Aer Lingus Fleet/Routes Discussion

Locker10a · 28-03-2020 3:59pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

Sure, good for them. However I think for all the engineers in Ireland that have been laid off in the last week, they’d be delighted to be in a position of still having a job and be on these flights. I’d extend it to say I’d be shocked if any staff member refused to operate these flights due to the lack of financial reward considering the circumstances the airline and more importantly the Country finds itself in.

They’d have the data now to show that at best they will get high single digits showing up. The frequency should be cut to the absolute minimum for essential travel/cargo requirements. I was just surprised at the high frequency some former ATR routes are currently being maintained at. Don’t get me wrong though, this is an extremely minor issue in the grand scheme of things.

It is being cut to an absolute minimum, gradually but surely, I know of people stranded abroad, took them days to get home, they eventually got to Lisbon and on to an Aer Lingus flight back to Dublin this morning, they were among only 7 passengers, but those 7 passengers were truly appreciative the flight operated and got them home.

joeysoap · 28-03-2020 4:31pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

Well they had passengers that booked tickets on both. Think in the region of 50 each way but no one showed up. The no show rate must be well over 90% at the moment.

You have access to the loads? You working for AL?

IngazZagni · 28-03-2020 5:10pm

joeysoap wrote: »

You have access to the loads? You working for AL?

Nope but I work in the industry. All I'll say is be careful what you post on WhatsApp groups folks. It's not secure.

Captain_Crash · 28-03-2020 9:26pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

I’d be shocked if any staff member refused to operate these flights due to the lack of financial reward considering the circumstances the airline and more importantly the Country finds itself in.

For obvious reasons I won’t give any detail here as to how or who I know, (mods feel free to PM and I’ll give more detail if you like) but there hasn’t been a very good take up on these flights.

One person I spoke to today was asked to fly out and politely said no thanks, it’s a 30hr shift and he says isn’t worth it. Now whether that’s to do with money or not I don’t know but EI are struggling to get the numbers to operate the flights

goingnowhere · 28-03-2020 9:28pm

Cleared to land 36L at PEK

Coyote · 28-03-2020 9:32pm

have to say a thank you to the guys and girls for making this happen
a million thanks for them from everyone in Ireland

Regards

Coyote

Nibs05 · 28-03-2020 9:51pm

Are the crew really not allowed off the aircraft at all, I thought they would need to do the walk around, oil top up, oversee the loading etc

SAM SO NITE · 28-03-2020 10:03pm

kona wrote: »

Nobody is doing a 30 hour shift for free.

Thats great to hear kona. I hope they get double time and the rest!

I was just hoping that these heroes were not being taken advantage of.

It would be a shame to do all those modules, 5 years experience, type ratings, approval boards, learn the MOE, continuation training, EWIS,HF,CDCCL, night shifts , bank holidays etc to actually get to use your skills to help the state in its time of greatest need and to be taken the piss out of.

kona · 28-03-2020 10:05pm

SAM SO NITE wrote: »

Thats great to hear kona. I hope they get double time and the rest!

I was just hoping that these heroes were not being taken advantage of.

It would be a shame to do all those modules, 5 years experience, type ratings, approval boards, learn the MOE, continuation training, EWIS,HF,CDCCL, night shifts , bank holidays etc to actually get to use your skills to help the state in its time of greatest need and to be taken the piss out of.

Sure look at least they get to keep the capes this time.

L1011 · 28-03-2020 10:46pm

Drop the wages/status/etc discussion here

SAM SO NITE · 28-03-2020 10:49pm

California Dreamer wrote: »

Someone with a serious axe to grind!

But if you are an employee of EI why are you coming to an anonymous forum to peddle your agenda?

You will not get any answers here.

who is an employee?

28-03-2020 11:22pm

Well at least we know the point the wheel came off this particular wagon

Tenger · 28-03-2020 11:41pm

This is a chat forum, not Facebook.
If you want details on the cost to the state, monetary reward to the staff, or profit margin for Aer Lingus you can contact Aer Lingus or Dept of Foreign Affairs. If you have an axe to grind do it with them, not on this forum.
Boards.ie will not allow continued trolling for info on the payments towards the employees of a private company providing a service to the country at the request of the Govt.

Your “pestering” levels of posting today implies more than a casual interest. At least 3 times you asked about engineers not being paid, when it was yourself who introduced the topic.
As posted above, no-one is assuming the staff are working for free, rather that they are ‘volunteering’ to be rostered these particular flights.

goingnowhere · 28-03-2020 11:51pm

Thats not an Aer Lingus aircraft,

SAM SO NITE · 28-03-2020 11:54pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

Pic in circulation of a loaded up AL aircraft in Beijing.

that's lufthansa chief.

mickdw · 28-03-2020 11:55pm

They would be fast workers if it was Aerlingus as not too long on the ground in China.

easypazz · 29-03-2020 12:01am

goingnowhere wrote: »

Thats not an Aer Lingus aircraft,

Was thinking the same until I saw buster browne down the back.

