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Heavyweight Boxing

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  • #4952
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    He’s asking about the other Tyson..

    Small little lad.....


  • #4953
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    walshb wrote: »
    He’s asking about the other Tyson..

    Small little lad.....

    This is getting better and better! Tell you what lads, go back about 10 pages and there’s a whole raft of discussion on MIKE Tyson. Read that all and if there are any new points to make then let’s go.


  • #4954
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    walshb wrote: »

    Small little lad.....

    No need for the insults :P


  • #4955
    Bobby Baccala
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭Bobby Baccala


    Probably done to death but who’s got the best jab we’ve seen at Heavyweight?

    Bowe, Holmes and Vitali would be my top 3 probably in that order. Ali had the fastest Jab I’ve seen at heavyweight and probably ever will see but the other men could sit lads on their arse with a jab. Bowes jab was like getting hit with a straight right.


  • #4956
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,039 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Bobby Baccala wrote: »
    Probably done to death but who’s got the best jab we’ve seen at Heavyweight?

    Bowe, Holmes and Vitali would be my top 3 probably in that order. Ali had the fastest Jab I’ve seen at heavyweight and probably ever will see but the other men could sit lads on their arse with a jab. Bowes jab was like getting hit with a straight right.

    Holmes for me by a distance. Then a toss up between Vitali, Ali and Liston. Tyson and Lewis the best of the 90s guys.


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  • #4957
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Bowe’s the best combination of clean, fast, hard, effortless and thorough.


  • #4958
    Bobby Baccala
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,342 ✭✭✭Bobby Baccala


    The Nal wrote: »
    Holmes for me by a distance. Then a toss up between Vitali, Ali and Liston. Tyson and Lewis the best of the 90s guys.

    I’d say Holmes really perfected his jab in sparring against Ali. He might have been a lot younger than him but Ali still had faster hands at the time, would loved to have sat in on some of those sessions.


  • #4959
    Dunston
    Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Dunston


    With the Fury/Farmer story - did Fury reach out to the farmer in the first place and base his defence at the time on eating the wild boar? Just watched an interview with Frank Warren and he say's Fury doesn't know the farmer and has never met him. Not getting that part of the story?

    From what I understand, UKAD never considered the boar story as a valid explanation anyway.


  • #4960
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Dunston wrote: »

    From what I understand, UKAD never considered the boar story as a valid explanation anyway.

    This is the major point. Fury was found Guilty of doping, served a 2 year ban and is now free to fight.

    This is a non-story due to lack of sport happening.


  • #4961
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Lewis has to be up there. Wlad got serious use out of the jab and hold combo


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  • #4962
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Lewis has to be up there. Wlad got serious use out of the jab and hold combo

    Lewis didn't have a great jab to start but really perfected it under Steward.

    This video still does the rounds at times but I always find it fascinating

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7q4obCFa8E


  • #4963
    Dunston
    Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Dunston


    normanoffside wrote: »
    This is the major point. Fury was found Guilty of doping, served a 2 year ban and is now free to fight.

    This is a non-story due to lack of sport happening.

    I get that, but how can Warren be claiming that Fury doesn't know who the farmer is? Surely he still has to stick by the boar story even if nobody believes it. Was waiting for an IFLtv interview to clear it up but i'm none the wiser.


  • #4964
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Dunston wrote: »
    I get that, but how can Warren be claiming that Fury doesn't know who the farmer is? Surely he still has to stick by the boar story even if nobody believes it. Was waiting for an IFLtv interview to clear it up but i'm none the wiser.

    Not sure what your point is.
    Let's say one of you are up for murder and one of your lawyers brings up a witness with an alibi but the judge/jury disregards that evidence and finds you guilty anyway.
    You can't be double punished once you have served your sentence based on media speculation that your defence was false. The Judge/Jury has already decided your defence was false anyway.

    Since it was a closed case we have no idea what evidence or witnesses were presented in Fury's defence. It really doesn't matter.

    Fury is a convicted doper and has served his time. It's no different to saying that Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist who also served his time.


  • #4965
    Dunston
    Registered Users Posts: 322 ✭✭Dunston


    normanoffside wrote: »
    Not sure what your point is.
    Let's say one of you are up for murder and one of your lawyers brings up a witness with an alibi but the judge/jury disregards that evidence and finds you guilty anyway.
    You can't be double punished once you have served your sentence based on media speculation that your defence was false. The Judge/Jury has already decided your defence was false anyway.

    Since it was a closed case we have no idea what evidence or witnesses were presented in Fury's defence. It really doesn't matter.

    Fury is a convicted doper and has served his time. It's no different to saying that Mike Tyson was a convicted rapist who also served his time.

    I'm not talking about the legal ramifications, I know the time has been served and a line can be drawn under that.

    I was just curious what the Fury camp's responses would be to the inevitable interviews after this latest claim. I was expecting them to say "we stick by our original story, he supplied us with meat". I wasn't expecting "we don't know him and have never met him, he's a liar".


  • #4966
    normanoffside
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,139 ✭✭✭✭normanoffside


    Dunston wrote: »
    I'm not talking about the legal ramifications, I know the time has been served and a line can be drawn under that.

