CoronaVirus

killbillvol2 · 25-02-2020 3:50pm

CBear1993 wrote: »

Was planning to go away at easter with the girlfriend, we're both mid 20s. Looking at various places in Europe including italy. Yesterday's news about the outbreak in Northern Italy is quite concerning.. stalling our bookings now.

The chinese government obviously have played this virus down all along. It's now killed 3 europeans inside 48 hours after contracting.

If china could have forgot about their wallet for once and shut down the whole country for 2-3 weeks after first outbreak - no flights, no trains, no boats, it would have been contained. Now how do we know it isn't it several countries in the world?

I don't condone Ryanair CEO's comments over the weekend about selective screening - but let's be honest.

Shouldn't airports take extra precautions on people of Asian descent passing through right now?

You clearly do "condone" Ryanair CEO's comments.

What a stupid post.

How would you enforce your plan?

Stop all Asians? Indians? Bangladeshis? Filipinas? Thais? Malaysians? Vietnamese? Pakistanis?

Or would you just target Chinese looking people? What about people who look Chinese but aren't? Can you tell the difference between Chinese and all other "Asians"? What about people who have Chinese parents but have never even been to China? Would you stop them because they look Chinese?

And what's your cunning plan for extra precautions? Spray them? Quarantine them? Send them back to where they came from?

:rolleyes:

overkill602 · 25-02-2020 4:19pm

killbillvol2 wrote: »

You clearly do "condone" Ryanair CEO's comments.

What a stupid post.

How would you enforce your plan?

Stop all Asians? Indians? Bangladeshis? Filipinas? Thais? Malaysians? Vietnamese? Pakistanis?

Or would you just target Chinese looking people? What about people who look Chinese but aren't? Can you tell the difference between Chinese and all other "Asians"? What about people who have Chinese parents but have never even been to China? Would you stop them because they look Chinese?

And what's your cunning plan for extra precautions? Spray them? Quarantine them? Send them back to where they came from?

:rolleyes:

Was in Vietnam last week lots of asians look a like hard to tell who is from where best avoid getting to close and wash those hands before you touch your face dont touch surfaces, after check in when you get your passport back, wash hands.
Airline may cancel return flights if there is a sudden outbreak any where.
or if you are in an area you could be in forced quarantine.
check ur insurance covers any medical related to the virus.
Local airline staff are wearing face masks might look a bit strange at first.
Face masks offer little protection but if someone infected or feels unwell it will reduce a chance of spreading.

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 4:29pm

Asian tourists in Milan wearing stickers on their jackets to say they're not Chinese:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8041467/Coronavirus-spreads-SOUTH-Italy-infected-tourist-north-visits-Sicily.html#i-10e0c1728fe1e930

25-02-2020 4:49pm

My Dad is seriously thinking about postponing his trip to Vietnam in a few weeks. Pity, but he doesn't like the idea, and he's in his 70s, so I told him to move the flights in a week or so depending on how things play out.

Official figures are 16 had it and 16 recovered.

junebabies · 25-02-2020 6:38pm

Honest opinions how do you feel about travelling in Europe now?. We are ment to go to Paris in 5 weeks time. With all the latest outbreaks of this virus I'm genuinely getting worried. Catching the virus aside there is the issue if someone in our hotel catching it and us been left in lockdown/quarantine for 2 weeks.
I have 2 kids also so not just myself to worry about. One of the kids as additional health issues tho she is very well at the moment.
We have until next week to make free amendments on our hotel (which was expensive). I doubt our insurance will cover flight but they weren't overly expensive anyway so not bothered about.

otnomart · 25-02-2020 8:23pm

5 weeks time is plenty of time for watching the situation evolve.
Do follow French media (many have English language versions) to get local info in the meantime.

France is not carrying out many tests - so the number of cases is low.
There were two new reported cases today, one is "a woman in Paris who has recently returned from China".
https://www.thelocal.fr/20200225/latest-two-new-cases-of-coronavirus-in-france-including-man-recently-returned-from-italy

This article states that an average of 1000 passengers arrive in Charles de Gaulle airport from China, daily.
https://www.francetvinfo.fr/sante/maladie/coronavirus/coronavirus-covid-19-qu-en-est-il-des-liaisons-aeriennes-entre-la-france-la-chine-et-l-italie_3841127.html

spurious · 25-02-2020 8:26pm

The numbers are miniscule.
I will be off to Spain end of next month. Looking forward to it.

ktsul · 25-02-2020 8:31pm

It is worrying. Look how fast it's spreading from Italy/Tenerife. I'm travelling to USA in May and it's on my mind what could happen. I have a compromised immune system ....