SAM SO NITE · 29-03-2020 12:30am

easypazz wrote: »

Was thinking the same until I saw buster browne down the back.

I actually did a double take. Thought the lad in the back left of photo in black was one of the lads who was dipping the tanks for kerosene and I thought to myself , how did he get back in .

The crane on the head rests was the lufty giveaway.

L1011 · 29-03-2020 12:34am

SAM SO NITE - stop posting in this thread. You have repeatedly ignored instructions to stop discussing work practices. You will be banned immediately if you post again

mickdw · 29-03-2020 12:51am

Captain_Crash wrote: »

For obvious reasons I won’t give any detail here as to how or who I know, (mods feel free to PM and I’ll give more detail if you like) but there hasn’t been a very good take up on these flights.

One person I spoke to today was asked to fly out and politely said no thanks, it’s a 30hr shift and he says isn’t worth it. Now whether that’s to do with money or not I don’t know but EI are struggling to get the numbers to operate the flights

Any Aerlingus pilot who would refuse such a mission without very good reason is a disgrace in my opinion.
Its a critical task bringing supplies to front line workers. They should be lining up to do it.

sailing · 29-03-2020 12:56am

mickdw wrote: »

Any Aerlingus pilot who would refuse such a mission without very good reason is a disgrace in my opinion.
Its a critical task bringing supplies to front line workers. They should be lining up to do it.

There has been no Aer Lingus pilot that has refused a duty. Don’t believe all you read on anonymous forums.

d51984 · 29-03-2020 1:04am

Hopefully someone remembered to bring a camera, looking forward to some photos, be a great bit of PR for EI.

easypazz · 29-03-2020 1:07am

sailing wrote: »

There has been no Aer Lingus pilot that has refused a duty. Don’t believe all you read on anonymous forums.

Anybody worth their salt will pitch in at times like this.

mickdw · 29-03-2020 3:54am

sailing wrote: »

There has been no Aer Lingus pilot that has refused a duty. Don’t believe all you read on anonymous forums.

Glad to hear it. As it should be.

N64 · 29-03-2020 6:17am

Return flight on it's way now. Due in at 3:13pm.

https://www.flightradar24.com/EIN9019/244a4bcd

PinOnTheRight · 29-03-2020 8:03am

EIN9018 EI-EIM due out 1020z to PEK.
EIN9020 EI-FNG due out 1320z to PEK.

EIN9019 EI-EAV due back 1410z

Aviation2k19 · 29-03-2020 11:10am

There seems to be 5 positioning flights from DUB-SNN/ORK tomorrow. Are these A320’s positioning for storage?

sparrowcar · 29-03-2020 11:15am

Aviation2k19 wrote: »

There seems to be 5 positioning flights from DUB-SNN/ORK tomorrow. Are these A320’s positioning for storage?

Yes

JCX BXC · 29-03-2020 1:27pm

Just an FYI, for those of you who keep seeing apparent photos of the 'Aer Lingus cabin' filled with PPE, majority of them are fake, old and reused from older non Aer Lingus flights.

The Dublin airport Facebook page is breeding them. Not surprising given the extremely poor quality of the content on that page as of late.

EchoIndia · 29-03-2020 1:46pm

Positions at 1245 UTC

donkey balls · 29-03-2020 1:46pm

I take it they will use the catering trucks/cleaning trucks to offload the freight in the cabin saving on double handling.

easypazz · 29-03-2020 2:19pm

Have Aer Lingus released any pictures yet?

d51984 · 29-03-2020 2:24pm

Not yet, they will probably make a little video like they do on the inaugural flights.

easypazz · 29-03-2020 2:27pm

d51984 wrote: »

Not yet, they will probably make a little video like they do on the inaugural flights.

The crew must be under orders not to share anything.

Tenger · 29-03-2020 2:34pm

I've seen a lot of those pics.
A couple of websites (newstalk, Joe.ie) seem to have combined the actual pic of the flight crew with stock images of previous 'cargo in the cabin' flights.
You can see grey or blue seats in those pics.
I'm sure EI will publish pics soon enough.

But this difference isn't really noticeable to most ppl. And the scene is going to be virtually identical for the EI loading.
So I don't see the real harm in it.

Certainly getting a lot of positive PR for EI and highlighting how Irish companies/people are rallying behind our health workers.

sherology · 29-03-2020 3:18pm

easypazz wrote: »

Have Aer Lingus released any pictures yet?

I would assume there will be a little story on the news later... They have a story about it on their [rte] website (on the way out, on the way back, and no doubt 'arrived and being distributed').

Any good news in a storm type of thing.

