Are you still using turf?

Ush1 · 12-07-2019 11:44am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Good question. I'm not sure that 56% is the figure when you include PRSI (a pretty huge tax pot), or commuters, but I reckon it's not far off. I'd have thought that does reflect the expenditure budget when you consider the cost of capital infrastructure in Dublin City and the metropolitan area.

Interesting thought, have a read of this article:

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/dublin-generates-56-of-irish-tax-but-cant-keep-a-cent-of-it/

cgcsb · 12-07-2019 11:56am

Graces7 wrote: »

Greater volume of consumption outweighs all these.

Honestly what are you blithering on about, greater volume? the volume per capita of environmental impact is much lower in urban situations.

cgcsb · 12-07-2019 12:00pm

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Yeah that's all well and good for Dublin but in the other cities people still have to use their cars to get from A to B because the public transport is totally inadequate.

So it's not just those terrible rural people using cars.

When there is a luas in every city then you might have a valid point to make.

Even using a car to commute in a city, the commute distances are much shorter than for those living in rural areas. Also regardless of the standard of public transport, there's still more people using it in rural areas and more importantly there's more people walking and cycling due to the short commute distance.

cgcsb · 12-07-2019 12:02pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Do people actually think we'd have a cleaner country if everyone lived in one off houses and there were no cities? How on earth could that be greener than cities with shared services taking up less space?

I'm guessing people who think this are early school leavers.

Thelonious Monk · 12-07-2019 12:04pm

cgcsb wrote: »

I'm guessing people who think this are early school leavers.

They seem to just live in their own world of alternative facts

cgcsb · 12-07-2019 12:07pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Im in a similar situation, but thankfully have a fireplace in the house here in Dublin and (luxury) one in the front bedroom. I usually burn smokeless briquettes but have smuggled up the occasional bag of turf -- can't tell you the joy of lying in bed reading a book with a turf fire on the go.

Someone I know down home converted a bedroom into a bathroom when renovating the house, and kept the fireplace. Imagine having a bath in front of a turf fire? That's the dream.

You realise this is illegal? I'd report you on the spot if I seen you at it. I don't want cancer from you enjoying a book.

gozunda · 12-07-2019 12:11pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Good question. I'm not sure that 56% is the figure when you include PRSI (a pretty huge tax pot), or commuters, but I reckon it's not far off. I'd have thought that does reflect the expenditure budget when you consider the cost of capital infrastructure in Dublin City and the metropolitan area.

The thing is the figure of 56% as far as I can see is not just personal taxation - it also comes from industry, services and transport - which because our government have kept loads of services centralised - means that much of that tax is paid by individuals living outside Dublin

So saying that Dublin generates 56% of all tax is both disingenous and inaccurate imo

Tax is vat, corporation tax, Capital gains etc etc not just PAYE/USC

Ush1 · 12-07-2019 12:34pm

Saoirse Tasty Coat wrote: »

But in Galway for example 50% of the workforce in the city commute from outside the city to work so if this isn’t taken into account then it’s massively flawed.

Anyway there is no doubt about it that Dublin get all the investment in this county and rural area need to start to get more of a cut asap, the one big benefit for rural Ireland recently is the national BB scheme and a shower clowns are trying to derail it. If the NBP was something benefiting Dublin city it would be long signed off and started.

Yes, because it would be literally billions cheaper.

12-07-2019 12:53pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Interesting thought, have a read of this article:

http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/dublin-generates-56-of-irish-tax-but-cant-keep-a-cent-of-it/

That really IS interesting. Thanks for that.

Of course, it should be remembered that those on higher incomes pay higher taxes, (and also have higher costs). This establishes its own equilibrium, where taxes in Dublin are higher in volume terms, because salaries are higher. The average Dubliner, apparently, earns 4k more than the average rural-dweller. Whereas people who live in 'the sticks' feel as though they are also paying high taxes as a proportion of their incomes. They are.

In conclusion, you were correct (and I was wrong) in your assertion that Dublin pays a disproportionately higher tax contribution.

But this is partly because Dublin provides greater economic activity. Myself and many others in this thread have come to Dublin from rural Ireland for employment.

Send us home! Give us jobs in the midlands and on the western seaboard, and let us burn turf there to our heart's content! For many of us, we don't really want to be in Dublin at all, but this is where the work is.

cgcsb wrote: »

You realise this is illegal? I'd report you on the spot if I seen you at it. I don't want cancer from you enjoying a book.

