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Dublin Directories

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  • #152
    shanew
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Shane

    Do you have anything around 1937 for Dublin?

    If so, could you please check 21 Seapark Road, Dollymount (Clontarf now).

    ....

    I've a gap for the 1930's which I'm still trying to plug - closest I have at the moment are 1930 and 1944

    1930 : (I dont see a listing for Seapark Rd.)
    1944 : Dr. Heitler


  • #153
    pinkypinky
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    Ok, thanks. I'll add that to my Pearse St list on Saturday.*



    *reviewing Thoms, not stealing one for you!

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  • #154
    shanew
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    As far as I remember Eadaoin, occasional poster on RootsChat (and contrib. to IGP) has a Thom's 1937 - might be worth a post on the Dublin board


  • #155
    KildareFan
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    From the newspapers it looks like Seapark Road was built from around 1933 onwards.


  • #156
    pinkypinky
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    Woohoo: Eadaoin came up trumps. It adds some weight to my theory. I'll post about it when I have more evidence.

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  • #157
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    129 South Circular Road, Kilmainham.
    One of my successful look-ups on the GRO was an infant death in 1919 –and the place of death is the above on the SCR. Today 129 is ‘Belvilla’, a large HSE facility opened in 1998 but there also is a Belvilla linked to Mount Carmel (synonymous with maternity) so I wonder if it's a recent HSE coincidence or was no. 129 a maternity home of some sort in 1919? Or a private house, different to no. 129 today, due to renumbering? Google seems blank on any historical details….. Thanks.


  • #158
    shanew
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    Thom's 1919 - Circular Road, South (Kilmainham section)
    (from Old Kilmainham Road to Rialto Bridge)
    No. 129 W. Loughlin

    129 was close to the Old Kilmainham Road end, almost opposite Richmond Lodge


  • #159
    shanew
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    Belvilla appears to be one of the other 129s on the section of the S.C.R. adjacent to Griffith (Wellington) Barracks opposite Raymond St. near Leonards Corner - that's the section between Clanbrassil St. and Dolphin's Barn. 129 on this section is shown as Jos. Cohen


  • #160
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    shanew wrote: »
    Thom's 1919 - Circular Road, South (Kilmainham section)
    (from Old Kilmainham Road to Rialto Bridge)
    No. 129 W. Loughlin

    129 was close to the Old Kilmainham Road end, almost opposite Richmond Lodge

    Many thanks Shane - I'd go with the Kilmainham end; but it raises a conundrum. I'm researching a C McLoughlin (per his marriage cert, father same name), however a witness to the marriage was a William McLoughlin). There might be no connection and it could be coincidental - he might have been renting from W. Loughlin. I'll start looking at the census later when I have some time, it's a far-out connection, in-laws of that era.


  • #161
    nikonuser
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    Shane, many thanks for your help in the past. Would it be possible to shed any light on my GG Granddad, Patrick Dodd, who seemed to have an interest in a few properties in Barrow St. As far as I know he and another man received a grant of land from Lord Pembroke (who owned most of that area at that time). They built several houses, Patrick having 2, 5, 9 and 10. No's 2 and 5 are still owned by family members.
    Any help you can give would be appreciated.
    Cheers
    Jimmie


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  • #162
    shanew
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    nikonuser wrote: »
    Shane, many thanks for your help in the past. Would it be possible to shed any light on my GG Granddad, Patrick Dodd, who seemed to have an interest in a few properties in Barrow St. As far as I know he and another man received a grant of land from Lord Pembroke (who owned most of that area at that time). They built several houses, Patrick having 2, 5, 9 and 10. No's 2 and 5 are still owned by family members....

    do you have some dates ?

    The listings show principle business, occupant or householder rather than owner, so not sure if they will help.

    edit : I think we've looked into this before - see posts 94 to 102


  • #163
    pinkypinky
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    Shane,

    I got into Pearse this afternoon and did my research. What does the monetary value beside a name mean? For example, the address I was looking at had

    21 (house number) M Watters (rates payer/head of house?) and then £28.

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  • #164
    spurious
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    It's the valuation for the house. If you compare it to others on the street you'll see was it seen as bigger and better.