Good on 'em

trellheim · 29-03-2020 3:34pm

how many of these flights are on the cards at the moment ?

goingnowhere · 29-03-2020 3:44pm

2 aircraft en route today, 7 more at least this week

mikel97 · 29-03-2020 3:48pm

Hope not all a waste of time and tax payers money but in meantime medals all round

https://www.businessinsider.com/coroanvirus-holland-recalls-over-half-a-million-masks-imported-from-china-2020-3?op=1&r=US&IR=T

Sexual Chocolate · 29-03-2020 4:52pm

If we were to pretend that Dublin to Bejing was an actual passenger route, would a fully loaded A330-300 be capable of doing that route ? Or to even some where like Hong Kong or Singapore ?

Tenger · 29-03-2020 5:13pm

Sexual Chocolate wrote: »

If we were to pretend that Dublin to Bejing was an actual passenger route, would a fully loaded A330-300 be capable of doing that route ? Or to even some where like Hong Kong or Singapore ?

Yes. It was under 9 hours out. DUB-LAX is up to 11 hours.

I remember seeing a range map from about 12 years ago. Showed range of A333, 332 and 350.
Part of the EI "we've ordered A350s" pitch.
The HGW A333s have the range to get yo HK and Singapore.

Tenger · 29-03-2020 7:48pm

mikel97 wrote: »

NO. Certainly not fully loaded and returning with standard cruise winds forget it. 330-300 isn't a long range aircraft over 8 hours need to carefully plan the route including the diversion to acceptable airports.

Except that EI themselves operate flights over 8 hours on an A330 up to 4 times a day (Pre Covid-19)

29-03-2020 8:11pm

Tenger wrote: »

Except that EI themselves operate flights over 8 hours on an A330 up to 4 times a day (Pre Covid-19)

One route they fly in particular is over 10 hours.

Leaving Dublin going east with the winds behind you you would need less fuel for the trip. Leaving China and going in to the prevailing winds you will have a longer runway to carry more fuel. There are plenty of plus 9 hour flights in a 330 from China to Europe DAILY.

EchoIndia · 29-03-2020 8:14pm

Deleted User wrote: »

One route they fly in particular is over 10 hours.

Leaving Dublin going east with the winds behind you you would need less fuel for the trip. Leaving China and going in to the prevailing winds you will have a longer runway to carry more fuel. There are plenty of plus 9 hour flights in a 330 from China to Europe DAILY.

Hainan began their DUB services last year with A333s so not a new phenomenon.

29-03-2020 10:08pm

mikel97 wrote: »

Im aware of that as used handle them. Loads were on average 75-100.
The original question was a fully loaded as in Full Paxs and Max ZFW scenario then NO. The -200 is ideal for longer range as in over 8 hours. But just my experience thats all. Im no expert

Again, if EI can depart Dublin for SFO and LAX with a sufficient load off a short 28 for a 10+ hour flight and make it profitable for all the years they have been flying it then that is proof enough that a Chinese route with a longer runway for the longer time length segment is more than doable.

Luke-m · 29-03-2020 10:29pm

Tenger wrote: »

Yes. It was under 9 hours out. DUB-LAX is up to 11 hours.

I remember seeing a range map from about 12 years ago. Showed range of A333, 332 and 350.
Part of the EI "we've ordered A350s" pitch.
The HGW A333s have the range to get yo HK and Singapore.

You sure about that? I remember reading before on pprune that the a330-300 and 200 series would have big problems doing Dublin-Singapore and return with fully ladened passengers and fuel. A350 would have no such problems. Might have been a while back so not sure about HGW version.

Irish Steve · 29-03-2020 10:40pm

OK Guys, the professionals at Aer Lingus have done their sums, and for the planned loads, and the distances, they are happy that the 330-300's are able to operate within the relevant rules.

On that basis, lets NOT have a piss up the wall contest over a critical operation.

Thanks

sailing · 29-03-2020 11:24pm

To put the performance issue to bed, you can get about 230 tonnes takeoff weight on a normal day (no tailwind) off 10/28 in Dublin. The majority of the aircraft doing these have a Max take off weight if required of 242 tonnes. This weight would never be required for operations. With a full load of passengers if it were a commercial flight you could easily make China or similar Far East destinations on these newer 300’s. Range is not an issue. As someone alluded to above, Beijing is approx the same distance as LA on a great circle routing. These flights are taking off well well below their max take off weight on both the outbound and inbound flights. The cargo for this work would be considered bulky, not heavy.

PinOnTheRight · 30-03-2020 7:35am

Some of toda’s movements with flight times for comparison.

EIN9016 EI-EAV due off 0720 to PEK - 9hrs 39
EIN9018 EI-DUZ due off 1020 to PEK - 9hrs 46

Returning today
EIN9019 EI-EIM due DUB 1305 - 10hrs 56
EIN9021 EI-FNG due dub 1625 - 11hrs 03

Also looks like 3 A320s being ferried to Shannon and 4 to Cork.

California Dreamer · 30-03-2020 7:42am

Are they spending 5 hours on the ground?

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