Licensed premises will have a notice(s) in the legally prescribed form with above warnings and website information, confirming that a document noting the alcohol content and energy value of every product for sale in the premises is available on request. Finally, the above information will also be required to be displayed on any website that sells alcohol online.

The government must draft secondary legislation (i.e. regulations) outlining the specific wording of the warning and must notify the EU Commission under the TRIS and FIC processes to allow all other member states to input their views during a three to six month stand still period. Following this the government will finalise the regulations and the Minister for Health will sign a commencement order with a three year transition period to full implementation.  

That's the thing will pubs need massive cancer warnings all over their entrances? Will pint glasses need warnings?

And driving maddening off the scale is the realisation that all the opposition parties voted for it as well.

We are well and truly done for.