Yes I know it's very illegal. I am a criminal. I feel rather dangerous, but also warmed from the glare of my turf fire. I wholeheartedly recommend it.

Thelonious Monk · 12-07-2019 1:00pm

Companies don't want to set up in one off housing land and sought after foreifn employees don't want to live there. Dublin for all its flaws is the only thing we have resembling a proper city.

12-07-2019 1:11pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Companies don't want to set up in one off housing land and sought after foreifn employees don't want to live there. Dublin for all its flaws is the only thing we have resembling a proper city.

I don't really understand this, especially when it comes to IT.

Why does Facebook need to be located in Dublin, or Bank of America or Citi, or Google?

They sell their wares in the ether. They don't need to be close to the airports, ports or rail infrastructure.

I don't understand why Dublin is such an important location, as opposed to Waterford, Cork or Galway where employees would probably benefit from lower living costs (in effect, a pay rise) and probably healthier, happier lifestyles. Always flummoxed by that.

Cienciano · 12-07-2019 1:13pm

Dakota Dan wrote: »

They couldn’t charge a carbon tax on it so banned it instead.

Burning turf is illegal now? :eek:

Ush1 · 12-07-2019 1:14pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't really understand this, especially when it comes to IT.

Why does Facebook need to be located in Dublin, or Bank of America or Citi, or Google?

They sell their wares in the ether. They don't need to be close to the airports, ports or rail infrastructure.

I don't understand why Dublin is such an important location, as opposed to Waterford, Cork or Galway where employees would probably benefit from lower living costs (in effect, a pay rise) and probably healthier, happier lifestyles. Always flummoxed by that.

Because they need access to educated staff, housing, airports etc.... Typical features of a city.

Thelonious Monk · 12-07-2019 1:15pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't really understand this, especially when it comes to IT.

Why does Facebook need to be located in Dublin, or Bank of America or Citi, or Google?

They sell their wares in the ether. They don't need to be close to the airports, ports or rail infrastructure.

I don't understand why Dublin is such an important location, as opposed to Waterford, Cork or Galway where employees would probably benefit from lower living costs (in effect, a pay rise) and probably healthier, happier lifestyles. Always flummoxed by that.

Cork and Galway have some multinationals. Galway is a small town surrounded by ribbon development and totally dependent on cars and the traffic is terrible. Who would want to set up in that though?

12-07-2019 1:21pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Because they need access to educated staff, housing, airports etc.... Typical features of a city.

But as Thelonious Monk has just said, MNCs are already operating in cities like Galway, and in Cork.

If the company I work for decided to relocate to Limerick or Galway, I'd be delighted.

Decentralization of the public service failed for purely political reasons, but I can't understand why the private sector cannot grasp that many of its workforce would be healthier and wealthier living in a smaller city.

Thelonious Monk · 12-07-2019 1:24pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But as Thelonious Monk has just said, MNCs are already operating in cities like Galway, and in Cork.

If the company I work for decided to relocate to Limerick or Galway, I'd be delighted.

Decentralization of the public service failed for purely political reasons, but I can't understand why the private sector cannot grasp that many of its workforce would be healthier and wealthier living in a smaller city.

I still think most employees wouldn't want to move. Anyway these are billion dollar companies and they set up in dublin for reasons I'm sure teams of highly paid experts have come up with.

Ush1 · 12-07-2019 1:26pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

But as Thelonious Monk has just said, MNCs are already operating in cities like Galway, and in Cork.

If the company I work for decided to relocate to Limerick or Galway, I'd be delighted.

Decentralization of the public service failed for purely political reasons, but I can't understand why the private sector cannot grasp that many of its workforce would be healthier and wealthier living in a smaller city.

Of course smaller cities will have a decent amount of employers. You could work fro a different company in Limerick or Galway?

But Dublin obviously has more and so will have the majority of employers and new companies setting up there. Chicken and the egg.

There's plenty of health and wealthy people in Dublin. My parents are culchies who moved to London, then Dublin and never looked back. Love Dublin and really embraced their life here.

the_pen_turner · 12-07-2019 1:28pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

With Dublin bay a mess and 50% of septic tanks leaking I think we can agree we are all living in our own ****e in ireland

Tanks leaking is only a small part of the problem
A tank is a system and a finely balanced bacteria based purifying system.
Far too many people are turning into germafobes and pumping loads of domestos and bleach down the toilet. This is steralising the tank and stopping the bacteria cleaning the waste. It then goes out into the pecolation areas and soak away and clogs them or let's the swege into the land untreated

I saw a fairly new system clogged up and a total distast due to this. He got some guy out to test it and that's what he said was wrong.