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 8:32pm

junebabies wrote: »

I have 2 kids also so not just myself to worry about. One of the kids as additional health issues tho she is very well at the moment..

There's no way I would bring any kid or adult for that matter with health issues into crowded or enclosed spaces such as aircraft cabins or airports full of people from all over the world.

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 8:34pm

ktsul wrote: »

I have a compromised immune system ....

I'd check with your doctor, but again I would not travel with a compromised immune system until the virus cases are contained or gone completely.

MadYaker · 25-02-2020 8:35pm

I wouldn't go to the affected area of italy but thats about it as things currently stand. The situation is very serious and may get more serious but there's a lot of scare mongering around thanks to social media and a lot of people who are simply too dumb to sort the good info from the nonsense.

km79 · 25-02-2020 8:35pm

ktsul wrote: »

It is worrying. Look how fast it's spreading from Italy/Tenerife. I'm travelling to USA in May and it's on my mind what could happen. I have a compromised immune system ....

That’s prob too risky imo

satguy · 25-02-2020 8:37pm

Spain and the canary islands, is the worst place that can catch it,, from there the whole of of Europe might catch it, because of so much travel.

tayto lover · 25-02-2020 8:38pm

Is there a vaccination against this virus?
If there is we should be getting it before it gets here because it surely will.

Sleeper12 · 25-02-2020 8:39pm

We're heading to Peru in a month. No cases so far in South America but a month is a long time for this virus. We'd have to travel to the UK first anyway. Holiday has been paid for and insurance won't pay out unless government advises against. I'd imagine we'll be leaving the decision until the last minute

Darwin · 25-02-2020 8:39pm

Situation is very volatile at the moment. I'm heading to Nice very soon, beginning to think twice about it now as the affected areas in Italy are not that far away. It's a case of check the local news every day and make a decision day before travelling.

MadYaker · 25-02-2020 8:46pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

We're heading to Peru in a month. No cases so far in South America but a month is a long time for this virus. We'd have to travel to the UK first anyway. Holiday has been paid for and insurance won't pay out unless government advises against. I'd imagine we'll be leaving the decision until the last minute

It hasn't spread to south america (or much of southern hemisphere) because its summer there and viruses prefer winter like conditions, people have weakened immune systems in winter etc. So you should be ok but you'll just have to wait and see.

As regards people with other trips in 5 - 6 weeks its too early to make a call one way or the other. This virus will (hopefully) be mostly gone from europe by May / June as summer weather kicks in.

There's no vaccine yet, won't be until autumn at least.

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 8:49pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Is there a vaccination against this virus?
If there is we should be getting it before it gets here because it surely will.

No, no vaccine, closest to one i've heard of is at least 5 or 6 weeks before we know if there's an effective medicine released...

Vivienne23 · 25-02-2020 8:53pm

Book a holiday every year around this time , but this year I am holding off booking until things are a bit clearer even pondering the notion of a staycation !

If I had a holiday booked and had a cancellation option I would cancel personally , I’m perfectly healthy but I wouldn’t like to bring a virus into the home or to any relatives no matter how minuscule the risk , I do think another week or 2 might make things a bit clearer of where we are

25-02-2020 8:53pm

I am meant to go to Lanzarote for Paddys week. Dont know what to do.

tayto lover · 25-02-2020 8:54pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

No, no vaccine, closest to one i've heard of is at least 5 or 6 weeks before we know if there's an effective medicine released...

Then we should be trying to prevent people leaving and entering the country imo.

_Brian · 25-02-2020 8:59pm

Have tickets booked to Milan in July.
If it were right now I wouldn’t go.

As it stands We will keep an open mind and take the hit if we have to, travel insurance might cover it but I’m not holding out much hope for that.

You’d imagine a non essential travel ban would be a good idea but too many vested interests prevents it happening. If the Irish government went ahead you would be sure Michael OLeary would sue the country for loss of income and given our courts at present I’d think he would win.

theguzman · 25-02-2020 9:05pm

I'm due to fly to South America over the coming weekend but I connect in the US. My biggest fear would be contracting it here in Dublin or in JFK airport. I have no doubt it is here in Ireland already but its not yet detected, I survived Avian and Swine flu but am susceptible to pneumonia and lung problems. (asthmatic). Also if the virus breaks out here in Ireland whilst I am abroad there is no way I would return until it was safe to do so. My biggest concern at the moment is getting stranded in Argentina or Paraguay.