  • #165
    pedroeibar1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,108 ✭✭✭pedroeibar1


    More precisely it’s a ‘rateable valuation’ – a notional value of the property on which ‘rates’ (a form of property tax) was assessed. It goes back to the mid 1800’s, when all properties were valued. The council/local authority would ‘strike a rate’ of ‘£x in the £’ so for example a rate of £10 in the £ would mean a property valued at £28 was liable for rates of £280. It was killed off for residential property by FF (and won them an election) in 1977 but rates remain to this day for commercial property. Rates were a continuation of cess tax, used for paying for local government services and are a precursor of LPT, water & bin charges.

    I've an ancestor who is recorded as having 'plotted the cess' which always struck me as a rather arcane occupation!


  • #166
    nikonuser
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    Shane, many thanks for your answer, 17/09. I had raised this issue before and have still been unable to marry our family stories of P Dodd building and owning 4 houses in Barrow St. I have yet to discover anything that would point to him owning these 4 houses, no's 2,5,9 & 10. Two of the houses are still owned at the moment by descendants of Patrick so it is fair to assume that he owned at least 2 of them.

    The reason I am looking in to this is that we think that an old man owning 4 houses (he was in his 70's when he met his future wife), letting out 3 for lodgers was the reason he met his very young wife (she is listed as 'Minor' when they marry in 1882) who came to Barrow St. to housekeep for him. This was the reason she met him, we were always told. Maybe she only mixed the 2 houses?

    Thanks again.
    J


  • #167
    shanew
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    did you try the valuation office records ?
    these cover up to the abolition of rates (1970s) in most areas, and should give you the owner, or at least a middleman for the properties


  • #168
    shanew
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    found a Patrick Todd as occupant at no. 2 in mid 1960s and 70s if that helps...


  • #169
    nikonuser
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    Shane, I haven't tried them, though I now note that you suggested this before. Apologies. Are they available online or would the Dublin City Library in Pearse Street have records do you know? J


  • #170
    shanew
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    nikonuser wrote: »
    Shane, I haven't tried them, though I now note that you suggested this before. Apologies. Are they available online or would the Dublin City Library in Pearse Street have records do you know? J

    you have to visit the Valuation Office, it's in the Irish Life Centre, Lower Abbey St. - http://www.valoff.ie/en/Archives_Genealogy_Public_Office/ The original details are in Books, but records for some counties have been scanned and can be viewed in the office, but not online.


  • #171
    nikonuser
    Registered Users Posts: 136 ✭✭nikonuser


    Patrick Todd, no, 2 was actually Patrick Dodd, a grandson of old Patrick Daniel. He passed away only a few years ago. It was from him that I learned about Barrow St being built in the 1840's and that Patrick Daniels's wife was Indian. Many stories but separating the facts from the story... That's why we do what we do i suppose.

    A trip to Abbey St in order so.

    Many thanks, Jimmie


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  • #172
    pinkypinky
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    Shane,

    Do you have anything from the 1930s? I'm interested to know if 172 South Circular Road was a nursing home. Found a birth registered there in 1935 but the parents' address is different.

    Thanks,
    Pinky

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  • #173
    L1011
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    This is a history rather than genealogy question, but to avoid repeating content and as it is Dublin directory related... +-Does anyone know if there are either 1970s-early 2000s Golden Pages (scanned or physical) or scanned and OCRed phonebooks online or physically studiable?

    As I want a category of something, reading an entire phonebook is out of the question - I did read an entire non-OCRed Thoms
    already!


  • #174
    shanew
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    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Shane,

    Do you have anything from the 1930s? I'm interested to know if 172 South Circular Road was a nursing home. Found a birth registered there in 1935 but the parents' address is different.

    Thanks,
    Pinky

    I'll have a look later on... I dont have great coverage for the 1930s, def. have 1930 and I think '38. I know some of the numbers on SCR repeat but I think 172 is unique and would have been on the Clanbrassil St. to Dolphin's barn section. The other sections are usually listed as SCR Rialto, and SCR Islandbridge


  • #175
    shanew
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    1930 : 172 SCR John Merrigan - it's part of Salem Terrace (162-172)

    same listing in the 1943 edition

    edit : John Merrigan appears to have been a store-keeper - death cert 1944 172 SCR


  • #176
    montgo
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    Hi Shane,
    Wondering if Cornelius McGrath appears on any Dublin directory before 1898 (year of his marriage & death). His address was 30 Fontenoy St, draper at time of marriage. His wife, Margaret Theresa Dunne (widow of William Dunne) was living 5/6 Talbot St (shop/dwelling) but had moved to Iona Road by 1911. Any further info on her?