Blazer · 12-07-2019 1:33pm

Steyr 556 wrote: »

Always loved the smell of a turf fire.

They need to make that a fragrance, along with freshly cut grass and petrol.

Even better Connemara whiskey.
Has that peat smell of it..bloody lovely too.

12-07-2019 1:42pm

Ush1 wrote: »

Of course smaller cities will have a decent amount of employers. You could work fro a different company in Limerick or Galway?

But Dublin obviously has more and so will have the majority of employers and new companies setting up there. Chicken and the egg.

There's plenty of health and wealthy people in Dublin. My parents are culchies who moved to London, then Dublin and never looked back. Love Dublin and really embraced their life here.

Dublin will always be the most popular site for MNCs relocating here.

What I'm surious about is the relative lack of interest in cities like Cork and Galway (of course, there is some, but it's really, really limited)

It's possible, as you say, to maintain a healthy lifestyle in Dublin. But in theory, if you relocated thousands of young workers to more rural locations (large towns like Athlone, Cork and Galway, which have plenty of metropolitan facilities), closer to land and sea amenities, you'd assume they'd take more of an interest in the great outdoors. Not sure how realistic this is, but I'd like to see more companies try it.

Cienciano · 12-07-2019 1:43pm

This is typical AF, a post about the smell of turf fires has turned into a rant about Dublin. Lads.

Ubbquittious · 12-07-2019 1:44pm

Cienciano wrote: »

This is typical AF, a post about the smell of turf fires has turned into a rant about Dublin. Lads.

I'm sure if they burnt more turf in Dublin there would be less ranting about them

Thelonious Monk · 12-07-2019 1:46pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Dublin will always be the most popular site for MNCs relocating here.

What I'm surious about is the relative lack of interest in cities like Cork and Galway (of course, there is some, but it's really, really limited)

It's possible, as you say, to maintain a healthy lifestyle in Dublin. But in theory, if you relocated thousands of young workers to more rural locations (large towns like Athlone, Cork and Galway, which have plenty of metropolitan facilities), closer to land and sea amenities, you'd assume they'd take more of an interest in the great outdoors. Not sure how realistic this is, but I'd like to see more companies try it.

We have the sea in dublin you know, a whole bay, only a 7 minute cycle from my house! 1000s of young workers don't want to live in these places the way they are now though, it's a bit chicken and egg.

12-07-2019 1:56pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

We have the sea in dublin you know, a whole bay, only a 7 minute cycle from my house!

Not far from my own door either. It is full of actual sh1t, mind you.

Ush1 · 12-07-2019 2:11pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Dublin will always be the most popular site for MNCs relocating here.

What I'm surious about is the relative lack of interest in cities like Cork and Galway (of course, there is some, but it's really, really limited)

It's possible, as you say, to maintain a healthy lifestyle in Dublin. But in theory, if you relocated thousands of young workers to more rural locations (large towns like Athlone, Cork and Galway, which have plenty of metropolitan facilities), closer to land and sea amenities, you'd assume they'd take more of an interest in the great outdoors. Not sure how realistic this is, but I'd like to see more companies try it.

How young are you? Young, international professionals and senior execs are hard to attract to Dublin never mind the likes of Athlone.

Cienciano · 12-07-2019 2:14pm

Ubbquittious wrote: »

I'm sure if they burnt more turf in Dublin there would be less ranting about them

"It's Dublins fault turf is banned, living in their cities and taking facebook and google jobs away from us". :pac:

Cienciano · 12-07-2019 2:18pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't really understand this, especially when it comes to IT.

Why does Facebook need to be located in Dublin, or Bank of America or Citi, or Google?

They sell their wares in the ether. They don't need to be close to the airports, ports or rail infrastructure.

I don't understand why Dublin is such an important location, as opposed to Waterford, Cork or Galway where employees would probably benefit from lower living costs (in effect, a pay rise) and probably healthier, happier lifestyles. Always flummoxed by that.

What about somewere like Athenry?

https://www.thesun.ie/news/2557242/how-apples-athenry-plan-got-pulped-what-did-apple-want-to-build-how-many-people-objected-and-why-and-what-happened-next/

Oh yeah!