Ludo · 25-02-2020 9:10pm

Trip to Malaga booked for May with extended family including 85 year old mother. Not that bothered about catching anything but slightly concerned about being caught up in fast moving travel restrictions and being stuck there.

Then we have 10 days in Veneto and Lombardy (Lake Garda and Bergamo) in August. As of now that is a write off. Long way away though so may well change.
By then, surely it will either be gone or it will be everywhere, so it wont matter where you are or go.

Work trip to Germany next month already cancelled and wifes work trip to Turin also next month cancelled as well.

junebabies · 25-02-2020 9:17pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

There's no way I would bring any kid or adult for that matter with health issues into crowded or enclosed spaces such as aircraft cabins or airports full of people from all over the world.

Ya that's definitely a big concern.

km79 · 25-02-2020 9:20pm

6541 wrote: »

I am meant to go to Lanzarote for Paddys week. Dont know what to do.

Not in lanzarote
Yet .........

We are going there mid June so hope that remains the case

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 9:20pm

I think the general advice is that if you're elderly or have weakened immune system, and or underlying health and respiratory issues then you're at a greater risk of suffering a more severe reaction to the virus... So it would be well advised to stay away from areas like large parts of Asia, and affected areas in lockdown in Italy.

Everyone reacts differently to the virus, most healthy people of middle and younger ages will have mild reactions similar to a bad case of the flu, and there's very little evidence of any children in places like Wuhan China having contracted the virus...

Viruses tend to taper off in the summer months so new infections should be almost none, however it may restart again next winter...

If you have health issues and display symptoms of the corona virus while travelling then it would most likely lead to being quarantined...

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 9:22pm

km79 wrote: »

Not in lanzarote
Yet .........

We are going there mid June so hope that remains the case

One case in Tenerife wouldn't be enough reason for me to cancel a holiday which is still 3+ months away... Hopefully no further cases in that time..

km79 · 25-02-2020 9:52pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

One case in Lanzarote wouldn't be enough reason for me to cancel a holiday which is still 3+ months away... Hopefully no further cases in that time..

Yeah I’m not worried yet

I am also flying to London in a few weeks
Hadn’t given it a second thought until I seen the post about a cabin full of strangers
And now I’m wondering .......

Caranica · 25-02-2020 9:58pm

Due to go to the affected area of Italy in 3 weeks. No fears other than the event I'm going for potentially being cancelled. 7 deaths in Italy, a country of 60 million? I'm not panicking

daheff · 25-02-2020 9:59pm

Tenzor07 wrote: »

One case in Lanzarote wouldn't be enough reason for me to cancel a holiday which is still 3+ months away... Hopefully no further cases in that time..

One case is in Tenerife not Lanzarote

Trampas · 25-02-2020 10:04pm

The chances are tiny at the moment.

So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates in USA at the moment. People still travel to America. Why doesn’t this make the news. Unless you’re in that elderly or poor immune system then just be sensible and you should be ok

Sleeper12 · 25-02-2020 10:09pm

Caranica wrote:

Due to go to the affected area of Italy in 3 weeks. No fears other than the event I'm going for potentially being cancelled. 7 deaths in Italy, a country of 60 million? I'm not panicking

11 deaths now I'm sorry to say.

Caranica · 25-02-2020 10:13pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

11 deaths now I'm sorry to say.

0.00001833333% of the population of Italy. Nope, still not scared.

Not forgetting that the first two deaths were elderly Chinese tourists.

Sleeper12 · 25-02-2020 10:20pm

What percentage of the effected area though? Not much point quoting statistics for unaffected areas imo

Edit:it is worth pointing out that the last 4 that died were in their 80s

Tauriel · 25-02-2020 10:24pm

I'm going to Croatia in April and have seen that they have announced their first case of the virus. I will keep an eye on it to see if it gets worse and make a call then on whether or not to go.

Padkir · 25-02-2020 10:27pm

We are meant to be going to Lake Garda, Verona and Treviso Easter weekend - not looking good at the minute.

We are both young and healthy so don't really have major concerns as such for ourselves, and wouldn't even care about being stranded for a while if it came to it. The main risk that would concern me is potentially bringing something hone and infecting relatives or friends who aren't as healthy.

Will have to play it by ear over the next month...