    Here is the 1901 census and oddly "Idolater" was recorded under Religious heading!


  • #177
    tabbey
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    [QUOTE=montgo;
    Here is the 1901 census and oddly "Idolater" was recorded under Religious heading![/QUOTE]

    Idolator - an RC who was a bit paranoid thinking that the government still considered them to be idolators for praying to plaster statues.

    I am sure all the other people on the form would have just described themselves as catholic.


  • #178
    montgo
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    tabbey wrote: »
    Idolator - an RC who was a bit paranoid thinking that the government still considered them to be idolators for praying to plaster statues.

    I am sure all the other people on the form would have just described themselves as catholic.

    Thanks, I hadn't across the term before on the census. Margaret & family went back to RC for 1911 census.


  • #179
    shanew
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    montgo wrote: »
    Hi Shane,
    Wondering if Cornelius McGrath appears on any Dublin directory before 1898 (year of his marriage & death). His address was 30 Fontenoy St, draper at time of marriage. His wife, Margaret Theresa Dunne (widow of William Dunne) was living 5/6 Talbot St (shop/dwelling) but had moved to Iona Road by 1911. Any further info on her?
    ....

    1895 - no McGraths, or Drapers on Fontenoy St. (there are very few businesses)
    1891 - no McGraths in street listing, just one McGrath listed as Draper in the trades index, a Thomas McGrath & Co., 40 Main Street Blackrock (Co. Dublin). 5 Talbot Street is listed as Dunne & Co, family grocers, wine, spirit, & prov. merch, and 6 as Nelson, Jas. Colonial Meat Co


  • #180
    spurious
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    There was a Mrs. Dunne in 2 Iona Road in 1932.


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  • #181
    montgo
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    Many thanks to you both for the look up.


  • #182
    shanew
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    for ref. in 1895 no. 30 is listed as John Seymour, accountant


  • #183
    montgo
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    I suspect that Cornelius was only renting at Iona Road as he was born in Tipperary. I was hoping to get a timeline for his arrival in Dublin and the name of the store where he worked. Possibly Guineys as it was close to Dunnes Wine & Grocery:)


  • #184
    pinkypinky
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    Shane

    Is there a way to check where Ryan's Buildings were? I can't find them now but here they are on 1901
    http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Fitzwilliam/Ryans_Buildings/

    I wish the census site included DED maps so you could see which was beside which.

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  • #185
    shanew
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    should be possible will have a look later.

    from the Form N sub district - Lad Lane Division, St. Peter's civil parish...


    EDIT found a ref. on Charlemont St, between nos. 19 and 20 - '..here Ryan's buildings intersect..'


  • #186
    shanew
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    c1900 OSI map Ryan's Bldgs.


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  • #187
    Whereisgerry?
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    Hi there,

    Do you have any details of who lived at 84 Ranelagh Rd? I understand that there was a Dr David Jackson living there until his death in the late 1920s. Prior to that a barrister named George Swettenham lived there. I'm interested to find out what happened to the house from after Davids death to the present day.

    Regards,
    Gerry


  • #188
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    Also, would you have any info on the location of the Hughs Buildings, Inns Quay?


  • #189
    shanew
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Also, would you have any info on the location of the Hughs Buildings, Inns Quay?

    as Hughe's Buildings on 1901 census, cForm N shows St. George's civil parish
    Hughes' buildings, Glengariff parade (Thom's Street Index 1914)
    Glengariff parade is near Phibsborough, and fit's with other nearby streets listed in the same DED - e.g. Killarney Parade, Mountjoy prison etc.

    The entry in 1914 street shows Hughes's Buildings, Glengarrif Parade '39 small houses', but no further details. There's no mention in the listing for Glengarrif Parade.

    There's no sign of the buildings on the 25 OSI map.

    Will check further listings ...


  • #190
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    shanew wrote: »
    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Also, would you have any info on the location of the Hughs Buildings, Inns Quay?

    as Hughe's Buildings on 1901 census, cForm N shows St. George's civil parish
    Hughes' buildings, Glengariff parade (Thom's Street Index 1914)
    Glengariff parade is near Phibsborough, and fit's with other nearby streets listed in the same DED - e.g. Killarney Parade, Mountjoy prison etc.