12-07-2019 2:23pm

Ush1 wrote: »

How young are you? Young, international professionals and senior execs are hard to attract to Dublin never mind the likes of Athlone.

I'm almost 32, professional but not international.

In my line of work, we've lost plenty of colleagues to cities like Galway and Cork, who are now living in places like Spiddal and Kinsale. Some will have taken a pay cut, but when you factor in the cost of living in those towns, it's a net pay rise.

I know what it's like to live in those towns, so I'm just suggesting that they're far better-off now, and maybe that's something our larger corporations ought to bear in mind.

Cienciano wrote: »

"It's Dublins fault turf is banned, living in their cities and taking facebook and google jobs away from us". :pac:

Can we all just take a moment to remember that we needn't try to be London or Copenhagen?

Rural living, with your own land, is actually part of our social culture -- at least in rural Ireland. We shouldn't apologise for that. We shouldn't be trying to emulate Berlin or Manhattan. We are still allowed to have our own values and our own way of organising ourselves.

12-07-2019 2:28pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Rural living, with your own land, is actually part of our social culture -- at least in rural Ireland. We shouldn't apologise for that. We shouldn't be trying to emulate Berlin or Manhattan. We are still allowed to have our own values and our own way of organising ourselves.

How would rural Ireland be trying to emulate a large metropolis overseas? One can safely assume that "rural" is the antithesis of a concrete jungle.

12-07-2019 2:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

How would rural Ireland be trying to emulate a large metropolis overseas? One can safely assume that "rural" is the antithesis of a concrete jungle.

Not sure if I follow.

My point is that we ought not try to replicate our countryside on Germany's, based on the models employed in places like Germany, or France or Denmark.

We have our own values, our own ways of organising ourselves. We shouldn't want to be Germany. If you want Germany, go to Germany.

Franz Von Peppercorn II · 12-07-2019 2:53pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Dublin will always be the most popular site for MNCs relocating here.

What I'm surious about is the relative lack of interest in cities like Cork and Galway (of course, there is some, but it's really, really limited)

It's possible, as you say, to maintain a healthy lifestyle in Dublin. But in theory, if you relocated thousands of young workers to more rural locations (large towns like Athlone, Cork and Galway, which have plenty of metropolitan facilities), closer to land and sea amenities, you'd assume they'd take more of an interest in the great outdoors. Not sure how realistic this is, but I'd like to see more companies try it.

I mean Dublin is literally on the coast. It’s also got land amenities.

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 8:08am

gozunda wrote: »

Are ye sure about that? Humans produce the same amount of faecal ****e whether stuck up a mountain in Kerry or living in a high rise in Phuket.

I've news for ye - the world is one big 'septic tank'. That said all new builds requiring ' new style treatment systems' (not connected to municipal sewage systems*) must have secondary filters and now incorporate technology to improve the breakdown of waste matter and the quality of effluent. Existing older style septic tanks are inspected for compliance - ours was done a couple of years ago. So yeah we have a lot of crap been flung around here with regard to how urban areas ****e doesn't stink for some strange reason Whatever these areas are - they are not "eco friendly" ...

*the ones discharging untreated sewage directly into water bodies like Cork Harbour etc

It's easier to manage in one place. As is transport and any other service.

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 8:13am

blackbox wrote: »

My parents always called it turf mould, though I never saw it written down to see the spelling.
Even when it came in bags labelled Peat Moss and then Moss Peat they still called it turf mould.

Turf mole where I'm from, which sounds like turf moul' which could be interpreted as turf mould.

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 8:18am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Indeed. The last time I had a day off and was about to go for a swim, there had been a shower of rain and so the Very Competent waste-treatment agency had caused raw sewage to spill into Dublin bay.

The same Very Competent city council insisted that the yellowish-brown scum in Sandycove had nothing to do with faecal matter, it was all just a great coincidence. Yet raw sewage is routinely being pumped into the Irish sea.

People on this side of the country need to get their own house in order before preaching about boglands which they have approximately zero interest in anyway.

We all need to do our bit.

gozunda · 13-07-2019 8:20am

Caroline Obedient Rivalry wrote: »

It's easier to manage in one place. As is transport and any other service.

What is?

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 8:34am

gozunda wrote: »

What is?

Anything. Including human waste.