Caranica · 25-02-2020 10:34pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

What percentage of the effected area though? Not much point quoting statistics for unaffected areas imo

Edit:it is worth pointing out that the last 4 that died were in their 80s

Still a teeny tiny proportion. I was looking at a breakdown of deaths in South Korea last night and the vast vast majority were elderly and/or had serious underlying health conditions. The type of people that can die from the flu. I don't tick either box so would not be afraid to travel.

uck51js9zml2yt · 25-02-2020 10:48pm

6541 wrote: »

I am meant to go to Lanzarote for Paddys week. Dont know what to do.

Supposed to be going to gran canaria. Not paid for the hotel yet ( have till this weekend to cancel with no cost).

Will only be down my flights.

Seriously considering not going.

gmisk · 25-02-2020 10:52pm

Caranica wrote: »

Due to go to the affected area of Italy in 3 weeks. No fears other than the event I'm going for potentially being cancelled. 7 deaths in Italy, a country of 60 million? I'm not panicking

I think this is now 11, with 19 in critical condition. The numbers are growing pretty quickly

I am due to visit lake Garda in mid April but going to play it by ear, already contacted hotel and they happy to move booking to later in year.

gmisk · 25-02-2020 10:53pm

Padkir wrote: »

We are meant to be going to Lake Garda, Verona and Treviso Easter weekend - not looking good at the minute.

We are both young and healthy so don't really have major concerns as such for ourselves, and wouldn't even care about being stranded for a while if it came to it. The main risk that would concern me is potentially bringing something hone and infecting relatives or friends who aren't as healthy.

Will have to play it by ear over the next month...

In exactly the same boat also going to lake Garda in April!

Tenzor07 · 25-02-2020 10:55pm

Eduardo CoolS Self-starter wrote: »

Supposed to be going to gran canaria. Not paid for the hotel yet ( have till this weekend to cancel with no cost).
Will only be down my flights.
Seriously considering not going.

Some friends going this Thursday to GC..... The Calima winds would concern me more...

listermint · 25-02-2020 10:56pm

Trampas wrote: »

The chances are tiny at the moment.

So far, 16,000 people have died and 280,000 people have been hospitalized during the 2019-2020 flu season, according to preliminary estimates in USA at the moment. People still travel to America. Why doesn’t this make the news. Unless you’re in that elderly or poor immune system then just be sensible and you should be ok

I'm assuming it doesn't make the news because flu has a 0.1% mortality rate versus 2-3% for covid and it's very much more contagious.

So there's.... Em that...

headtheball14 · 25-02-2020 10:59pm

junebabies wrote: »

We have until next week to make free amendments on our hotel (which was expensive). I doubt our insurance will cover flight but they weren't overly expensive anyway so not bothered about.

I'm in Europe at the moment . Didn't cross my mind to cancel. However things are definitely quieter out and about. Lots of places closed where I am. Although this time of year is quiet anyway.
I think in your position I would cancel the hotel. Coming closer to the date if you want to go I don't think you will have any problem get to a good deal on somewhere to stay. Worst case you lose the flights

enricoh · 25-02-2020 11:03pm

Caranica wrote: »

0.00001833333% of the population of Italy. Nope, still not scared.

Not forgetting that the first two deaths were elderly Chinese tourists.

I wouldn't be scared personally but have to factor in the kids getting it , spreading to my elderly folks when getting home etc etc.
I wouldn't fly to Italy at the mo as a result.

seamusk84 · 25-02-2020 11:05pm

I am due to fly to Lanzarote this Saturday...Genuinely no idea what to do now

gmisk · 25-02-2020 11:08pm

seamusk84 wrote: »

I am due to fly to Lanzarote this Saturday...Genuinely no idea what to do now

My folks are in Lanzarote they have noticed things a bit quiet out and about. To be honest they seem more concerned about the calima winds etc.

Trampas · 25-02-2020 11:18pm

listermint wrote: »

I'm assuming it doesn't make the news because flu has a 0.1% mortality rate versus 2-3% for covid and it's very much more contagious.

So there's.... Em that...

What 2-3% is that based on?

2,663 deaths in China out of 1.4 billion.

If that was 1.4 million it would be about 2-3% but not billion

citysights · 25-02-2020 11:19pm

Nothing booked for the summer yet. Am holding off for now. Don’t know what advice to give you op other than what others have said etc. For me I’d be worried about being in a place that has a case and ends up being in lock down. You have children to consider also.

gmisk · 25-02-2020 11:26pm

Trampas wrote: »

What 2-3% is that based on?

2,663 deaths in China out of 1.4 billion.

If that was 1.4 million it would be about 2-3% but not billion

It's based on the number of people that have caught it and died....not the total population of the country.

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