    The entry in 1914 street shows Hughes's Buildings, Glengarrif Parade '39 small houses', but no further details. There's no mention in the listing for Glengarrif Parade.

    There's no sign of the buildings on the 25 OSI map.

    Will check further listings ...

    Thanks Shane. This makes sense. The family lived on Glengarriff Parade at one point so it's probably the same house.


  • #191
    shanew
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Hi there,

    Do you have any details of who lived at 84 Ranelagh Rd? I understand that there was a Dr David Jackson living there until his death in the late 1920s. Prior to that a barrister named George Swettenham lived there. I'm interested to find out what happened to the house from after Davids death to the present day.

    Regards,
    Gerry

    1914 - 84 Ranelagh Rd. (nr. jct. with Dartmouth Road.)
    David Jackson, L.R.C.S.I., L.R.C.P.I. L.M.
    he's at the same address in 1927, he died 1929.

    not sure if there's a connection, but I think there was a Dr. Jackson somewhere in Ranelagh near my Grandfather's Chemist.


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  • #192
    Whereisgerry?
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Hi there,

    Do you have any details of who lived at 84 Ranelagh Rd? I understand that there was a Dr David Jackson living there until his death in the late 1920s. Prior to that a barrister named George Swettenham lived there. I'm interested to find out what happened to the house from after Davids death to the present day.

    Regards,
    Gerry

    Did you have any luck with this Shane? This one has really confused me!


  • #193
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    shanew wrote: »
    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    Hi there,

    Do you have any details of who lived at 84 Ranelagh Rd? I understand that there was a Dr David Jackson living there until his death in the late 1920s. Prior to that a barrister named George Swettenham lived there. I'm interested to find out what happened to the house from after Davids death to the present day.

    Regards,
    Gerry

    1914 - 84 Ranelagh Rd. (nr. jct. with Dartmouth Road.)
    David Jackson, L.R.C.S.I., L.R.C.P.I. L.M.
    he's at the same address in 1927, he died 1929.

    not sure if there's a connection, but I think there was a Dr. Jackson somewhere in Ranelagh near my Grandfather's Chemist.

    I'm not sure if David Jackson was related to me - I think this house was owned by my great great grandmother In the 1930s - not sure if the house was left to her or she bought it.


  • #194
    shanew
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    Whereisgerry? wrote: »
    I'm not sure if David Jackson was related to me - I think this house was owned by my great great grandmother In the 1930s - not sure if the house was left to her or she bought it.

    I'll check 1930s and 40's listings for No. 84 this evening.


  • #195
    shanew
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    from the 1929 Probate Calendar for David - granted to Elizabeth McD. Simpson widow

    was poking around the census ... transcriber of the 1911 return lost it little when working on this - has David's occupation transcribed as 'Electricians Apprentice', clearly has Physician & Surgeon Licentiate, Royal College of Physicians & Surgeons Ireland.

    His wife Frances Emily died in 1922


  • #196
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    Hmm.. that still doesn't add up to me. We felt that the house had been left to my great great grandmother but I have no idea who Elizabeth Simpson is. I don't think my great great grandmother owned the house until the late 1930's - to mid 1940's.

    Ha! Poor David - demoted from a surgeon to an electricians apprentice.


  • #197
    pinkypinky
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    Check who was paying the rates in the Valuation office maybe?

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  • #198
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    pinkypinky wrote: »
    Check who was paying the rates in the Valuation office maybe?
    Thanks Pinkypinky! No luck with that search unfortunately.


  • #199
    shanew
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    shanew wrote: »
    I'll check 1930s and 40's listings for No. 84 this evening.

    84 Ranelagh Rd.

    1930 : vacant
    1938 : let in flats
    1944 : let in flats
    1949 : let in flats

    Elizabeth McD. Simpson was the executrix, but may not have been a beneficiary - the will should be available from the NAI

    EDIT : found where the stray occupation came from - the last person in the previous house at 82 is an Electricians Apprentice.


  • #200
    Whereisgerry?
    Registered Users Posts: 166 ✭✭Whereisgerry?


    Thanks so much for checking.

    Hmm..strange indeed! Maybe she just lived in a flat there. Are you able to see after 1949 what happened? My great grandmother died in 1958 but I was given the impression her son's lived there until the 70's.


  • #201
    shanew
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    1953 - let in flats
    1958 - let in flats
    1962 - let in flats, same in 65 and 69

    (edited - reading the wrong no. 84 ...)


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