    I was just curious what the Fury camp's responses would be to the inevitable interviews after this latest claim. I was expecting them to say "we stick by our original story, he supplied us with meat". I wasn't expecting "we don't know him and have never met him, he's a liar".

    How do you know it was his original story? The evidence was confidential.


  • #4967
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Dunston wrote: »
    With the Fury/Farmer story - did Fury reach out to the farmer in the first place and base his defence at the time on eating the wild boar? Just watched an interview with Frank Warren and he say's Fury doesn't know the farmer and has never met him. Not getting that part of the story?

    From what I understand, UKAD never considered the boar story as a valid explanation anyway.


    The farmer is saying they reached out to him at the time offering money if he said he put stuff in his pigs and they ate it unknowingly, but he said refused to go along with it,

    So Fury never said they got the boar from him , he was never mentioned to UKAD

    Next to impossible for him to prove his story without a text or a recorded call from Fury himself,

    Nothing will happened over it ,


  • #4968
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    I say relax lads we’re all on “slow day at the office” so this nothing story is taken out and the dust blown off.
    Here’s an idea. Why don’t we nominate a fight or fights, all watch on YouTube or whatever and then have a bit of discussion on it.


  • #4969
    Kilboor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,224 ✭✭✭Kilboor


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    I say relax lads we’re all on “slow day at the office” so this nothing story is taken out and the dust blown off.
    Here’s an idea. Why don’t we nominate a fight or fights, all watch on YouTube or whatever and then have a bit of discussion on it.

    https://youtu.be/9k4bjNgEOpY


  • #4970
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    I say relax lads we’re all on “slow day at the office” so this nothing story is taken out and the dust blown off.
    Here’s an idea. Why don’t we nominate a fight or fights, all watch on YouTube or whatever and then have a bit of discussion on it.

    Get on this thread:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062483&page=1


  • #4971
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    Anyone tell me who mike tysons best win is? Or beat 3 wins?


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  • #4972
    blade1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,480 ✭✭✭✭blade1


    US2 wrote: »
    Anyone tell me who mike tysons best win is? Or beat 3 wins?

    The Berbick one was where the whole world stood up and took notice.
    The manner it was done in and such a young age.
    If I remember correctly I think the fight was on Sky One. (No such thing as Sky sports back then. Although I think they showed a few fights on Sky Movies after that as it was a subscription channel).


  • #4973
    The Nal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,039 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    US2 wrote: »
    Anyone tell me who mike tysons best win is? Or beat 3 wins?

    Berbick, Spinks and then take your pick from any of the journeymen. He never beat anyone of note.


  • #4974
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Reading in the Times yesterday...

    Fury’s case to be reopened by UKAD...

    Lot more to it...


  • #4975
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,249 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    walshb wrote: »
    Reading in the Times yesterday...

    Fury’s case to be reopened by UKAD...

    Lot more to it...

    you must be in heaven :pac:

    f6f.gif


  • #4976
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Cyrus wrote: »
    you must be in heaven :pac:

    f6f.gif

    Your hero, the cheat!!


  • #4977
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,249 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    walshb wrote: »
    Your hero, the cheat!!

    i wouldnt read too much into what this farmer says, he didnt actually receive any money for a start off.


  • #4978
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Cyrus wrote: »
    i wouldnt read too much into what this farmer says, he didnt actually receive any money for a start off.

    I know...I trust none of them.

    All we know for sure is that Fury and Fury were found with elevated levels of a banned substance..

    Served his time....

    But, if shown that he was trying to tamper, which is the angle UKad are going at, them he could well face more banning...


  • #4979
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    US2 wrote: »
    Anyone tell me who mike tysons best win is? Or beat 3 wins?

    The Tony Tucker win was underrated. It was his best performance against the really big guys 6ft 6in 17st+ .


  • #4980
    stockshares
    Registered Users Posts: 2,758 ✭✭✭stockshares


    US2 wrote: »
    Anyone tell me who mike tysons best win is? Or beat 3 wins?

    The Tony Tucker win was underrated. It was his best performance against the really big and mobile technical guys who were 6ft 6in 16st+.

    In contrast he was poor against Douglas and Lewis and to a lesser extent Ruddock


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  • #4981
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Get on this thread:

    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2058062483&page=1

    Great thread


  • #4982
    nacho libre
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,994 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    walshb wrote: »
    I know...I trust none of them.

    All we know for sure is that Fury and Fury were found with elevated levels of a banned substance..

    Served his time....

    But, if shown that he was trying to tamper, which is the angle UKad are going at, them he could well face more banning...

    He seems to be very quiet of late.


  • #4983
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Great thread

    Super thread. Haven’t had much time to be on it but I will


  • #4984
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    nacho libre wrote: »
    He seems to be very quiet of late.

    Not really he had two videos up on Monday about the lockdown and training at home


  • #4985
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    [HTML][/HTML]This is a great listen. Emmanuel Steward going through the top heavyweights in history.