Also, the current overflow into Dublin bay is due to the weather. When building the system they could have gone to extraordinary expense to cover a once in an x year occurrence or pump the overflow if it came to it. (I'm not an expert but the extraordinary occurrences don't come around often so x is large, like 20+ years.) They went with the latter, sensibly at the time. Now once in x years is much more frequent than it used to be

So the system works, it's the weather that's broken.

Graces7 · 13-07-2019 8:40am

Caroline Obedient Rivalry wrote: »

It's easier to manage in one place. As is transport and any other service.

that does not affect the amount which is what matters!

gozunda · 13-07-2019 9:17am

Caroline Obedient Rivalry wrote: »

Anything. Including human waste. Also, the current overflow into Dublin bay is due to the weather. When building the system they could have gone to extraordinary expense to cover a once in an x year occurrence or pump the overflow if it came to it. (I'm not an expert but the extraordinary occurrences don't come around often so x is large, like 20+ years.) They went with the latter, sensibly at the time. Now once in x years is much more frequent than it used to be So the system works, it's the weather that's broken.

In cities ****e is pipped for miles to a treatment facility. The problem is not necessarily the weather either - much of the sewage infrastructure is old and outdated and can't cope with increased loading from new developments. Ordinary weather events such as rainfall then push the system to overload.

Then there is also the issue of raw sewage being pumped into water bodies without treatment This is happeing all over the country and in involves piped municipal sewage. Huge issue with this in Cork harbour and elsewhere.

Why is partially-treated sewage leaking into Dublin Bay?

Ringsend wastewater treatment plant serves the greater Dublin region and has a notorious reputation for not complying with environmental standards and incidents resulting in discharges into Dublin Bay.

The plant treats approximately 40 per cent of Ireland’s public wastewater but has been operating at over capacity and not in compliance with national and EU environmental regulations for many years.

Built in 2005, the sewage treatment plant is the largest in Ireland. Although it was designed to cater for a population equivalent of 1.64 million people, it currently treats wastewater for the equivalent of 1.9 million.

As a result, the treatment system is constantly overloaded.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/why-is-partially-treated-sewage-leaking-into-dublin-bay-1.3918122

babi-hrse · 13-07-2019 9:27am

Everyone out my way burns it.
There's a bog not far from me so they're all mad for the turf.
I'd burn it occasionally but got oil heating put in. When I bought the house there was nothing but a stove in the kitchen that they shovelled with turf to heat the entire house and water.
The shower was turf powered. Madness.
None of the neibhours have oil heating as they consider it a waste when there's turf around.
In winter the air goes white with the lazily wafting smoke of turf fires starting.
I wouldn't go as far as to outlaw it but I do wish people would start phasing it out as the smoke is unreal.

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 10:14am

Graces7 wrote: »

that does not affect the amount which is what matters!

No. It's how it's managed that matters.

Graces7 · 13-07-2019 10:16am

babi-hrse wrote: »

Everyone out my way burns it.
There's a bog not far from me so they're all mad for the turf.
I'd burn it occasionally but got oil heating put in. When I bought the house there was nothing but a stove in the kitchen that they shovelled with turf to heat the entire house and water.
The shower was turf powered. Madness.
None of the neibhours have oil heating as they consider it a waste when there's turf around.
In winter the air goes white with the lazily wafting smoke of turf fires starting.
I wouldn't go as far as to outlaw it but I do wish people would start phasing it out as the smoke is unreal.

When I lived on a North sea island that was made of peat as they call turf there, an old neighbour followed the trend and got oil heating put in. He went from a mobile old man to a chairbound one as his only real activity had been bringing peat in and keeping the fire alight. Deeply regretted it

My cottage had oil heating etc but I stopped using it in favour of the peat fire. A lorry load straight off the field cost £100 and lasted the whole year and then some .

as here so much wind the smoke dispersed..

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 10:18am

gozunda wrote: »

In cities ****e is pipped for miles to a treatment facility. The problem is not necessarily the weather either - much of the sewage infrastructure is old and outdated and can't cope with increased loading from new developments. Ordinary weather events such as rainfall then push the system to overload.

Then there is also the issue of raw sewage being pumped into water bodies without treatment This is happeing all over the countries and in involves piped municipal sewage. Huge issue with this in Cork harbour and elsewhere.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/why-is-partially-treated-sewage-leaking-into-dublin-bay-1.3918122

No doubt that it should be upgraded to cope with population change. Extraordinary weather events push it, we'd see much more untreated effluent in the bay if it was ordinary weather events. If it is, upgrade the system, fully agree.

