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Alex Jones content removed from Facebook, Youtube, Apple

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    #122
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    vetinari wrote: »
    He's already been elected once thanks to loons like this.
    Carrying him on your platform is an implicit endorsement of him.

    I love this.Democracy is fine with some people until the result doesnt go their way.

    Then everybody is a loon.

    Exactly the same thing happened with the brexit referendum.

    Anyone who lives in a country that elected Bertie Ahern as head of government three times has no right to slag the electoral results or voting pattern of another nations electorate.

    While on the subject of Alex Jones. Just because you dont like what someone says it doesnt mean you are entitled to stop them saying it.

    Unless they are saying something libelous or illegal but thats another issue.


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    #123
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,153 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    I love this.Democracy is fine with some people until the result doesnt go their way.

    Then everybody is a loon.

    Anyone who lives in a country that elected Bertie Ahern as head of government three times has no right to slag the electoral results or voting pattern of another nations electorate.

    While on the subject of Alex Jones. Just because you dont like what someone says it doesnt mean you are entitled to stop them saying it.

    Unless they are saying something libelous or illegal but thats another issue.


    Facebook, Youtube, Apple et al are entitled to stop him saying it. It is their platform. They make the rules.


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    #124
    L.Jenkins
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,240 Mod ✭✭✭✭L.Jenkins


    I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, but many are absolute dheads about it. Lauren Southern I see is one of these right wing antagonists who has her opinions and rightfully so, but she spends as much time if not more poking and prodding people for a reaction than anything else. Milo Yiannopoulos is just as bad if not worse, but he openly admits he gets a kick out of rubbing people up the wrong way.


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    #125
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    super_furry wrote: »
    That's a very different argument and unless the massive legal decision is made to indemnify them against the thousands of lawsuits that would follow from allowing the likes of Alex Jones, Isis, the KKK and all the other fringe lunatics that would take advantage of such an approach, it's never going to happen.

    I mean they already have been on those platforms. They weren’t removed for that.

    Free speech laws are pretty strong on the US.


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    #126
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Facebook, Youtube, Apple et al are entitled to stop him saying it. It is their platform. They make the rules.

    What are the rules?


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    #127
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Shouldn't have banned him. Using "hate" speech argument would just lead to lots of people being banned from social media platforms from all sections of society.


    Platforms are already banning people for hate speech.  Boards.ie will ban you for hate speech.  You seem to think that is a bad thing and i'm pretty sure i can understand why.
    Define hate speech. People use the term for anything they don't like these days.


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    #128
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    I love this.Democracy is fine with some people until the result doesnt go their way.

    Then everybody is a loon.

    Anyone who lives in a country that elected Bertie Ahern as head of government three times has no right to slag the electoral results or voting pattern of another nations electorate.

    While on the subject of Alex Jones. Just because you dont like what someone says it doesnt mean you are entitled to stop them saying it.

    Unless they are saying something libelous or illegal but thats another issue.


    Would you consider calling the Sandy Hook shooting a hoax libelous?


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    #129
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    L.Jenkins wrote: »
    I have no problem with people expressing their opinions, but many are absolute dheads about it. Lauren Southern I see is one of these right wing antagonists who has her opinions and rightfully so, but she spends as much time if not more poking and prodding people for a reaction than anything else. Milo Yiannopoulos is just as bad if not worse, but he openly admits he gets a kick out of rubbing people up the wrong way.

    Why give someone you may disagree with the satisfaction of a response?


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    #130
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,153 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    What are the rules?


    I'm sure you already know if you use those services. Feel free to go to some effort yourself to find out.


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    #131
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    dark crystal wrote: »
    Would you consider calling the Sandy Hook shooting a hoax libelous?

    That will be decided in court. Not by me.


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    #132
    Franz Von Peppercorn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,070 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn


    Also those platforms aren’t suable for speech themselves, the individual posters are.


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    #133
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,153 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Define hate speech. People use the term for anything they don't like these days.


    "All drag queens should be burned alive". Is that hate speech enough for you?


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    #134
    Taytoland
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Taytoland


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    Taytoland wrote: »
    Define hate speech. People use the term for anything they don't like these days.


    "All drag queens should be burned alive".  Is that hate speech enough for you?
    Can you link to this being said?


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    #135
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,153 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Taytoland wrote: »
    Can you link to this being said?


    Well i cant because it was taken down. But here is a link to a report on it


    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2018/08/06/facebook-deletes-infowars-alex-jones-hate-speech-lgbt-racist-hate-speech/?utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=FB_IA&utm_campaign=PN


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    #136
    WinnyThePoo
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,417 ✭✭✭WinnyThePoo


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    That will be decided in court. Not by me.

    So it will be up to a court to decide if sandy hook shootings where a hoax.:rolleyes:


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    #137
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    That will be decided in court. Not by me.


