Off Topic Thread 5.0

Bazzo · 23-05-2020 8:35pm

Yep, well done by them. It won't matter a ****e to the Tories though, the man has completely revolutionised politics to them: any element of truth or honesty 100% optional.

ClanofLams · 23-05-2020 8:40pm

Don’t think this will blow over, he will be gone by Monday.

thomond2006 · 23-05-2020 8:57pm

Clegg wrote: »

A breaking story from the Mirror about Cummings breaching lockdown on a second occasion. Brilliant trap laid by them. Get the Tories to peddle their justifications for his transgression. Had to make sure someone was there to mind the kids etc. Then ram the second breach down their throats.

https://twitter.com/PippaCrerar/status/1264262838622830601?s=19

Time to get a bag of popcorn before I browse twitter to see how the sycophant cabinet MPs talk their way out of this.
That is journalistic brutality.

The Lost Sheep · 23-05-2020 9:38pm

ClanofLams wrote: »

Don’t think this will blow over, he will be gone by Monday.

I dont think it will blow over but 0 chance he'll be gone Monday.

Dave_The_Sheep · 23-05-2020 9:43pm

Ah I see they're taking the "fake news" route as exemplified by the buffoon across the water.

Not bothering to deny it or argue the point, just call it lies.

I'm sure many in England will lap it up.

stephen_n · 23-05-2020 10:37pm

They’re going full Trump and blaming it on a media campaign. Caught out on the fact he lied about the police calling. Now a second trip up weeks after he was over it. They’re just going to brazen it out and accuse everyone of politicizing it who questions them. Interestingly Bobo hasn’t tweeted in support of him, remaining at a safe distance to throw him under the bus if needed.

Actually it seems Bobo is going to come out to bat for him, even after the second trip.

prawnsambo · 24-05-2020 9:43am

A good few Tory MPs saying he should go. Steve Baker being one of them. :eek:

And Simon Hoare.

Stheno · 24-05-2020 11:17am

This stuff with Cummings is fascinating to watch alright

As for the Covid threads, I read them but rarely post, they've been taken over by the extremists on both sides but there are a small handful of moderates whose posts I look out for. I'd be of the 'we should ease all restrictions earlier, if it makes sense" camp. Getting a bit sick of how the likes of Hartis and Holohan phrase their messaging though, the tone is poor

In the real world has anyone noticed that in general people seem to be just nicer?

It's a lovely day here, I'm planning on spending it in the garden undoing the damage wrought by the wind on Friday

irishbucsfan · 24-05-2020 11:38am

Down here they’re easing things fairly quickly now. Technically bars aren’t allowed open but most are opening as restaurants (very different to most Irish pubs to be fair). I’d say by end of June most businesses will be open here. Supposedly they’re going to open the Spanish border soon and at that point they’ll be hoping for tourism from Spain/France. Not a lot of optimism that Irish/UK tourism has much chance of resuming this summer. There hasn’t been a new case in this area for over a week now

24-05-2020 11:54am

Watching Shapps this morning SKY and you would be left with the impression that Cummings is the head of Government at the moment. If I had to bet I would say that the only person who can make Cummings leave is Cummings and I'm surprised people aren't more alarmed by this.

Former Former · 24-05-2020 12:21pm

Well, the British electorate gave a resounding mandate to a PM who isn't very fond of democracy. I don't think anyone will really care in a week or two.

And if they do, well, it's their own fault. This is exactly what the British public wanted. They asked to be treated like this.

thomond2006 · 24-05-2020 1:31pm

Bookies now offering 5/6 for DC to be gone by the 1st June.

swiwi_ · 24-05-2020 2:45pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Bookies now offering 5/6 for DC to be gone by the 1st June.

Retired a while back. Hell of a ten.

24-05-2020 5:06pm

Boris Johnson confirms who the Prime Minister is and it isn't him.

I am genuinely shocked by this.

The Lost Sheep · 24-05-2020 5:15pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Boris Johnson confirms who the Prime Minister is and it isn't him.

I am genuinely shocked by this.

unfortunately I'm not. It's so depressing that theyve gone this way and I pity what's going to happen next over there for so many of family and good friends based there

Squidgy Black · 24-05-2020 5:26pm

It's hard to be really 'shocked' by anything that Bojo states these days or the actions of the party.

Mind boggling, yes, but it's just sort of expected now. It's mental. The fact he chose to say that Cummings "acted responsibly, legally and with integrity" doesn't even make sense given the context.

thomond2006 · 24-05-2020 6:00pm

https://twitter.com/UKCivilService/status/1264600481688702977?s=19

2020's Sir Humphrey has had enough.

stephen_n · 24-05-2020 6:09pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

https://twitter.com/UKCivilService/status/1264600481688702977?s=19

2020's Sir Humphrey has had enough.

Bet who ever posted that is far more likely to lose their job than Cummings.

Bazzo · 24-05-2020 6:11pm

Already deleted by the looks of it, what did it say?

stephen_n · 24-05-2020 6:13pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Already deleted by the looks of it, what did it say?