  • #4986
    Panthro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,825 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    Iron Mike seen back in training. Evander wants to fight again.
    Is this real life version of "Grudge Match"


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  • #4987
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    Panthro wrote: »
    Iron Mike seen back in training. Evander wants to fight again.
    Is this real life version of "Grudge Match"

    With all this going on I’d love to see that fight. Test them both, 6 cornermen and a ref. Get Mick to announce from distance and we can all watch it


  • #4988
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    With all this going on I’d love to see that fight. Test them both, 6 cornermen and a ref. Get Mick to announce from distance and we can all watch it

    The winner could fight big john fury


  • #4989
    squinn2912
    Registered Users Posts: 4,918 ✭✭✭squinn2912


    US2 wrote: »
    The winner could fight big john fury

    Balls to that. Maybe Lewis but I’d be more interested ina one off. Don’t want to see any of them take too many more hits


  • #4990
    US2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭US2


    squinn2912 wrote: »
    Balls to that. Maybe Lewis but I’d be more interested ina one off. Don’t want to see any of them take too many more hits

    I know lad, I was taking the piss. John Fury has a video floating about of him calling out mike.
    Honestly I wouldnt like to see mike fight again atall. 53. Took enough punishment on his brain already. I listen to his podcast alot, doesn't seem like he has any hunger for it atall. A pure exhibition is what itll be


  • #4991
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    US2 wrote: »
    I know lad, I was taking the piss. John Fury has a video floating about of him calling out mike.
    Honestly I wouldnt like to see mike fight again atall. 53. Took enough punishment on his brain already. I listen to his podcast alot, doesn't seem like he has any hunger for it atall. A pure exhibition is what itll be

    Have to agree Mike should stay away from the ring even exhibition fights,
    Great to see him looking in shape again but no need to actually fight he has given his all to boxing and the fans no more is needed ,

    I'm blaming Kuggan for the whole John Fury thing he gave Mick Theo the platform to challenge John and backed John into a corner he had to reply ,To do that to a man in his 50's is a disgrace,

    The big issue is it could turn horrible nasty as both men have dodgy pasts and it looks like its no got personal ,


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  • #4992
    Panthro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,825 ✭✭✭✭Panthro


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtT4x1oPMqA


    He's in great shape in fairness.


  • #4993
    yourdeadwright
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,821 ✭✭✭✭yourdeadwright


    Panthro wrote: »
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YtT4x1oPMqA


    He's in great shape in fairness.


    Good for him to be looking fit and healthy but in no way should that encourage him to get back into a boxing ring ,
    Mike should stick to hitting mits and shadow boxing for his own mental and psychical shape in the future ,


  • #4994
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Good for him to be looking fit and healthy but in no way should that encourage him to get back into a boxing ring ,
    Mike should stick to hitting mits and shadow boxing for his own mental and psychical shape in the future ,

    He's a pardoy act these past years.

    No idea why the nut gets so much air time...


  • #4995
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    walshb wrote: »
    He's a pardoy act these past years.

    No idea why the nut gets so much air time...

    Because he will go down as 1 of the top 5 heavyweights of all in time in any boxing experts book....
    his career was one of brutal savagery inside and outside the ring.....his demeanour still commands respect...and if he went in against a Shannon Briggs...or a David Price this evening he'd make mincemeat of them.


  • #4996
    Blaze420
    Closed Accounts Posts: 904 ✭✭✭Blaze420


    yourdeadwright wrote: »
    Good for him to be looking fit and healthy but in no way should that encourage him to get back into a boxing ring ,
    Mike should stick to hitting mits and shadow boxing for his own mental and psychical shape in the future ,

    Have you paid attention to his speed and power even now? He’d kill 99.9% of the opposition in that shape.


  • #4997
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Panda Killa wrote: »
    Because he will go down as 1 of the top 5 heavyweights of all in time in any boxing experts book....
    Don't think that's true at all.

    Ali, Louis, Foreman, Lennox and Holyfield for me definitely over him as the top 5. Frazier, Holmes and Tyson interchangeable after that for me but definitely a tier below.


  • #4998
    Panda Killa
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Don't think that's true at all.

    Ali, Louis, Foreman, Lennox and Holyfield for me definitely over him as the top 5. Frazier, Holmes and Tyson interchangeable after that for me but definitely a tier below.

    2 of the last 3 words of my quote are very important


  • #4999
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    Panda Killa wrote: »
    2 of the last 3 words of my quote are very important
    Name some of these boxing experts so. I'd actually wager that more people have Tyson outside the top 10 than inside the top 5. There's literally little to no argument for him being top 5.


  • #5000
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Blaze420 wrote: »
    Have you paid attention to his speed and power even now? He’d kill 99.9% of the opposition in that shape.

    Not sure how to respond here...

    Facepalm comes to mind..

    Only chance he would have is a puncher’s chance. But at 53, he is not even punching as hard. And I’d give the same punchers chance to any decent hitting heavyweight operating today..

    He’d be blowing out of his arse and falling over himself after 2 minutes of fighting!!!


  • #5001
    walshb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 56,707 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Morrison J wrote: »
    Name some of these boxing experts so. I'd actually wager that more people have Tyson outside the top 10 than inside the top 5. There's literally little to no argument for him being top 5.

    I personally have him top 5 all at peak in a one off tournament..


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