what CoronaVirus precautions are your club taking?

This is about containment, not stopping it altogether. That cant happen in western world as we cant take the steps the Chinese did.

The UKs principle of herd immunity turned out not to be correct.

The number of cases are significantly higher is some countries than been reported in others. I know two people (one in UK and one in Sweden) who have had it and not even been tested.

If we can do social distancing correctly we can control the spread. Ideally we would like to keep cases at slightly higher than they are now. That is controllable.

I hope we are a little bit away from UK measures IF we are all sensible

gypsy79 wrote: »

If we can do social distancing correctly we can control the spread. Ideally we would like to keep cases at slightly higher than they are now. That is controllable.

The FT do good updates and tracking daily. They had a set of graphs showing how countries are trending relative to how things went in Italy, and Irelands tracking numbers were almost identical to Italys, so I would say that we don't want the pace getting any higher than it is, based on the state of Italy now

gypsy79 wrote: »

The issue with comparing these statistics are like comparing apples and oranges due to the different levels of testing in different countries. The United States is a massive one here. New York is a massive outlier there. So the distance we live apart should help!!

It appears the average age of the population is a massive contributor (see Spain and Italy)

We are following WHO recommendations to TEST TEST TEST. Others are not or cannot.

I understand all of that, my criticism was more of your point that you think we should be seeing a higher level of cases.

Everyone in government & health services is screaming flatten the curve, so I'm not sure of your logic to suggest we need higher case load.

We had an enormous issue with bed shortages in the system before this all kicked off, so I don't know that our system is capable of handling any further spikes?

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

What do people make of the latest Government announcements on outdoor gatherings of no more than 4 people at a time. Anybody think courses may remain open based on this latest lock-down measure.

Its ambiguous.

Did he mention all sport ?

Lads if you can get it from playing golf with the current measures in place then you will get it anywhere. Its still droplets that have to get into/onto your soft wet face tissue. Its not airborne and its not the zombie virus. Will people please switch their brains back on for minute amidst all the hysteria?

And to those smartarses...we have to be expert virologists now to express an opinion, yes? I assume thats what you all are then?

You put enough people into a room and give them enough time to think there will always be 'we can do more'. Whether it makes sense is another matter though.

Unnecessary travel is really the main point. Its not a necessity to play golf unfortunatly.

Ah_go_on wrote: »

He stated clubs. Unfortunately I think that means we won’t be playing for a while.

There could be an unintended financial benefit for some golf clubs in all this. If golf clubs are closed, some staff could be laid off and claim the new social welfare benefit while the club has the membership subs safely in the bank.
They would lose green fees but in our club that doesn’t amount to much. I’d guess that the prestige clubs who make a fortune from green fee golf won’t be too happy.
But, I suppose that none of these things are really all that important in the grand scheme of things.

Lefty2Guns wrote: »

What do people make of the latest Government announcements on outdoor gatherings of no more than 4 people at a time. Anybody think courses may remain open based on this latest lock-down measure.

no

Glebee wrote: »

Unnecessary travel is really the main point. Its not a necessity to play golf unfortunatly.

some people still don't get that!:rolleyes:

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Lads if you can get it from playing golf with the current measures in place then you will get it anywhere. Its still droplets that have to get into/onto your soft wet face tissue. Its not airborne and its not the zombie virus. Will people please switch their brains back on for minute amidst all the hysteria?

And to those smartarses...we have to be expert virologists now to express an opinion, yes? I assume thats what you all are then?

You put enough people into a room and give them enough time to think there will always be 'we can do more'. Whether it makes sense is another matter though.

i don't think anybody has said you can get it from playing golf.

but you can stop spreading it by simply limiting your movements to the bare necessity. ie, stay the fucx home

Total bullsh1t overreaction imo. We've gone into hyperventilation. Just doing 'something more' to be doing something more.
I understand that people are scared and will try to get some idea of control and sure the others are doing it so must we, but this is nonsense.

You literally have to get someones's spit into your mouth. And I do know thats not as impossible as it sounds. However thats still what it takes as far as I know. How we got from there to its unsafe to pursue some solitary outdoor activities no-one will ever know.

blue note wrote: »

It wouldn't be spreading as it is if it were that card to get.

It is obviously not that hard to get. But I fail to see how you can get it outdoors while not touching anything and not being close to anyone.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It is obviously not that hard to get. But I fail to see how you can get it outdoors while not touching anything and not being close to anyone.

You don't teleport there.

If you don't have to do it, don't do it.

What's the bets the weather will be glorious in the next few weeks :mad:

runawaybishop wrote: »

You don't teleport there.

If you don't have to do it, don't do it.