It still is better than everyone having their own septic tank

gozunda · 13-07-2019 11:16am

Caroline Obedient Rivalry wrote: »

No doubt that it should be upgraded to cope with population change. Extraordinary weather events push it, we'd see much more untreated effluent in the bay if it was ordinary weather events. If it is, upgrade the system, fully agree.

It still is better than everyone having their own septic tank

The issue with outdated systems has been ongoing for years. Even normal amounts of rainfall now push the current waste systems into overload. I visited one in Dublin years ago and the staff were experience similar problems then.

The septic tank issue is separate. Firstly the old style septic tank systems are being phased out in favour of new managed waste systems with secondary treatment of waste. These provide for improved managing of effluent etc

The other thing is that large areas of the country including towns etc are not serviced by sewage disposal plants - hence the issue of raw sewage being discharged into surface water as a means of municipal sewage disposal.

A well managed septic tank / waste treatment system is a much better option than either a non functioning waste treatment plant or deliberate discharge of sewage.

That said plenty of older septic tank systems need upgrading as well.

d8491prj5boyvg · 13-07-2019 11:33am

gozunda wrote: »

A well managed septic tank / waste treatment system is a much better option than either a non functioning waste treatment plant or deliberate discharge of sewage.

That's an unfair comparison. Something working well is always going to be better than something not working well.

The important point is that a well-managed septic tank is not as good as a well-managed municipal system. (or, if you prefer, a poorly-managed septic tank is not as good as a poorly-managed municipal system).

gozunda · 13-07-2019 11:42am

Caroline Obedient Rivalry wrote: »

That's an unfair comparison. Something working well is always going to be better than something not working well.

The important point is that a well-managed septic tank is not as good as a well-managed municipal system. (or, if you prefer, a poorly-managed septic tank is not as good as a poorly-managed municipal system).

It's not a comparison btw. Neither are desirable - but that said the statement is debatable tbh. The impact of millions of litres of raw untreated sewage being discharged at a point source, on the environment can be devastating. The impact of a poor septic tank while still bad for the immediate environment will be relatively small in comparison.

And the the present situation is that we have many malfunctioning municipal sewage disposal systems. Even if we do 'compare' them with malfunctioning old style septic tanks - the impacts is many times in excess due to volume of discharges involved.

In other areas- there are no secondary or tertiary sewage treatment plants at all. And that's the other point - much of the country is not serviced by municipal sewage treatment plants. That includes some urban areas and towns. Hence the daily discharge of raw sewage.

I'd love to see the government investing in properly working sewage systems for the whole county.

Thst said modern septic waste systems provide secoundary treatment and managed effluent. Plus planning and testing of the site is required to ensure that the system operates optimally.

13-07-2019 12:14pm

cgcsb wrote: »

You realise this is illegal? I'd report you on the spot if I seen you at it. I don't want cancer from you enjoying a book.

What’s illegal? Burning turf of briquettes certainly aren’t so not sure what you are referring to. You really sound like a delightful character :rolleyes:.

Ush1 · 13-07-2019 1:34pm

Graces7 wrote: »

that does not affect the amount which is what matters!

What are you suggesting exactly? Perhaps the old China one child policy?

Cities are the sustainable way for populations to grow. Or should we all have one off houses dotted around the already oversubscribed countryside?

Graces7 · 13-07-2019 2:04pm

Ush1 wrote: »

What are you suggesting exactly? Perhaps the old China one child policy?

Cities are the sustainable way for populations to grow. Or should we all have one off houses dotted around the already oversubscribed countryside?

13-07-2019 2:13pm

Ush1 wrote: »

oversubscribed countryside?

Oversubscribed countryside?

How well do you know the countryside??

To quote the above post:

gozunda · 13-07-2019 4:03pm

Ush1 wrote: »

What are you suggesting exactly? Perhaps the old China one child policy?

Cities are the sustainable way for populations to grow. Or should we all have one off houses dotted around the already oversubscribed countryside?

Cities cant cope with housing people living there at present. How in the name of god could existing urban areas cope with even more people? In Ireland public transport is already at breaking point and infrastructure such as sewage disposal as discussed above is way beyond capacity.

The point is that in rural areas people may for most of these services themselves. We also need a viable rural population in order that people can continue to work and live in the countryside. schools need critical numbers to be viable. No idea where this idea that everyone needs to live in urban ghettos comes from tbh.

Are you still using turf?

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