    As a human being, do you believe the parents who lost their children are lying?


    By the way, Alex Jones himself has backtracked and said he now doesn't believe it was a hoax.


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    #138
    L.Jenkins
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    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    Why give someone you may disagree with the satisfaction of a response?

    That's the thing. I don't personally, but far too many people do.


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    #139
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    sometimes hate speech is hate speech

    sometimes hate speech is wrong-think


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    #140
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    WinnyThePoo wrote: »
    So it will be up to a court to decide if sandy hook shootings where a hoax.:rolleyes:

    NO. What Alex Jones said about will be determined either defamatory ornot.

    He's being sued by two of the parents for defamation.

    This will be settled via the legal system.

    Whether it was a hoax or not won;t be

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/aug/01/alex-jones-conspiracy-theorist-sandy-hook-defamation-lawsuit


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    #141
    begbysback
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,910 ✭✭✭begbysback


    What happened to his Welsh accent?


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    #142
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    dark crystal wrote: »
    As a human being, do you believe the parents who lost their children are lying?


    By the way, Alex Jones himself has backtracked and said he now doesn't believe it was a hoax.

    I never suggested they were lying. Even if they were how would I know.

    If Alex Jones has backtracked then he's in trouble unless he can find evidence to back whatever statements he's alleged to have made.


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    #143
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,126 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    dark crystal wrote: »
    As a human being, do you believe the parents who lost their children are lying?

    Don't push. Anyone who's unwilling to state that sandy hook was not staged obviously has problems with facts. They're never going to admit it.

    Or they're just trolling and trying to score points.

    Either way, they're not someone you can debate with.


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    #144
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    L.Jenkins wrote: »
    That's the thing. I don't personally, but far too many people do.

    More fool them.

    It's as clear as day that Milo Yiannopoulos is a professional sh1t stirrer.

    People continue to fall for it.


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    #145
    Grayson
    Registered Users Posts: 16,126 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    I never suggested they were lying. Even if they were how would I know.

    If Alex Jones has backtracked then he's in trouble unless he can find evidence to back whatever statements he's alleged to have made.

    You refused to say if it was libellous. You said that's a matter for the courts.


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    #146
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,321 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    riffmongous wrote: »
    When will people realise this isn't a free speech issue? This is about a freaking intergalactic invasion into this space through people, it's what all the ancients said, its what they warned of. These people are demons and they are pouring black rivers of pestilent filth down upon our heads while Trump is charging into a goblin's nest and getting covered in goblin vomit.

    I just hope no-one tells him about Michael D. He'll think he's a hobbit and try to get the One Ring from him.


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    #147
    Dohnjoe
    Registered Users Posts: 17,777 ✭✭✭✭Dohnjoe


    Grayson wrote: »
    Don't push. Anyone who's unwilling to state that sandy hook was not staged obviously has problems with facts. They're never going to admit it.

    Or they're just trolling and trying to score points.

    Either way, they're not someone you can debate with.

    Correct, have had "debates" with them in the past, they aren't the type of people who have reasoned themselves into that viewpoint. Reason is not a part of the equation.


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    #148
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    Grayson wrote: »
    Don't push. Anyone who's unwilling to state that sandy hook was not staged obviously has problems with facts. They're never going to admit it.

    Or they're just trolling and trying to score points.

    Either way, they're not someone you can debate with.

    It was obvious he meant whether it was libel or not will be decided in court.


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    #149
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Grayson wrote: »
    Don't push. Anyone who's unwilling to state that sandy hook was not staged obviously has problems with facts. They're never going to admit it.

    Or they're just trolling and trying to score points.

    Either way, they're not someone you can debate with.

    I never suggested it was staged.

    The question raised was whether "calling" it a hoax was libelous.

    I stated that this will be decided in court as it is the subject of court proceedings.


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    #150
    dark crystal
    Registered Users Posts: 10,962 ✭✭✭✭dark crystal


    Hector Bellend wrote: »
    I never suggested they were lying. Even if they were how would I know.

    If Alex Jones has backtracked then he's in trouble unless he can find evidence to back whatever statements he's alleged to have made.


    Ok, insidious, delusional, divisive and hateful ramblings apart, then you must understand that platforms like Youtube, Facebook, iTunes etc. cannot continue to give a platform to someone who is being sued for defamation in two separate cases.


    If his followers think him a martyr for Free Speech, they can still support him by subscribing to his insidious, delusional, divisive and hateful webshow, which is freely available to anyone inclined to listen to him. They can then vote for Trump again, which they would have done anyway, regardless of his platforms.


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    #151
    Hector Bellend
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,667 ✭✭✭Hector Bellend


    Grayson wrote: »
    You refused to say if it was libellous. You said that's a matter for the courts.

    Yes. Very clearly. Isnt that the point of libel law?


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