Golfers don't really sit in the crowded bus breathing down someones neck with their bag over their shoulder. I drive there in my car. Which would be a risk why exactly?

CalamariFritti wrote: »

^ Thats exactly what he said. PR.

Social distancing* my arse anyway. Don't touch anything out there and don't talk into anyones face. Well and don't spit, sneeze and cough into their faces either obviously.

Its not like you come within 2 metres of someone and it hops you like a flea.

* social distancing is wrong also. We don't want to distance ourselves socially. We want to distance ourselves physically. I'm like Victor Meldrew here.

The way I play golf, physical distancing is no problem, (usually the adjoining fairway).

CalamariFritti wrote: »

It is obviously not that hard to get. But I fail to see how you can get it outdoors while not touching anything and not being close to anyone.

I think this is flawed. Anytime you are out at a golf course, you see an event that shouldn't happen. Peoples concept of social distancing and the risk associated with this are so varied and subjective, put these variations together in enough combinations and you have an unplanned event. We may find after all this, the risk was tiny in conversation, playing golf - but studies are finding it can exist in air , this is extraordinary. The real problem with Covid is the consequences are just too high to justify the low risk - a single person can infect 406 people in 30 days. The death rate at present of Closed Cases is 15% :eek:

I decided to play solo golf only - for my own personal reasons. But at least 4 times events happened that shouldn't have - lads who know you, would come over, stand close, get closer. All well meaning. I told them to step back. At the start people had no concept of 2 meters - most people about 25 to 50 % out.

As for the 4 balls - at the start it was comical , was just like a normal 4 ball and even worse - the elbow tapping and joking within 2 or 3 feet. Talking next to cars after round as if a normal Saturday - tee boxes, greens. Not a chance most groups were keeping it a 2 Meters. I watched closely. Things did improve , but external factors took over. It proved you can not trust people. The more they do it , they get a bit slack, familiar, fall into their old ways. Suddenly want ice cream, chips and coffee. Is this thing , in restaurants (yes), on surfaces (yes), in our food :eek: ?

As for kids on the course - mixing and as if on holiday.

Do we know everything about this yet. We have feelings , ideas, logic , you have - but this thing isn't getting better anywhere in Europe yet. People were still using Italy as a good example about 2 weeks ago.

I was certainly with the argument that open air has to be a multiple levels lower of risk. But sadly the more and more we know about this - it is fairly serious - talk of it living in air :eek: now found on surfaces up to 14 days after event (cruise ship). Extraordinary. We still don't fully understand this. .

And if most people are 100 % honest - they got too close to someone on a course, they touch a thing they shouldn't have or increased their risk, sand bags, bins, broken tees, sand boxes, pins, rakes - and no matter what, cups were touched, other people's golf balls, finds, ball cleaners, bins. I've only started - I'd say people seen worse ? - if being 100 % honest.

I congratulate the extraordinary effort and achievement and so much valuable lessons to start up golf again.

But - considering it is an actual national emergency , as devastated as I am. Being worried about golf , is genuinely a bit selfish to be honest. And, I'm having a dig at myself.

And - as every week has gone by , we know what we felt last week was wrong.

I always knew golf was a bit self absorbed. I think this is probably the final proof.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I will acknowledge that the risk is not zero. How low or not low it really is we both cannot say for sure. Nobody can.

However, I dare say from what we know of the virus - or lets say what the experts tell us about it - the chance of transmitting it out on the golf course with some precaution is very very likely to be minute.

It being airborne and surviving more than 3 days is the first I heard and with all respect I won't take the word of a guy on the internet for it. That sounds more like facebook going into overdrive tbh.

downthemiddle wrote: »

Far from 14 days. I thought I missed some news there.

Being an aerosol and being airborne are not the same thing as far as I understand it. An aerosol is mistified liquid. What we exhale or the very fine droplets that come out of our mouths when talk animately or cough or sneeze.
Airborne in the sense of contagion is when the virus or whatever truly travels in the air and you can contract it simply by being in the area.
An aerosol contaminates the surface its sprayed on. Hence the washing hands thing as you may have come in contact with contaminated surfaces.

I know its a scary thing but lets not make it scarier than it already is.

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Far from 14 days. I thought I missed some news there.

Being an aerosol and being airborne are not the same thing as far as I understand it. An aerosol is mistified liquid. What we exhale or the very fine droplets that come out of our mouths when talk animately or cough or sneeze.
Airborne in the sense of contagion is when the virus or whatever truly travels in the air and you can contract it simply by being in the area.
An aerosol contaminates the surface its sprayed on. Hence the washing hands thing as you may have come in contact with contaminated surfaces.

I know its a scary thing but lets not make it scarier than it already is.

14 days is the quarantine period.