Dave_The_Sheep · 24-05-2020 6:19pm

Truth twisters? Just call it what it is, lying.

jacothelad · 24-05-2020 7:01pm

There is no more effective emetic than the sight of Spaffer Johnson and his posse of useless scrotes adopting a high moral tone in defence of the Gollum Cummings.

Ismail Mohamed Abdulwahab was a 13 year old boy from Brixton. He died in King’s College Hospital after testing positive for corona-virus. His family were not allowed to visit him and were also unable to attend his funeral because of self-isolation rules. But it's fine for Dominic Cummings to travel 260 miles in a car with his possibly infected wife and their child to be near his sister for support. Despite the fact that Cummings personal assistant lives just two roads away from his London home and Cummings wife's brother and sister both live in London. So that's perfectly reasonable. No double standards there, move along now nothing to see here.

A man arrogant enough to do what Cummings has done is clearly too arrogant to resign. A man as weak and rudderless as Johnson is surely too weak to sack him. It would be akin to the monkey sacking the organ grinder. Unless a good many more Tory MPs come out against Cummings, the story will presumably run and run. If, however, it emerges that Cummings lied to Johnson about being spoken to by the police or visiting Barnard Castle Park– and either the police are lying, or Cummings is. Why would a man who spent months concocting appalling lies for Vote Leave to vomit out to the dumb, racist, cannon fodder, window lickers who vote for Bloody Stupid Johnston, care about spewing out a few more. If you're infected with the virus why travel to your elderly parents' house? If you're infected with the virus why travel with a child in a car for 260 miles? Dominic Cummings isn't so much a rotten apple, but a rotten barrel holding all the bad apples together. He's a political spiv.

Dave_The_Sheep · 24-05-2020 7:11pm

Pratchett reference there, Jaco?

jacothelad · 24-05-2020 8:10pm

Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »

Pratchett reference there, Jaco?

Yep. I hope Starmer turns out to be Vetinari.

Dave_The_Sheep · 24-05-2020 8:33pm

One man, one vote.

swiwi_ · 24-05-2020 9:21pm

Anyone watched the Netflix Jordan documentary? I wouldn't be the biggest basketball fan, but reviews are pretty favorable, so I might have to give it a look-see.

Buer · 24-05-2020 10:06pm

swiwi_ wrote: »

Anyone watched the Netflix Jordan documentary? I wouldn't be the biggest basketball fan, but reviews are pretty favorable, so I might have to give it a look-see.

It's very good and gives a great insight into what made him tick. He is an incredible competitor but simply not a particularly nice person. He reminds me of Roy Keane a lot but I don't think he has the charm that Keane can switch on when he's interested. Jordan's production company were involved so he'd have had input into the final cut. Keep that in mind so, when it paints him in an unflattering light, the truth is potentially somewhat worse. Horace Grant has come out with scathing criticism since it finished and Scottie Pippen is reportedly unhappy also. For anyone who followed the NBA closely, they'll be familiar with stories of Jordan and his behaviour over the years.

Some of the most interesting parts are around the supporting characters. The likes of Pippen, Rodman and Phil Jackson get a lot of coverage and come across very well for the most part. Phil Jackson is possibly the biggest winner from the whole thing.

All in all, well worth a watch in a time when we're starved of sporting coverage. His ability and drive were simply incredible. It does feel very hurried and almost incomplete to me though. Some of the stories that were touched upon in early episodes didn't get any further development such as the relationship with their GM which was a key factor through their success and the eventual break up of the team.

ClanofLams · 24-05-2020 11:10pm

Even Daily Mail turning on Cummings/Johnson now. Ridiculous judgment not to get rid of him today, Johnson must do it tomorrow.

24-05-2020 11:40pm

Posted without comment but quite a positive environment being displayed!

prawnsambo · 25-05-2020 8:37am

Terrible miscalculation by Johnson really. By deciding that Cummings doesn't get hung separately, he's ensured that they're hung together. However long that takes.

irishbucsfan · 25-05-2020 9:04am

Johnson’s government would fall apart if he sacked Cummings anyway. He’d lose everyone loyal to Cummings and he’s burned bridges with everyone who despises him.

Former Former · 25-05-2020 9:22am

I've seen interesting suggestions that the switch from "stay home" to "stay alert" coincided almost exactly with Cummings' issues.

Hmmm.

Bazzo · 25-05-2020 9:24am

Good thing there's only four and a half more years of this clown show to look forward to. The fact the Tories got elected on a mandate of "getting it done" is absurd, I really do not understand the electorate at all.

swiwi_ · 25-05-2020 9:32am

Would there be anything to be said for a separate British politics thread? I’m almost gagging for a decent gridiron discussion...

thomond2006 · 25-05-2020 9:49am

swiwi_ wrote: »

Would there be anything to be said for a separate British politics thread? I’m almost gagging for a decent gridiron discussion...

3 months to go for any NFL talk.

prawnsambo · 25-05-2020 10:07am

swiwi_ wrote: »

Would there be anything to be said for a separate British politics thread? I’m almost gagging for a decent gridiron discussion...

We could talk about Jacinda Ardern's ability to stay on her feet during a 5.9 strength earthquake.

Podge_irl · 25-05-2020 10:12am

thomond2006 wrote: »

3 months to go for any NFL talk.

If even then...

I suspect there will be some false starts in all these sports re-opening plans.

Buer · 25-05-2020 10:23am

swiwi_ wrote: »

Would there be anything to be said for a separate British politics thread? I’m almost gagging for a decent gridiron discussion...

Oh boy, are you in luck. ESPN are going to do a Tom Brady documentary similar to the Jordan one in a continuation of "People Buer Hates" series. John Hayes is rumoured to be in negotiations too.

thomond2006 · 25-05-2020 10:28am

30 for 30: Pashun

jacothelad · 25-05-2020 1:19pm

Bazzo wrote: »

Good thing there's only four and a half more years of this clown show to look forward to. The fact the Tories got elected on a mandate of "getting it done" is absurd, I really do not understand the electorate at all.

It was also about Corbyn and the Labour Party's loonytoon 2nd referendum/no referendum/ maybe/ yes/ no rubbish and the fact that Corbyn is despised by millions. He was unelectable and stuffed into the leadership role by a mad decision to allow a mob of cretins to elect the leader. It was akin to the days of Militant and Derek Hatton back in the 80s. That was fought off but they never went away. This time round the lunatics were allowed to control the keys to the asylum via a party within the party in the guise of Momentum. Top that off with the fact that Corbyn is as thick as pigsh1t.

Add in the Lib Dems electing on the face of it, a smart leader who turned out to be a complete fruitcake and instead of a good support it collapsed when the Libs agreed with her stupidity and arrogance.

Synode · 25-05-2020 2:01pm

Anyone watch the golf last night? Far more entertaining than last week. Tom Brady was absolutely hacking around the course until this shot on the 7th

https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/1264687921392730120?s=20

Clegg · 25-05-2020 2:55pm

I see some pepole are trying to turn Varadkar's trip to the Phoenix Park into a Dom Cummings esque lockdown breach.

sydthebeat · 25-05-2020 3:03pm

Clegg wrote: »

I see some pepole are trying to turn Varadkar's trip to the Phoenix Park into a Dom Cummings esque lockdown breach.

just shinners trying to point score

Clegg · 25-05-2020 3:12pm

sydthebeat wrote: »

just shinners trying to point score

And that weirdo Christian fundie John McGuirk. But I'm convinced he's trumpeting Leo's 'lack of moral authority' for much more sinister reasons.

nc6000 · 25-05-2020 3:27pm

Synode wrote: »

Anyone watch the golf last night? Far more entertaining than last week. Tom Brady was absolutely hacking around the course until this shot on the 7th

https://twitter.com/PGATOUR/status/1264687921392730120?s=20

I actually did see that when I switched on CNN expecting the news but watched a few minutes to see what it was like. Looks like I timed it well as that seems to have been the highlight.

25-05-2020 3:55pm

Just heard about this press conference. For some reason this great scene jumped into my head:

Neil3030 · 25-05-2020 3:56pm

jacothelad wrote: »

It was also about Corbyn and the Labour Party's loonytoon 2nd referendum/no referendum/ maybe/ yes/ no rubbish and the fact that Corbyn is despised by millions. He was unelectable and stuffed into the leadership role by a mad decision to allow a mob of cretins to elect the leader. It was akin to the days of Militant and Derek Hatton back in the 80s. That was fought off but they never went away. This time round the lunatics were allowed to control the keys to the asylum via a party within the party in the guise of Momentum. Top that off with the fact that Corbyn is as thick as pigsh1t.

Add in the Lib Dems electing on the face of it, a smart leader who turned out to be a complete fruitcake and instead of a good support it collapsed when the Libs agreed with her stupidity and arrogance.

Problem is, Labour's support straddles the metropolitan crowd in London and other big cities (remain) and the working class crowd in suburban industrial towns (leave). They were doomed if they picked a side. Operation fudge damn near got them elected in the snap GE in 2017. But in hindsight, the public moved on by the next GE, and wanted something more definitive, more closure, whatever it was. The left across the world now face the unenviable task of winning back working class voters who are essentially right wing in most respects, and increasingly hypnotized by nationalist rhetoric and media propaganda.

prawnsambo · 25-05-2020 4:45pm

Corbyn's problem with brexit stemmed from his approach right from the start. Being ambivalent in a campaign just allows for confusion and from there it just got more confused. They had a policy to oppose it and he was not 100% behind that. 70% by his own admission. Had he taken a firm stand at that point, it may well have not even got over the line.

25-05-2020 4:50pm

If anyone wants to watch the end of the Johnson government tune in.

Utterly embarrassing.

I needed to 'test drive' to see if I was well enough to drive home so I went to this nice castle.

Stheno · 25-05-2020 4:53pm

Deleted User wrote: »

If anyone wants to watch the end of the Johnson government tune in.

Utterly embarrassing.

I needed to 'test drive' to see if I was well enough to drive home so I went to this nice castle.

Ah but the poor chaps eyesight was affected by his illness :pac:

Where's your compassion Venjur?

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